Diet soda
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Wynterbourne wrote: »No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Please don't spew complete and utter erroneous information out at people seeking help.
I am going to disagree with you 1,000%. My wife cannot have any artificial sweeteners because they give her migraines. Which means we legitimately have to read the label of every dang thing we buy to eat, and yes it's annoying and gets old.... The doctor we see told her this is true in many people because out body do not not how to react with artificial sweeteners. They cannot process them and break them down. I heard those words come directly out of her General Practice Doctor. And there are several other Online Sources that state the same fact.
2 & 3 are utterly false. The sweetners are simply a dipeptide of phenylalanine and aspartate; two naturally occuring amino acids found in a lot of foods.
And diet sodas do not trick your body into storing fat (that is derived from people thinking it's sugar, which in fact, its not sugars, its a sweetner. And sweetner =/= sugar). There is nothing to trick. In fact, they have zero impact.
OP, I drink 50oz or so a day. Have lost and kept off 50lbs for many years (now just working on getting into single digit body fat) and still drink 150oz of water a day.
I'm also going to disagree with based on the fact that Sugars cause the Brain to release Dopamine when you introduce sugar into the blood system. This is why many people appear to be addicted to Sugary Foods. When you trick the brain into assuming you've introduced Sugar into the system, and you've not introduced any Calories into the system the body will harvest those caloric values from other places. You also run into the the mental issues of "We'll I'm drinking a Zero Calorie Drink So i can up-size my fries or order the larger burger."
And just for the record I lost over 100 pounds in roughly 9 months and have kept it off Since.... And i do credit it to those two facts.
And according to This Aspartame isn't found naturally anywhere. It's a combination of two Amino Acids that are fused together. Aspartame, first introduced under the brand NutraSweet, is a synthetic compound made of two amino acids that aren’t found together in nature.1 -
Huge difference between saying "it's not worth the risk to you" and "It's a deadly toxin" (which is ludicrous).
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mjneidlinger wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Please don't spew complete and utter erroneous information out at people seeking help.
I am going to disagree with you 1,000%. My wife cannot have any artificial sweeteners because they give her migraines. Which means we legitimately have to read the label of every dang thing we buy to eat, and yes it's annoying and gets old.... The doctor we see told her this is true in many people because out body do not not how to react with artificial sweeteners. They cannot process them and break them down. I heard those words come directly out of her General Practice Doctor. And there are several other Online Sources that state the same fact.
2 & 3 are utterly false. The sweetners are simply a dipeptide of phenylalanine and aspartate; two naturally occuring amino acids found in a lot of foods.
And diet sodas do not trick your body into storing fat (that is derived from people thinking it's sugar, which in fact, its not sugars, its a sweetner. And sweetner =/= sugar). There is nothing to trick. In fact, they have zero impact.
OP, I drink 50oz or so a day. Have lost and kept off 50lbs for many years (now just working on getting into single digit body fat) and still drink 150oz of water a day.
I'm also going to disagree with based on the fact that Sugars cause the Brain to release Dopamine when you introduce sugar into the blood system. This is why many people appear to be addicted to Sugary Foods. When you trick the brain into assuming you've introduced Sugar into the system, and you've not introduced any Calories into the system the body will harvest those caloric values from other places. You also run into the the mental issues of "We'll I'm drinking a Zero Calorie Drink So i can up-size my fries or order the larger burger."
Yes, they cause some people migraines. As some are allergic to peanuts, or some are diabetic... So?
Anything that is pleasurable releases dopamine into the brain...Petting puppies for example.
I lost 80lb in 8 months and am currently 170lbs of lean mass with a 7% body fat percentage while drinking diet soda regularly (Everyday). Does my n1 negate your n1?3 -
It's science. Who are you to argue with it?justincooper405 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »justincooper405 wrote: »mjneidlinger wrote: »I haven't had a Soft Drink in nearly 2 years.
1) I don't want the unwarranted Calories from the Sugars that are in them.
2) Diet sodas are Zero to low cal, however the body cannot process the sweeteners in them.
3) Diet Sodas can trick the body into storing unwanted/unwarranted fat.
Plus there are a number of other side effects of Sugary Drinks and Artificial sweeteners.
