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Not in countries where water is the main reason for hospitalization. CLEAN water would be your best choice. If not, I'll take a diet soda in a country area like the Southern Philippines.AnthonyX150X wrote: »I'm not saying it is good or bad to have if you want it, I am just saying water will always be the best choice.
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Link some actual evidence for that. I've been drinking diet soda for over 25+ years and haven't experienced that so called health issues claimed by many a "natural" site.AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Or what about the fact that it is like 95% water or that my drs and RDs have never said to avoid them.
95% per serving probably. That 5% of artificial sweeteners add up though, depending on how much diet soda you drink. While your doctors and registered dieticians never said to avoid them, I guarantee they will never recommend them either.
How many coroners attribute death to an artificial sweetener?
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Which is why there are millions of deaths attributed to diet soda every year.justincooper405 wrote: »Don't drink it ... it's a deadly toxin
Yes, that was sarcasm.
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Doesn't that depend on what you're doing? If you're losing electrolytes out of your body from extreme exercise, does just drinking water trump a drink like Gatorade in this scenario?AnthonyX150X wrote: »AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »It's neutral though and it's annoying how the anti diet soda people (not you but in general) ignore all science and act like it is a deadly toxin. Like most other things moderation is necessary.
I am not anti anything when it comes to foods and drinks. I think you took my comment as against soda, but I was referring to biggsterjackster's comment about why doctors, dentists, and nutritionists say diet soda is not the best choice simply because it is not. Water, by nature is what our body's need making it the best choice.
Yes, our body needs to be hydrated, but no, you do not have to drink plain water to get there.
You can be hydrated through other drinks, your right, but wouldn't you say plain water is the best choice to be hydrated?
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LegitI haven't had a Soft Drink in nearly 2 years.
1) I don't want the unwarranted Calories from the Sugars that are in them.
Not legit. Feel free to link peer reviewed study proving that.2) Diet sodas are Zero to low cal, however the body cannot process the sweeteners in them.
Not legit. Feel free to link peer reviewed clinical study proving that.3) Diet Sodas can trick the body into storing unwanted/unwarranted fat.
Like what?Plus there are a number of other side effects of Sugary Drinks and Artificial sweeteners.
That's nice, but that doesn't prove your actual points against diet sodas.I've been drinking Tea, Coffee and Water for the past 2 years. To the point I even put Iced Coffee in my Camelbak when I go cycling.....
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They are already out there. Artificial sweeteners are the MOST studied additive since the 40's. And there really is no peer reviewed clinical study (which means it can be scrutinized), that shows that they are harmful to general population who don't have PKU or other health reactions to them.justincooper405 wrote: »mjneidlinger wrote: »I haven't had a Soft Drink in nearly 2 years.
1) I don't want the unwarranted Calories from the Sugars that are in them.
2) Diet sodas are Zero to low cal, however the body cannot process the sweeteners in them.
3) Diet Sodas can trick the body into storing unwanted/unwarranted fat.
Plus there are a number of other side effects of Sugary Drinks and Artificial sweeteners.
I've been drinking Tea, Coffee and Water for the past 2 years. To the point I even put Iced Coffee in my Camelbak when I go cycling.....
You may be correct... I've read lots of research on artificial sweetners and they back up what you say.
Unfortunately much of the research is fairly new and most likely biased... the research is generally funded by the sugar companies and artificial sweetner companies.
Either way MFP'ERS are not interested in this information. (I am though) - the general consensus around here seems to be based on personal experiences, weight loss and of course the almighty CICO.
For myself I air on the side of caution and long term health and will avoid artificial sweetners until proper reputable research proves it yields zero side effects.
