Low Carb Dieting - Induction Phase
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MoiAussi93 wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »You don't JUST lose water on low carb diets. You lose just as much fat as you would on any other diet. In fact, people with insulin resistance, PCOS or certain other issues might find it much easier to lose eating low carb. Also, ketogenic diets have an advantage in terms of body composition since they help prevent muscle loss.
But regardless, even if you do eventually reintroduce higher levels of carb...you might gain back the water weight (just a few pounds!!!) but all the fat will NOT come back. Also, the "and some more" in your reply is just plain wrong.
Ah blanket statements about IR and PCOS, which I happen to have (IR because of PCOS) .. I've lost just fine sticking to nothing more than a caloric deficit, thanks. Doing such a diet would be to help balance a MEDICAL condition, in conjunction with medication, to further assist with controlling the condition. It's also usually monitored by a medical professional such as an endocrinologist along the way. It's not the same thing as "I want to go low carb for a few weeks because I think it's going to 'kickstart' my weight loss".
The point is that this person is not as well versed as she would like to think she is, and to jump into a diet that isn't really intended to be a short-term quick fix is fairly irresponsible. One would imagine as a proponent of low carbing you would prefer that people fully understand what they are doing, not flippantly say "I don't know if it's even going to work".
Relax! Many people with insulin resistance, whether from PCOS or not, do find it easier to lose with low carb. This is hardly a controversial statement, Please note that I said "might" find it easier in my post, so there was no "blanket statement" made. I never said you "must". So please stop being overly sensitive and twisting what was said.
Also, many people without any medical condition prefer low carb...including me. I don't do it to "balance a medical condition". I do it because I just feel better eating this way and it eliminates all cravings.
Also, there is no need for medical supervision on a low carb diet. Obviously, people with specific medical conditions will be regularly seeing a doctor, but because of the condition...not because of the diet.
Finally, there is nothing "irresponsible" about testing out a new way of eating, especially considering that there is nothing harmful in that way of eating. Nobody knows if any eating style will really suit them until they try it. Maybe she won't like low carb, maybe she will. But she won't know until she tries.
The same can be said for somebody trying to eat low fat, or giving up meat, or cutting out added sugar, or experimenting with three large meals a day vs 5 small meals. Give it a try and you will know soon enough if it is for you or not.
Dietary needs are not just a "let's throw things at the wall and see what sticks". My youngest daughter recently decided to go vegetarian (lacto-ovo) for ethical reasons, and I spent days researching her nutritional needs in terms of protein intake and iron absorption. She's 8 years old and still growing, so it's extremely important that she eat properly. It's important for everyone, and nonchalant attitudes and not understanding what you are doing to your body on a rather basic level is irresponsible - a lesson I learned a little too late myself.0 -
PrizePopple wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »You don't JUST lose water on low carb diets. You lose just as much fat as you would on any other diet. In fact, people with insulin resistance, PCOS or certain other issues might find it much easier to lose eating low carb. Also, ketogenic diets have an advantage in terms of body composition since they help prevent muscle loss.
But regardless, even if you do eventually reintroduce higher levels of carb...you might gain back the water weight (just a few pounds!!!) but all the fat will NOT come back. Also, the "and some more" in your reply is just plain wrong.
Ah blanket statements about IR and PCOS, which I happen to have (IR because of PCOS) .. I've lost just fine sticking to nothing more than a caloric deficit, thanks. Doing such a diet would be to help balance a MEDICAL condition, in conjunction with medication, to further assist with controlling the condition. It's also usually monitored by a medical professional such as an endocrinologist along the way. It's not the same thing as "I want to go low carb for a few weeks because I think it's going to 'kickstart' my weight loss".
The point is that this person is not as well versed as she would like to think she is, and to jump into a diet that isn't really intended to be a short-term quick fix is fairly irresponsible. One would imagine as a proponent of low carbing you would prefer that people fully understand what they are doing, not flippantly say "I don't know if it's even going to work".
Relax! Many people with insulin resistance, whether from PCOS or not, do find it easier to lose with low carb. This is hardly a controversial statement, Please note that I said "might" find it easier in my post, so there was no "blanket statement" made. I never said you "must". So please stop being overly sensitive and twisting what was said.
Also, many people without any medical condition prefer low carb...including me. I don't do it to "balance a medical condition". I do it because I just feel better eating this way and it eliminates all cravings.
Also, there is no need for medical supervision on a low carb diet. Obviously, people with specific medical conditions will be regularly seeing a doctor, but because of the condition...not because of the diet.
Finally, there is nothing "irresponsible" about testing out a new way of eating, especially considering that there is nothing harmful in that way of eating. Nobody knows if any eating style will really suit them until they try it. Maybe she won't like low carb, maybe she will. But she won't know until she tries.
The same can be said for somebody trying to eat low fat, or giving up meat, or cutting out added sugar, or experimenting with three large meals a day vs 5 small meals. Give it a try and you will know soon enough if it is for you or not.
