Just started counting and I'm putting on weight!?
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@emhunter you are wrong on so many levels. CICO is science which is fact, not something yoi believe in or not.0
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Ok, but energy can only be converted, never created nor destroyed - that's one of the most immutable scientific laws we have.The bottom line remains that CI<CO works no matter what. Yes, a myriad of issues can affect the equation, and one might need to eat a certain way for medical conditions but the equation is always true. People are different but every single person has to take in less than they burn to achieve weight loss.
No that equation doesn't work for everyone. If you have medical issues just keeping cals in below what you expend doesn't work. There is more to the equation.
Yes, everyone. As I said they may have to do certain things to achieve that equation. Or are you saying that there are some people who absolutely cannot lose weight?
I did not say people can never lose weight. CI<CO is not all the equation is if you do that but only eat carbs and don't lose. That's simple math. That is a logical fact. There are people in this world with insulin resistance that if they eat 1000 calories of bread and ran 2 miles and drank water, their body would not allow them to lose. Because of the insulin resistance they cannot break down that bread. So they still were eating less calories than they expended. But lost nothing.
So the questions are, when running 2 miles, where did the energy come from? When eating bread, where did the energy go?
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Im hoping it's just a "fluctuation" due to it being the beginning of a new diet, the way I was eating before was the same, just too much as I couldnt budge... Im hoping it will drop in a week or two. The doctor is sending me back for more blood tests to see what my hormone cycle is up to. I will start using my food scales over measuring from now on (boyfriend thinks im mental for measuring every little thing I eat lol)
Oh hey, this was a thread about @Reerdaber.
It sounds like you've identified your problem. I always find that when I make a change in diet or exercise, the scale tends to freak out for about 6 weeks (I'll often see a gain, and then it will suddenly drop and then normalize with what I'm expecting). Getting the hormones checked is never a bad idea, but I'm guessing with weighing your foods and giving it time you'll soon see progress. I also recommend taking measurements and progress photos because the scale does show so many fluctuations.
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natboosh69 wrote: »@emhunter you are wrong on so many levels. CICO is science which is fact, not something yoi believe in or not.
I'm not explaining this again. It is also science that with certain medical conditions you have to do more than just limit cals in vs cals out. Do some real research. Don't assume and you will see.0 -
I'm not explaining this again. It is also science that with certain medical conditions you have to do more than just limit cals in vs cals out. Do some real research. Don't assume and you will see.[/quote]
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@janejellyroll im using bread as an example because regular white bread is not a complex carb.0
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@DeguelloTex it is possible. I have done it. Many times.0
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@UltimateRBF I am not posting it. I'm not on trial. But people that speak without knowing what they are saying or if there are other possibilities are doing themselves a disservice. How one can vehemently deny things without looking it up and asking is beyond me. It is entirely possible that people are misinformed or only know a peace of the puzzle. I don't need excuses. I've reached a healthy weight.0
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wheres my popcorn.......
and special snowflakes ALWAYS think they are special snowflakes and the truth of science doesn't apply to them in ANY fashion. Hence, why I don't get involved....0 -
@UltimateRBF on second thought, here is just one link. But people should ask docs and find out for themselves.
http://www.pcosdietsupport.com/pcos-symptoms/weight-loss-with-pcos/
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@janejellyroll im using bread as an example because regular white bread is not a complex carb.
Complex carbohydrates are made up of sugar molecules that are strung together in long, complex chains. White bread is a complex carb.0 -
@UltimateRBF on second thought, here is just one link. But people should ask docs and find out for themselves.
http://www.pcosdietsupport.com/pcos-symptoms/weight-loss-with-pcos/
This was on your link. What a complete shock.
"In a recent study, researchers found that women without PCOS needed roughly 1868 calories per day whilst women with PCOS only needed around 1445 calories per day, and those with insulin resistance needed even less"0 -
@UltimateRBF on second thought, here is just one link. But people should ask docs and find out for themselves.
http://www.pcosdietsupport.com/pcos-symptoms/weight-loss-with-pcos/
You need a better link then that one. They are selling you stuff that you want to hear, nothing more.0 -
No, you haven't. You're lying or mistaken. Those are the two possibilities.@DeguelloTex it is possible. I have done it. Many times.
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Sorry I helped derail your thread, OP. Glad you got some answers.0
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Em, if you are not losing weight by those numbers they gave you then (1) either your numbers are incorrect or (2) you are eating more than you realize. It's not like you eat a carb and your body says it's going to gain weight. That's just not how it works.The bottom line remains that CI<CO works no matter what. Yes, a myriad of issues can affect the equation, and one might need to eat a certain way for medical conditions but the equation is always true. People are different but every single person has to take in less than they burn to achieve weight loss.
No that equation doesn't work for everyone. If you have medical issues just keeping cals in below what you expend doesn't work. There is more to the equation.
Yes, everyone. As I said they may have to do certain things to achieve that equation. Or are you saying that there are some people who absolutely cannot lose weight?
