diet soda is HORRIBLE
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The cigarette argument is strawman which does nothing to prove your point. At all. I never said the government is clean as a whistle or remotely non-corrupt.Seriously? The US govt banned clove cigarettes because they 'appeal to kids' (tell me the last time you talked to a kid who thought cloves sounded like a yummy treat) when in reality it was just because big tobacco companies were lobbying to get rid of their smaller competition. But noo, the government isn't being corrupted by corporations and profits at all. ;P It's all in our heads. Bottom line, the politicians WILL do what the lobbyists(big companies and rich people) want! It keeps them rich and in office.
I honestly don't understand why people jump to 'tin foil hats' the moment you point out the obvious corruption in the world...I think you've got some tin foil glasses preventing you from seeing what's right in front of you.
However, there are institutions worldwide that have found aspartame and other artificial sweeteners to be perfectly safe. These are institutions that have no affiliation to the FDA or US government. To say they legalize artificial sweeteners because they make a profit, similar to cigarettes, is false as: A) cigarettes have zero bearing on this issue and
the evidence speaks for itself.
But thanks for the lesson on US politics. As it had nothing to do with the issue at hand.
I honestly wasn't addressing and don't care much about the artificial sweetener argument as I usually think they're pretty gross anyway. :P People can and should always be allowed to put anything in their bodies they want including artificial sweeteners that may/may not cause cancer. Previous 'tin foil hat' poster mentioned cigarettes and thus I went with that as an example. I just get irritated when someone gets ridiculed (however misinformed/misguided they may be) for questioning things and stating a mistrust in government. If they said Jesus/god hated aspartame people probably would have let it slide... I mean, look at all those "Jesus made me lose weight, hallelujah!" threads. :P My point was that you should refute their argument with facts (like you just did with me) instead of making assumptions about them being a paranoid crazy conspiracy theorist.
Idk, I think everyone deserves to be respected despite their crazy beliefs, whether they be in a magic man in the sky or a corrupt govt.
Edit: Wanted to add an apology for not being clear with what my argument actually was to begin with.
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There is a disturbing new study out that has shown that studies are disturbing.........Thanks ellen!0
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I guess I am going to die but at least I will die happy.0
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Blaming the government with zero proof when there is AMPLE proof that artificial sweeteners are safe IS actually crazy in my book. Especially when it's to the point that they block out all conflicting information that sheds actual light on the matter.I honestly wasn't addressing and don't care much about the artificial sweetener argument as I usually think they're pretty gross anyway. :P People can and should always be allowed to put anything in their bodies they want including artificial sweeteners that may/may not cause cancer. Previous 'tin foil hat' poster mentioned cigarettes and thus I went with that as an example. I just get irritated when someone gets ridiculed (however misinformed/misguided they may be) for questioning things and stating a mistrust in government. If they said Jesus/god hated aspartame people probably would have let it slide... I mean, look at all those "Jesus made me lose weight, hallelujah!" threads. :P My point was that you should refute their argument with facts (like you just did with me) instead of making assumptions about them being a paranoid crazy conspiracy theorist. Idk, I think everyone deserves to be respected despite their crazy beliefs, whether they be in a magic man in the sky or a corrupt govt.
Edit: Wanted to add an apology for not being clear with what my argument actually was to begin with.
The extent/intensity of their beliefs is what matters.0 -
Who needs to follow studies when you can use your own common sense? If its artificial it shouldn't go in your body. Simple as that.0
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Faeries are immune to aspartame.... I shall live FOREVER0
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I get what you're saying, but being misinformed isn't the same as being crazy. I know that eeeeeeveryone talks about how artificial sweeteners give you cancer, so it's easy to see how someone could take that as fact without doing their own research. In that case, yes they are misinformed and probably shouldn't be arguing the subject, but that doesn't really make it okay to call them crazy instead of just informing themBlaming the government with zero proof when there is AMPLE proof that artificial sweeteners are safe IS actually crazy in my book. Especially when it's to the point that they block out all conflicting information that sheds actual light on the matter.
The extent/intensity of their beliefs is what matters.
If they start talking about the illuminati sterilizing the population with aspartame though, then be my guest and give them the tinfoil hat post. lol0 -
Actually, it's not "common sense," it's your WRONG perspective based on some dogmatic belief.Who needs to follow studies when you can use your own common sense? If its artificial it shouldn't go in your body. Simple as that.
I assume you've never taken advantage of western medicine with that mentality.
