Low Carb Dieting - Induction Phase
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stevencloser wrote: »Also there's dozens of people, me including, who will gladly tell you that fat is not filling for everyone.
missing the context of the low carb diet presumably.
Like the context that your body can regulate blodd sugar? Or that we all don't get the same affect/satiety from foods that others do?
still missing the context eh ? Many people and much evidence says LCHF eating is satiating and leads to voluntary low food intake. It's only deniers that bang on about "fat not being satiating to them" - nobody cares, you aren't on the LCHF diet that the claim is made about.
I don't give an expletive about what foods carb addled exercise guys find satiating to them on their high carb excessive protein diets, that's a different context. The title of this thread is a guide to the context of this discussion.
I am not missing context. I am letting others know my experience to allow others know there are a variety of effects of food. I know that goes against your low carb agenda, which i am sorry it makes you mad, but not everyone responds the same. Yes, a lot of people find lchf a good solution but just like every diet, it has a high failure rate.
I don't believe that is always needed though. It would be like me posting about my LCHF, largely carnivorous diet option on the vegetarian or vegan posts, so that people can be more educated in my way of doing things. I highly doubt they need or want that. Same goes for many LCHF threads.
JMO
Not sure if you saw my first post or not, but it was merely to correct a typical LCHF falacy that CICO is a type of diet. All diets obey by CICO. What most people refer to is flexible dieting.
Additionally, while you may not go into other threads, many people will post their experience with LCHF in various threads (not just the ones dedicated to low carb). I think its great to let people know the available options that exist and various strategies. It allows for members to see the variety of benefits and lifestyles to help them reach their goals.
And besides, if we didnt have discussions and only entered specific threads there would be a lot more broscience like; lchf makes you a fat burning machines (not explaining that means dietary fat), or meats tears up your insides (sadly i have heard this several types), more meals means more weight loss (you know because camp fire), or eating after 7pm is bad for you.
And as always, i hope this diet works well for the OP but more importantly i hope they set it up correctly where fat is very high, and the address any electrolyte issues prior to occuring and realize if they are in the US, it means net carbs.0 -
PrizePopple wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »You don't JUST lose water on low carb diets. You lose just as much fat as you would on any other diet. In fact, people with insulin resistance, PCOS or certain other issues might find it much easier to lose eating low carb. Also, ketogenic diets have an advantage in terms of body composition since they help prevent muscle loss.
But regardless, even if you do eventually reintroduce higher levels of carb...you might gain back the water weight (just a few pounds!!!) but all the fat will NOT come back. Also, the "and some more" in your reply is just plain wrong.
Ah blanket statements about IR and PCOS, which I happen to have (IR because of PCOS) .. I've lost just fine sticking to nothing more than a caloric deficit, thanks. Doing such a diet would be to help balance a MEDICAL condition, in conjunction with medication, to further assist with controlling the condition. It's also usually monitored by a medical professional such as an endocrinologist along the way. It's not the same thing as "I want to go low carb for a few weeks because I think it's going to 'kickstart' my weight loss".
The point is that this person is not as well versed as she would like to think she is, and to jump into a diet that isn't really intended to be a short-term quick fix is fairly irresponsible. One would imagine as a proponent of low carbing you would prefer that people fully understand what they are doing, not flippantly say "I don't know if it's even going to work".
Relax! Many people with insulin resistance, whether from PCOS or not, do find it easier to lose with low carb. This is hardly a controversial statement, Please note that I said "might" find it easier in my post, so there was no "blanket statement" made. I never said you "must". So please stop being overly sensitive and twisting what was said.
Also, many people without any medical condition prefer low carb...including me. I don't do it to "balance a medical condition". I do it because I just feel better eating this way and it eliminates all cravings.
Also, there is no need for medical supervision on a low carb diet. Obviously, people with specific medical conditions will be regularly seeing a doctor, but because of the condition...not because of the diet.
Finally, there is nothing "irresponsible" about testing out a new way of eating, especially considering that there is nothing harmful in that way of eating. Nobody knows if any eating style will really suit them until they try it. Maybe she won't like low carb, maybe she will. But she won't know until she tries.
The same can be said for somebody trying to eat low fat, or giving up meat, or cutting out added sugar, or experimenting with three large meals a day vs 5 small meals. Give it a try and you will know soon enough if it is for you or not.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com
Lots of info such as recipes/ foods/ and the concept of what its all about.IsaackGMOON wrote: »ajmurray1234 wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »You do realize what will happen once you reintroduce carbs right?