I did not say people can never lose weight. CI<CO is not all the equation is if you do that but only eat carbs and don't lose. That's simple math. That is a logical fact. There are people in this world with insulin resistance that if they eat 1000 calories of bread and ran 2 miles and drank water, their body would not allow them to lose. Because of the insulin resistance they cannot break down that bread. So they still were eating less calories than they expended. But lost nothing.
I have a secret.
CICO works for every single time (every single time) whether a person wants to lose weight, gain weight, or manage weight. If you eat less calories than you burn you will lose weight.
However, when people have medical conditions, it just takes some time and work to find that CICO number that will work due to their special condition.
Your 1,000 calorie bread and all carb examples are extreme and does not even apply to the OP's original question.
I was giving the OP an option of what possibly could be causing her scale issues or stall. I didn't just tell her it could just be a fluctuation or eat less. That's basic. She knows that.
As for the equation you state, I've had an active and resting metabolic test to tell me how much I can eat and I eat well below that AND workout. It doesn't change my scale if I have simple carbs.
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
You know it's not possible to eat below RMR and not have your scale change, right? That's basic. You should know that.The bottom line remains that CI<CO works no matter what. Yes, a myriad of issues can affect the equation, and one might need to eat a certain way for medical conditions but the equation is always true. People are different but every single person has to take in less than they burn to achieve weight loss.
No that equation doesn't work for everyone. If you have medical issues just keeping cals in below what you expend doesn't work. There is more to the equation.
Yes, everyone. As I said they may have to do certain things to achieve that equation. Or are you saying that there are some people who absolutely cannot lose weight?
I did not say people can never lose weight. CI<CO is not all the equation is if you do that but only eat carbs and don't lose. That's simple math. That is a logical fact. There are people in this world with insulin resistance that if they eat 1000 calories of bread and ran 2 miles and drank water, their body would not allow them to lose. Because of the insulin resistance they cannot break down that bread. So they still were eating less calories than they expended. But lost nothing.
I have a secret.
CICO works for every single time (every single time) whether a person wants to lose weight, gain weight, or manage weight. If you eat less calories than you burn you will lose weight.
However, when people have medical conditions, it just takes some time and work to find that CICO number that will work due to their special condition.
Your 1,000 calorie bread and all carb examples are extreme and does not even apply to the OP's original question.
I was giving the OP an option of what possibly could be causing her scale issues or stall. I didn't just tell her it could just be a fluctuation or eat less. That's basic. She knows that.
As for the equation you state, I've had an active and resting metabolic test to tell me how much I can eat and I eat well below that AND workout. It doesn't change my scale if I have simple carbs.
This is spot on. Why was it flagged? It is basic.0 -
I think it's actually easy to eat MORE when you start measuring if you aren't accurately weighing. Sometimes when we see we have '200' calories left, we might say, nice I can have peanut butter but then mis-measure it and suddenly its 450 calories. That adds up at the end of the week. If you're also overestimating your calorie burns and eating those back, welp there you go.0
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I think it's actually easy to eat MORE when you start measuring if you aren't accurately weighing. Sometimes when we see we have '200' calories left, we might say, nice I can have peanut butter but then mis-measure it and suddenly its 450 calories. That adds up at the end of the week. If you're also overestimating your calorie burns and eating those back, welp there you go.
Yes....Just YES!! Easy as pie (desert is coming up soon.
) to make the mistake of underestimating calories in. 
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@janejellyroll im using bread as an example because regular white bread is not a complex carb.
You have been misinformed. White bread is a complex carbohydrate.0 -
After being on the birth control pill and a trip across Europe, I put on a couple of kilos.
I had been eating healthy and exercising for around 4 to 5 weeks afterwards, stopped the pill, and didn't lose a single pound, so I decided last week to calorie count...
I have been counting to about 1400 calories and have been exercising a few times a week but now I am putting ON WEIGHT! Ive put on a kilo since I started
I have just had my hormones tested and the doctor wants me to go and get another one (didn't say why).... What is going on here??
It's so discouraging
Sorry if I missed this, but are you eating back all your exercise calories? Many people here suggest you eat back no more than 50% of the calories you earn from exercise.
Unless you're using a food scale, it's really easy to underestimate how much you are eating. You don't need sound for the first video posted.
So, your kilo gain is likely due to some combination of underestimating calories eaten, overestimating calories burned, and normal water weight fluctuations, including those that occur due to ovulation and menstruation.
There could also be some odd hormonal thing going on, hence the extra test by your doctor, but until you know for sure otherwise, when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras or unicorns
Even with a condition like PCOS, there are many posters here with it who do lose weight.
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Hey everybody, I have been dropping weight quite fast now! It was obviously just a fluctuation0
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Hey everybody, I have been dropping weight quite fast now! It was obviously just a fluctuation
That's great. Weight does fluctuate, and seeing that can be frustrating. Weight fluctuations are not fat though, they are water only.
Weight loss really is about eating at a deficit, but how you get there is completely individual. 0 -
Don't forget about the Wooshes and Squishy Fat stages of weight loss. Sometimes it's not always a steady loss, sometimes it comes in stages. Slow and steady wins the race!0
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