Vegruary anyone?
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PrizePopple wrote: »ElizabethOakes2 wrote: »Wow. So much negativity in this thread!
Yo, vegans: Eating vegan is not the same as practicing vegan lifestyle. Why the negative nastiness here? No one has to think, believe, or even eat the same way you do in order to do one or the other. You don't get to determine what's better for anyone else, nor are you allowed to dictate how they feel or what they believe.
Angel- Give it a shot and see if it works for you! Some people can go without any animal products in their diets, and some can't.
(I tried to eat vegan and got very sick- turns out I can't digest soy at all. Who knew?)
Why are you directing your comment to vegans? I think the more "negative" comments are coming from non-vegans. At least, I'm pretty sure they're non-vegans, could be wrong. You read enough vegan threads, and you'll see that most of the comments come from non-vegans.
And, technically, the term vegan was specifically coined to separate it from vegetarianism and to carry with it an ethical standpoint. Hence the comments about lifestyle. Otherwise, the term plant-based diet tends to be used.
We are phasing out foods with palm oil because my daughter, for being only 8 years old, did quite a bit of research on it and what damage it does to animal habitats. She got to the point where she began refusing to eat things with palm oil, and it's in everydamnthing. I can't turn down a well researched ethical stance. If she didn't like cheese so much, I'd imagine she'd one day be vegan. :laugh:
That's amazing that at 8 years old she took it upon herself to do that. Yes, the destruction that palm oil harvesting causes is appalling. It seems that over the past few years it HAS been added to everything. A friend of mine has started making her own vegan butter, since the commercial brands have palm oil. I don't love butter enough to do that.0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Yes I am not vegan. It would be impossible as I am on a med made with mouse proteins that has saved my life and the only reason I haven't had my large and part of my small intestine removed. Also my body can handle only bananas, apple sauce, potatoes, sweet potatoes, pureed cooked carrots and squash for fruits and vegetables. Also can't eat nuts, seeds and legumes and am low residue, low fibre so yeah basically I'd be living on white bread, white pasta, white rice and my few safe veggies and fruit so not possible.
I don't think your posts were "negative" (though they seem a bit defensive). So, you weren't really a poster I was referring to when responding to the PP and her comment to the "vegans."0 -
PrizePopple wrote: »ElizabethOakes2 wrote: »Wow. So much negativity in this thread!
Yo, vegans: Eating vegan is not the same as practicing vegan lifestyle. Why the negative nastiness here? No one has to think, believe, or even eat the same way you do in order to do one or the other. You don't get to determine what's better for anyone else, nor are you allowed to dictate how they feel or what they believe.
Angel- Give it a shot and see if it works for you! Some people can go without any animal products in their diets, and some can't. (I tried to eat vegan and got very sick- turns out I can't digest soy at all. Who knew?)
Why are you directing your comment to vegans? I think the more "negative" comments are coming from non-vegans. At least, I'm pretty sure they're non-vegans, could be wrong. You read enough vegan threads, and you'll see that most of the comments come from non-vegans.
And, technically, the term vegan was specifically coined to separate it from vegetarianism and to carry with it an ethical standpoint. Hence the comments about lifestyle. Otherwise, the term plant-based diet tends to be used.
We are phasing out foods with palm oil because my daughter, for being only 8 years old, did quite a bit of research on it and what damage it does to animal habitats. She got to the point where she began refusing to eat things with palm oil, and it's in everydamnthing. I can't turn down a well researched ethical stance. If she didn't like cheese so much, I'd imagine she'd one day be vegan. :laugh:
Good for her! The palm oil trade it terrible
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PrizePopple wrote: »ElizabethOakes2 wrote: »Wow. So much negativity in this thread!
Yo, vegans: Eating vegan is not the same as practicing vegan lifestyle. Why the negative nastiness here? No one has to think, believe, or even eat the same way you do in order to do one or the other. You don't get to determine what's better for anyone else, nor are you allowed to dictate how they feel or what they believe.
Angel- Give it a shot and see if it works for you! Some people can go without any animal products in their diets, and some can't. (I tried to eat vegan and got very sick- turns out I can't digest soy at all. Who knew?)
Why are you directing your comment to vegans? I think the more "negative" comments are coming from non-vegans. At least, I'm pretty sure they're non-vegans, could be wrong. You read enough vegan threads, and you'll see that most of the comments come from non-vegans.