Dietary needs are not just a "let's throw things at the wall and see what sticks". My youngest daughter recently decided to go vegetarian (lacto-ovo) for ethical reasons, and I spent days researching her nutritional needs in terms of protein intake and iron absorption. She's 8 years old and still growing, so it's extremely important that she eat properly. It's important for everyone, and nonchalant attitudes and not understanding what you are doing to your body on a rather basic level is irresponsible - a lesson I learned a little too late myself.
Considering that humans are able to live without eating any carbs at all, there is no harm in a low carb diet. Reducing...but not even eliminating since she is doing LOW carb, not NO carb...something that is not even necessary for survival to a lower level is not irresponsible.0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
Because it is LOW carb, not NO carb.
I am not suggesting that it's weird to think you can eat non starchy vegetables when low carbing. (You should have read enough of my posts to know that.)
I'm saying it's weird to claim that eating more vegetables is a positive point of a low carb diet. I'd have to reduce my vegetable consumption most days to get to the kinds of net carb numbers that are often tossed around by these same people (20 or 30 net grams of carbs). If the goal is to increase vegetables, there's zero reason to low carb. Just eat more vegetables.
(When this came up another time I counted my vegetables from a pretty average day and had 35. That assumes NO other carbs and also suggests that I would have to worry about my choice of non starchy vegetables and count them carefully. When in fact I think it would be better to increase my vegetables even more.)0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
Because it is LOW carb, not NO carb. Green veggies are very low carb, especially if you count net carbs. People doing low carb don't eat many STARCHY veggies, like potato, corn, peas, etc. But broccoli, all kinds of leafy salad greens, peppers, cucumbers, etc...all very low carb. You can eat plenty of them and still stay in keto.
I had two servings of broccoli, one serving of bell peppers, and one serving of Brussels sprouts with dinner tonight, and that TOTALED 11 grams of net carbs. You can easily eat plenty of veggies even in Keto...if you aren't aiming for keto but just doing more general low carb and keeping carbs under 100 or under 150, you can stuff yourself with green veggies and still easily hit those goals.
I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
I believe you are misunderstanding what lemurcat was saying to begin with. She's saying that people tend to think, for some reason, that vegetables are a benefit of eating low carb, and that they are a part of low carb eating to begin with.
When the truth is each is a stand alone way of eating. Many vegetables contain enough carbs that they are excluded from low carb diets. If people enjoy eating vegetables and want to eat them as a part of eating a low-calorie diet, it's not necessary to include low carb as a part of that. It confuses things even further, in fact, because of the added problem of worrying which vegetables are okay as part of a low carb diet and which aren't.
I've never seen a low carb eater claim eating vegetables is exclusive to low carb diets. Perhaps that's why her post was confusing to me.
Check out this very thread and you will see an example. Many people claim they eat better on a low carb diet because they are eating more vegetables or vegetables for the first time. That might be so, but it's not because they are on a low carb diet, it's because they were making poor choices before.
So often people blame "carbs" for their weight gain when if you look at what they were eating it mostly wasn't fruit and beans and vegetables or even whole grains. It was baked goods or highly processed treats. But then they get on a high horse and preach about "carbs" in general being bad for us and others get scared of eating fruit. Fabulous.0 -
Green veggies aren't low carb, they're low cal. Percentage wise most of the calories in veggies do in fact come from carbs. Hence why it's weird people write how they suddenly start eating things that are made mostly out of carbs after going low carb. And it's not like there's no room for veggies in a balanced diet, that's just sillly, you don't have to stop eating half a dozen food groups in order to fit in some veggies. I'm with Lemurcat here. They were just eating suboptimally before they went low carb.MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
Because it is LOW carb, not NO carb. Green veggies are very low carb, especially if you count net carbs. People doing low carb don't eat many STARCHY veggies, like potato, corn, peas, etc. But broccoli, all kinds of leafy salad greens, peppers, cucumbers, etc...all very low carb. You can eat plenty of them and still stay in keto.
I had two servings of broccoli, one serving of bell peppers, and one serving of Brussels sprouts with dinner tonight, and that TOTALED 11 grams of net carbs. You can easily eat plenty of veggies even in Keto...if you aren't aiming for keto but just doing more general low carb and keeping carbs under 100 or under 150, you can stuff yourself with green veggies and still easily hit those goals.
I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
I believe you are misunderstanding what lemurcat was saying to begin with. She's saying that people tend to think, for some reason, that vegetables are a benefit of eating low carb, and that they are a part of low carb eating to begin with.
When the truth is each is a stand alone way of eating. Many vegetables contain enough carbs that they are excluded from low carb diets. If people enjoy eating vegetables and want to eat them as a part of eating a low-calorie diet, it's not necessary to include low carb as a part of that. It confuses things even further, in fact, because of the added problem of worrying which vegetables are okay as part of a low carb diet and which aren't.
I've never seen a low carb eater claim eating vegetables is exclusive to low carb diets. Perhaps that's why her post was confusing to me.
And low carb eaters don't "worry" about which vegetables are okay. Anybody eating this way already knows...and if they don't it is extremely easy to find out. What you wrote is the equivalent of saying the added problem of knowing the calorie and macro content of everything you eat makes IIFYM confusing.
I've seen a few posts before where someone going low carb says they're eating much more veggies than before. It's weird.