Have fun with your diet entirely composed of organic fruits and vegetables.0 -
The poster is talking about government conspiracy theories regarding the legalization of aspartame for government profit.I get what you're saying, but being misinformed isn't the same as being crazy. I know that eeeeeeveryone talks about how artificial sweeteners give you cancer, so it's easy to see how someone could take that as fact without doing their own research. In that case, yes they are misinformed and probably shouldn't be arguing the subject, but that doesn't really make it okay to call them crazy instead of just informing them
If they start talking about the illuminati sterilizing the population with aspartame though, then be my guest and give them the tinfoil hat post. lol
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100% of all diet soda drinkers will die. Fact!0
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Diet soda is the #1 killer in America, AND WE WON'T EVEN ADMIT IT!
Look at all these articles linking it to so many horrible diseases.
http://fyiliving.com/diet/nutrition/is-diet-cola-really-bad-to-the-bone/
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/HeartHealth/diet-soda-linked-heart-attack-stroke-risk/story?id=12868269
http://www.webmd.com/cancer/pancreatic-cancer/news/20100208/pancreatic-cancer-linked-sodas
You're all going to die if you keep drinking this crap!
Wow....trusting WebMD?
Really??
REALLY??0 -
You lost 191 lbs!! I need help! I have been stuck at the same weight since 06. PLEASE HELP!0
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The poster is talking about government conspiracy theories regarding the legalization of aspartame for government profit.
Crazy.
Bringing me again back to my original point, it's not THAT crazy considering the government is corrupt in other ways (cigarette example).
We can agree to disagree, though. 0 -
I was planning to never die. This changes everything.
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Who needs to follow studies when you can use your own common sense? If its artificial it shouldn't go in your body. Simple as that.
What about artificial parts that are put into bodies to help the person continue life as normally as possible? Oorrrrr what about fake boobs?! Who doesnt love those?!
jk. but seriously.. we have all something artificial every now and then : ) 0 -
Everything is always about money, but I personally believe I'm worth more to the government as a living voter and taxpayer than as a dead diet soda drinker.0
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Okay okay now for something on topic:
The AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY says Aspartame is safe. :P I think they know their stuff....
http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerCauses/OtherCarcinogens/AtHome/aspartame0 -
Is the government claiming cigarettes to be safe?Bringing me again back to my original point, it's not THAT crazy considering the government is corrupt in other ways (cigarette example).
We can agree to disagree, though.0 -
Is the government claiming cigarettes to be safe?Bringing me again back to my original point, it's not THAT crazy considering the government is corrupt in other ways (cigarette example).
We can agree to disagree, though.
Ahhhh you're missing my point. O_O But okay, there's no arguing with you...0 -
No. YOU are missing MY point.Ahhhh you're missing my point. O_O But okay, there's no arguing with you...
FDA claiming aspartame is safe =/= legalizing cigarettes. No one in the government is saying cigarettes are safe; in fact they are legally obligated to put a warning on every carton saying there is a health risk involved with smoking.
You are pretending the ruling regarding cigarettes has ANY bearing in determining the safety of aspartame even though cigarettes are recognized by the government as being dangerous. You, and the other poster, conveniently overlook that fact.0 -
If you never drink a diet soda, you are still gonna die :laugh:
This is very surprising news. :frown:
BWAH HAH HAH!!!...0 -
I snort lines of aspartame0
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No. YOU are missing MY point.
FDA claiming aspartame is safe =/= legalizing cigarettes. No one in the government is saying cigarettes are safe; in fact they are legally obligated to put a warning on every carton saying there is a health risk involved with smoking.
You are pretending the ruling regarding cigarettes has ANY bearing in determining the safety of aspartame even though cigarettes are recognized by the government as being dangerous. You, and the other poster, conveniently overlook that fact.
OMG I have told you multiple times I do not think the cigarette rulings have anything to do with aspartame, and was simply using them as an example of the fact that there is a possibility for corruption in the government, therefore demonstrating that it is not completely insane to have beliefs about government conspiracies. I am NOT defending the other poster's argument, and you will see that I just posted a American Cancer Society link that states aspartame is safe. My point this whole time was that you should post evidence if you have a problem with someone's argument, not just insult their personal character and call them crazy because they are misinformed combined with having an unconventional belief in government corruption or whatever.
I have made this as clear as I can, and if you STILL don't understand the point I am actually trying to make I'm just going to assume you're a troll and move on. O_o
TL;DR - Let's all be nice to each other.0 -
You ingest chorine anytime you eat anything with salt in it noway
It's CHLORINE, for one, and two, that's sodium CHLORIDE. Chemistry, learn it. Different things. ChloRINE when ingested is a carcinogen, no different than smoking a cigarette. Specifically, it's been used in poisonous gases (read: bombs).