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Actually is not. Opinion isn't science..............it's opinion. Science relies on a collection of observation, testing, etc. The information is out there. Whether you choose to believe it or not doesn't negate it.justincooper405 wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »
That isn't how science works. It's how opinion works.justincooper405 wrote: »As for sending links, which is also pointless as people do have the right to do and believe whatever they feel to be true. I could paste 100 links saying sweetners are completely ok to consume and I could paste 100 links to state the opposite
This debate is far from science.... it's unfortunate that it offends or upsets anyone. You do you and I'll do me ...
As for this topic - I'm out
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you! Just so you know lol. And coke zero vanilla. . . just sayin. 1 -
Link some actual evidence for that. I've been drinking diet soda for over 25+ years and haven't experienced that so called health issues claimed by many a "natural" site.AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Or what about the fact that it is like 95% water or that my drs and RDs have never said to avoid them.
95% per serving probably. That 5% of artificial sweeteners add up though, depending on how much diet soda you drink. While your doctors and registered dieticians never said to avoid them, I guarantee they will never recommend them either.
How many coroners attribute death to an artificial sweetener?
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Health issues are dependent on how often a person drinks it. You said you been drinking diet soda for over 25+ years, but how often do you drink it?
As for evidence, well...are you looking for health related evidence or death related evidence?
I read an interesting article from the Harvard Health Blog that explains artificial sweeteners and their cause and affect: http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-2012071650300 -
Doesn't that depend on what you're doing? If you're losing electrolytes out of your body from extreme exercise, does just drinking water trump a drink like Gatorade in this scenario?AnthonyX150X wrote: »AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »It's neutral though and it's annoying how the anti diet soda people (not you but in general) ignore all science and act like it is a deadly toxin. Like most other things moderation is necessary.
I am not anti anything when it comes to foods and drinks. I think you took my comment as against soda, but I was referring to biggsterjackster's comment about why doctors, dentists, and nutritionists say diet soda is not the best choice simply because it is not. Water, by nature is what our body's need making it the best choice.
Yes, our body needs to be hydrated, but no, you do not have to drink plain water to get there.
You can be hydrated through other drinks, your right, but wouldn't you say plain water is the best choice to be hydrated?
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Doesn't that depend on what you're doing? If you're losing electrolytes out of your body from extreme exercise, does just drinking water trump a drink like Gatorade in this scenario?AnthonyX150X wrote: »AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »It's neutral though and it's annoying how the anti diet soda people (not you but in general) ignore all science and act like it is a deadly toxin. Like most other things moderation is necessary.
I am not anti anything when it comes to foods and drinks. I think you took my comment as against soda, but I was referring to biggsterjackster's comment about why doctors, dentists, and nutritionists say diet soda is not the best choice simply because it is not. Water, by nature is what our body's need making it the best choice.
Yes, our body needs to be hydrated, but no, you do not have to drink plain water to get there.
You can be hydrated through other drinks, your right, but wouldn't you say plain water is the best choice to be hydrated?
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To each their own when it comes to exercise, but I personally feel more refreshed drinking water after exercise.0 -
Umm... Yeah.. Moderation. -Sips 52oz diet coke from local gas station and is literally not even joking right now-5
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Doesn't that depend on what you're doing? If you're losing electrolytes out of your body from extreme exercise, does just drinking water trump a drink like Gatorade in this scenario?AnthonyX150X wrote: »AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »It's neutral though and it's annoying how the anti diet soda people (not you but in general) ignore all science and act like it is a deadly toxin. Like most other things moderation is necessary.
I am not anti anything when it comes to foods and drinks. I think you took my comment as against soda, but I was referring to biggsterjackster's comment about why doctors, dentists, and nutritionists say diet soda is not the best choice simply because it is not. Water, by nature is what our body's need making it the best choice.
Yes, our body needs to be hydrated, but no, you do not have to drink plain water to get there.
You can be hydrated through other drinks, your right, but wouldn't you say plain water is the best choice to be hydrated?
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Doesn't that depend on what you're doing? If you're losing electrolytes out of your body from extreme exercise, does just drinking water trump a drink like Gatorade in this scenario?AnthonyX150X wrote: »AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »It's neutral though and it's annoying how the anti diet soda people (not you but in general) ignore all science and act like it is a deadly toxin. Like most other things moderation is necessary.