So you've done it before? I haven't so no, I don't know what will happen. I don't even know if this will work.
Cheers
Well when you restrict carbohydrates you drop a lot of water weight.
Reintroduction of carbohydrates means you'll gain that water weight back, and some more.ajmurray1234 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »Why bother if it's just for 2 weeks? I don't see the point.
Low carbing doesn't make you lose any more fat than restricting calories... weight loss is all about calories.
I still don't see the point in this.
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2 weeks is supposed to put your body in a state of Ketosis so your fat stores are used for energy instead of carbs.
I don't know how this going to work, I just know I have been restricting but w/out the desired results. So.. I'm trying something different.
Cheers
Again, there's literally no point in this. It takes much longer than 2 weeks to become fat adapted. Even so, the reintroduction of carbohydrates will mean you are no longer fat adapted. Also, your body doesn't just use carbs as an energy source in a normal diet...
Just no.
Dont worry about these type of people. Keto aka LCHF works great, fat and protein are much more filling and really keep hunger pains at bay. Also any "cravings" aka sugar cravings will be gone.
If you want to fat adapt quickly i would recommend doing:
A 16 hour fast, say 8pm to noon, then try and do a full body depletion workout during the fast. Then eat at a macro split of 80-85% fat 15-20 protein, carbs as low as poss. Just for a day maybe 2.
This should help with getting into ketosis much faster.
Remember to keep sodium intake (5000mg/day) and potassium, magnesium up. If not you will probably feel lousy.
Gl
http://keto-calculator.ankerl.com
Isaac was completely right on every single point though.
No actually he wasnt.
When carbs are reintroduced yes water weight will return.
The " and more" is false and misinformation.
And given the choice between carbs/ glucose and fat the body prefers and will use glucose/carbs First for energy.
Nice try though
Completely depends on whether the person remains in a calorie deficit when reintroducing the carbohydrates. If not, then weight will also be regained, along with the water weight.
Well, that is stating the obvious and completely irrelevant to this discussion and more importantly misleading. Somebody who just follows IIFYM will also regain weight if they don't remain in a calorie deficit. This is true of any eating style...it has nothing to do with low carb specifically.0 -
The low carb diet DOES work but it is very restrictive. sandsofarabia nailed it on the head. It has to be a life choice, not a diet. Once you deviate from it and bring carbs back in, it is amazing how fast the weight comes back. The same applies for any DIET. Low fat, low calorie. Once you deviate and bring in the fat or extra calories, you gain weight.
I've done low carb for two months. I lost 30 pounds. By mid second month, the idea of eating beef, chicken, or another EGG made me literally GAG. Yes, it is a mind set. Removing the foods I focused on that I couldn't have from my life made me feel empowered AND I did eventually have more energy. I am a sugar ADDICT through and through. I love everything there is to love about it. I also love pasta. If I eat either of these items, I tell myself I am a bad girl and then say....may as well pig out and diet tomorrow.
Restrictive diets can make some people focus on the can'ts more than the cans.
If you wish to drop some weight and feel that by removing carbs, a big trigger food item for many, go for it. But plan on doing it for the long haul. You don't have to be so restrictive as many plans promote. My mother lost 87 pounds with the motto, if it is white, don't bite. Meaning anything made of white flour and sugar, she avoided. She ate some fruits but really enjoyed meat heavy dishes.
I lost 100 pounds eating a very low fat diet. I consumed loads of sugar and walked 2 miles a day.....(was in my 20's). Anything works. But whatever your choice is, ask yourself this one question. Can you do it for life? Good luck.
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IsaackGMOON wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Also there's dozens of people, me including, who will gladly tell you that fat is not filling for everyone.
missing the context of the low carb diet presumably.
Like the context that your body can regulate blodd sugar? Or that we all don't get the same affect/satiety from foods that others do?
still missing the context eh ? Many people and much evidence says LCHF eating is satiating and leads to voluntary low food intake. It's only deniers that bang on about "fat not being satiating to them" - nobody cares, you aren't on the LCHF diet that the claim is made about.
I don't give an expletive about what foods carb addled exercise guys find satiating to them on their high carb excessive protein diets, that's a different context. The title of this thread is a guide to the context of this discussion.
Apparently eating low carb makes you an angry, bitter person toward anyone who believes or eats differently than you. At least that's the example you're setting. Personally, I think low-carb is just another great way to eat at a calorie deficit, and it works quite well for many people who enjoy it. It's not for everyone, but good for some. I don't understand cramming it down everyone's throat, though. Why try to argue it with people who've found some other way?