Not gonna argue chemistry here but the fact is that sucralose/Splenda and all of these artificial faux sweeteners are NOT no calorie and that's why the person who said about cutting it out of your diet can make a difference. This is because in a cup of the artificial sweetener, there's about 100 calories. Sure, in a can of soda there wouldn't be a cup of fake sugar, BUT when you drink multiple diet sodas per day and add in the "sugar free" jello and "sugar free" canned fruits and "sugar free" candy... it can easily add up to a cup. Those dieting people don't add in those 100 calories, at least I wouldn't think they would because they think it's diet! So it fudges up your daily calorie intake.
Table Salt = Sodium Chloride
Sodium Chloride = NaCl
Na = Sodium
Cl = Chlorine
Chemistry, Learn it0 -
Diet soda is the #1 killer in America, AND WE WON'T EVEN ADMIT IT!
Look at all these articles linking it to so many horrible diseases.
http://fyiliving.com/diet/nutrition/is-diet-cola-really-bad-to-the-bone/
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/HeartHealth/diet-soda-linked-heart-attack-stroke-risk/story?id=12868269
http://www.webmd.com/cancer/pancreatic-cancer/news/20100208/pancreatic-cancer-linked-sodas
You're all going to die if you keep drinking this crap!
Can you provide actual research instead of news articles, the first of which even admits that the study done was 'weak' (which is an understatement - studying 16 people is NOT a reputable way of conducting research).
Also, nothing's been proven except correlation.
Correlation is NOT causation. Take a statistics class.
Also, we're all going to die, no matter what we drink. Avoiding diet sodas will not make you immortal.0 -
Table Salt = Sodium Chloride
Sodium Chloride = NaCl
Na = Sodium
Cl = Chlorine
Chemistry Learn it
"Sodium ion is soluble in water, and is thus present in great quantities in the Earth's oceans and other stagnant bodies of water. In these bodies it is mostly counterbalanced by the chloride ion, causing evaporated ocean water solids to consist mostly of sodium chloride, or common table salt. Sodium ion is also a component of many minerals."
Chloride is a chlorine ion that has picked up one additional ion to become an anion, and thus is soluble in water. The difference is that table salt is soluble in water, which by the way, is what your body is mostly made of. ChloRINE in a PURE form is used as a disinfectant, which is why you don't store pool cleaner and pool water balancer in a hot area... cause why? It can leak and cause toxins to be spread throughout the air, which can be life threatening to a human, especially a child. But I'm not gonna argue with you -- my main issue with the aspartame/sucralose/fake sugar argument is the calories and weight inhibition, not so much the chemical aspect of it. I don't get why people are okay with ingesting chemicals but won't ingest natural cane sugar.0 -
Table Salt = Sodium Chloride
Sodium Chloride = NaCl
Na = Sodium
Cl = Chlorine
Chemistry Learn it
This is my favorite post from this whole thread. :laugh:
Oh, and tap water also contains chlorine... ;P ohnoes.0 -
This is my favorite post from this whole thread. :laugh:
Oh, and tap water also contains chlorine... ;P ohnoes.
It contains minute traces of it, as a sterilization tool. Some areas have higher chlorine amounts than others. But, if you do some google research, you'll find that many cities have stopped use of it, as *gasp*, they're finding health problems related to drinking it!0 -
I think we can at least all agree that sucralose is better than high fructose corn syrup, yes? Anyone?0
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"Sodium ion is soluble in water, and is thus present in great quantities in the Earth's oceans and other stagnant bodies of water. In these bodies it is mostly counterbalanced by the chloride ion, causing evaporated ocean water solids to consist mostly of sodium chloride, or common table salt. Sodium ion is also a component of many minerals."
Chloride is a chlorine ion that has picked up one additional ion to become an anion, and thus is soluble in water. The difference is that table salt is soluble in water, which by the way, is what your body is mostly made of. ChloRINE in a PURE form is used as a disinfectant, which is why you don't store pool cleaner and pool water balancer in a hot area... cause why? It explodes? But I'm not gonna argue with you -- my main issue with the aspartame/sucralose/fake sugar argument is the calories and weight inhibition, not so much the chemical aspect of it. I don't get why people are okay with ingesting chemicals but won't ingest natural cane sugar.
I'm sure you never eat any canned vegetables, processed food, commercially raised animals, or drink tap water either right? :P
Oh, also ... there are chemicals in natural cane sugar, and chemical reactions happen in your body ALL DAY. Your body is even made almost entirely OF chemicals! :noway: Freaky, right? So unnatural....
"In chemistry, a chemical substance is a form of matter that has constant chemical composition and characteristic properties.[1] It cannot be separated into components by physical separation methods, i.e. without breaking chemical bonds. Chemical substances are often called 'pure' to set them apart from mixtures. A common example of a chemical substance is pure water; it has the same properties and the same ratio of hydrogen to oxygen whether it is isolated from a river or made in a laboratory."0
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