Why is it weird? In my case, I stopped eating added sugar, bread, pasta, highly processed foods...that leaves a lot more room for other foods. And green veggies are one of the low carb options.0 -
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I'm in Atkens diet now .. The old classic one without the bars and there stuff .. It's easy to do only carving for carbs in the first week
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lemurcat12 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
Because it is LOW carb, not NO carb. Green veggies are very low carb, especially if you count net carbs. People doing low carb don't eat many STARCHY veggies, like potato, corn, peas, etc. But broccoli, all kinds of leafy salad greens, peppers, cucumbers, etc...all very low carb. You can eat plenty of them and still stay in keto.
I had two servings of broccoli, one serving of bell peppers, and one serving of Brussels sprouts with dinner tonight, and that TOTALED 11 grams of net carbs. You can easily eat plenty of veggies even in Keto...if you aren't aiming for keto but just doing more general low carb and keeping carbs under 100 or under 150, you can stuff yourself with green veggies and still easily hit those goals.
I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
I believe you are misunderstanding what lemurcat was saying to begin with. She's saying that people tend to think, for some reason, that vegetables are a benefit of eating low carb, and that they are a part of low carb eating to begin with.
When the truth is each is a stand alone way of eating. Many vegetables contain enough carbs that they are excluded from low carb diets. If people enjoy eating vegetables and want to eat them as a part of eating a low-calorie diet, it's not necessary to include low carb as a part of that. It confuses things even further, in fact, because of the added problem of worrying which vegetables are okay as part of a low carb diet and which aren't.
I've never seen a low carb eater claim eating vegetables is exclusive to low carb diets. Perhaps that's why her post was confusing to me.
Check out this very thread and you will see an example. Many people claim they eat better on a low carb diet because they are eating more vegetables or vegetables for the first time. That might be so, but it's not because they are on a low carb diet, it's because they were making poor choices before.
So often people blame "carbs" for their weight gain when if you look at what they were eating it mostly wasn't fruit and beans and vegetables or even whole grains. It was baked goods or highly processed treats. But then they get on a high horse and preach about "carbs" in general being bad for us and others get scared of eating fruit. Fabulous.
And that might very well be true for them. I eat better on low carb partially because I am eating many more vegetables than I used to. But, I am not claiming you must eat low carb to do that. I repeat what I wrote above...I just don't see people claiming that you MUST eat low carb in order to eat more veggies.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Green veggies aren't low carb, they're low cal. Percentage wise most of the calories in veggies do in fact come from carbs. Hence why it's weird people write how they suddenly start eating things that are made mostly out of carbs after going low carb. And it's not like there's no room for veggies in a balanced diet, that's just sillly, you don't have to stop eating half a dozen food groups in order to fit in some veggies. I'm with Lemurcat here. They were just eating suboptimally before they went low carb.
More often than not, that is the major issue. Instead of taking a few small leaps, people make huge sweeping changes and then correlate one factor based on the discussion. Its great that people find a solution to achieve a particular goal.
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stevencloser wrote: »
Green veggies aren't low carb, they're low cal. Percentage wise most of the calories in veggies do in fact come from carbs. Hence why it's weird people write how they suddenly start eating things that are made mostly out of carbs after going low carb. And it's not like there's no room for veggies in a balanced diet, that's just sillly, you don't have to stop eating half a dozen food groups in order to fit in some veggies. I'm with Lemurcat here. They were just eating suboptimally before they went low carb.MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
Because it is LOW carb, not NO carb. Green veggies are very low carb, especially if you count net carbs. People doing low carb don't eat many STARCHY veggies, like potato, corn, peas, etc. But broccoli, all kinds of leafy salad greens, peppers, cucumbers, etc...all very low carb. You can eat plenty of them and still stay in keto.
I had two servings of broccoli, one serving of bell peppers, and one serving of Brussels sprouts with dinner tonight, and that TOTALED 11 grams of net carbs. You can easily eat plenty of veggies even in Keto...if you aren't aiming for keto but just doing more general low carb and keeping carbs under 100 or under 150, you can stuff yourself with green veggies and still easily hit those goals.
I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
I believe you are misunderstanding what lemurcat was saying to begin with. She's saying that people tend to think, for some reason, that vegetables are a benefit of eating low carb, and that they are a part of low carb eating to begin with.
When the truth is each is a stand alone way of eating. Many vegetables contain enough carbs that they are excluded from low carb diets. If people enjoy eating vegetables and want to eat them as a part of eating a low-calorie diet, it's not necessary to include low carb as a part of that. It confuses things even further, in fact, because of the added problem of worrying which vegetables are okay as part of a low carb diet and which aren't.
I've never seen a low carb eater claim eating vegetables is exclusive to low carb diets. Perhaps that's why her post was confusing to me.
And low carb eaters don't "worry" about which vegetables are okay. Anybody eating this way already knows...and if they don't it is extremely easy to find out. What you wrote is the equivalent of saying the added problem of knowing the calorie and macro content of everything you eat makes IIFYM confusing.
I've seen a few posts before where someone going low carb says they're eating much more veggies than before. It's weird.