Let it go, dude.
Do you mind to take a step back and read the OP?
"Hello,
I have decided to do something that to most people is not a good idea, but perhaps to others is just fine. For two weeks I am going to restrict my net carbs to 20 grams per day as prescribed in low carb diets such as Atkins.
I have to admit I have been really intrigued by the philosophy that your body will turn to stored fat for energy when the presence of carbs is low.
I have done my due diligence by researching the good and bad of this diet, read up on tips, etc; and will move forward in doing this.
I'll try to keep my results posted per week.
SW: 172
GW: 130"
She is going to give it a try. So, what's the problem? let it go, dude
Dudette!!!!
LOL!!
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MoiAussi93 wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »You don't JUST lose water on low carb diets. You lose just as much fat as you would on any other diet. In fact, people with insulin resistance, PCOS or certain other issues might find it much easier to lose eating low carb. Also, ketogenic diets have an advantage in terms of body composition since they help prevent muscle loss.
But regardless, even if you do eventually reintroduce higher levels of carb...you might gain back the water weight (just a few pounds!!!) but all the fat will NOT come back. Also, the "and some more" in your reply is just plain wrong.
Ah blanket statements about IR and PCOS, which I happen to have (IR because of PCOS) .. I've lost just fine sticking to nothing more than a caloric deficit, thanks. Doing such a diet would be to help balance a MEDICAL condition, in conjunction with medication, to further assist with controlling the condition. It's also usually monitored by a medical professional such as an endocrinologist along the way. It's not the same thing as "I want to go low carb for a few weeks because I think it's going to 'kickstart' my weight loss".
The point is that this person is not as well versed as she would like to think she is, and to jump into a diet that isn't really intended to be a short-term quick fix is fairly irresponsible. One would imagine as a proponent of low carbing you would prefer that people fully understand what they are doing, not flippantly say "I don't know if it's even going to work".
Relax! Many people with insulin resistance, whether from PCOS or not, do find it easier to lose with low carb. This is hardly a controversial statement, Please note that I said "might" find it easier in my post, so there was no "blanket statement" made. I never said you "must". So please stop being overly sensitive and twisting what was said.
Also, many people without any medical condition prefer low carb...including me. I don't do it to "balance a medical condition". I do it because I just feel better eating this way and it eliminates all cravings.
Also, there is no need for medical supervision on a low carb diet. Obviously, people with specific medical conditions will be regularly seeing a doctor, but because of the condition...not because of the diet.
Finally, there is nothing "irresponsible" about testing out a new way of eating, especially considering that there is nothing harmful in that way of eating. Nobody knows if any eating style will really suit them until they try it. Maybe she won't like low carb, maybe she will. But she won't know until she tries.
The same can be said for somebody trying to eat low fat, or giving up meat, or cutting out added sugar, or experimenting with three large meals a day vs 5 small meals. Give it a try and you will know soon enough if it is for you or not.
Kudos!
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I'm doing the Adkins 20 intro also and I'm on day five. Make sure you replace lost electrolytes or you will feel like crap. Trust me. Lemon water with salt, power aid zero will help a lot.
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ceoverturf wrote: »
Read my thread. Posting my thoughts/feelings definitely opened up an arena of harsh opinions. Attempts to invalidate how I was feeling were more prominent than the 'Totally understand how you feel' sort of comments. People are quick to attack, toss out nonconstructive opinions. I don't expect everyone to agree with what is being said, but with that being said.....opinions are like *kitten*.
I did...and saw no one on either side of the argument being cruel. That's entirely your perception of people disagreeing with you.
If you came here expecting all hugs, and pats on the back, and "Kumbaya"...then yeah, it can sometimes be a rude awakening when people point out factual errors, inconsistencies, or having disagreements.
Personally, it's what I like best about MFP boards. Generally people here don't just blindly give rah-rah support and they call out things that don't make sense.
This this this. Would people rather be supported in doing something everyone else knows is crap? Yes yes, you pop those Dr. Oz pills, those will totally work for you!0 -
ajmurray1234 wrote: »Hello,
I have decided to do something that to most people is not a good idea, but perhaps to others is just fine. For two weeks I am going to restrict my net carbs to 20 grams per day as prescribed in low carb diets such as Atkins.
