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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I'm not familiar with the woman you mention but I've always had a hard time with the concept that someone can both love theirself and be morbidly obese. How do you accept a disease (obesity) and an increased risk of so many other diseases for someone you love? It doesn't seem possible to me.
Are you kidding me? It's one thing to discuss whether a person who is obese needs to worry about health problems, but it's another thing entirely to say something as ridiculous as what you just said. A person's self worth is not tied into his or her body alone, and whether or not a person is fat does not make them loveable. People struggle with body image every day, and to say that someone who is morbidly obese should struggle with the ability to love oneself is asinine.
Look in the mirror. I'm sure you have flaws. Learn to look past them and see your own unique beauty - that's what every person needs to do, thin, obese, tall, short, black, white, man, woman, etc. Loving oneself shouldn't have anything to do with the image in the mirror. It has to do with knowing who you are as a person and knowing you're doing the best you can.
It's not assinine. And it's not about being flawless. It has nothing at all to do with race, stature, gender or attractiveness.
It's about willingly and knowingly giving a disease (obesity) to and raising the risk for numerous other diseases for someone you claim to love.
It's ridiculous to compare health with what you see in the mirror.
any person can be unhealthy and still love who they are. Those are two different things. Focusing solely on the body and discussing it in this way (and causing lurkers to see it as well) is going to cause disordered thinking.
I agree. Which is why I never mentioned her body, only her health. Those are two different things.0 -
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »I'm not familiar with the woman you mention but I've always had a hard time with the concept that someone can both love theirself and be morbidly obese. How do you accept a disease (obesity) and an increased risk of so many other diseases for someone you love? It doesn't seem possible to me.
Are you kidding me? It's one thing to discuss whether a person who is obese needs to worry about health problems, but it's another thing entirely to say something as ridiculous as what you just said. A person's self worth is not tied into his or her body alone, and whether or not a person is fat does not make them loveable. People struggle with body image every day, and to say that someone who is morbidly obese should struggle with the ability to love oneself is asinine.
Look in the mirror. I'm sure you have flaws. Learn to look past them and see your own unique beauty - that's what every person needs to do, thin, obese, tall, short, black, white, man, woman, etc. Loving oneself shouldn't have anything to do with the image in the mirror. It has to do with knowing who you are as a person and knowing you're doing the best you can.
It's not assinine. And it's not about being flawless. It has nothing at all to do with race, stature, gender or attractiveness.
It's about willingly and knowingly giving a disease (obesity) to and raising the risk for numerous other diseases for someone you claim to love.
It's ridiculous to compare health with what you see in the mirror.
any person can be unhealthy and still love who they are. Those are two different things. Focusing solely on the body and discussing it in this way (and causing lurkers to see it as well) is going to cause disordered thinking.
I agree. Which is why I never mentioned her body, only her health. Those are two different things.
I've always had a hard time with the concept that someone can both love theirself and be morbidly obese.
That is a direct quote from your post - that is a direct comment on her body.0 -
She has a tv show where she's trying to lose weight and she has a condition that makes it difficult to lose it so I think the debate ends there really0
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Is she trying or is she losing? They're two different things.0
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I'm not her clinical weight loss expert0
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I was thinking maybe you'd watched the show since you mentioned it.0
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BeerdedBuddy wrote: »She has a tv show where she's trying to lose weight and she has a condition that makes it difficult to lose it so I think the debate ends there really
That almost sounds like incentive not to lose weight. What happens to the TV show if she loses all the weight?0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »BeerdedBuddy wrote: »She has a tv show where she's trying to lose weight and she has a condition that makes it difficult to lose it so I think the debate ends there really
That almost sounds like incentive not to lose weight. What happens to the TV show if she loses all the weight?
Amen. The longer you're on tv the more money you get.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »BeerdedBuddy wrote: »She has a tv show where she's trying to lose weight and she has a condition that makes it difficult to lose it so I think the debate ends there really
That almost sounds like incentive not to lose weight. What happens to the TV show if she loses all the weight?
The shows not going to last forever, they've never had a TV show of an overweight star successfully lose it though either as far as I know0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »BeerdedBuddy wrote: »She has a tv show where she's trying to lose weight and she has a condition that makes it difficult to lose it so I think the debate ends there really
That almost sounds like incentive not to lose weight. What happens to the TV show if she loses all the weight?
they give her a new TV show if it's popular enough.0 -
She lost over 100 pounds two years ago and developed an eating disorder in the process. Gained it all back and is losing more slowly this time (but she is losing according to interviews). She also owns up to the fact that it was personal choice and not solely her PCOS to blame for the weight gain. It's not like any of this is hard to find. She's done a ton of interviews that a quick google search gave me. Honestly, this board is terrible with the body shaming.0
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TLC the same people that brought you Here comes Honey Boo Boo.0
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I'm a tryer. 100+ days on MFP and only 13lbs lost. Excuses and slackingdiannethegeek wrote: »She lost over 100 pounds two years ago and developed an eating disorder in the process. Gained it all back and is losing more slowly this time (but she is losing according to interviews). She also owns up to the fact that it was personal choice and not solely her PCOS to blame for the weight gain. It's not like any of this is hard to find. She's done a ton of interviews that a quick google search gave me. Honestly, this board is terrible with the body shaming.