And, technically, the term vegan was specifically coined to separate it from vegetarianism and to carry with it an ethical standpoint. Hence the comments about lifestyle. Otherwise, the term plant-based diet tends to be used.
We are phasing out foods with palm oil because my daughter, for being only 8 years old, did quite a bit of research on it and what damage it does to animal habitats. She got to the point where she began refusing to eat things with palm oil, and it's in everydamnthing. I can't turn down a well researched ethical stance. If she didn't like cheese so much, I'd imagine she'd one day be vegan. :laugh:
That's amazing that at 8 years old she took it upon herself to do that. Yes, the destruction that palm oil harvesting causes is appalling. It seems that over the past few years it HAS been added to everything. A friend of mine has started making her own vegan butter, since the commercial brands have palm oil. I don't love butter enough to do that.
Don't ever mention sea otters or river otters in front of her, or she will go on quite the emotional rant about what humans have done to them. She's currently debating on what endangered animal to "adopt" next.
I just saw that my Milano cookies have palm oil, as does the Rapunzel Vegetable Bouillon I used in our dinner. *sigh*0 -
PrizePopple wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »ElizabethOakes2 wrote: »Wow. So much negativity in this thread!
Yo, vegans: Eating vegan is not the same as practicing vegan lifestyle. Why the negative nastiness here? No one has to think, believe, or even eat the same way you do in order to do one or the other. You don't get to determine what's better for anyone else, nor are you allowed to dictate how they feel or what they believe.
Angel- Give it a shot and see if it works for you! Some people can go without any animal products in their diets, and some can't. (I tried to eat vegan and got very sick- turns out I can't digest soy at all. Who knew?)
Why are you directing your comment to vegans? I think the more "negative" comments are coming from non-vegans. At least, I'm pretty sure they're non-vegans, could be wrong. You read enough vegan threads, and you'll see that most of the comments come from non-vegans.
And, technically, the term vegan was specifically coined to separate it from vegetarianism and to carry with it an ethical standpoint. Hence the comments about lifestyle. Otherwise, the term plant-based diet tends to be used.
We are phasing out foods with palm oil because my daughter, for being only 8 years old, did quite a bit of research on it and what damage it does to animal habitats. She got to the point where she began refusing to eat things with palm oil, and it's in everydamnthing. I can't turn down a well researched ethical stance. If she didn't like cheese so much, I'd imagine she'd one day be vegan. :laugh:
That's amazing that at 8 years old she took it upon herself to do that. Yes, the destruction that palm oil harvesting causes is appalling. It seems that over the past few years it HAS been added to everything. A friend of mine has started making her own vegan butter, since the commercial brands have palm oil. I don't love butter enough to do that.
Don't ever mention sea otters or river otters in front of her, or she will go on quite the emotional rant about what humans have done to them. She's currently debating on what endangered animal to "adopt" next.
I just saw that my Milano cookies have palm oil, as does the Rapunzel Vegetable Bouillon I used in our dinner. *sigh*
Good for her. And it's nice you support her.0 -
PrizePopple wrote: »PrizePopple wrote: »ElizabethOakes2 wrote: »Wow. So much negativity in this thread!
Yo, vegans: Eating vegan is not the same as practicing vegan lifestyle. Why the negative nastiness here? No one has to think, believe, or even eat the same way you do in order to do one or the other. You don't get to determine what's better for anyone else, nor are you allowed to dictate how they feel or what they believe.
Angel- Give it a shot and see if it works for you! Some people can go without any animal products in their diets, and some can't. (I tried to eat vegan and got very sick- turns out I can't digest soy at all. Who knew?)
Why are you directing your comment to vegans? I think the more "negative" comments are coming from non-vegans. At least, I'm pretty sure they're non-vegans, could be wrong. You read enough vegan threads, and you'll see that most of the comments come from non-vegans.
And, technically, the term vegan was specifically coined to separate it from vegetarianism and to carry with it an ethical standpoint. Hence the comments about lifestyle. Otherwise, the term plant-based diet tends to be used.
We are phasing out foods with palm oil because my daughter, for being only 8 years old, did quite a bit of research on it and what damage it does to animal habitats. She got to the point where she began refusing to eat things with palm oil, and it's in everydamnthing. I can't turn down a well researched ethical stance. If she didn't like cheese so much, I'd imagine she'd one day be vegan. :laugh:
That's amazing that at 8 years old she took it upon herself to do that. Yes, the destruction that palm oil harvesting causes is appalling. It seems that over the past few years it HAS been added to everything. A friend of mine has started making her own vegan butter, since the commercial brands have palm oil. I don't love butter enough to do that.