I have to admit I have been really intrigued by the philosophy that your body will turn to stored fat for energy when the presence of carbs is low.
I have done my due diligence by researching the good and bad of this diet, read up on tips, etc; and will move forward in doing this.
I'll try to keep my results posted per week.
SW: 172
GW: 130
Cheers
Andrea
I'm all for experimenting. One of the best things about CICO, which is fundamental to weight loss, is that there are a myriad of ways to achieve it and find adherence.
It may not be so, in particular for you, but in my case, I was "switched off" to bodily responses to foods at MO. Experimenting helped me learn to be switched on. What would happen if? Would I survive it, enjoy it, invest in it?
The Atkins has never interested me. More of a, I guess, lack of desire to account to that degree. Carbing down has interested me and I've played with that. For me I've found "it depends". And I've learnt. I think it's important to be adaptable, flexible. If it starts being a drudge then take what you've learnt and move along.0 -
Hello
I have been diagnosed with diabetes and was told to restrict my carbs, as they turn into sugar in my body. This has worked for me. I have lost 45 lbs. since last October. Always consult with your doctor, before any diet. Best of luck.0 -
I just started LCHF 1 1/2 months ago and I have got off to a rocky start. I lost 10 lbs the first week then my weight slowed down to about 1-2 pounds per week. Well Labor day weekend came and I felt I had gained so much control over my cravings that I could have a treat and get right back on plan without much damage, WRONG!! One treat led to another, and another and before I knew what had hit me I woke up Monday morning sick, bloated, all my aches, pains, cankles and 8lbs had returned.
Will I be starting over tomorrow? Heck yeah! I had such improvement with a lot of my medical problems and weight loss was just a pleasent side effect. One pound a week is fine with me and I can loose at this rate with 50g of net carbs a day.
Give it a try, if you can make it past the Keto-Flu, you should notice great fat loss & apetite control.
Peace & Blessings0 -
OP if want to do the low carb that's fine, but do it for the right reason not because it's the fad, everyone is doing it diet. CI/CO still applies no matter what you do. Good luck. 0
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Please keep the thread on topic, if you don't feel able to make a positive contribution to the topic then please move along to a different thread!
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eddiemac617 wrote: »Hello
I have been diagnosed with diabetes and was told to restrict my carbs, as they turn into sugar in my body. This has worked for me. I have lost 45 lbs. since last October. Always consult with your doctor, before any diet. Best of luck.
They don't turn into sugar in your body. Sugar is a carb.0 -
The body needs carbs to function. There are two types of carbs, simple and complex. Simple carbs are known to spike blood glucose levels which overall has a negative impact on you. When eating carbs- it's best to consume unrefined, whole grains as long as you can tolerate that, vegetables and fruits.0
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The body needs carbs to function. There are two types of carbs, simple and complex. Simple carbs are known to spike blood glucose levels which overall has a negative impact on you. When eating carbs- it's best to consume unrefined, whole grains as long as you can tolerate that, vegetables and fruits.
Actually, your body doesn't need carbs to function. Your body and brain needs glucose to function. If it cannot get it by way of carbohydrates then it will break down protein in order to get it.
^^This. This comes up all the time on the boards. You do NOT need to eat any carbs.0 -
That is a debate that will continue for a while. Some Doctors, mine included, say the brain needs carbs- as do our muscles in order to properly restore after exercise. I mean what does he know? He's only been a Dr. For 35 years.
He also said the type of carb matters. Our body does not need the processed garbage. Eat grains in moderation but get most of the carbs from plants.
Other people believe we can survive without carbs. I don't know if there has been enough research regarding whether or not there are damaging effects long term for people on a no carb/ extreme low carb diet. Time will tell.0 -
That is a debate that will continue for a while. Some Doctors, mine included, say the brain needs carbs- as do our muscles in order to properly restore after exercise. I mean what does he know? He's only been a Dr. For 35 years.
He also said the type of carb matters. Our body does not need the processed garbage. Eat grains in moderation but get most of the carbs from plants.
Other people believe we can survive without carbs. I don't know if there has been enough research regarding whether or not there are damaging effects long term for people on a no carb/ extreme low carb diet. Time will tell.
