Why Calories In and Calories Out... It really ISN'T that simple.....
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nuttynanners wrote: »Ooooh, I wouldn't say a single word against CICO on MFP.....
As much as I agree that higher quality foods are going to be better for weight loss in the long run, MFP forums are not the place for that kind of thinking. They just don't want see it from that perspective.
I have yet to see one person on this site advocate eating nothing but candy, chips and soda. But people like Hyman and Oz are selling snake oil, nothing more, and there's absolutely no reason why you can't have some candy, chips or soda in moderation and still lose weight and be healthy.
CICO isn't a fad diet, it's grounded in science and math which makes it fact, not opinion or faith, and is the only method that is guaranteed to work. And it's free. And you don't need a guest spot on Dr. Oz to hawk it.
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »The same Dr Hyman that supported the withdrawn paper on the link between vaccine and autism?
Discredited.
And that's enough for me to add him to my 'wouldn't touch with a ten-foot bargepole' list.0 -
GROAN. CICO is KING. You can eat 30 apples a day and gain weight even though they are healthy. You can eat 1000 calories of ice cream every day and lose weight even thought it's not a healthy choice. Nutrition is another issue entirely but CICO is undisputed.cwolfman13 wrote: »Calories In and Calories Out is by far the most important element to weight loss and weight management in general...nutrition is another matter entirely....
Oh...and as an aside...
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO for reals, huh?0 -
YES!TheBeachgod wrote: »calories ≠ nutrition
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nuttynanners wrote: »Ooooh, I wouldn't say a single word against CICO on MFP.....
As much as I agree that higher quality foods are going to be better for weight loss in the long run, MFP forums are not the place for that kind of thinking. They just don't want see it from that perspective.
Seriously? I wouldn't say a single word against CICO on MFP because it's what works.
And, weirdly enough, it's possible to understand that weight loss is a function of CICO, implement that strategy, and *also* meet one's nutritional needs.0 -
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
....but it really is
God I could not think of anything more ghastly0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »nuttynanners wrote: »Ooooh, I wouldn't say a single word against CICO on MFP.....
As much as I agree that higher quality foods are going to be better for weight loss in the long run, MFP forums are not the place for that kind of thinking. They just don't want see it from that perspective.
Seriously? I wouldn't say a single word against CICO on MFP because it's what works.
And, weirdly enough, it's possible to understand that weight loss is a function of CICO, implement that strategy, and *also* meet one's nutritional needs.
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nuttynanners wrote: »Ooooh, I wouldn't say a single word against CICO on MFP.....
As much as I agree that higher quality foods are going to be better for weight loss in the long run, MFP forums are not the place for that kind of thinking. They just don't want see it from that perspective.
I'm not sure what eating a high quality diet has to do with CICO?
I've yet to see someone on here saying that long term eating for health and function is best done on a low quality diet. CICO is an equation for weight loss - it doesn't, by itself, address satiety, long-term adherence or mental/physical condition. Working on those doesn't negate CICO.0 -
No joke! But it proves that if you eat in a deficit you will lose weight. Healthy food or not.robs_ready wrote: »http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
....but it really is
God I could not think of anything more ghastly
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and everyone just falls into the same old trap...then rehash the same thing over and over and over.0
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So, did the OP bail? That's too bad. So much potential to learn how to do things more easily.0
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So he's saying what everyone on here knows already, just because you CAN fit foods into your calorie allowance, doesn't mean it's healthy.
He says foods like Broccoli digest slowly and the total calorie intake is less than processed food, which everybody here already knows.
Failing to see where the new information is?0 -
notnikkisixx wrote: »nuttynanners wrote: »Ooooh, I wouldn't say a single word against CICO on MFP.....
As much as I agree that higher quality foods are going to be better for weight loss in the long run, MFP forums are not the place for that kind of thinking. They just don't want see it from that perspective.
In my experience, CICO was the best place for me to start. I had a lot of bad habits to break and the thought of completely overhauling my lifestyle all at once was too daunting. A few months of eating the foods I wanted, just less of them, and seeing results gave me the encouragement I needed to then pursue healthier eating and make more healthy choices. CICO was the foundation I needed to get me to a place where I could start slowly overhauling my life.
QFT0 -
Tomk652015 wrote: »and everyone just falls into the same old trap...then rehash the same thing over and over and over.
Education is a process of drumming a message over and over.