I've been drinking Tea, Coffee and Water for the past 2 years. To the point I even put Iced Coffee in my Camelbak when I go cycling.....
You may be correct... I've read lots of research on artificial sweetners and they back up what you say.
Unfortunately much of the research is fairly new and most likely biased... the research is generally funded by the sugar companies and artificial sweetner companies.
Either way MFP'ERS are not interested in this information. (I am though) - the general consensus around here seems to be based on personal experiences, weight loss and of course the almighty CICO.
For myself I air on the side of caution and long term health and will avoid artificial sweetners until proper reputable research proves it yields zero side effects.
Artificial sweeteners have been studied to death and the results are opposite what you suggest
That's your interpretation and I don't judge you.
And singingflutelady does know what she's talking about...
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mjneidlinger wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Please don't spew complete and utter erroneous information out at people seeking help.
I am going to disagree with you 1,000%. My wife cannot have any artificial sweeteners because they give her migraines. Which means we legitimately have to read the label of every dang thing we buy to eat, and yes it's annoying and gets old.... The doctor we see told her this is true in many people because out body do not not how to react with artificial sweeteners. They cannot process them and break them down. I heard those words come directly out of her General Practice Doctor. And there are several other Online Sources that state the same fact.
2 & 3 are utterly false. The sweetners are simply a dipeptide of phenylalanine and aspartate; two naturally occuring amino acids found in a lot of foods.
And diet sodas do not trick your body into storing fat (that is derived from people thinking it's sugar, which in fact, its not sugars, its a sweetner. And sweetner =/= sugar). There is nothing to trick. In fact, they have zero impact.
OP, I drink 50oz or so a day. Have lost and kept off 50lbs for many years (now just working on getting into single digit body fat) and still drink 150oz of water a day.
I'm also going to disagree with based on the fact that Sugars cause the Brain to release Dopamine when you introduce sugar into the blood system. This is why many people appear to be addicted to Sugary Foods. When you trick the brain into assuming you've introduced Sugar into the system, and you've not introduced any Calories into the system the body will harvest those caloric values from other places. You also run into the the mental issues of "We'll I'm drinking a Zero Calorie Drink So i can up-size my fries or order the larger burger."
And just for the record I lost over 100 pounds in roughly 9 months and have kept it off Since.... And i do credit it to those two facts.
And according to This Aspartame isn't found naturally anywhere. It's a combination of two Amino Acids that are fused together. Aspartame, first introduced under the brand NutraSweet, is a synthetic compound made of two amino acids that aren’t found together in nature.
I notice you skipped over/ignored my previous post. Here, let me repost a sentence from that for you.Wynterbourne wrote: »As long as you don't have a medical condition that your doctor thinks may be affected by artificial sweeteners, drink it if you want to.3 -
That isn't how science works. It's how opinion works.justincooper405 wrote: »As for sending links, which is also pointless as people do have the right to do and believe whatever they feel to be true. I could paste 100 links saying sweetners are completely ok to consume and I could paste 100 links to state the opposite
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I drink at least one 16 oz coke zero a day, sometimes two. I've lost 160+lbs and still going ... the coke zero or other diet pop has had no bearing on me losing weight, and all of my health/bloodwork stuff has been rock solid.3
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If you choose a high calorie meal just because you are drinking no calories switching to water won't help that mentality at all1
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cerise_noir wrote: »
That isn't how science works. It's how opinion works.justincooper405 wrote: »As for sending links, which is also pointless as people do have the right to do and believe whatever they feel to be true. I could paste 100 links saying sweetners are completely ok to consume and I could paste 100 links to state the opposite
This debate is far from science.... it's unfortunate that it offends or upsets anyone. You do you and I'll do me ...
As for this topic - I'm out3 -
TommieCarrol wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »TommieCarrol wrote: »They seem to make me retain water, so I guess it is the sodium.
diet pop has very little sodium...drinking one now that has 15mg which it says is 1% of the recommended daily amount...its not the sodium.
It was something, but I was drinking 12+ a day plus eating foods that contained sodium. My dr. recommended me cut back on sodium. I now drink no more than one a day and feel much better. I also watch sodium intake.
