Really, a sandwich?
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R_is_for_Rachel wrote: »Think we're luckier in the UK, most premade sandwiches are 300-too came though i have seen some bearer 600
When I was growing up in the UK, THIS was a ham sandwich. In America (and for all I know now in the UK, too), THIS is a ham sandwich.
Not only has the size ballooned beyond belief, we used to eat EITHER a ham OR a cheese sandwich - literally, one OR the other, not both. In the US, cheese is on ALL sandwiches, a concept that I don't really understand, especially since almost all of the cheese readily available in America is utterly, utterly tasteless, and resembles nothing more than a semi-solid form of creamy milk.
I grew up in France and this was a ham sandwich.
So it's not such a huge difference calorie-wise, as the bread is probably most of the calories (and we typically added butter too, which is probably worse calorie-wise than those 6 ounces of ham or something).
But Americans just put way too much stuff in every food item. Makes you wonder if they just want to hide the taste of the bread sometimes (because, let's face it, it really just doesn't compare). Crepes are even worse here... can't taste it at all with how stuffed they are. Sad.1 -
R_is_for_Rachel wrote: »Think we're luckier in the UK, most premade sandwiches are 300-too came though i have seen some bearer 600
It's not hard to find premade sandwiches for 300-400 here either. One I get occasionally is 270.
It's also not hard to find calorie bombs.0 -
In the US, cheese is on ALL sandwiches, a concept that I don't really understand, especially since almost all of the cheese readily available in America is utterly, utterly tasteless, and resembles nothing more than a semi-solid form of creamy milk.
First, this is not true.
Second, it's perfectly possible to get a sandwich with good cheese, and the idea that almost all the cheese readily available in the US is tasteless is just odd. We have many good local cheeses and the ability to buy cheeses from around the world even if there were something inherently inferior about cheese made in the US.13 -
Pretty much why I only eat sandwiches when I REALLY crave one. And it's better be good bread... forget Subway. But bread doesn't fill me up, so if I'm going to spend 300 calories on non filling food, it will typically not be a sandwich.
CO-SIGN x 1000
I mean, awesome sandwiches are AWESOME, but 9 out of 10 sandwiches are meh.
I lurve me some prosciutto and roasted veggies (say, peppers, zucchini, eggplant) and cheese, slathered with pesto on a great roll. OH GOD I WANT ONE RIGHT NOW.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »In the US, cheese is on ALL sandwiches, a concept that I don't really understand, especially since almost all of the cheese readily available in America is utterly, utterly tasteless, and resembles nothing more than a semi-solid form of creamy milk.
First, this is not true.
Second, it's perfectly possible to get a sandwich with good cheese, and the idea that almost all the cheese readily available in the US is tasteless is just odd. We have many good local cheeses and the ability to buy cheeses from around the world even if there were something inherently inferior about cheese made in the US.lemurcat12 wrote: »In the US, cheese is on ALL sandwiches, a concept that I don't really understand, especially since almost all of the cheese readily available in America is utterly, utterly tasteless, and resembles nothing more than a semi-solid form of creamy milk.
First, this is not true.
Second, it's perfectly possible to get a sandwich with good cheese, and the idea that almost all the cheese readily available in the US is tasteless is just odd. We have many good local cheeses and the ability to buy cheeses from around the world even if there were something inherently inferior about cheese made in the US.
Agree. It puzzles me sometimes that more recent arrivals in the US equate what they find in mass-market fast food chains and truck stops etc. with all the food in the US. I mean, the food I've found in European chain restaurants and roadside food is utterly VILE, poor quality, and if I'm LUCKY, tasteless. But that's because it's chain restaurant / truck stop food, not because Europeans all eat nasty food.7 -
I love sandwiches for lunch and make my own. Some products make it easier to keep the calories low. I often use sandwich thins which are 100 calories, or a half of a pita bread which is 110 calories, one large slice of bread and cut it in half, or a low calorie tortilla and make it a wrap. For protein you can use very thin sliced cheeses (Sargento has several) and fat free meats (Celebrity black forest ham available at Trader Joes is 25 calories a slice), or use a fried egg, make a bean spread, or cook a bean burger. Adding extras like lettuce, tomato, etc. will make the sandwich more satisfying, too. Variety, variety, variety!2
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Yeah. ... Make your own! Almost half the calories and the sodium can be much reduced as well.2
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Not even sure when the last time I had a sandwich..0
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Agree. It puzzles me sometimes that more recent arrivals in the US equate what they find in mass-market fast food chains and truck stops etc. with all the food in the US. I mean, the food I've found in European chain restaurants and roadside food is utterly VILE, poor quality, and if I'm LUCKY, tasteless. But that's because it's chain restaurant / truck stop food, not because Europeans all eat nasty food.