I am not anti anything when it comes to foods and drinks. I think you took my comment as against soda, but I was referring to biggsterjackster's comment about why doctors, dentists, and nutritionists say diet soda is not the best choice simply because it is not. Water, by nature is what our body's need making it the best choice.
Yes, our body needs to be hydrated, but no, you do not have to drink plain water to get there.
You can be hydrated through other drinks, your right, but wouldn't you say plain water is the best choice to be hydrated?
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To each their own when it comes to exercise, but I personally feel more refreshed drinking water after exercise.
This is how threads get derailed.
The OP was about if diet sodas cause weight gain or muscle loss. Period.1 -
2 cans a day on average. Sometimes 3.AnthonyX150X wrote: »
Link some actual evidence for that. I've been drinking diet soda for over 25+ years and haven't experienced that so called health issues claimed by many a "natural" site.AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Or what about the fact that it is like 95% water or that my drs and RDs have never said to avoid them.
95% per serving probably. That 5% of artificial sweeteners add up though, depending on how much diet soda you drink. While your doctors and registered dieticians never said to avoid them, I guarantee they will never recommend them either.
How many coroners attribute death to an artificial sweetener?
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Health issues are dependent on how often a person drinks it. You said you been drinking diet soda for over 25+ years, but how often do you drink it?
How about something that not correlated, but an actual evidence based linked study DIRECTLY showing that artificial sweeteners create health issues and death issues in HUMANS?As for evidence, well...are you looking for health related evidence or death related evidence?
A blog is not a study though. It's opinion. And it's from an editor, not an actual scientist. Even so, the article is based on MAYBE's. If I ride my bike more than John, I MAYBE have a higher risk of getting hit by a car than him. However if I ride my bike in the middle of the road into oncoming traffic, I'll LIKELY get hit by a car. See the difference?I read an interesting article from the Harvard Health Blog that explains artificial sweeteners and their cause and affect: http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030
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AnthonyX150X wrote: »
Doesn't that depend on what you're doing? If you're losing electrolytes out of your body from extreme exercise, does just drinking water trump a drink like Gatorade in this scenario?AnthonyX150X wrote: »AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »It's neutral though and it's annoying how the anti diet soda people (not you but in general) ignore all science and act like it is a deadly toxin. Like most other things moderation is necessary.
I am not anti anything when it comes to foods and drinks. I think you took my comment as against soda, but I was referring to biggsterjackster's comment about why doctors, dentists, and nutritionists say diet soda is not the best choice simply because it is not. Water, by nature is what our body's need making it the best choice.
Yes, our body needs to be hydrated, but no, you do not have to drink plain water to get there.
You can be hydrated through other drinks, your right, but wouldn't you say plain water is the best choice to be hydrated?
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Doesn't that depend on what you're doing? If you're losing electrolytes out of your body from extreme exercise, does just drinking water trump a drink like Gatorade in this scenario?AnthonyX150X wrote: »AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »It's neutral though and it's annoying how the anti diet soda people (not you but in general) ignore all science and act like it is a deadly toxin. Like most other things moderation is necessary.
I am not anti anything when it comes to foods and drinks. I think you took my comment as against soda, but I was referring to biggsterjackster's comment about why doctors, dentists, and nutritionists say diet soda is not the best choice simply because it is not. Water, by nature is what our body's need making it the best choice.
Yes, our body needs to be hydrated, but no, you do not have to drink plain water to get there.
You can be hydrated through other drinks, your right, but wouldn't you say plain water is the best choice to be hydrated?
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To each their own when it comes to exercise, but I personally feel more refreshed drinking water after exercise.