How did you come to the conclusion that diet soda was the cause of that? It's amazing the things people try to blame things on.0 -
healthy491 wrote: »Do diet sodas make you gain weight or gain fat/reduce muscle? As I drink A LOT of diet pepsi.
Just curious OP, as to why you think this might be the case? Diet soda has less than 10 calories. How could it make you gain weight/gain fat/reduce muscle? Since you are already drinking diet pepsi, you wouldn't likely see any impact from continued consumption, but for people who are drinking calorific beverages then switching to diet soda can make a big difference in HELPING weight loss, as long as you aren't replacing those calories elsewhere.0 -
AnthonyX150X wrote: »biggsterjackster wrote: »healthy491 wrote: »If You Could Steer Clear Of Sodas, Youd Be Helping Yourself Out Immensely... With That's Said, It About Moderation.. One A Day Shouldn't Hurt You, It When Your Drinking Three, Four, Five A Day That It Might Become A Problem.. Water Is Your Best Friend
I hate water though
and why is soda bad ?
All of my doctors, dentists and lots of nutritionists say they are not the best choice. Don't know why. They are probably all lying and make things up.
They are not the best choice because water is the only liquid the body really needs.
You clearly haven't been at my house after arguing with two young children about bed time. The only liquid my body needs at that point in the evening is wine.7 -
If I drink water and afterwards chug a shotglass of syrup it's drinking water, if I mix the two, the water stops being water?3
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Syrup shots? Challenge accepted.4
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Wynterbourne wrote: »No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Please don't spew complete and utter erroneous information out at people seeking help.
I am going to disagree with you 1,000%. My wife cannot have any artificial sweeteners because they give her migraines. Which means we legitimately have to read the label of every dang thing we buy to eat, and yes it's annoying and gets old.... The doctor we see told her this is true in many people because out body do not not how to react with artificial sweeteners. They cannot process them and break them down. I heard those words come directly out of her General Practice Doctor. And there are several other Online Sources that state the same fact.
2 & 3 are utterly false. The sweetners are simply a dipeptide of phenylalanine and aspartate; two naturally occuring amino acids found in a lot of foods.
And diet sodas do not trick your body into storing fat (that is derived from people thinking it's sugar, which in fact, its not sugars, its a sweetner. And sweetner =/= sugar). There is nothing to trick. In fact, they have zero impact.
OP, I drink 50oz or so a day. Have lost and kept off 50lbs for many years (now just working on getting into single digit body fat) and still drink 150oz of water a day.
I'm also going to disagree with based on the fact that Sugars cause the Brain to release Dopamine when you introduce sugar into the blood system. This is why many people appear to be addicted to Sugary Foods. When you trick the brain into assuming you've introduced Sugar into the system, and you've not introduced any Calories into the system the body will harvest those caloric values from other places. You also run into the the mental issues of "We'll I'm drinking a Zero Calorie Drink So i can up-size my fries or order the larger burger."
And just for the record I lost over 100 pounds in roughly 9 months and have kept it off Since.... And i do credit it to those two facts.
And according to This Aspartame isn't found naturally anywhere. It's a combination of two Amino Acids that are fused together. Aspartame, first introduced under the brand NutraSweet, is a synthetic compound made of two amino acids that aren’t found together in nature.
Aspartame does not stimulate any mechanisms to store fat. It doesnt stimulate lipogenesis or active any fat storing enzyme (insulin, ASP or GID), nor does it supress HSL. So how could you gain fat by drinking diet soda?
And any hyperpalabtable food would cause reactions in dopamine. Pretty much means people just like food.
Either way, there is nothing wrong with drinking diet soda or not drinking it. Its all personal preference. Its been around since the 50s and there is still no human evidence that its bad, outside a small percentage of people have reactions to it causing headaches. And tjose reactions would be far less than reactions from things like nuts, seafood, and etc..4 -
Wynterbourne wrote: »No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Please don't spew complete and utter erroneous information out at people seeking help.
I am going to disagree with you 1,000%. My wife cannot have any artificial sweeteners because they give her migraines. Which means we legitimately have to read the label of every dang thing we buy to eat, and yes it's annoying and gets old.... The doctor we see told her this is true in many people because out body do not not how to react with artificial sweeteners. They cannot process them and break them down. I heard those words come directly out of her General Practice Doctor. And there are several other Online Sources that state the same fact.
