Daily goals: Sugar
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
Yet, you try to spin "Obesity is caused by a number of interacting diet and lifestyle factors, most of which can be traced back to major socioeconomic changes in this country over the last century" by bolding the bit about sugar and carbs being part of the problem.DeguelloTex wrote: »
From the chart's author -
Refined carbohydrate and sugar are certainly part of the cause of the obesity epidemic, but these data are consistent with a large body of research suggesting that there's more to the story. Obesity is caused by a number of interacting diet and lifestyle factors, most of which can be traced back to major socioeconomic changes in this country over the last century. These have affected the way we interact with food, the composition of our food, and other aspects of our lifestyle that cause genetically susceptible people to gain fat.
That is all I'm saying.
LOL fats and proteins are also a "part" of the obesity epidemic, yet, I don't see you calling for those to be restricted…
still waiting on your "years" of research ...
Sciencey folks usually write very carefully, its probably not OK to put your spin on his words
This thread is about the sugar part.
Saying that excessive sugar is a problem doesn't actually help the OP or disagree with anyone. The discussion opened by OP is about what constitutes excessive sugar.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
Thanks for the interesting chart. Perhaps the rise of artificial sugar replacements did not help reduce obesity or perhaps even increased it.
Pulling fats out of the food supply and adding sugar and other sweeteners to cover the resulting flat taste may be the smoking gun of obesity perhaps.
All I know is I removed all forms of grains and most all form of sugars 14 months ago. 30 days later my pain dropped from a 7-8 level to 2-3 and has not returned. My 40 years of IBS was cured in six months. My triglycerides and cholesterol ratios are better than I can remember since testing for them.
Since carbs are not required for top level human health I personally decided to eat fewer than 50 grams daily for life. I did not decide that for anyone else even in my household.
Diet and its results is a personal choice that we get to live/die by.
or perhaps, people just eat too many calories and that is what leads to obesity…I don't see why that is so hard to understand.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
From the chart's author -
Refined carbohydrate and sugar are certainly part of the cause of the obesity epidemic, but these data are consistent with a large body of research suggesting that there's more to the story. Obesity is caused by a number of interacting diet and lifestyle factors, most of which can be traced back to major socioeconomic changes in this country over the last century. These have affected the way we interact with food, the composition of our food, and other aspects of our lifestyle that cause genetically susceptible people to gain fat.
That is all I'm saying.
No, that is not all you are saying. You repeatedly group all carbs together and ignore the issues with respect to other foods that may be contained in excessive amounts in lower carb diets. You also ignore the evidence that many extremely healthy traditional diets are as or higher in carbs than the SAD. The SAD is not a good diet, but the percentage of carbs is the least of it (it's also considered a high fat diet still, btw, although that also is not significant -- the particular carbs and fats and even proteins that make it up is the issue).
But you, you decide that apples should be included as "garbage." No credible nutrition scientist will agree with that.
And you have knowingly and repeatedly have mistated my words and created new statements that I did not make.
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Which statements did she attribute to you that you didn't say?lemurcat12 wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
From the chart's author -
Refined carbohydrate and sugar are certainly part of the cause of the obesity epidemic, but these data are consistent with a large body of research suggesting that there's more to the story. Obesity is caused by a number of interacting diet and lifestyle factors, most of which can be traced back to major socioeconomic changes in this country over the last century. These have affected the way we interact with food, the composition of our food, and other aspects of our lifestyle that cause genetically susceptible people to gain fat.
That is all I'm saying.
No, that is not all you are saying. You repeatedly group all carbs together and ignore the issues with respect to other foods that may be contained in excessive amounts in lower carb diets. You also ignore the evidence that many extremely healthy traditional diets are as or higher in carbs than the SAD. The SAD is not a good diet, but the percentage of carbs is the least of it (it's also considered a high fat diet still, btw, although that also is not significant -- the particular carbs and fats and even proteins that make it up is the issue).
But you, you decide that apples should be included as "garbage." No credible nutrition scientist will agree with that.