There is a time and place for all drinks. I have a soda in the morning and in the afternoon because i like the taste. And drink 150 oz a water throughout the day (of that 96oz contain MIOs for flavor). So like all things diet and nutrient, its about context.0 -
So in other words, it's YOUR preference that you're using as evidence?AnthonyX150X wrote: »
Doesn't that depend on what you're doing? If you're losing electrolytes out of your body from extreme exercise, does just drinking water trump a drink like Gatorade in this scenario?AnthonyX150X wrote: »AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »It's neutral though and it's annoying how the anti diet soda people (not you but in general) ignore all science and act like it is a deadly toxin. Like most other things moderation is necessary.
I am not anti anything when it comes to foods and drinks. I think you took my comment as against soda, but I was referring to biggsterjackster's comment about why doctors, dentists, and nutritionists say diet soda is not the best choice simply because it is not. Water, by nature is what our body's need making it the best choice.
Yes, our body needs to be hydrated, but no, you do not have to drink plain water to get there.
You can be hydrated through other drinks, your right, but wouldn't you say plain water is the best choice to be hydrated?
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Doesn't that depend on what you're doing? If you're losing electrolytes out of your body from extreme exercise, does just drinking water trump a drink like Gatorade in this scenario?AnthonyX150X wrote: »AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »It's neutral though and it's annoying how the anti diet soda people (not you but in general) ignore all science and act like it is a deadly toxin. Like most other things moderation is necessary.
I am not anti anything when it comes to foods and drinks. I think you took my comment as against soda, but I was referring to biggsterjackster's comment about why doctors, dentists, and nutritionists say diet soda is not the best choice simply because it is not. Water, by nature is what our body's need making it the best choice.
Yes, our body needs to be hydrated, but no, you do not have to drink plain water to get there.
You can be hydrated through other drinks, your right, but wouldn't you say plain water is the best choice to be hydrated?
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To each their own when it comes to exercise, but I personally feel more refreshed drinking water after exercise.
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@ninerbuff , I said I like your style, and I still hold to that.
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http://www.m.webmd.com/diet/features/diet-sodas-and-weight-gain-not-so-fast
Several links to the available studies out there. Personally, I believe moderation is key, and a person's genetic makeup. I find that, when I am eating well, cravings for sugary foods are less.
In terms of CICO, diet sodas don't affect.0 -
2 cans a day on average. Sometimes 3.AnthonyX150X wrote: »
Link some actual evidence for that. I've been drinking diet soda for over 25+ years and haven't experienced that so called health issues claimed by many a "natural" site.AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Or what about the fact that it is like 95% water or that my drs and RDs have never said to avoid them.
95% per serving probably. That 5% of artificial sweeteners add up though, depending on how much diet soda you drink. While your doctors and registered dieticians never said to avoid them, I guarantee they will never recommend them either.
How many coroners attribute death to an artificial sweetener?
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Health issues are dependent on how often a person drinks it. You said you been drinking diet soda for over 25+ years, but how often do you drink it?
How about something that not correlated, but an actual evidence based linked study DIRECTLY showing that artificial sweeteners create health issues and death issues in HUMANS?As for evidence, well...are you looking for health related evidence or death related evidence?
A blog is not a study though. It's opinion. And it's from an editor, not an actual scientist. Even so, the article is based on MAYBE's. If I ride my bike more than John, I MAYBE have a higher risk of getting hit by a car than him. However if I ride my bike in the middle of the road into oncoming traffic, I'll LIKELY get hit by a car. See the difference?I read an interesting article from the Harvard Health Blog that explains artificial sweeteners and their cause and affect: http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030
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I really don't want to turn this in to a debate thread, especially after the original poster's answer has been concluded. I just want you to know that I am not against soda and I do believe in moderation is key to success when it comes to a diet/lifestyle change. It's unlikely that whatever link I post will persuade you to discontinue drinking soda if you having been drinking 2 cans (sometimes 3) a day for the past 25 years. You like drinking diet soda simply because you like the taste, I understand. Just so you know, that link I sent wasn't supposed to be evidence I just wanted to show you what I read about artificial sweeteners.3 -
So in other words, it's YOUR preference that you're using as evidence?AnthonyX150X wrote: »
Doesn't that depend on what you're doing? If you're losing electrolytes out of your body from extreme exercise, does just drinking water trump a drink like Gatorade in this scenario?AnthonyX150X wrote: »AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »It's neutral though and it's annoying how the anti diet soda people (not you but in general) ignore all science and act like it is a deadly toxin. Like most other things moderation is necessary.