Why is it weird? In my case, I stopped eating added sugar, bread, pasta, highly processed foods...that leaves a lot more room for other foods. And green veggies are one of the low carb options.
Please tell me who said there is no room for veggies in a balanced diet. I certainly never did, so do not try to be cute and deliberately misinterpret what I wrote. When I was obese I chose to eat junk over more veggies. Yes, that is certainly suboptimal. Could I have also eaten more veggies without eliminating anything? Was there "room"? Maybe, if I wanted to literally eat until sick I'm sure I could have shoved some more veggies down my throat on top of all the junk I was already eating. ...but since I was never so out of control that I ate until I threw up I didn't choose to do that.
When I cut out the crappy high carb highly processed food and was ready to focus on health I still needed to fuel my body. Now...making good choices...I do eat more veggies than I ever did before.0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
Green veggies aren't low carb, they're low cal. Percentage wise most of the calories in veggies do in fact come from carbs. Hence why it's weird people write how they suddenly start eating things that are made mostly out of carbs after going low carb. And it's not like there's no room for veggies in a balanced diet, that's just sillly, you don't have to stop eating half a dozen food groups in order to fit in some veggies. I'm with Lemurcat here. They were just eating suboptimally before they went low carb.MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
Because it is LOW carb, not NO carb. Green veggies are very low carb, especially if you count net carbs. People doing low carb don't eat many STARCHY veggies, like potato, corn, peas, etc. But broccoli, all kinds of leafy salad greens, peppers, cucumbers, etc...all very low carb. You can eat plenty of them and still stay in keto.
I had two servings of broccoli, one serving of bell peppers, and one serving of Brussels sprouts with dinner tonight, and that TOTALED 11 grams of net carbs. You can easily eat plenty of veggies even in Keto...if you aren't aiming for keto but just doing more general low carb and keeping carbs under 100 or under 150, you can stuff yourself with green veggies and still easily hit those goals.
I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
I believe you are misunderstanding what lemurcat was saying to begin with. She's saying that people tend to think, for some reason, that vegetables are a benefit of eating low carb, and that they are a part of low carb eating to begin with.
When the truth is each is a stand alone way of eating. Many vegetables contain enough carbs that they are excluded from low carb diets. If people enjoy eating vegetables and want to eat them as a part of eating a low-calorie diet, it's not necessary to include low carb as a part of that. It confuses things even further, in fact, because of the added problem of worrying which vegetables are okay as part of a low carb diet and which aren't.
I've never seen a low carb eater claim eating vegetables is exclusive to low carb diets. Perhaps that's why her post was confusing to me.
And low carb eaters don't "worry" about which vegetables are okay. Anybody eating this way already knows...and if they don't it is extremely easy to find out. What you wrote is the equivalent of saying the added problem of knowing the calorie and macro content of everything you eat makes IIFYM confusing.
I've seen a few posts before where someone going low carb says they're eating much more veggies than before. It's weird.
Why is it weird? In my case, I stopped eating added sugar, bread, pasta, highly processed foods...that leaves a lot more room for other foods. And green veggies are one of the low carb options.
Please tell me who said there is no room for veggies in a balanced diet. I certainly never did, so do not try to be cute and deliberately misinterpret what I wrote. When I was obese I chose to eat junk over more veggies. Yes, that is certainly suboptimal. Could I have also eaten more veggies without eliminating anything? Was there "room"? Maybe, if I wanted to literally eat until sick I'm sure I could have shoved some more veggies down my throat on top of all the junk I was already eating. ...but since I was never so out of control that I ate until I threw up I didn't choose to do that.
When I cut out the crappy high carb highly processed food and was ready to focus on health I still needed to fuel my body. Now...making good choices...I do eat more veggies than I ever did before.
And you could have chosen to eat less of these things and have room for veggies, just like you're now choosing to have veggies (high in carbs percentage wise) instead of more fat.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »
Green veggies aren't low carb, they're low cal. Percentage wise most of the calories in veggies do in fact come from carbs. Hence why it's weird people write how they suddenly start eating things that are made mostly out of carbs after going low carb.MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
Because it is LOW carb, not NO carb. Green veggies are very low carb, especially if you count net carbs. People doing low carb don't eat many STARCHY veggies, like potato, corn, peas, etc. But broccoli, all kinds of leafy salad greens, peppers, cucumbers, etc...all very low carb. You can eat plenty of them and still stay in keto.
I had two servings of broccoli, one serving of bell peppers, and one serving of Brussels sprouts with dinner tonight, and that TOTALED 11 grams of net carbs. You can easily eat plenty of veggies even in Keto...if you aren't aiming for keto but just doing more general low carb and keeping carbs under 100 or under 150, you can stuff yourself with green veggies and still easily hit those goals.
I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
I believe you are misunderstanding what lemurcat was saying to begin with. She's saying that people tend to think, for some reason, that vegetables are a benefit of eating low carb, and that they are a part of low carb eating to begin with.