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If we weren't counting calories, if we were just using our satiety cues as the basis of our diet, things like filling up with fibre filled vegetables and fruits, getting adequate protein and healthy fats, and reducing or even eliminating "junk food" would be MUCH more important. As it is, we have the luxury of knowing how many calories we have consumed, and when to stop eating, regardless of how full we feel or what cravings we are experiencing. Calorie counting makes satiety cues irrelevant.
Separate from this, if you are taking the time to count calories, and especially with the nutrition information we get as part of the process, why anyone wouldn't also try to improve the quality of the food they consume is beyond me.0 -
No joke! But it proves that if you eat in a deficit you will lose weight. Healthy food or not.robs_ready wrote: »http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
....but it really is
God I could not think of anything more ghastly
Absolutely, you've given me a great idea for a macdonalds diet, chicken nuggets anyone?0 -
CICO is simply a tool to help keep your caloric intake where you want it to be. In and of itself, it doesn't tell you how. That part is up to you.
Most people know 250 calories of nuts (or any other wholesome food) is better than 250 calorie donut. But sometimes I want to eat that donut and CICO is a nice tool that allows me to do that while staying within my caloric range.
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mrs_justice wrote: »Dr. Mark Hyman... maker of the movie Fed Up (you need to see it if you haven't) addresses the real reason that NOT ALL CALORIES ARE THE SAME....
Why I will choose....
100 calories of almonds vs. a processed 100 calorie granola bar.......
100 calories of berries vs. 100 calories of sugar added yogurt.......
drhyman.com/blog/2014/04/10/calories-dont-matter/
Without reading this, I've been saying this for years because your body has hormonal responses to food and there are no studies on this. Anytime I say anything I always get yelled at by the IIFYM crowd here, I hardly ever post anymore... because you know, I know nothing and IIFYM = life. Hopefully there is some decent info here!0 -
VanillaGorillaUK wrote: »So he's saying what everyone on here knows already, just because you CAN fit foods into your calorie allowance, doesn't mean it's healthy.
He says foods like Broccoli digest slowly and the total calorie intake is less than processed food, which everybody here already knows.
Failing to see where the new information is?
It's on his shop page with the diet books and detoxes.
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robs_ready wrote: »
No joke! But it proves that if you eat in a deficit you will lose weight. Healthy food or not.robs_ready wrote: »http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
....but it really is
God I could not think of anything more ghastly
Absolutely, you've given me a great idea for a macdonalds diet, chicken nuggets anyone?
Someone beat you to it: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-lose-weight-eating-only-mcdonalds-2015-100 -
Ice-cream helps me hit my calcium goals, how can it be bad?
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Tedebearduff wrote: »mrs_justice wrote: »Dr. Mark Hyman... maker of the movie Fed Up (you need to see it if you haven't) addresses the real reason that NOT ALL CALORIES ARE THE SAME....
Why I will choose....
100 calories of almonds vs. a processed 100 calorie granola bar.......
100 calories of berries vs. 100 calories of sugar added yogurt.......
drhyman.com/blog/2014/04/10/calories-dont-matter/
Without reading this, I've been saying this for years because your body has hormonal responses to food and there are no studies on this. Anytime I say anything I always get yelled at by the IIFYM crowd here, I hardly ever post anymore... because you know, I know nothing and IIFYM = life. Hopefully there is some decent info here!
Hormonal responses do NOT overrule the laws of nature.
Hormonal responses do NOT overrule the laws of nature.
Hormonal responses do NOT overrule the laws of nature.
Hormonal responses do NOT overrule the laws of nature.
Hormonal responses do NOT overrule the laws of nature.
If I say it often enough it is bound to get through to those people, right?0 -
diannethegeek wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »
No joke! But it proves that if you eat in a deficit you will lose weight. Healthy food or not.robs_ready wrote: »http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
....but it really is
God I could not think of anything more ghastly
Absolutely, you've given me a great idea for a macdonalds diet, chicken nuggets anyone?
Someone beat you to it: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-lose-weight-eating-only-mcdonalds-2015-10
Damn it, KFC then!0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Tedebearduff wrote: »mrs_justice wrote: »Dr. Mark Hyman... maker of the movie Fed Up (you need to see it if you haven't) addresses the real reason that NOT ALL CALORIES ARE THE SAME....
Why I will choose....
100 calories of almonds vs. a processed 100 calorie granola bar.......