I am not anti anything when it comes to foods and drinks. I think you took my comment as against soda, but I was referring to biggsterjackster's comment about why doctors, dentists, and nutritionists say diet soda is not the best choice simply because it is not. Water, by nature is what our body's need making it the best choice.
Yes, our body needs to be hydrated, but no, you do not have to drink plain water to get there.
You can be hydrated through other drinks, your right, but wouldn't you say plain water is the best choice to be hydrated?
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Doesn't that depend on what you're doing? If you're losing electrolytes out of your body from extreme exercise, does just drinking water trump a drink like Gatorade in this scenario?AnthonyX150X wrote: »AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »It's neutral though and it's annoying how the anti diet soda people (not you but in general) ignore all science and act like it is a deadly toxin. Like most other things moderation is necessary.
I am not anti anything when it comes to foods and drinks. I think you took my comment as against soda, but I was referring to biggsterjackster's comment about why doctors, dentists, and nutritionists say diet soda is not the best choice simply because it is not. Water, by nature is what our body's need making it the best choice.
Yes, our body needs to be hydrated, but no, you do not have to drink plain water to get there.
You can be hydrated through other drinks, your right, but wouldn't you say plain water is the best choice to be hydrated?
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To each their own when it comes to exercise, but I personally feel more refreshed drinking water after exercise.
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Dude, you're arguing with someone that had to ask what would happen if someone were to have an all carb diet.3 -
So in other words, it's YOUR preference that you're using as evidence?AnthonyX150X wrote: »
Doesn't that depend on what you're doing? If you're losing electrolytes out of your body from extreme exercise, does just drinking water trump a drink like Gatorade in this scenario?AnthonyX150X wrote: »AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »It's neutral though and it's annoying how the anti diet soda people (not you but in general) ignore all science and act like it is a deadly toxin. Like most other things moderation is necessary.
I am not anti anything when it comes to foods and drinks. I think you took my comment as against soda, but I was referring to biggsterjackster's comment about why doctors, dentists, and nutritionists say diet soda is not the best choice simply because it is not. Water, by nature is what our body's need making it the best choice.
Yes, our body needs to be hydrated, but no, you do not have to drink plain water to get there.
You can be hydrated through other drinks, your right, but wouldn't you say plain water is the best choice to be hydrated?
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Doesn't that depend on what you're doing? If you're losing electrolytes out of your body from extreme exercise, does just drinking water trump a drink like Gatorade in this scenario?AnthonyX150X wrote: »AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »It's neutral though and it's annoying how the anti diet soda people (not you but in general) ignore all science and act like it is a deadly toxin. Like most other things moderation is necessary.
I am not anti anything when it comes to foods and drinks. I think you took my comment as against soda, but I was referring to biggsterjackster's comment about why doctors, dentists, and nutritionists say diet soda is not the best choice simply because it is not. Water, by nature is what our body's need making it the best choice.
Yes, our body needs to be hydrated, but no, you do not have to drink plain water to get there.
You can be hydrated through other drinks, your right, but wouldn't you say plain water is the best choice to be hydrated?
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To each their own when it comes to exercise, but I personally feel more refreshed drinking water after exercise.
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Dude, you're arguing with someone that had to ask what would happen if someone were to have an all carb diet.