When the truth is each is a stand alone way of eating. Many vegetables contain enough carbs that they are excluded from low carb diets. If people enjoy eating vegetables and want to eat them as a part of eating a low-calorie diet, it's not necessary to include low carb as a part of that. It confuses things even further, in fact, because of the added problem of worrying which vegetables are okay as part of a low carb diet and which aren't.
I've never seen a low carb eater claim eating vegetables is exclusive to low carb diets. Perhaps that's why her post was confusing to me.
And low carb eaters don't "worry" about which vegetables are okay. Anybody eating this way already knows...and if they don't it is extremely easy to find out. What you wrote is the equivalent of saying the added problem of knowing the calorie and macro content of everything you eat makes IIFYM confusing.
I've seen a few posts before where someone going low carb says they're eating much more veggies than before. It's weird.
Why is it weird? In my case, I stopped eating added sugar, bread, pasta, highly processed foods...that leaves a lot more room for other foods. And green veggies are one of the low carb options.
Green veggies are low carb. People who are deliberately trying to eat low carb typically have a specific carb number in mind. It's not simply percentages. Absolutes matter. Exmple:
The two cups of broccoli I had with dinner last night had 50 calories...it also had 4 grams of protein, 4 grams of fiber and only 4 grams of net carbs. 4 grams of net carbs in two cups of food is low carb.
Compare that 4 grams to the number of carbs in two cups of diced potato...which would be about 180 grams of net carbs and 232 calories.
Hmmm...4 vs 180. Both are veggies, but 4 is low carb and 180 is certainly not. Frankly, I don't care how the percentages work out...broccoli is low carb.
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MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
Green veggies aren't low carb, they're low cal. Percentage wise most of the calories in veggies do in fact come from carbs. Hence why it's weird people write how they suddenly start eating things that are made mostly out of carbs after going low carb.MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
Because it is LOW carb, not NO carb. Green veggies are very low carb, especially if you count net carbs. People doing low carb don't eat many STARCHY veggies, like potato, corn, peas, etc. But broccoli, all kinds of leafy salad greens, peppers, cucumbers, etc...all very low carb. You can eat plenty of them and still stay in keto.
I had two servings of broccoli, one serving of bell peppers, and one serving of Brussels sprouts with dinner tonight, and that TOTALED 11 grams of net carbs. You can easily eat plenty of veggies even in Keto...if you aren't aiming for keto but just doing more general low carb and keeping carbs under 100 or under 150, you can stuff yourself with green veggies and still easily hit those goals.
I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
I believe you are misunderstanding what lemurcat was saying to begin with. She's saying that people tend to think, for some reason, that vegetables are a benefit of eating low carb, and that they are a part of low carb eating to begin with.
When the truth is each is a stand alone way of eating. Many vegetables contain enough carbs that they are excluded from low carb diets. If people enjoy eating vegetables and want to eat them as a part of eating a low-calorie diet, it's not necessary to include low carb as a part of that. It confuses things even further, in fact, because of the added problem of worrying which vegetables are okay as part of a low carb diet and which aren't.
I've never seen a low carb eater claim eating vegetables is exclusive to low carb diets. Perhaps that's why her post was confusing to me.
And low carb eaters don't "worry" about which vegetables are okay. Anybody eating this way already knows...and if they don't it is extremely easy to find out. What you wrote is the equivalent of saying the added problem of knowing the calorie and macro content of everything you eat makes IIFYM confusing.
I've seen a few posts before where someone going low carb says they're eating much more veggies than before. It's weird.
Why is it weird? In my case, I stopped eating added sugar, bread, pasta, highly processed foods...that leaves a lot more room for other foods. And green veggies are one of the low carb options.
Green veggies are low carb. People who are deliberately trying to eat low carb typically have a specific carb number in mind. It's not simply percentages. Absolutes matter. Exmple:
The two cups of broccoli I had with dinner last night had 50 calories...it also had 4 grams of protein, 4 grams of fiber and only 4 grams of net carbs. 4 grams of net carbs in two cups of food is low carb.
Compare that 4 grams to the number of carbs in two cups of diced potato...which would be about 180 grams of net carbs and 232 calories.
Hmmm...4 vs 180. Both are veggies, but 4 is low carb and 180 is certainly not. Frankly, I don't care how the percentages work out...broccoli is low carb.
If absolutes matter then everything is low carb as long as you eat little enough of it.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
Green veggies aren't low carb, they're low cal. Percentage wise most of the calories in veggies do in fact come from carbs. Hence why it's weird people write how they suddenly start eating things that are made mostly out of carbs after going low carb. And it's not like there's no room for veggies in a balanced diet, that's just sillly, you don't have to stop eating half a dozen food groups in order to fit in some veggies. I'm with Lemurcat here. They were just eating suboptimally before they went low carb.MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
Because it is LOW carb, not NO carb. Green veggies are very low carb, especially if you count net carbs. People doing low carb don't eat many STARCHY veggies, like potato, corn, peas, etc. But broccoli, all kinds of leafy salad greens, peppers, cucumbers, etc...all very low carb. You can eat plenty of them and still stay in keto.