Don't ever mention sea otters or river otters in front of her, or she will go on quite the emotional rant about what humans have done to them. She's currently debating on what endangered animal to "adopt" next.
I just saw that my Milano cookies have palm oil, as does the Rapunzel Vegetable Bouillon I used in our dinner. *sigh*
The dolphins! Oh, the dolphins.
And I'm not making fun. I'm a bleeding heart and sometimes I'm surprised I'm not vegan.0 -
Good for her. And it's nice you support her.
Her first solo animal adoption was matched price-wise by my husband.
The dolphins! Oh, the dolphins.
And I'm not making fun. I'm a bleeding heart and sometimes I'm surprised I'm not vegan.
I think she's leaning towards whales a bit after looking into whaling practices, but the whole tuna and dolphin net fishing thing sketches her out hard, so it might not take much to convince her to adopt dolphins. :P0 -
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Lol um ok. I only ever made glycerin soap, and I use acrylic yarn! How did you know? Are you following me? Lol I couldn't afford the uh wool anyways and never used it. But thanks.PrizePopple wrote: »So uh, that soap you like to make ... it's going to be vegan as well, right? And your crocheting is going to be strictly acrylic yarn?
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ElizabethOakes2 wrote: »Wow. So much negativity in this thread!
Yo, vegans: Eating vegan is not the same as practicing vegan lifestyle. Why the negative nastiness here? No one has to think, believe, or even eat the same way you do in order to do one or the other. You don't get to determine what's better for anyone else, nor are you allowed to dictate how they feel or what they believe.
Angel- Give it a shot and see if it works for you! Some people can go without any animal products in their diets, and some can't. (I tried to eat vegan and got very sick- turns out I can't digest soy at all. Who knew?)
Thank you! I cannot eat soy either! But I will do my best!0 -
oyChihuahua wrote: »Might check this group out for specific advice, etc.: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/45-happy-herbivores
Best of luck to you!
I like this group but how do I I join it? There is no join group button?
As well if you would like to friend request me bc I cannot add anyone or send a message from here please do!
Thank you to all the well wishers and I hope you have a blessed day.0 -
angelexperiment wrote: »oyChihuahua wrote: »Might check this group out for specific advice, etc.: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/45-happy-herbivores
Best of luck to you!
I like this group but how do I I join it? There is no join group button?
As well if you would like to friend request me bc I cannot add anyone or send a message from here please do!
Thank you to all the well wishers and I hope you have a blessed day.
Looks like an open group. Post away.0 -
I think it's the whole trial of veganism which many understand to be an ethical decision...how does one trial an ethical decision? That's rather confounding
Also the January version of trialling veganism did not pass unnoticed ...I recall a couple of threads
OP your body your life but theoretically there's a dissonance in the concept of reaching an ethical decision and then 'giving it a go' rather than committing and I believe that's what people are reading and reacting to0 -
I think it's a great idea to try out the vegan lifestyle for a month. Why not?
Personally, I've felt more satisfied than ever with my new vegan choices, so I can only recommend it. The food will make you feel great (if you eat enough.)0 -
Vegetarian of 27 years here (since age 13) no meat no fish for ethical reasons.
No way I could even trial a vegan diet, I've seen people get so sick on it but illness took longer to show than a month.
I think that sort of diet is so strict that one would need the great strength of their feelings and ethics to stick to it and a lot of time and effort required to source a wide range of food that fits into a vegan diet.
I personally do not object to eating dairy, or eggs as that's what the animals naturally produce, I just ensure that I get that produce from sources where the animals are not mistreated in the production I.e. Free range etc.
Hope your trial goes well and will be interested to hear how you get on and what you thought of it.
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hamstertango wrote: »Vegetarian of 27 years here (since age 13) no meat no fish for ethical reasons.
No way I could even trial a vegan diet, I've seen people get so sick on it but illness took longer to show than a month.
I think that sort of diet is so strict that one would need the great strength of their feelings and ethics to stick to it and a lot of time and effort required to source a wide range of food that fits into a vegan diet.
I personally do not object to eating dairy, or eggs as that's what the animals naturally produce, I just ensure that I get that produce from sources where the animals are not mistreated in the production I.e. Free range etc.
Hope your trial goes well and will be interested to hear how you get on and what you thought of it.