This board is 100x worse with shaming shaming. People use that term like a crutch here when they don't agree with fact or opinion.0 -
There have been lots of people with PCOS that have lost weight. Remember she started at 115lbs and ballooned up to 380lbs. That wasn't because of PCOS. Maybe 50lbs I'll buy, but not 265lbs. That's directly from not paying any attention to her own diet. And we're talking more than 200lbs to lose to even be at the high end of BMI for her, so the difficulty is more about losing a tremendous amount of weight and not just 50lbs.BeerdedBuddy wrote: »She has a tv show where she's trying to lose weight and she has a condition that makes it difficult to lose it so I think the debate ends there really
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »BeerdedBuddy wrote: »She has a tv show where she's trying to lose weight and she has a condition that makes it difficult to lose it so I think the debate ends there really
That almost sounds like incentive not to lose weight. What happens to the TV show if she loses all the weight?
they give her a new TV show if it's popular enough.
exactly. the Biggest Loser seems to have quite the following.0 -
PurringMyrrh wrote: »
She is currently trying to lose weight. No reason to attack.
I don't think she is choosing to stay overweight just trying to accept herself for the time being. to Love her self on the way to a healthier lifestyle. 0 -
Just what I was thinking. She got a show because of her dancing videos and spunk but being obese doing it. But take the weight away and she's just an average dancer with spunk. And there are lots of those out there.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »BeerdedBuddy wrote: »She has a tv show where she's trying to lose weight and she has a condition that makes it difficult to lose it so I think the debate ends there really
That almost sounds like incentive not to lose weight. What happens to the TV show if she loses all the weight?
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tat2cookie wrote: »I love her! Trying to lose weight and trying to lose weight while having PCOS are 2 very different battles. I've been there. It sucks! And like her I learned to be happy in my own skin, regardless of my size. The fact people would be upset about that truly pisses me off!!! Why are overweight people not allowed to be happy? Why can't we go on dates or out dancing? And heavens *kitten* forbid we get caught having a good time!!!! We are fat right! We should be at home eating carrot sticks or running on the treadmill until we have become socially acceptable to be happy in public.
Whitney struggles, she has never hidden that fact. But because she goes out and has pizza with her friend or fights with her dad about eating a freaking sandwich she must not be trying. She does more in one day then most of my skinny friends do in a week. You can be skinny and happy, fat and happy, poor and happy, rich and happy..... But you have no business deciding who is and isn't allowed to be happy in the life they have.
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Though she doesn't have a show anymore, Rosanne Barr has lost weight after cancellation and looks like she's kept it off, although hers was via gastric bypass. I think her last continuous appearance was on "Last Comic Standing" as a judge.BeerdedBuddy wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »BeerdedBuddy wrote: »She has a tv show where she's trying to lose weight and she has a condition that makes it difficult to lose it so I think the debate ends there really
That almost sounds like incentive not to lose weight. What happens to the TV show if she loses all the weight?
The shows not going to last forever, they've never had a TV show of an overweight star successfully lose it though either as far as I know
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Actually I believe it to be much more cordial than any other of the fitness/body building boards I used to frequent. One could be 20% body fat and they refer to one as a fatty and lard butt.diannethegeek wrote: »She lost over 100 pounds two years ago and developed an eating disorder in the process. Gained it all back and is losing more slowly this time (but she is losing according to interviews). She also owns up to the fact that it was personal choice and not solely her PCOS to blame for the weight gain. It's not like any of this is hard to find. She's done a ton of interviews that a quick google search gave me. Honestly, this board is terrible with the body shaming.
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Actually I believe it to be much more cordial than any other of the fitness/body building boards I used to frequent. One could be 20% body fat and they refer to one as a fatty and lard butt.diannethegeek wrote: »She lost over 100 pounds two years ago and developed an eating disorder in the process. Gained it all back and is losing more slowly this time (but she is losing according to interviews). She also owns up to the fact that it was personal choice and not solely her PCOS to blame for the weight gain. It's not like any of this is hard to find. She's done a ton of interviews that a quick google search gave me. Honestly, this board is terrible with the body shaming.
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I get your point, but it reads as "Fat shaming is fine because other boards are doing it worse."
I don't agree with HAES, but like it was said above - a generalization about that rather than pointing out specific people and their flaws may be a better idea.0 -
Which wasn't what I was to convey, so my bad if it came across that way. Any body shaming is not cool and I'm just glad we don't see a lot of it here on the boards.