Well, I've been observing this for a couple of decades.0 -
Agree. It puzzles me sometimes that more recent arrivals in the US equate what they find in mass-market fast food chains and truck stops etc. with all the food in the US. I mean, the food I've found in European chain restaurants and roadside food is utterly VILE, poor quality, and if I'm LUCKY, tasteless. But that's because it's chain restaurant / truck stop food, not because Europeans all eat nasty food.
Well, I've been observing this for a couple of decades.
I like cheese that tastes like something, not rubber. American and have no problem finding that. Last sandwich I ate had Boar's Head Chipotle Gouda on it, yum. We keep super sharp cheddar on hand at home, and the only good "monterey jack" cheese I have ever found, the Publix store brand. We get queso fresco at the local shop, my daughter makes fresh ricotta and mozarella and paneer cheese, we get French goat milk feta at the middle eastern market, and good cheap brie at the warehouse store, oddly enough, they also have good Parmesan available but for that the step between OK and good isn't big enough to justify the price, to me. Anything we shred ourselves is OK.
The only difference with cheese in the US is that all must be made with sterilized milk, right? In Europe I think you can get cheeses made with raw milk?
Cabot, the US farm collective, makes some really good cheddars. Gawd I love cheese.2 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »In the US, cheese is on ALL sandwiches, a concept that I don't really understand, especially since almost all of the cheese readily available in America is utterly, utterly tasteless, and resembles nothing more than a semi-solid form of creamy milk.
First, this is not true.
Second, it's perfectly possible to get a sandwich with good cheese, and the idea that almost all the cheese readily available in the US is tasteless is just odd. We have many good local cheeses and the ability to buy cheeses from around the world even if there were something inherently inferior about cheese made in the US.
I think it's mostly because most sandwich shops use pretty bland cheese on sandwiches, in my experience (like American cheese, baby Swiss or provolone, or mild cheddar when you're lucky).
I can find very good cheese but it's usually expensive and stores just don't put over $5 worth of cheese in their sandwiches.
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rainbowbow wrote: »Are you suprised by this?
Oh, i'm vegetarian, i'll just have a sandwich...
No, not surprised at all. In fact I'm more surprised at the number of people who equate vegetarianism with lower calorie diets. I mean, it can be done of course, but with my protein goals getting enough protein on a vegetarian diet would require me to eat a lot more calories than I do. As it is, any meal I eat that's got cheese or tofu tends to be pretty high calorie. Beans are often sneaky calorie smugglers. Put a big hunk of avocado on a sandwich and BAM calorie bomb. (Delicious, but a calorie bomb).
EXACTLY! My diet is largely plant based and I keep getting comments like "how did you gain weight when you rarely eat meat?" Really??
My favorite falafel sandwich is 100% vegetarian (and vegan actually) and has 550 calories for a SMALL. A medium clocks at 800 something, and a "supreme" has fried eggplant and potatoes (in addition to the usual tahini based salad) and goes well beyond 1000 calories. Tell me again how vegetarian food can't contribute to weight gain?
Edit: just for perspective, here is how just the salad looks and you could have up to 1/4 cup of that in a sandwich
http://www.food.com/recipe/tomato-salad-with-tahini-sauce-middle-east-palestine-3863451 -
I was planning on taking my son to Zaxby's yesterday to celebrate the end of school year. I looked online at the calories for everything and about had a heart attack. I was just going to suck it up and go because we don't do fast food much and when I picked him up he said can we just go through the drive thru and take it home? I was relieved and I ate something at home. It's terrible when a meal on their menu is between 1100 and 2000 calories. Most of their salads were around 700 and more.2
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It's a sandwich- on a bread roll. what are you expecting?1
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Ya'll realize you can cut a sammy in half and have two meals, right? Bam! Half the calories, all the deliciousness4
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rldeclercq4 wrote: »Ya'll realize you can cut a sammy in half and have two meals, right? Bam! Half the calories, all the deliciousness
But not always filling sadly. Man, I made a delicious grilled cheese a few weeks back.. close to 700 calories. Hungry 2 hours later. Sigh.0 -
Thank heavens for online menus... I like researching and preloading my calories too, as mentioned earlier- it helps so much!0
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re: "how did you gain weight when you rarely eat meat?"amusedmonkey wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »Are you suprised by this?
Oh, i'm vegetarian, i'll just have a sandwich...
