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janejellyroll wrote: »After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
It's very realistic. For people who feel substantially better on a grain-free diet, it's a no-brainer and not at all restrictive. Eating grain makes every joint in my body hurt. It makes my muscles sore. It disrupts my sleep. It disrupts my digestion. If I choose to eat grain, I'm quickly reminded of why I typically avoid it.
Why in the world are you discouraging someone from a WOE and WOL that they find helpful?!
Because of the statement that people who eat otherwise are mis-informed? Grain doesn't make my joints hurt. It doesn't make my muscles sore. It doesn't disrupt my sleep or my digestion. I'm not misinformed.
Nobody cares if OP wants to eat grain, but OP seems to care if other people do. That's the issue.
Nope, just sharing my experience. Not telling other how they should live. Pointing to information I found. I don't give a hoot what other people do. They can all die for all I care. I typically don't like people in general, and this post is reminding me why.
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Don't care
LOL why did you bring it up then?3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
It's very realistic. For people who feel substantially better on a grain-free diet, it's a no-brainer and not at all restrictive. Eating grain makes every joint in my body hurt. It makes my muscles sore. It disrupts my sleep. It disrupts my digestion. If I choose to eat grain, I'm quickly reminded of why I typically avoid it.
Why in the world are you discouraging someone from a WOE and WOL that they find helpful?!
Because of the statement that people who eat otherwise are mis-informed? Grain doesn't make my joints hurt. It doesn't make my muscles sore. It doesn't disrupt my sleep or my digestion. I'm not misinformed.
Nobody cares if OP wants to eat grain, but OP seems to care if other people do. That's the issue.
Nope, just sharing my experience. Not telling other how they should live. Pointing to information I found. I don't give a hoot what other people do. They can all die for all I care. I typically don't like people in general, and this post is reminding me why.
Well that escalated quickly.5 -
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Just curious what your normal diet looks like on NSNG? Can you advise what some of your daily meals are? Is it just essentially no processed foods - so protein, fresh fruit and veggies? Thanks much! Appreciate it!0
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ValerieMartini2Olives wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
It's very realistic. For people who feel substantially better on a grain-free diet, it's a no-brainer and not at all restrictive. Eating grain makes every joint in my body hurt. It makes my muscles sore. It disrupts my sleep. It disrupts my digestion. If I choose to eat grain, I'm quickly reminded of why I typically avoid it.
Why in the world are you discouraging someone from a WOE and WOL that they find helpful?!
Because of the statement that people who eat otherwise are mis-informed? Grain doesn't make my joints hurt. It doesn't make my muscles sore. It doesn't disrupt my sleep or my digestion. I'm not misinformed.
Nobody cares if OP wants to eat grain, but OP seems to care if other people do. That's the issue.
Nope, just sharing my experience. Not telling other how they should live. Pointing to information I found. I don't give a hoot what other people do. They can all die for all I care. I typically don't like people in general, and this post is reminding me why.
Well that escalated quickly.
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Also, there's more than sugar to worry about in candy. I'd be worried more about the processed chemicals they put in there.
Also, explain why obesity rates have increased since the government put grains on that awful food pyramid.
Which chemicals in candy do I need to be concerned with and why?
Obesity rates have increased because the number of people consuming more calories than they burn has gone up. Period.10 -
I've said all I've needed to say in the thread. I'm in 2 months and feel great and the results are visible with a very low activity level. There's plenty of places to find the information if you care to look. The main basis for the diet came from vinnietortorich dot com faqs. Go there to learn about it before going on the offensive If you're just here to refute it, your efforts are futile. Im not doing harm to my body which is the only reason people would need to jump in with their opinion. I'll post continued results monthly. Have a good day, and good luck in all your personal health endeavors.0
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suzyjane1972 wrote: »
Fruits under glycemic index of 50 are what Vinnie says. General rule is eat fruits you eat with the skin on. Berries are good. Avocados are an exception to that general rule0 -
Primal Blueprint chapter 13: "Techniques for How to Cope with Infidels While in the Glucose-Impaired, Hangry-Proselytizer Phase Without Summoning the Inner Misanthropic Zealot."17
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From the FAQs: http://vinnietortorich.com/nsng-faq/ (the site is one huge ad for supplements)
For NSNG, what can I eat?
Answer: You can eat real food, non-processed real foods. Eat vegetables, fruits, nuts/seeds, legumes (see #12 for further clarification), healthy fats and meats.
In a NSNG lifestyle, what are considered ‘sugars’?
Answer: Glucose, Fructose, Sucrose, Glucose Syrup, Corn Syrup, High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS), Fruit Sugar, Raw Honey, Maple Syrup, Molasses, Agave Nectar, Palm Sugar, Coconut Sugar. A full list of sugars can be found at this link: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-definitive-guide-to-sugar/#axzz2YfdmeAmd
What about artificial sweeteners? Are there any that are considered NSNG?