I had two servings of broccoli, one serving of bell peppers, and one serving of Brussels sprouts with dinner tonight, and that TOTALED 11 grams of net carbs. You can easily eat plenty of veggies even in Keto...if you aren't aiming for keto but just doing more general low carb and keeping carbs under 100 or under 150, you can stuff yourself with green veggies and still easily hit those goals.
I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
I believe you are misunderstanding what lemurcat was saying to begin with. She's saying that people tend to think, for some reason, that vegetables are a benefit of eating low carb, and that they are a part of low carb eating to begin with.
When the truth is each is a stand alone way of eating. Many vegetables contain enough carbs that they are excluded from low carb diets. If people enjoy eating vegetables and want to eat them as a part of eating a low-calorie diet, it's not necessary to include low carb as a part of that. It confuses things even further, in fact, because of the added problem of worrying which vegetables are okay as part of a low carb diet and which aren't.
I've never seen a low carb eater claim eating vegetables is exclusive to low carb diets. Perhaps that's why her post was confusing to me.
And low carb eaters don't "worry" about which vegetables are okay. Anybody eating this way already knows...and if they don't it is extremely easy to find out. What you wrote is the equivalent of saying the added problem of knowing the calorie and macro content of everything you eat makes IIFYM confusing.
I've seen a few posts before where someone going low carb says they're eating much more veggies than before. It's weird.
Why is it weird? In my case, I stopped eating added sugar, bread, pasta, highly processed foods...that leaves a lot more room for other foods. And green veggies are one of the low carb options.
Please tell me who said there is no room for veggies in a balanced diet. I certainly never did, so do not try to be cute and deliberately misinterpret what I wrote. When I was obese I chose to eat junk over more veggies. Yes, that is certainly suboptimal. Could I have also eaten more veggies without eliminating anything? Was there "room"? Maybe, if I wanted to literally eat until sick I'm sure I could have shoved some more veggies down my throat on top of all the junk I was already eating. ...but since I was never so out of control that I ate until I threw up I didn't choose to do that.
When I cut out the crappy high carb highly processed food and was ready to focus on health I still needed to fuel my body. Now...making good choices...I do eat more veggies than I ever did before.
And you could have chosen to eat less of these things and have room for veggies, just like you're now choosing to have veggies (high in carbs percentage wise) instead of more fat.
Yes, so what is your point exactly? I said above I chose to eat what I did. And then I chose to eat differently. I NEVER said you MUST eat low carb to eat a lot of veggies. I said I eat many more veggies now that I eat low carb. Two very different statements.
Oh, and btw, the amount of fat I eat now as a percentage of my total calories is much HIGHER now than it was when I was obese. When obese, I was eating lots of every macro...but carbs CLEARLY dominated my diet...well over half of calories.
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ajmurray1234 wrote: »Hello,
I have decided to do something that to most people is not a good idea, but perhaps to others is just fine. For two weeks I am going to restrict my net carbs to 20 grams per day as prescribed in low carb diets such as Atkins.
I have to admit I have been really intrigued by the philosophy that your body will turn to stored fat for energy when the presence of carbs is low.
I have done my due diligence by researching the good and bad of this diet, read up on tips, etc; and will move forward in doing this.
I'll try to keep my results posted per week.
SW: 172
GW: 130
Cheers
Andrea
Low carbing did help me lose a lot of weight, I love it and it helps my body feel good.
Can you update on your progress thus far?
I've lost 5lbs since posting this thread. I know it's water, but I am very motivated.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
Green veggies aren't low carb, they're low cal. Percentage wise most of the calories in veggies do in fact come from carbs. Hence why it's weird people write how they suddenly start eating things that are made mostly out of carbs after going low carb.MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
Because it is LOW carb, not NO carb. Green veggies are very low carb, especially if you count net carbs. People doing low carb don't eat many STARCHY veggies, like potato, corn, peas, etc. But broccoli, all kinds of leafy salad greens, peppers, cucumbers, etc...all very low carb. You can eat plenty of them and still stay in keto.
I had two servings of broccoli, one serving of bell peppers, and one serving of Brussels sprouts with dinner tonight, and that TOTALED 11 grams of net carbs. You can easily eat plenty of veggies even in Keto...if you aren't aiming for keto but just doing more general low carb and keeping carbs under 100 or under 150, you can stuff yourself with green veggies and still easily hit those goals.
I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
I believe you are misunderstanding what lemurcat was saying to begin with. She's saying that people tend to think, for some reason, that vegetables are a benefit of eating low carb, and that they are a part of low carb eating to begin with.
When the truth is each is a stand alone way of eating. Many vegetables contain enough carbs that they are excluded from low carb diets. If people enjoy eating vegetables and want to eat them as a part of eating a low-calorie diet, it's not necessary to include low carb as a part of that. It confuses things even further, in fact, because of the added problem of worrying which vegetables are okay as part of a low carb diet and which aren't.
I've never seen a low carb eater claim eating vegetables is exclusive to low carb diets. Perhaps that's why her post was confusing to me.
And low carb eaters don't "worry" about which vegetables are okay. Anybody eating this way already knows...and if they don't it is extremely easy to find out. What you wrote is the equivalent of saying the added problem of knowing the calorie and macro content of everything you eat makes IIFYM confusing.