Actually I believe it to be much more cordial than any other of the fitness/body building boards I used to frequent. One could be 20% body fat and they refer to one as a fatty and lard butt.diannethegeek wrote: »She lost over 100 pounds two years ago and developed an eating disorder in the process. Gained it all back and is losing more slowly this time (but she is losing according to interviews). She also owns up to the fact that it was personal choice and not solely her PCOS to blame for the weight gain. It's not like any of this is hard to find. She's done a ton of interviews that a quick google search gave me. Honestly, this board is terrible with the body shaming.
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I get your point, but it reads as "Fat shaming is fine because other boards are doing it worse."
I don't agree with HAES, but like it was said above - a generalization about that rather than pointing out specific people and their flaws may be a better idea.
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sunn_lighter wrote: »
Which wasn't what I was to convey, so my bad if it came across that way. Any body shaming is not cool and I'm just glad we don't see a lot of it here on the boards.
Actually I believe it to be much more cordial than any other of the fitness/body building boards I used to frequent. One could be 20% body fat and they refer to one as a fatty and lard butt.diannethegeek wrote: »She lost over 100 pounds two years ago and developed an eating disorder in the process. Gained it all back and is losing more slowly this time (but she is losing according to interviews). She also owns up to the fact that it was personal choice and not solely her PCOS to blame for the weight gain. It's not like any of this is hard to find. She's done a ton of interviews that a quick google search gave me. Honestly, this board is terrible with the body shaming.
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I get your point, but it reads as "Fat shaming is fine because other boards are doing it worse."
I don't agree with HAES, but like it was said above - a generalization about that rather than pointing out specific people and their flaws may be a better idea.
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i call bs on that bs on that. it's just more body shaming cloaked in the (maybe slightly insincere) sentiment of being worried about a random stranger's health.
that's why i like to stay in chit chat where it *usually* doesn't come up.
I'd post a line of laughter here, but that would be mean. However, I've seen the chit-chat forums. I've never seen more body shaming in these forums than there is in the Chit-Chat threads.0 -
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I don't worry about her health. She doesn't mean anything to me nor do I have an vested interest in her. I just disagree about her message that one could be very overweight/obese and healthy is incorrect (HAES).sunn_lighter wrote: »
Which wasn't what I was to convey, so my bad if it came across that way. Any body shaming is not cool and I'm just glad we don't see a lot of it here on the boards.
Actually I believe it to be much more cordial than any other of the fitness/body building boards I used to frequent. One could be 20% body fat and they refer to one as a fatty and lard butt.diannethegeek wrote: »She lost over 100 pounds two years ago and developed an eating disorder in the process. Gained it all back and is losing more slowly this time (but she is losing according to interviews). She also owns up to the fact that it was personal choice and not solely her PCOS to blame for the weight gain. It's not like any of this is hard to find. She's done a ton of interviews that a quick google search gave me. Honestly, this board is terrible with the body shaming.
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I get your point, but it reads as "Fat shaming is fine because other boards are doing it worse."
I don't agree with HAES, but like it was said above - a generalization about that rather than pointing out specific people and their flaws may be a better idea.
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i call bs on that bs on that. it's just more body shaming cloaked in the (maybe slightly insincere) sentiment of being worried about a random stranger's health.
that's why i like to stay in chit chat where it *usually* doesn't come up.
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sunn_lighter wrote: »sunn_lighter wrote: »
Which wasn't what I was to convey, so my bad if it came across that way. Any body shaming is not cool and I'm just glad we don't see a lot of it here on the boards.
Actually I believe it to be much more cordial than any other of the fitness/body building boards I used to frequent. One could be 20% body fat and they refer to one as a fatty and lard butt.diannethegeek wrote: »She lost over 100 pounds two years ago and developed an eating disorder in the process. Gained it all back and is losing more slowly this time (but she is losing according to interviews). She also owns up to the fact that it was personal choice and not solely her PCOS to blame for the weight gain. It's not like any of this is hard to find. She's done a ton of interviews that a quick google search gave me. Honestly, this board is terrible with the body shaming.
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I get your point, but it reads as "Fat shaming is fine because other boards are doing it worse."
I don't agree with HAES, but like it was said above - a generalization about that rather than pointing out specific people and their flaws may be a better idea.
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i call bs on that bs on that. it's just more body shaming cloaked in the (maybe slightly insincere) sentiment of being worried about a random stranger's health.
that's why i like to stay in chit chat where it *usually* doesn't come up.
I'd post a line of laughter here, but that would be mean. However, I've seen the chit-chat forums. I've never seen more body shaming in these forums than there is in the Chit-Chat threads.
i don't really understand your recursive sentence structure
Now I know why you don't recognize body shaming in the Chit-Chat forums.-1
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