And you have knowingly and repeatedly have mistated my words and created new statements that I did not make.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
From the chart's author -
Refined carbohydrate and sugar are certainly part of the cause of the obesity epidemic, but these data are consistent with a large body of research suggesting that there's more to the story. Obesity is caused by a number of interacting diet and lifestyle factors, most of which can be traced back to major socioeconomic changes in this country over the last century. These have affected the way we interact with food, the composition of our food, and other aspects of our lifestyle that cause genetically susceptible people to gain fat.
That is all I'm saying.
No, that is not all you are saying. You repeatedly group all carbs together and ignore the issues with respect to other foods that may be contained in excessive amounts in lower carb diets. You also ignore the evidence that many extremely healthy traditional diets are as or higher in carbs than the SAD. The SAD is not a good diet, but the percentage of carbs is the least of it (it's also considered a high fat diet still, btw, although that also is not significant -- the particular carbs and fats and even proteins that make it up is the issue).
But you, you decide that apples should be included as "garbage." No credible nutrition scientist will agree with that.
And you have knowingly and repeatedly have mistated my words and created new statements that I did not make.
You mean like when you stated that sugar causes medical conditions? And then no one has been able to provide an answer because tooth decay which is really caused by bacteria.
I mean honestly, its beneficial to replace ultra processed foods with whole sources but sugar in the context of a wholesome diet is in no way bad.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
From the chart's author -
Refined carbohydrate and sugar are certainly part of the cause of the obesity epidemic, but these data are consistent with a large body of research suggesting that there's more to the story. Obesity is caused by a number of interacting diet and lifestyle factors, most of which can be traced back to major socioeconomic changes in this country over the last century. These have affected the way we interact with food, the composition of our food, and other aspects of our lifestyle that cause genetically susceptible people to gain fat.
That is all I'm saying.
No, that is not all you are saying. You repeatedly group all carbs together and ignore the issues with respect to other foods that may be contained in excessive amounts in lower carb diets. You also ignore the evidence that many extremely healthy traditional diets are as or higher in carbs than the SAD. The SAD is not a good diet, but the percentage of carbs is the least of it (it's also considered a high fat diet still, btw, although that also is not significant -- the particular carbs and fats and even proteins that make it up is the issue).
But you, you decide that apples should be included as "garbage." No credible nutrition scientist will agree with that.
And you have knowingly and repeatedly have mistated my words and created new statements that I did not make.
You mean like when you stated that sugar causes medical conditions? And then no one has been able to provide an answer because tooth decay which is really caused by bacteria.
and what would you feed a tooth decay bacteria to make it big and strong?
I mean honestly, its beneficial to replace ultra processed foods with whole sources but sugar in the context of a wholesome diet is in no way bad.
agreed0 -
I know I know
In the answer carbohydrates ?
Alternatively eat some cheese to neutralise mouth acids, brush and floss and visit the dentist regularly0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
From the chart's author -
Refined carbohydrate and sugar are certainly part of the cause of the obesity epidemic, but these data are consistent with a large body of research suggesting that there's more to the story. Obesity is caused by a number of interacting diet and lifestyle factors, most of which can be traced back to major socioeconomic changes in this country over the last century. These have affected the way we interact with food, the composition of our food, and other aspects of our lifestyle that cause genetically susceptible people to gain fat.
That is all I'm saying.
No, that is not all you are saying. You repeatedly group all carbs together and ignore the issues with respect to other foods that may be contained in excessive amounts in lower carb diets. You also ignore the evidence that many extremely healthy traditional diets are as or higher in carbs than the SAD. The SAD is not a good diet, but the percentage of carbs is the least of it (it's also considered a high fat diet still, btw, although that also is not significant -- the particular carbs and fats and even proteins that make it up is the issue).
But you, you decide that apples should be included as "garbage." No credible nutrition scientist will agree with that.
And you have knowingly and repeatedly have mistated my words and created new statements that I did not make.
You mean like when you stated that sugar causes medical conditions? And then no one has been able to provide an answer because tooth decay which is really caused by bacteria.
and what would you feed a tooth decay bacteria to make it big and strong?
I mean honestly, its beneficial to replace ultra processed foods with whole sources but sugar in the context of a wholesome diet is in no way bad.
agreed
I generally brush my teeth with a flouride toothpaste, floss and use mouthwash.. basic hygiene really with help with tooth decay.