2 & 3 are utterly false. The sweetners are simply a dipeptide of phenylalanine and aspartate; two naturally occuring amino acids found in a lot of foods.
And diet sodas do not trick your body into storing fat (that is derived from people thinking it's sugar, which in fact, its not sugars, its a sweetner. And sweetner =/= sugar). There is nothing to trick. In fact, they have zero impact.
OP, I drink 50oz or so a day. Have lost and kept off 50lbs for many years (now just working on getting into single digit body fat) and still drink 150oz of water a day.
I'm also going to disagree with based on the fact that Sugars cause the Brain to release Dopamine when you introduce sugar into the blood system. This is why many people appear to be addicted to Sugary Foods. When you trick the brain into assuming you've introduced Sugar into the system, and you've not introduced any Calories into the system the body will harvest those caloric values from other places. You also run into the the mental issues of "We'll I'm drinking a Zero Calorie Drink So i can up-size my fries or order the larger burger."
And just for the record I lost over 100 pounds in roughly 9 months and have kept it off Since.... And i do credit it to those two facts.
And according to This Aspartame isn't found naturally anywhere. It's a combination of two Amino Acids that are fused together. Aspartame, first introduced under the brand NutraSweet, is a synthetic compound made of two amino acids that aren’t found together in nature.
Aspartame does not stimulate any mechanisms to store fat. It doesnt stimulate lipogenesis or active any fat storing enzyme (insulin, ASP or GID), nor does it supress HSL. So how could you gain fat by drinking diet soda?
And any hyperpalabtable food would cause reactions in dopamine. Pretty much means people just like food.
Either way, there is nothing wrong with drinking diet soda or not drinking it. Its all personal preference. Its been around since the 50s and there is still no human evidence that its bad, outside a small percentage of people have reactions to it causing headaches. And tjose reactions would be far less than reactions from things like nuts, seafood, and etc..
And add to that that studies on people who identify as getting those reactions turn up no difference to placebos...3 -
stevencloser wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Please don't spew complete and utter erroneous information out at people seeking help.
I am going to disagree with you 1,000%. My wife cannot have any artificial sweeteners because they give her migraines. Which means we legitimately have to read the label of every dang thing we buy to eat, and yes it's annoying and gets old.... The doctor we see told her this is true in many people because out body do not not how to react with artificial sweeteners. They cannot process them and break them down. I heard those words come directly out of her General Practice Doctor. And there are several other Online Sources that state the same fact.
2 & 3 are utterly false. The sweetners are simply a dipeptide of phenylalanine and aspartate; two naturally occuring amino acids found in a lot of foods.
And diet sodas do not trick your body into storing fat (that is derived from people thinking it's sugar, which in fact, its not sugars, its a sweetner. And sweetner =/= sugar). There is nothing to trick. In fact, they have zero impact.
OP, I drink 50oz or so a day. Have lost and kept off 50lbs for many years (now just working on getting into single digit body fat) and still drink 150oz of water a day.
I'm also going to disagree with based on the fact that Sugars cause the Brain to release Dopamine when you introduce sugar into the blood system. This is why many people appear to be addicted to Sugary Foods. When you trick the brain into assuming you've introduced Sugar into the system, and you've not introduced any Calories into the system the body will harvest those caloric values from other places. You also run into the the mental issues of "We'll I'm drinking a Zero Calorie Drink So i can up-size my fries or order the larger burger."
And just for the record I lost over 100 pounds in roughly 9 months and have kept it off Since.... And i do credit it to those two facts.
And according to This Aspartame isn't found naturally anywhere. It's a combination of two Amino Acids that are fused together. Aspartame, first introduced under the brand NutraSweet, is a synthetic compound made of two amino acids that aren’t found together in nature.
Aspartame does not stimulate any mechanisms to store fat. It doesnt stimulate lipogenesis or active any fat storing enzyme (insulin, ASP or GID), nor does it supress HSL. So how could you gain fat by drinking diet soda?