100 calories of berries vs. 100 calories of sugar added yogurt.......
drhyman.com/blog/2014/04/10/calories-dont-matter/
Without reading this, I've been saying this for years because your body has hormonal responses to food and there are no studies on this. Anytime I say anything I always get gang banged by the IIFYM crowd here, I hardly ever post anymore... because you know, I know nothing and IIFYM = life. Hopefully there is some decent info here!
Hormonal responses do NOT overrule the laws of nature.
Hormonal responses do NOT overrule the laws of nature.
Hormonal responses do NOT overrule the laws of nature.
Hormonal responses do NOT overrule the laws of nature.
Hormonal responses do NOT overrule the laws of nature.
If I say it often enough it is bound to get through to those people, right?
No because unfortunately people hear/read what they want instead of what is actually being said/typed.0 -
Tedebearduff wrote: »mrs_justice wrote: »Dr. Mark Hyman... maker of the movie Fed Up (you need to see it if you haven't) addresses the real reason that NOT ALL CALORIES ARE THE SAME....
Why I will choose....
100 calories of almonds vs. a processed 100 calorie granola bar.......
100 calories of berries vs. 100 calories of sugar added yogurt.......
drhyman.com/blog/2014/04/10/calories-dont-matter/
Without reading this, I've been saying this for years because your body has hormonal responses to food and there are no studies on this. Anytime I say anything I always get yelled at by the IIFYM crowd here, I hardly ever post anymore... because you know, I know nothing and IIFYM = life. Hopefully there is some decent info here!
So, you're saying that you have knowingly been spreading misinformation which has no basis for belief?
Interesting.
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Tedebearduff wrote: »mrs_justice wrote: »Dr. Mark Hyman... maker of the movie Fed Up (you need to see it if you haven't) addresses the real reason that NOT ALL CALORIES ARE THE SAME....
Why I will choose....
100 calories of almonds vs. a processed 100 calorie granola bar.......
100 calories of berries vs. 100 calories of sugar added yogurt.......
drhyman.com/blog/2014/04/10/calories-dont-matter/
Without reading this, I've been saying this for years because your body has hormonal responses to food and there are no studies on this. Anytime I say anything I always get yelled at by the IIFYM crowd here, I hardly ever post anymore... because you know, I know nothing and IIFYM = life. Hopefully there is some decent info here!
Of course there are studies on hormonal response to food.0 -
robs_ready wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »
No joke! But it proves that if you eat in a deficit you will lose weight. Healthy food or not.robs_ready wrote: »http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
....but it really is
God I could not think of anything more ghastly
Absolutely, you've given me a great idea for a macdonalds diet, chicken nuggets anyone?
Someone beat you to it: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-lose-weight-eating-only-mcdonalds-2015-10
Damn it, KFC then!
Done.
http://www.davejunia.com/2012/08/how-i-lost-7kg-in-a-month-while-eating-kfc/0 -
Tedebearduff wrote: »mrs_justice wrote: »Dr. Mark Hyman... maker of the movie Fed Up (you need to see it if you haven't) addresses the real reason that NOT ALL CALORIES ARE THE SAME....
Why I will choose....
100 calories of almonds vs. a processed 100 calorie granola bar.......
100 calories of berries vs. 100 calories of sugar added yogurt.......
drhyman.com/blog/2014/04/10/calories-dont-matter/
Without reading this, I've been saying this for years because your body has hormonal responses to food and there are no studies on this. Anytime I say anything I always get yelled at by the IIFYM crowd here, I hardly ever post anymore... because you know, I know nothing and IIFYM = life. Hopefully there is some decent info here!
There aren't?
I'm hardly a science nerd but I'm pretty sure I've seen a number shared on these boards.0 -
EvgeniZyntx wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »robs_ready wrote: »
No joke! But it proves that if you eat in a deficit you will lose weight. Healthy food or not.robs_ready wrote: »http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
....but it really is
God I could not think of anything more ghastly
Absolutely, you've given me a great idea for a macdonalds diet, chicken nuggets anyone?
Someone beat you to it: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-lose-weight-eating-only-mcdonalds-2015-10
Damn it, KFC then!
Done.
http://www.davejunia.com/2012/08/how-i-lost-7kg-in-a-month-while-eating-kfc/
Getting fat off whole foods?0 -
Dammit, now I want a Twinkie.
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