No, not surprised at all. In fact I'm more surprised at the number of people who equate vegetarianism with lower calorie diets. I mean, it can be done of course, but with my protein goals getting enough protein on a vegetarian diet would require me to eat a lot more calories than I do. As it is, any meal I eat that's got cheese or tofu tends to be pretty high calorie. Beans are often sneaky calorie smugglers. Put a big hunk of avocado on a sandwich and BAM calorie bomb. (Delicious, but a calorie bomb).
EXACTLY! My diet is largely plant based and I keep getting comments like "how did you gain weight when you rarely eat meat?" Really??
My favorite falafel sandwich is 100% vegetarian (and vegan actually) and has 550 calories for a SMALL. A medium clocks at 800 something, and a "supreme" has fried eggplant and potatoes (in addition to the usual tahini based salad) and goes well beyond 1000 calories. Tell me again how vegetarian food can't contribute to weight gain?
Edit: just for perspective, here is how just the salad looks and you could have up to 1/4 cup of that in a sandwich
http://www.food.com/recipe/tomato-salad-with-tahini-sauce-middle-east-palestine-386345
I can't imagine that anyone who says that has actually looked at nutrition.
I'm not knocking vegetarianism... but if anything, my diet includes more meat than it did when I started tracking. I find it a lot easier to stay feeling full/satisfied when I hit my protein goals, even if I'm significantly under my calorie goals... and doing that is super easy if I just increase my meat portions slightly while making sure I keep my carb portions from increasing along with it.
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MissusMoon wrote: »Yep. It's why I can't get a whole sandwich at Panera anymore. They're very high calorie.
Me too! I can treat myself to steak and wine for the same calories for a whole sandwich there!! Some of the half sandwiches are really high, too. Panera is exhibit A that "eating clean" doesn't necessarily equal weight loss.
However, if you are "eating clean" you are definitely not going to eat a sandwich from Panera. That is not clean eating. And just like you, I'll take the steak and wine
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Agree. It puzzles me sometimes that more recent arrivals in the US equate what they find in mass-market fast food chains and truck stops etc. with all the food in the US. I mean, the food I've found in European chain restaurants and roadside food is utterly VILE, poor quality, and if I'm LUCKY, tasteless. But that's because it's chain restaurant / truck stop food, not because Europeans all eat nasty food.
Well, I've been observing this for a couple of decades.
Slow learner, then?1 -
PaulaSchlotterbeck wrote: »Thank heavens for online menus... I like researching and preloading my calories too, as mentioned earlier- it helps so much!
Yeap, but that only works if the place has the menu and the nutritional value on line and if you know in advance where are you going to eat. Life is not that simple or predictable. Just saying...0 -
All of my favorite foods ever are DESTROYERS in the calorie department. Sandwiches, burritos, pizza, chicken wings (with bleu cheese), if they are big enough to actually satisfy me then they are easily 1000+. Don't get me started on breakfast... 2-3 eggs, hash browns, bacon and sausage... that's gotta be over 1k right there. Cooking at home and being "sensible" (AKA me hating life) is best for weight loss. Curse of the fatty!1
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rainbowbow wrote: »Are you suprised by this?
Oh, i'm vegetarian, i'll just have a sandwich...
Vegetarians, especially those of us who kind of suck at being vegetarian, have it the worst. My poor wife... at least she's a salad lover (with "real" or low cal dressing), which really helps in the calorie department.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »In the US, cheese is on ALL sandwiches, a concept that I don't really understand, especially since almost all of the cheese readily available in America is utterly, utterly tasteless, and resembles nothing more than a semi-solid form of creamy milk.
First, this is not true.
Second, it's perfectly possible to get a sandwich with good cheese, and the idea that almost all the cheese readily available in the US is tasteless is just odd. We have many good local cheeses and the ability to buy cheeses from around the world even if there were something inherently inferior about cheese made in the US.
I think it's mostly because most sandwich shops use pretty bland cheese on sandwiches, in my experience (like American cheese, baby Swiss or provolone, or mild cheddar when you're lucky).
I can find very good cheese but it's usually expensive and stores just don't put over $5 worth of cheese in their sandwiches.
In my experience, swiss (not artisinal gruyere or emantaller) and provolone are considered sandwich cheeses BECAUSE they don't steal the show. Why would you want to put cave-aged bleu or expensive cambazola or fine manchengo on BREAD WITH MAYO AND HAM! That stuff is expensive so you can eat it alone or with delicate bites of charcuterie or pear or apple... something that compliments the cheese and maybe even the wine you are drinking.
You wouldn't buy a $45 dry-aged wagyu ribeye and throw that on bread with mayo and pickles, would you?