I'm not going to get into a debate about the "naturalness" of factory farm practices in the U.S. and some other countries that are adopting our practices. However, I do think it's important to point out that "free range" is fairly meaningless in terms of how the animals are treated. It's more of a marketing ploy than anything that makes much of a real difference. The one thing that a person could hope for is that if the market shows enough demand for "free range" maybe it will push producers to even better practices.
Depending on where a person lives, and if they're interested, they may be able to find local producers who allow people to visit their farms. I also know Whole Foods now has a rating system based on the treatment of animals. I don't know anything about it or whether it's reliable, but it may also be something to look into.0 -
I hope you go for it. You won't know how easy or hard it is for you until you give it a go. I think a trial period is a great idea. You can stick with it for a month and then evaluate whether to keep going or make some changes. You'll probably need to focus on this way of eating at first, and then it should get easier. It sounds like you're ready!0
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hamstertango wrote: »Vegetarian of 27 years here (since age 13) no meat no fish for ethical reasons.
No way I could even trial a vegan diet, I've seen people get so sick on it but illness took longer to show than a month.
I think that sort of diet is so strict that one would need the great strength of their feelings and ethics to stick to it and a lot of time and effort required to source a wide range of food that fits into a vegan diet.
I personally do not object to eating dairy, or eggs as that's what the animals naturally produce, I just ensure that I get that produce from sources where the animals are not mistreated in the production I.e. Free range etc.
Hope your trial goes well and will be interested to hear how you get on and what you thought of it.
However, I do think it's important to point out that "free range" is fairly meaningless in terms of how the animals are treated. It's more of a marketing ploy than anything that makes much of a real difference.
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Seems like you got a lot of negative comments which is unfortunate! Back off people! If she wants to try something out of her comfort zone this should be a place of support. There are many types of vegetarians/vegans out there so if she wants to try the diet side of it lets not jump down her throat about her cosmetics and clothing. Support her in taking a big step in just the diet part which can be hard enough. I am a vegetarian and have been for years, and I never jump down people's throat on what they eat or how they live, I commend you on taking a healthy step, everyone starts somewhere, I wish you all the luck!!!0
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Seems like you got a lot of negative comments which is unfortunate! Back off people! If she wants to try something out of her comfort zone this should be a place of support. There are many types of vegetarians/vegans out there so if she wants to try the diet side of it lets not jump down her throat about her cosmetics and clothing. Support her in taking a big step in just the diet part which can be hard enough. I am a vegetarian and have been for years, and I never jump down people's throat on what they eat or how they live, I commend you on taking a healthy step, everyone starts somewhere, I wish you all the luck!!!
Seems like you perceive negativity when there are simply relevant concepts raised for discussion. Perhaps you should take your own advice.
As for a 'healthy step' - there is nothing innately healthy in the vegan diet over any other diet, it is in fact far harder to reach nutritional requirements and requires immense effort and knowledge. Although there are many vegans on MFP the lifestyle (and it truly is a lifestyle unlike most WOE) is not a 'weight loss strategy' but an ethical / life decision.0 -
Seems like you got a lot of negative comments which is unfortunate! Back off people! If she wants to try something out of her comfort zone this should be a place of support. There are many types of vegetarians/vegans out there so if she wants to try the diet side of it lets not jump down her throat about her cosmetics and clothing. Support her in taking a big step in just the diet part which can be hard enough. I am a vegetarian and have been for years, and I never jump down people's throat on what they eat or how they live, I commend you on taking a healthy step, everyone starts somewhere, I wish you all the luck!!!
Seems like you perceive negativity when there are simply relevant concepts raised for discussion. Perhaps you should take your own advice.
As for a 'healthy step' - there is nothing innately healthy in the vegan diet over any other diet, it is in fact far harder to reach nutritional requirements and requires immense effort and knowledge. Although there are many vegans on MFP the lifestyle (and it truly is a lifestyle unlike most WOE) is not a 'weight loss strategy' but an ethical / life decision.
All I'm saying is if she wants to try something we should show her support rather than try and "educate" her as if she hasn't done any research. I am sure she can do all of that on her own. If people really believe in this lifestyle I would imagine you all started somewhere and maybe this is her starting ground. Some things are easier for people than others and some people have to tackle one thing at a time so maybe diet is her first step. Just saying we should kindly support or just move one of you don't. I don't understand people getting into crazy debates online, we're all here on our own journies trying to figure out what works best for us, let's just try and stay positive. ✌️0 -
Seems like you got a lot of negative comments which is unfortunate! Back off people! If she wants to try something out of her comfort zone this should be a place of support. There are many types of vegetarians/vegans out there so if she wants to try the diet side of it lets not jump down her throat about her cosmetics and clothing. Support her in taking a big step in just the diet part which can be hard enough. I am a vegetarian and have been for years, and I never jump down people's throat on what they eat or how they live, I commend you on taking a healthy step, everyone starts somewhere, I wish you all the luck!!!