I've seen a few posts before where someone going low carb says they're eating much more veggies than before. It's weird.
Why is it weird? In my case, I stopped eating added sugar, bread, pasta, highly processed foods...that leaves a lot more room for other foods. And green veggies are one of the low carb options.
Green veggies are low carb. People who are deliberately trying to eat low carb typically have a specific carb number in mind. It's not simply percentages. Absolutes matter. Exmple:
The two cups of broccoli I had with dinner last night had 50 calories...it also had 4 grams of protein, 4 grams of fiber and only 4 grams of net carbs. 4 grams of net carbs in two cups of food is low carb.
Compare that 4 grams to the number of carbs in two cups of diced potato...which would be about 180 grams of net carbs and 232 calories.
Hmmm...4 vs 180. Both are veggies, but 4 is low carb and 180 is certainly not. Frankly, I don't care how the percentages work out...broccoli is low carb.
If absolutes matter then everything is low carb as long as you eat little enough of it.
So you don't believe absolutes matter? I thought that was the whole point behind CICO? Are you actually saying absolutes are irrelevant? I am shocked.0 -
ajmurray1234 wrote: »Hello,
I have decided to do something that to most people is not a good idea, but perhaps to others is just fine. For two weeks I am going to restrict my net carbs to 20 grams per day as prescribed in low carb diets such as Atkins.
I have to admit I have been really intrigued by the philosophy that your body will turn to stored fat for energy when the presence of carbs is low.
I have done my due diligence by researching the good and bad of this diet, read up on tips, etc; and will move forward in doing this.
I'll try to keep my results posted per week.
SW: 172
GW: 130
Cheers
Andrea
Low carbing did help me lose a lot of weight, I love it and it helps my body feel good.
Can you update on your progress thus far?
Can she update her progress thus far? Since Sunday??? For reals?
5lbs, lost. Water weight, I know, but still exciting
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MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
Green veggies aren't low carb, they're low cal. Percentage wise most of the calories in veggies do in fact come from carbs. Hence why it's weird people write how they suddenly start eating things that are made mostly out of carbs after going low carb.MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
Because it is LOW carb, not NO carb. Green veggies are very low carb, especially if you count net carbs. People doing low carb don't eat many STARCHY veggies, like potato, corn, peas, etc. But broccoli, all kinds of leafy salad greens, peppers, cucumbers, etc...all very low carb. You can eat plenty of them and still stay in keto.
I had two servings of broccoli, one serving of bell peppers, and one serving of Brussels sprouts with dinner tonight, and that TOTALED 11 grams of net carbs. You can easily eat plenty of veggies even in Keto...if you aren't aiming for keto but just doing more general low carb and keeping carbs under 100 or under 150, you can stuff yourself with green veggies and still easily hit those goals.
I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
I believe you are misunderstanding what lemurcat was saying to begin with. She's saying that people tend to think, for some reason, that vegetables are a benefit of eating low carb, and that they are a part of low carb eating to begin with.
When the truth is each is a stand alone way of eating. Many vegetables contain enough carbs that they are excluded from low carb diets. If people enjoy eating vegetables and want to eat them as a part of eating a low-calorie diet, it's not necessary to include low carb as a part of that. It confuses things even further, in fact, because of the added problem of worrying which vegetables are okay as part of a low carb diet and which aren't.
I've never seen a low carb eater claim eating vegetables is exclusive to low carb diets. Perhaps that's why her post was confusing to me.
And low carb eaters don't "worry" about which vegetables are okay. Anybody eating this way already knows...and if they don't it is extremely easy to find out. What you wrote is the equivalent of saying the added problem of knowing the calorie and macro content of everything you eat makes IIFYM confusing.
I've seen a few posts before where someone going low carb says they're eating much more veggies than before. It's weird.
Why is it weird? In my case, I stopped eating added sugar, bread, pasta, highly processed foods...that leaves a lot more room for other foods. And green veggies are one of the low carb options.
Green veggies are low carb. People who are deliberately trying to eat low carb typically have a specific carb number in mind. It's not simply percentages. Absolutes matter. Exmple:
The two cups of broccoli I had with dinner last night had 50 calories...it also had 4 grams of protein, 4 grams of fiber and only 4 grams of net carbs. 4 grams of net carbs in two cups of food is low carb.
Compare that 4 grams to the number of carbs in two cups of diced potato...which would be about 180 grams of net carbs and 232 calories.
Hmmm...4 vs 180. Both are veggies, but 4 is low carb and 180 is certainly not. Frankly, I don't care how the percentages work out...broccoli is low carb.
If absolutes matter then everything is low carb as long as you eat little enough of it.
So you don't believe absolutes matter? I thought that was the whole point behind CICO? Are you actually saying absolutes are irrelevant? I am shocked.
I'm saying if you're saying only the absolute numbers matter if something is low carb, then even coke is low carb as long as I have little enough of it.0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »I NEVER said you MUST eat low carb to eat a lot of veggies. I said I eat many more veggies now that I eat low carb. Two very different statements.
The latter still suggests a casual connection -- I eat more veggies BECAUSE I eat low carb.