Answer: Your body treats artificial sweeteners just like real sugar. So there are no artificial sweeteners that are NSNG.
What are some NSNG suggested snacks?
Answer: Low glycemic fruit, cut veggies, hard boiled eggs, beef jerky, full fat cheese, raw nuts, olives, pumpkin seeds, 85% or greater dark chocolate, deviled eggs (homemade mayo), pepperoni slices, coconut oil, avocado, lettuce rolled up with smoked salmon and full fat cream cheese, hummus and celery, pickles, tofu, shot of olive oil, coffee with heavy cream (or grass fed butter, or coconut oil).
What about dairy? Can I eat dairy products on NSNG?
Answer: If you can tolerate dairy, then dairy is ok to eat. You may need to cut back on your dairy, mainly cheese, if you are struggling to lose weight.
...and that's where I quit scrolling.13 -
I think it's great that you found something that works provided you can stick to it and it gets you the results you're after.
Had you said something like I found something that works great for me and left it at that you probably would not have gotten the rebuttals.
First, you directly attacked the credentials of some of the forum members here without knowing their credentials to begin with. Then you said you didn't care when you were the one who brought it up.
You're also making the assumption that people have not actually seen the research that you're referring to.
Just because research exists on a given topic doesn't necessarily tell you what the totality of evidence says about that topic unless you've seen all of the research on the topic.
Furthermore, individual studies have strengths and limitations and those need to be considered as well when you are evaluating whether not research justifies the conclusions that other people make about that research.
Ultimately your diet sounds like it's pretty healthy. And I'd be willing to bet that most people consume too much sugar which is a bad thing, it's just not bad for reasons that most people think it is.
If what you're doing works, more power to you and I really do hope you get great results.
But you should really stop assuming that people who disagree with you must not have credentials or must not have seen the research because that assumption is blatantly false and you could be potentially missing out on helpful and productive information even if you don't use it right now.20 -
Also, vinnie tortorich has a doctorate from Tulane which is more than can be said about you people naysaying NSNG. He is one of the best fitness trainers out there. Go to his site, debate him...
What is your source for the doctorate claim? I can't find it on his website and his Wikipedia page (which looks like he wrote himself) doesn't have it either. When I search Google, there is nothing either. This thread comes up, but I can't find another online source for his post-graduate education.4 -
diannethegeek wrote: »From the FAQs: http://vinnietortorich.com/nsng-faq/ (the site is one huge ad for supplements)
For NSNG, what can I eat?
Answer: You can eat real food, non-processed real foods. Eat vegetables, fruits, nuts/seeds, legumes (see #12 for further clarification), healthy fats and meats.
In a NSNG lifestyle, what are considered ‘sugars’?
Answer: Glucose, Fructose, Sucrose, Glucose Syrup, Corn Syrup, High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS), Fruit Sugar, Raw Honey, Maple Syrup, Molasses, Agave Nectar, Palm Sugar, Coconut Sugar. A full list of sugars can be found at this link: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-definitive-guide-to-sugar/#axzz2YfdmeAmd
What about artificial sweeteners? Are there any that are considered NSNG?
Answer: Your body treats artificial sweeteners just like real sugar. So there are no artificial sweeteners that are NSNG.
What are some NSNG suggested snacks?
Answer: Low glycemic fruit, cut veggies, hard boiled eggs, beef jerky, full fat cheese, raw nuts, olives, pumpkin seeds, 85% or greater dark chocolate, deviled eggs (homemade mayo), pepperoni slices, coconut oil, avocado, lettuce rolled up with smoked salmon and full fat cream cheese, hummus and celery, pickles, tofu, shot of olive oil, coffee with heavy cream (or grass fed butter, or coconut oil).
What about dairy? Can I eat dairy products on NSNG?
Answer: If you can tolerate dairy, then dairy is ok to eat. You may need to cut back on your dairy, mainly cheese, if you are struggling to lose weight.
...and that's where I quit scrolling.
Mmm, a shot of olive oil. A classic snack.13 -
You'll find a body of research to back up any diet claims. The key similarity among all these diet guru's is their business strategy to capitalize on the general public's never-ending desire to find a quick fix or be part of a pretentious holier than thou diet cult. These things may work for some people some of the time, but no one should be claiming that one way is the fix for everyone. Sugar may share some of the addictive properties of certain drugs, but it is not "more addictive than crack!" If you eat tons of crap food all the time, yes your body may not feel so great. But the idea that we need to eat certain things or drink juice or buy supplements to "detox" is ridiculous. Unless your liver or kidneys are broken or you're addicted to drugs and alcohol, you don't need to "detoxify your body".3
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After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
If it works for him, it's the key. Although I wouldn't do it, this doesn't seem at all unrealistic, or even mildly difficult.
OP: If you haven't listened to Rogan's podcasts with Rhonda Patrick, I highly recommend them.0
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