Seems like you perceive negativity when there are simply relevant concepts raised for discussion. Perhaps you should take your own advice.
As for a 'healthy step' - there is nothing innately healthy in the vegan diet over any other diet, it is in fact far harder to reach nutritional requirements and requires immense effort and knowledge. Although there are many vegans on MFP the lifestyle (and it truly is a lifestyle unlike most WOE) is not a 'weight loss strategy' but an ethical / life decision.
All I'm saying is if she wants to try something we should show her support rather than try and "educate" her as if she hasn't done any research. I am sure she can do all of that on her own. If people really believe in this lifestyle I would imagine you all started somewhere and maybe this is her starting ground. Some things are easier for people than others and some people have to tackle one thing at a time so maybe diet is her first step. Just saying we should kindly support or just move one of you don't. I don't understand people getting into crazy debates online, we're all here on our own journies trying to figure out what works best for us, let's just try and stay positive. ✌️
Nobody is being unsupportive, this board is for "General Help and Advice" - Motivation and Support is down a bit
And to be honest, and not wishing to unduly rain on your parade here, but we don't all like or respond to supportive cheers as the default response. In fact I'm personally here for the crazy debates because they keep me focused, interested and stretch my knowledge.
If anybody whoops me ...well just don't ok?
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angelexperiment wrote: »I only started this thread to see if anyone else was going to try it as was pored numerous threads in January as veganuary. Nobody gave them a hard time. I do know what being a vegan is. I do know you can be a junk food vegan. I do know about products and clothing ( which I already use, I do not own animal clothing, I do not have any leather. I do not use any animal tested products or things with animal products in them for quite some time now. But thanks for your concern.
I am doing it for myself. And a way to completely motivate myself is to challenge myself. If I feel I cannot commit I will be vegetarian as I had been one before. I have had a feeling this is what I need to do. I especially felt the need knowing the truth of what happens to animals.
I only was seeking support from other like minded people.
I support you! Also just added you don't get discouraged! 0 -
When it comes to an ethical decision about animal products, you're all in or all out, right? I mean, how do you decide to go back to eating and using animal products after deciding that that's unethical?
I'm really confused by that.
I was a vegan for a few years. The more I learned, the less food choices I had (I practically lived on TVP!) At the time, supermarkets were dipping apples in beef fat to make them shiny so even fruit was limited, and as for wine - curse you finings made from fish swim bladders!
My decision to go back to a more omnivorous diet was prompted by a holiday in Corfu. All the food labels were written in Greek and I couldn't understand them. In my head, that translated to "eat all the bacon" :-)0 -
OP. Cool idea. My diet consists of mainly veggies already.0
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CurlyCockney wrote: »When it comes to an ethical decision about animal products, you're all in or all out, right? I mean, how do you decide to go back to eating and using animal products after deciding that that's unethical?
I'm really confused by that.
I was a vegan for a few years. The more I learned, the less food choices I had (I practically lived on TVP!) At the time, supermarkets were dipping apples in beef fat to make them shiny so even fruit was limited, and as for wine - curse you finings made from fish swim bladders!
My decision to go back to a more omnivorous diet was prompted by a holiday in Corfu. All the food labels were written in Greek and I couldn't understand them. In my head, that translated to "eat all the bacon" :-)
Vegan thread took 2 pages to get to mention of bacon
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singingflutelady wrote: »Sorry one of my meds is made using mouse proteins and I don't want to go off it so no veganism for me
Veganism is avoiding animal products to the extent that it is possible. You wouldn't have to give up your medicine to become vegan.0 -
Hehehe most of my vegetarian and vegan friends missed bacon the most. There were nowhere near as many vegan options for food in the early '80s as there are now.0
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angelexperiment wrote: »Hi I am trying out vegan for the month of feb bc I couldn't commit in Jan. But I am ready! Anybody else?
Why are you "trying out" veganism? It is not a way of eating (that is vegetarianism) it is a way of life where you use no animal products, in any form. No meat, eggs, or dairy; no silk, wool, or leather; no honey or beeswax; nothing made from or made by animals.0
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