Another question (was thinking over dinner), which foods do you think people typically overeat?0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
From the chart's author -
Refined carbohydrate and sugar are certainly part of the cause of the obesity epidemic, but these data are consistent with a large body of research suggesting that there's more to the story. Obesity is caused by a number of interacting diet and lifestyle factors, most of which can be traced back to major socioeconomic changes in this country over the last century. These have affected the way we interact with food, the composition of our food, and other aspects of our lifestyle that cause genetically susceptible people to gain fat.
That is all I'm saying.
No, that is not all you are saying. You repeatedly group all carbs together and ignore the issues with respect to other foods that may be contained in excessive amounts in lower carb diets. You also ignore the evidence that many extremely healthy traditional diets are as or higher in carbs than the SAD. The SAD is not a good diet, but the percentage of carbs is the least of it (it's also considered a high fat diet still, btw, although that also is not significant -- the particular carbs and fats and even proteins that make it up is the issue).
But you, you decide that apples should be included as "garbage." No credible nutrition scientist will agree with that.
And you have knowingly and repeatedly have mistated my words and created new statements that I did not make.
You mean like when you stated that sugar causes medical conditions? And then no one has been able to provide an answer because tooth decay which is really caused by bacteria.
and what would you feed a tooth decay bacteria to make it big and strong?
I mean honestly, its beneficial to replace ultra processed foods with whole sources but sugar in the context of a wholesome diet is in no way bad.
agreed
I generally brush my teeth with a flouride toothpaste, floss and use mouthwash.. basic hygiene really with help with tooth decay.
Another question (was thinking over dinner), which foods do you think people typically overeat?
Honestly, all of them. Portion sizes are far beyond sustenance levels.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »
From the chart's author -
Refined carbohydrate and sugar are certainly part of the cause of the obesity epidemic, but these data are consistent with a large body of research suggesting that there's more to the story. Obesity is caused by a number of interacting diet and lifestyle factors, most of which can be traced back to major socioeconomic changes in this country over the last century. These have affected the way we interact with food, the composition of our food, and other aspects of our lifestyle that cause genetically susceptible people to gain fat.
That is all I'm saying.
No, that is not all you are saying. You repeatedly group all carbs together and ignore the issues with respect to other foods that may be contained in excessive amounts in lower carb diets. You also ignore the evidence that many extremely healthy traditional diets are as or higher in carbs than the SAD. The SAD is not a good diet, but the percentage of carbs is the least of it (it's also considered a high fat diet still, btw, although that also is not significant -- the particular carbs and fats and even proteins that make it up is the issue).
But you, you decide that apples should be included as "garbage." No credible nutrition scientist will agree with that.
And you have knowingly and repeatedly have mistated my words and created new statements that I did not make.
You mean like when you stated that sugar causes medical conditions? And then no one has been able to provide an answer because tooth decay which is really caused by bacteria.
and what would you feed a tooth decay bacteria to make it big and strong?
I mean honestly, its beneficial to replace ultra processed foods with whole sources but sugar in the context of a wholesome diet is in no way bad.
agreed
I generally brush my teeth with a flouride toothpaste, floss and use mouthwash.. basic hygiene really with help with tooth decay.
Another question (was thinking over dinner), which foods do you think people typically overeat?
Honestly, all of them. Portion sizes are far beyond sustenance levels.
Thats exactly what many have been saying. So why identify sugar as one of the main culprits as noted previously?
Generally, i hear cookies, cake, ice cream, and pizza identified and we are quick to point at the carbs but ratherly the associated fats (fats, in many cases outweigh the carbs calorically). And because of this, i keep seeing people not learning from the mistakes of our past (i.e - fat is bad).
Because of this, there are far many other things i worry about more than sugar and/or carbs.... overall calories and exercise being the biggest ones. And that is what i would suggest as first steps with almost every person who ask for advice. Those are the two, more identified, things correlated to medical issues to include T2, obesity and so much more. Rarely, if ever, are specific macronutrients identified as a real cause of issues. And more times than not people are too busy looking at the trees that they dont see the forest which generally makes things more complicated long term.