And try shopping around. Americans make great cheese! Also, if we're going to be snobby about Europe, guess who's been making cheese for A LOT LONGER. That's like complaining that America doesn't have enough castles.1 -
That's why we call them sometimes foods.0
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rainbowbow wrote: »Are you suprised by this?
Oh, i'm vegetarian, i'll just have a sandwich...
No, not surprised at all. In fact I'm more surprised at the number of people who equate vegetarianism with lower calorie diets. I mean, it can be done of course, but with my protein goals getting enough protein on a vegetarian diet would require me to eat a lot more calories than I do. As it is, any meal I eat that's got cheese or tofu tends to be pretty high calorie. Beans are often sneaky calorie smugglers. Put a big hunk of avocado on a sandwich and BAM calorie bomb. (Delicious, but a calorie bomb).
I gained most of my weight (up to a whopping 315 pounds) on a vegetarian diet. I was pretty disappointed.0 -
seekingdaintiness wrote: »That's why we call them sometimes foods.
I eat sandwiches every day, just not the kind that breaks the calorie bank. Had a greek yogurt sandwich today for a quick snack. 3 simple ingredients: flatbread, yogurt, fresh spearmint - with a cup of sweet oolong tea. The whole meal barely made it to 150 calories including the sugar and would have been even less if I used low fat yogurt instead of whole (don't like it). That sandwich I mentioned earlier? Yeah, that's a very "sometimes" food since the small doesn't satisfy me.0 -
seekingdaintiness wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »Are you suprised by this?
Oh, i'm vegetarian, i'll just have a sandwich...
No, not surprised at all. In fact I'm more surprised at the number of people who equate vegetarianism with lower calorie diets. I mean, it can be done of course, but with my protein goals getting enough protein on a vegetarian diet would require me to eat a lot more calories than I do. As it is, any meal I eat that's got cheese or tofu tends to be pretty high calorie. Beans are often sneaky calorie smugglers. Put a big hunk of avocado on a sandwich and BAM calorie bomb. (Delicious, but a calorie bomb).
I gained most of my weight (up to a whopping 315 pounds) on a vegetarian diet. I was pretty disappointed.
i've been my fattest and my thinnest on a vegetarian diet. I've been vegetarian my whole life. I hate this misconception, believe me i was eating all the bean burritos, sandwiches, pizza, fries, and jalepeno poppers i could. 0 -
JustinAnimal wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »In the US, cheese is on ALL sandwiches, a concept that I don't really understand, especially since almost all of the cheese readily available in America is utterly, utterly tasteless, and resembles nothing more than a semi-solid form of creamy milk.
First, this is not true.
Second, it's perfectly possible to get a sandwich with good cheese, and the idea that almost all the cheese readily available in the US is tasteless is just odd. We have many good local cheeses and the ability to buy cheeses from around the world even if there were something inherently inferior about cheese made in the US.
I think it's mostly because most sandwich shops use pretty bland cheese on sandwiches, in my experience (like American cheese, baby Swiss or provolone, or mild cheddar when you're lucky).
I can find very good cheese but it's usually expensive and stores just don't put over $5 worth of cheese in their sandwiches.
In my experience, swiss (not artisinal gruyere or emantaller) and provolone are considered sandwich cheeses BECAUSE they don't steal the show. Why would you want to put cave-aged bleu or expensive cambazola or fine manchengo on BREAD WITH MAYO AND HAM! That stuff is expensive so you can eat it alone or with delicate bites of charcuterie or pear or apple... something that compliments the cheese and maybe even the wine you are drinking.
You wouldn't buy a $45 dry-aged wagyu ribeye and throw that on bread with mayo and pickles, would you?
And try shopping around. Americans make great cheese! Also, if we're going to be snobby about Europe, guess who's been making cheese for A LOT LONGER. That's like complaining that America doesn't have enough castles.
I would, if I liked wagyu beef. The bread, mayo and pickles would need to elevated as well, of course.
My favorite 'burger' right now is a seared Ahi tuna with wasabi mayo, picked ginger, a nori chip and arugula on brioche.
I get sandwiches with stronger flavored cheeses pretty frequently. Blue or a chevre, most often. Maytag Blue has a nice kick and is pretty widely available.0 -
45 calorie bread, 70 calorie cheese, 63 grams of turkey at about 70 calories (cut from my local deli), maybe a low sodium piece of bacon at 40 calories and no condiments.. Less than 300 calories sandwich.. And that is a plain sandwich on "diet bread".
So I get the nasty amount of calories in a restaurant served sandwich it is made for taste and no one cares what that does to one's calorie bugget or their waste line out there in the food service land..
Always use the online menus or checkout the calories on the menu board before you get there. Always have a chance to go somewhere else.0
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