It was an honest question I asked though, I really didn't know what would happen to the body if all I ate was carbs.2 -
My actual evidence is that I have bad side effects when I eat or drink anything with artificial sweeteners like aspartame etc. But that probably doesn't count as health issues.0
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biggsterjackster wrote: »My actual evidence is that I have bad side effects when I eat or drink anything with artificial sweeteners like aspartame etc. But that probably doesn't count as health issues.
So you should avoid it but there are tons and tons that don't so they don't need to avoid it3 -
@biggsterjackster I have very bad side effects from foods with more than 2g of fiber so I guess it's horrible for everyone (no it's not, it's bad for me. Like artificial sweeteners fiber is fine for most people)1
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singingflutelady wrote: »@biggsterjackster I have very bad side effects from foods with more than 2g of fiber so I guess it's horrible for everyone (no it's not, it's bad for me. Like artificial sweeteners fiber is fine for most people)
Absolutely agree, it's only bad for me, not for everyone.0 -
I drink diet soda and my weight loss has been just fine1
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I'm open minded. If there was a great peer reviewed clinical study that showed that drinking diet soda would definitely cause a health issue, then I would have to consider if it's something that's worth it to me. The issue is is that I haven't come across anything except rat/mice studies and correlation studies that showed that one would have to have to ingest like the equivalent of a couple of cases a day of diet soda for issues to happen.AnthonyX150X wrote: »
2 cans a day on average. Sometimes 3.AnthonyX150X wrote: »
Link some actual evidence for that. I've been drinking diet soda for over 25+ years and haven't experienced that so called health issues claimed by many a "natural" site.AnthonyX150X wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Or what about the fact that it is like 95% water or that my drs and RDs have never said to avoid them.
95% per serving probably. That 5% of artificial sweeteners add up though, depending on how much diet soda you drink. While your doctors and registered dieticians never said to avoid them, I guarantee they will never recommend them either.
How many coroners attribute death to an artificial sweetener?
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Health issues are dependent on how often a person drinks it. You said you been drinking diet soda for over 25+ years, but how often do you drink it?
How about something that not correlated, but an actual evidence based linked study DIRECTLY showing that artificial sweeteners create health issues and death issues in HUMANS?As for evidence, well...are you looking for health related evidence or death related evidence?
A blog is not a study though. It's opinion. And it's from an editor, not an actual scientist. Even so, the article is based on MAYBE's. If I ride my bike more than John, I MAYBE have a higher risk of getting hit by a car than him. However if I ride my bike in the middle of the road into oncoming traffic, I'll LIKELY get hit by a car. See the difference?I read an interesting article from the Harvard Health Blog that explains artificial sweeteners and their cause and affect: http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030
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I really don't want to turn this in to a debate thread, especially after the original poster's answer has been concluded. I just want you to know that I am not against soda and I do believe in moderation is key to success when it comes to a diet/lifestyle change. It's unlikely that whatever link I post will persuade you to discontinue drinking soda if you having been drinking 2 cans (sometimes 3) a day for the past 25 years. You like drinking diet soda simply because you like the taste, I understand. Just so you know, that link I sent wasn't supposed to be evidence I just wanted to show you what I read about artificial sweeteners.
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I dont drink it in moderation tho. I drink it all the time and i only drink water during workouts.0
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healthy491 wrote: »I dont drink it in moderation tho. I drink it all the time and i only drink water during workouts.
I do pretty much the same here (I'll occasionally drink flavored water when not working out) and I've lost over 80 lbs since July. It does not prevent fat or weight loss and does not cause muscle loss. If you have zero medical issues with it, like the fact that it seems to cause migraines for some people, feel free to continue drinking it. It won't prevent you from losing weight.0 -
healthy491 wrote: »I dont drink it in moderation tho. I drink it all the time and i only drink water during workouts.
As long as you dont get dehydrated or anything, i am not sure there would be an issue. Adequate protein is what is needed to maintain muscle mass. And a deficit is needed for weight loss. Just account for the calories. At 20oz they have 10 calories.0
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