And any hyperpalabtable food would cause reactions in dopamine. Pretty much means people just like food.
Either way, there is nothing wrong with drinking diet soda or not drinking it. Its all personal preference. Its been around since the 50s and there is still no human evidence that its bad, outside a small percentage of people have reactions to it causing headaches. And tjose reactions would be far less than reactions from things like nuts, seafood, and etc..
And add to that that studies on people who identify as getting those reactions turn up no difference to placebos...
Even so, it wouldnt put it pass me that some people are effected. Heck i know people who are allergic to the weirdest things like strawberries, red meat, and for me (oysters, mussels, clams and scallops but not other allegies).0 -
Muscles. Lol0
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You're completely disagreeing with scientific evidence, though. Some have showed you the evidence, but you chose to ignore it, that's all.justincooper405 wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »
That isn't how science works. It's how opinion works.justincooper405 wrote: »As for sending links, which is also pointless as people do have the right to do and believe whatever they feel to be true. I could paste 100 links saying sweetners are completely ok to consume and I could paste 100 links to state the opposite
This debate is far from science.... it's unfortunate that it offends or upsets anyone. You do you and I'll do me ...
As for this topic - I'm out
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Unless you have certain health conditions/your doctor advises against it, there's nothing to worry about. The ones with cola should probably be used sparingly by women who are prone to getting UTIs as the cola flavor (regular or diet) has been shown to be an irritant. So I do drink diet soda but I choose diet root beer, diet cream soda, or diet mello yello. If you have phenylketonuria, stay away from any that have Equal/aspartame, choose Splenda ones instead. Experiment and see if they bloat you or not.0
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Another soda thread? Lemme in!!0
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*during* a workout I drink only water. no one wants to hear me burping away on the elliptical. :P lmao1
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Coke zero is my pre workout
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lol! And are you burpy on the machines? I like B vitamin supplements and a protein shake before I get going. And a protein snack immediately afterward. I have blood sugar problems and it will crash in a heartbeat if I don't eat some little thing the moment I leave the gym floor. Soda, I mostly drink at home.0
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No but I only lift weights.0
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TommieCarrol wrote: »They seem to make me retain water, so I guess it is the sodium.
Less sodium in a drink than in natural foods.
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So 12 times 40mg of soda and other sodium foods don't validate what the OP was asking. With the little amount of sodium in a diet soda, water retention that you mention isn't really an issue.TommieCarrol wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »TommieCarrol wrote: »They seem to make me retain water, so I guess it is the sodium.
diet pop has very little sodium...drinking one now that has 15mg which it says is 1% of the recommended daily amount...its not the sodium.
It was something, but I was drinking 12+ a day plus eating foods that contained sodium. My dr. recommended me cut back on sodium. I now drink no more than one a day and feel much better. I also watch sodium intake.
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Or just limited in knowledge on actual nutrition. I don't know many doctors or dentists that majored in nutrition. And most nutritionists don't even go to college. They can take an online course and pass an online test to be "certified", unlike a registered dietician.biggsterjackster wrote: »healthy491 wrote: »If You Could Steer Clear Of Sodas, Youd Be Helping Yourself Out Immensely... With That's Said, It About Moderation.. One A Day Shouldn't Hurt You, It When Your Drinking Three, Four, Five A Day That It Might Become A Problem.. Water Is Your Best Friend
I hate water though and why is soda bad ?
All of my doctors, dentists and lots of nutritionists say they are not the best choice. Don't know why. They are probably all lying and make things up.
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So if you only drink/eat what you NEED, that would nix about 95% of all other foods/drinks out there. I've known people like that and they are on the edge of being extremely eccentric.AnthonyX150X wrote: »biggsterjackster wrote: »healthy491 wrote: »If You Could Steer Clear Of Sodas, Youd Be Helping Yourself Out Immensely... With That's Said, It About Moderation.. One A Day Shouldn't Hurt You, It When Your Drinking Three, Four, Five A Day That It Might Become A Problem.. Water Is Your Best Friend
I hate water though and why is soda bad ?
All of my doctors, dentists and lots of nutritionists say they are not the best choice. Don't know why. They are probably all lying and make things up.
They are not the best choice because water is the only liquid the body really needs.
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