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@psulemon get out of here with all your sensibleness. How could you possibly insinuate that people don't get fat from eating too much sugar, that they get fat because they ate too many carbs, too many fats, and too many proteins?? <j/k>0
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blankiefinder wrote: »@psulemon get out of here with all your sensibleness. How could you possibly insinuate that people don't get fat from eating too much sugar, that they get fat because they ate too many carbs, too many fats, and too many proteins?? <j/k>
You're right, i will leave quietly.0 -
blankiefinder wrote: »@psulemon get out of here with all your sensibleness. How could you possibly insinuate that people don't get fat from eating too much sugar, that they get fat because they ate too many carbs, too many fats, and too many proteins?? <j/k>
You're right, i will leave quietly.
You'd better be quiet on your way out, if you wake the baby up, your wife might kill you
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blankiefinder wrote: »@psulemon get out of here with all your sensibleness. How could you possibly insinuate that people don't get fat from eating too much sugar, that they get fat because they ate too many carbs, too many fats, and too many proteins?? <j/k>
It sells a lot more books and products if you use pseudoscience and cherry-picked facts to demonize a particular food/nutrient/food group and insinuate that you have the "secret" to health, weight loss, etc.0 -
blankiefinder wrote: »@psulemon get out of here with all your sensibleness. How could you possibly insinuate that people don't get fat from eating too much sugar, that they get fat because they ate too many carbs, too many fats, and too many proteins?? <j/k>
It sells a lot more books and products if you use pseudoscience and cherry-picked facts to demonize a particular food/nutrient/food group and insinuate that you have the "secret" to health, weight loss, etc.
I agree, I've made similar comments before as well. Just like the headlines on magazines are designed to sell. Quick fix! Lose 10 pounds next week, learn how inside! (reminds me of mfp's blog). Quick fix = quick yoyo. Make changes you can sustain for a lifetime, and learn the tools that will enable you to get back on track as soon as you start to go astray.
Sugar is just the next in line, after 'wheat belly', which followed 'eggs', 'fat', 'margarine instead of butter!' aka 'ooh, dairy makes you fat' etc etc.
Sorry, eating too many calories made us fat.0 -
edited sorry0
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motivccess wrote: »
Who knows? Maybe they assume most of us aren't getting much sugar from fruit, veg, or dairy, which is likely wrong in many cases.0 -
blankiefinder wrote: »blankiefinder wrote: »@psulemon get out of here with all your sensibleness. How could you possibly insinuate that people don't get fat from eating too much sugar, that they get fat because they ate too many carbs, too many fats, and too many proteins?? <j/k>
It sells a lot more books and products if you use pseudoscience and cherry-picked facts to demonize a particular food/nutrient/food group and insinuate that you have the "secret" to health, weight loss, etc.
I agree, I've made similar comments before as well. Just like the headlines on magazines are designed to sell. Quick fix! Lose 10 pounds next week, learn how inside! (reminds me of mfp's blog). Quick fix = quick yoyo. Make changes you can sustain for a lifetime, and learn the tools that will enable you to get back on track as soon as you start to go astray.
Sugar is just the next in line, after 'wheat belly', which followed 'eggs', 'fat', 'margarine instead of butter!' aka 'ooh, dairy makes you fat' etc etc.
Sorry, eating too many calories made us fat.
Not to mention that so many people equal the management technique with the cause of diabetes/IR. Just because reducing carbs helps manage the problem does not mean that it was caused by eating too many.0 -
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blankiefinder wrote: »blankiefinder wrote: »@psulemon get out of here with all your sensibleness. How could you possibly insinuate that people don't get fat from eating too much sugar, that they get fat because they ate too many carbs, too many fats, and too many proteins?? <j/k>
It sells a lot more books and products if you use pseudoscience and cherry-picked facts to demonize a particular food/nutrient/food group and insinuate that you have the "secret" to health, weight loss, etc.
I agree, I've made similar comments before as well. Just like the headlines on magazines are designed to sell. Quick fix! Lose 10 pounds next week, learn how inside! (reminds me of mfp's blog). Quick fix = quick yoyo. Make changes you can sustain for a lifetime, and learn the tools that will enable you to get back on track as soon as you start to go astray.
Sugar is just the next in line, after 'wheat belly', which followed 'eggs', 'fat', 'margarine instead of butter!' aka 'ooh, dairy makes you fat' etc etc.