The truth is that people who eat more veggies do so because they choose to eat more veggies. I ate lots of vegetables (compared with the average American, at least) when I was eating too many calories, and I eat more now, without eating at a particularly different carb percentage (I cut carbs and fat to decrease calories).
I changed the source of vegetables in some cases -- I used to eat lots of vegetarian dishes in the form of Indian take out. These often included lots of non-starchy vegetables along with lots of fat and carbs. Now I eat less of that.
Point is that people who claim a low carb diet has more vegetables in general or will result in increasing vegetables vs. what others do are simply wrong. It's good to increase vegetables (for most people), but that's not a reason to do low carb.
(Again, I'm not saying there aren't reasons to do low carb, but if you ate few vegetables before low carbing that was because you were eating a poor diet, not because your carb percentage was too high.)0 -
I have done it and it works. Just know that with this weight loss plan you will have to eat low carb for the rest of your life or you will gain the weight back plus more!!! Some people are able to eat this way for life. You may be one of them. I wasn't. I lost 40 lbs in about 2 months and gained 70 back over a year once I started eating high carb again. You have to find out what works for you. Don't let anyone discourage you. On the other hand I have a friend that loss about 70lbs in 10 months on LCD and has kept it off for 3 years so it is working for her. She enjoys the Low carb lifestyle. Good Luck to you0
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stevencloser wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
Green veggies aren't low carb, they're low cal. Percentage wise most of the calories in veggies do in fact come from carbs. Hence why it's weird people write how they suddenly start eating things that are made mostly out of carbs after going low carb.MoiAussi93 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
Because it is LOW carb, not NO carb. Green veggies are very low carb, especially if you count net carbs. People doing low carb don't eat many STARCHY veggies, like potato, corn, peas, etc. But broccoli, all kinds of leafy salad greens, peppers, cucumbers, etc...all very low carb. You can eat plenty of them and still stay in keto.
I had two servings of broccoli, one serving of bell peppers, and one serving of Brussels sprouts with dinner tonight, and that TOTALED 11 grams of net carbs. You can easily eat plenty of veggies even in Keto...if you aren't aiming for keto but just doing more general low carb and keeping carbs under 100 or under 150, you can stuff yourself with green veggies and still easily hit those goals.
I love veggies too. Since they are carbs, I've never understood why some seem to think they are a benefit of a low carb diet. You can eat lots of veggies without going low carb -- in fact, mine put me over the net carb limit that some seem to think is ideal for keto.
That said, low carb may be a great choice for some for other reasons.
I believe you are misunderstanding what lemurcat was saying to begin with. She's saying that people tend to think, for some reason, that vegetables are a benefit of eating low carb, and that they are a part of low carb eating to begin with.
When the truth is each is a stand alone way of eating. Many vegetables contain enough carbs that they are excluded from low carb diets. If people enjoy eating vegetables and want to eat them as a part of eating a low-calorie diet, it's not necessary to include low carb as a part of that. It confuses things even further, in fact, because of the added problem of worrying which vegetables are okay as part of a low carb diet and which aren't.
I've never seen a low carb eater claim eating vegetables is exclusive to low carb diets. Perhaps that's why her post was confusing to me.
And low carb eaters don't "worry" about which vegetables are okay. Anybody eating this way already knows...and if they don't it is extremely easy to find out. What you wrote is the equivalent of saying the added problem of knowing the calorie and macro content of everything you eat makes IIFYM confusing.
I've seen a few posts before where someone going low carb says they're eating much more veggies than before. It's weird.
Why is it weird? In my case, I stopped eating added sugar, bread, pasta, highly processed foods...that leaves a lot more room for other foods. And green veggies are one of the low carb options.
Green veggies are low carb. People who are deliberately trying to eat low carb typically have a specific carb number in mind. It's not simply percentages. Absolutes matter. Exmple:
The two cups of broccoli I had with dinner last night had 50 calories...it also had 4 grams of protein, 4 grams of fiber and only 4 grams of net carbs. 4 grams of net carbs in two cups of food is low carb.
Compare that 4 grams to the number of carbs in two cups of diced potato...which would be about 180 grams of net carbs and 232 calories.
Hmmm...4 vs 180. Both are veggies, but 4 is low carb and 180 is certainly not. Frankly, I don't care how the percentages work out...broccoli is low carb.
If absolutes matter then everything is low carb as long as you eat little enough of it.
So you don't believe absolutes matter? I thought that was the whole point behind CICO? Are you actually saying absolutes are irrelevant? I am shocked.
I'm saying if you're saying only the absolute numbers matter if something is low carb, then even coke is low carb as long as I have little enough of it.
If you want to do low carb and only eat 20 grams a day like the OP is, and want to use that on coke...go for it. A standard single serving bottle of coke has 65 grams of carbs. Sure, have less than 1/3 of a bottle and call it low carb. Of course, if you do that...you can't eat any veggies at all, any dairy at all, any nuts, or even any eggs. But hey, whatever makes you happy...even if it leaves you hungry.
Now, I highly doubt that anybody who claims to eat low carb actually DOES that, but if you want to...I won't argue with you.0
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