The brain needs glucose, not carbs. If carbs are not provided as the source, the body will turn to protein instead. This is where ketosis comes in. It's possible but quite difficult for a lot of people, but actually tends to end up being low-carb or minimal carb, not carb free.0 -
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I just started LCHF 1 1/2 months ago and I have got off to a rocky start. I lost 10 lbs the first week then my weight slowed down to about 1-2 pounds per week. Well Labor day weekend came and I felt I had gained so much control over my cravings that I could have a treat and get right back on plan without much damage, WRONG!! One treat led to another, and another and before I knew what had hit me I woke up Monday morning sick, bloated, all my aches, pains, cankles and 8lbs had returned.
Will I be starting over tomorrow? Heck yeah! I had such improvement with a lot of my medical problems and weight loss was just a pleasent side effect. One pound a week is fine with me and I can loose at this rate with 50g of net carbs a day.
Give it a try, if you can make it past the Keto-Flu, you should notice great fat loss & apetite control.
Peace & Blessings
This is my experience as well. I didn't realize what an awful effect dietary carbohydrates had on me until I felt how good I felt every day all day without them. Failing to maintain my 50g a day limit only reinforced how crappy they make me feel and the obscene cravings that resulted when overdoing carbs explained exactly why I wasn't losing weight with a higher level in my diet.
I remembered yesterday that I used to wake up on a regular basis just aching. Since I decreased carb levels this has not happened once.0 -
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billieljaime wrote: »HELLO!!!! I lost my first 80 lbs doing ATKINS and I can tell you it WORKS!!!!
Here is why, you have to do ALLLLL of the phases, the point of Atkins is to re teach you how to eat healthy, over time you re introduce carbs back into your diet in the forms of fruits, veggies, and whole grains breads.......and ever so slowly the diet becomes a whole foods healthy calorie counting (defecit) diet.
The point is NOT to stay so low carb for ever, but to modify your eating habits for a life time, I stayed on induction for four months to lose a good bulk of my eight.
I now just calorie count.
Good luck!
Every diet works as long as you create a deficit...very simple.
So for me it is high carbs and still lost almost 110 lbs in 11 months
Fast enough too
For others it will be low carb. Their choice
But i just say try to eat now how you want to eat when you are at goal weight. Just less
And i plan to keep eating what how i eat now...high carb!
So why make changes? This works too.
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BurnWithBarn2015 wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »HELLO!!!! I lost my first 80 lbs doing ATKINS and I can tell you it WORKS!!!!
Here is why, you have to do ALLLLL of the phases, the point of Atkins is to re teach you how to eat healthy, over time you re introduce carbs back into your diet in the forms of fruits, veggies, and whole grains breads.......and ever so slowly the diet becomes a whole foods healthy calorie counting (defecit) diet.
The point is NOT to stay so low carb for ever, but to modify your eating habits for a life time, I stayed on induction for four months to lose a good bulk of my eight.
I now just calorie count.
Good luck!
Every diet works as long as you create a deficit...very simple.
So for me it is high carbs and still lost almost 110 lbs in 11 months
Fast enough too
For others it will be low carb. Their choice
But i just say try to eat now how you want to eat when you are at goal weight. Just less
And i plan to keep eating what how i eat now...high carb!
So why make changes? This works too.
First, congrats on your weight loss. That is pretty awesome. Second, what type of workouts do you do?0 -
walking/steps/dancing and swimming
Well and teach/train some pool exercise too. But dont log those calories.0 -
But i lost weight before i started picking up my exercising again.
It started in the kitchen by weighing my food again 0 -
eddiemac617 wrote: »Hello
I have been diagnosed with diabetes and was told to restrict my carbs, as they turn into sugar in my body. This has worked for me. I have lost 45 lbs. since last October. Always consult with your doctor, before any diet. Best of luck.
They don't turn into sugar in your body. Sugar is a carb.
@eddiemac617 is correct. Carbs such as starch are broken down into usable sugar in your body.
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So many other discussions that have gotten this heated get closed. Why not this one?0
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I'm just starting LCHF. So I need help/advice on where to set my macros for the induction phase. Calorie count as well?
I don't know why I've never tried this before. I love veggies & everything else I've seen in the numerous recipes etc. Hoping to kickstart a significant weight loss. Needing to lose about 70lbs....0 -
robinpurcell1 wrote: »I'm just starting LCHF. So I need help/advice on where to set my macros for the induction phase. Calorie count as well?
I don't know why I've never tried this before. I love veggies & everything else I've seen in the numerous recipes etc. Hoping to kickstart a significant weight loss. Needing to lose about 70lbs....
You have to calorie count to lose weight...
"kickstart".. You either lose weight or you don't.
No need to kickstart with a diet you're not going to bother sustaining.
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