Sorry, eating too many calories made us fat.
Not to mention that so many people equal the management technique with the cause of diabetes/IR. Just because reducing carbs helps manage the problem does not mean that it was caused by eating too many.
Yes, I notice this too all the time and like to point out that it is not listed as a cause.
I wonder how many people think peanut allergies are caused by eating peanuts.0 -
Thanks to all of you smart people0
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I regularly go over my sugar goal due to natural sugars in food but not normally in one serving of yoghurt and one apple. Perhaps just choose yoghurts without added sugar? If you like it sweet you can add your own so you know how much you are getting in each serve.
I think the big difference between sugar in a piece of fruit and just plain sugar is that the sugar in the fruit also gets delivered to the body with fibre and is way more filling. 'That Sugar Film' is a great movie which really opens your eyes to added sugar in 'health' foods. It might help you. Good luck!0 -
I regularly go over my sugar goal due to natural sugars in food but not normally in one serving of yoghurt and one apple. Perhaps just choose yoghurts without added sugar? If you like it sweet you can add your own so you know how much you are getting in each serve.
I think the big difference between sugar in a piece of fruit and just plain sugar is that the sugar in the fruit also gets delivered to the body with fibre and is way more filling. 'That Sugar Film' is a great movie which really opens your eyes to added sugar in 'health' foods. It might help you. Good luck!
@Jodi2101 Welcome to MFP forums.
I think most people agree eating 10 grams of sugar by eating apples, bananas, grapes, etc would be much better than eating 10 grams of sugar by eating donuts for the good reasons you state. Yet for some reason it is the stuff with added sugar that grabs our attention so.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »I regularly go over my sugar goal due to natural sugars in food but not normally in one serving of yoghurt and one apple. Perhaps just choose yoghurts without added sugar? If you like it sweet you can add your own so you know how much you are getting in each serve.
I think the big difference between sugar in a piece of fruit and just plain sugar is that the sugar in the fruit also gets delivered to the body with fibre and is way more filling. 'That Sugar Film' is a great movie which really opens your eyes to added sugar in 'health' foods. It might help you. Good luck!
@Jodi2101 Welcome to MFP forums.
I think most people agree eating 10 grams of sugar by eating apples, bananas, grapes, etc would be much better than eating 10 grams of sugar by eating donuts for the good reasons you state. Yet for some reason it is the stuff with added sugar that grabs our attention so.
Sugar = sugar
Not sure why that is such a hard concept to grasp...0 -
I regularly go over my sugar goal due to natural sugars in food but not normally in one serving of yoghurt and one apple. Perhaps just choose yoghurts without added sugar? If you like it sweet you can add your own so you know how much you are getting in each serve.
I think the big difference between sugar in a piece of fruit and just plain sugar is that the sugar in the fruit also gets delivered to the body with fibre and is way more filling. 'That Sugar Film' is a great movie which really opens your eyes to added sugar in 'health' foods. It might help you. Good luck!
Fiber does not change the fact that sugar = sugar
What if one gets fiber from a different source?0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »I regularly go over my sugar goal due to natural sugars in food but not normally in one serving of yoghurt and one apple. Perhaps just choose yoghurts without added sugar? If you like it sweet you can add your own so you know how much you are getting in each serve.
I think the big difference between sugar in a piece of fruit and just plain sugar is that the sugar in the fruit also gets delivered to the body with fibre and is way more filling. 'That Sugar Film' is a great movie which really opens your eyes to added sugar in 'health' foods. It might help you. Good luck!
@Jodi2101 Welcome to MFP forums.
I think most people agree eating 10 grams of sugar by eating apples, bananas, grapes, etc would be much better than eating 10 grams of sugar by eating donuts for the good reasons you state. Yet for some reason it is the stuff with added sugar that grabs our attention so.
Pretty much comes down to fear mongering and not looking at a diet in context.. no different than the past 20 years in regards to fat.0 -
@ndj1979 I'm not sure what your question is? I never said sugar doesn't equal sugar. I just included the fibre part with eating whole fruit because it makes you feel full. It's hard to eat 8 apples in one hit but an apple juice made with 8 apples is a lot easier because the skin/fibre has been removed. Making it easy to have a little too much sugar and therefore calories.0
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