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suzyjane1972 wrote: »
Fruits under glycemic index of 50 are what Vinnie says. General rule is eat fruits you eat with the skin on. Berries are good. Avocados are an exception to that general rule
Glycemic index isn't relevant for those with normal functioning bodies. It was developed specifically for diabetics. If you don't have health problems concerning insulin production or insulin resistance, then the glycemic index is meaningless.4 -
suzyjane1972 wrote: »
Fruits under glycemic index of 50 are what Vinnie says. General rule is eat fruits you eat with the skin on. Berries are good. Avocados are an exception to that general rule
Glycemic index isn't relevant for those with normal functioning bodies. It was developed specifically for diabetics. If you don't have health problems concerning insulin production or insulin resistance, then the glycemic index is meaningless.
It's likely meaningless for diabetics as well unless they are eating carbohydrates in isolation after a long fast.0 -
It's so funny to me how angry and defensive people get when someone has great results eating any other way than CICO. If it works for them and is not detrimental in any way to a persons health, why such anger?
CICO is not a way of eating. If OP is losing weight, he's applying CICO. I did paleo for a while (decided cutting out legumes and dairy and foods I am unlikely to overeat personally, like grains, was pointless and that I could eat as healthfully while not doing it, but I get why it works for some as a way to change focus). I lost weight when doing paleo due to CICO. I also know lots of people who do paleo and don't lose (sometimes they don't want to, sometimes they do). That's also due to CICO.6 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
If it works for him, it's the key. Although I wouldn't do it, this doesn't seem at all unrealistic, or even mildly difficult.
Never eating sugar or grains in any amount for the rest of your life doesn't even seem mildly difficult to you? What? Lol. What are you going to eat on your birthday? A pile of fruit that's made to look like a cake? Never going to eat another sandwich for the rest of your life? Not going to have a burger or hot dog with the bun? Idk, to me entirely cutting out sugar and grains forever would be very difficult, and even if I could do it, it would make for a sad life lol.5 -
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xmichaelyx wrote: »After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
If it works for him, it's the key. Although I wouldn't do it, this doesn't seem at all unrealistic, or even mildly difficult.
Never eating sugar or grains in any amount for the rest of your life doesn't even seem mildly difficult to you? What? Lol. What are you going to eat on your birthday? A pile of fruit that's made to look like a cake? Never going to eat another sandwich for the rest of your life? Not going to have a burger or hot dog with the bun? Idk, to me entirely cutting out sugar and grains forever would be very difficult, and even if I could do it, it would make for a sad life lol.
I honestly couldn't do it for even a week. Luckily, there is absolutely no need.
#proofisinthepudding13 -
GGGAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!
You beat me to it.2 -
suzyjane1972 wrote: »
Fruits under glycemic index of 50 are what Vinnie says. General rule is eat fruits you eat with the skin on. Berries are good. Avocados are an exception to that general rule
Vinnie has no *kitten* clue what the glycemic index is or means, then.
I'm not surprised.6 -
After 30 days, it doesn't feel restrictive, it feels liberating. And it is very practical for a person who wants to lead a healthy lifestyle.
And what is more effective?
Anyone can stick to any diet for 30 days, that's pretty meaningless honestly. When you've gone a year without eating any grain or any sugar let me know. I won't hold my breath...
It's been over 4 years for me and have no problems sticking with it. To me, dragging a scale out every time I put something in my mouth is too restrictive for me. I guess it's all about priorities and sugar and grains definitely aren't on the top of my list. This woe makes me feel better and that is at the top of my list. To each his own.2 -
xmichaelyx wrote: »After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
If it works for him, it's the key. Although I wouldn't do it, this doesn't seem at all unrealistic, or even mildly difficult.
Never eating sugar or grains in any amount for the rest of your life doesn't even seem mildly difficult to you? What? Lol. What are you going to eat on your birthday? A pile of fruit that's made to look like a cake? Never going to eat another sandwich for the rest of your life? Not going to have a burger or hot dog with the bun? Idk, to me entirely cutting out sugar and grains forever would be very difficult, and even if I could do it, it would make for a sad life lol.
I honestly couldn't do it for even a week. Luckily, there is absolutely no need.
#proofisinthepudding
There better not be sugar in that pudding.
But, I kinda feel bad for OP. Unless he's trolling (if you are, you're brilliant) he's excited he found something that works for him. He has seen results, and I'm happy for him. His excitement led him to want to spread the word, and I understand that too. But, his delivery triggered those of us who know how hard and unnecessary diets based on restriction are, and then it all spiraled downward.
OP, should you come back, you keep doing what you want to do. I don't think anyone in here is telling you that you need to change your mind or your approach. Rather, they're telling everybody else that your method is certainly not the only one, and it's probably making things harder than they need to be.
Good luck to you.7 -
itsthehumidity wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
If it works for him, it's the key. Although I wouldn't do it, this doesn't seem at all unrealistic, or even mildly difficult.
Never eating sugar or grains in any amount for the rest of your life doesn't even seem mildly difficult to you? What? Lol. What are you going to eat on your birthday? A pile of fruit that's made to look like a cake? Never going to eat another sandwich for the rest of your life? Not going to have a burger or hot dog with the bun? Idk, to me entirely cutting out sugar and grains forever would be very difficult, and even if I could do it, it would make for a sad life lol.
I honestly couldn't do it for even a week. Luckily, there is absolutely no need.
#proofisinthepudding
There better not be sugar in that pudding.
But, I kinda feel bad for OP. Unless he's trolling (if you are, you're brilliant) he's excited he found something that works for him. He has seen results, and I'm happy for him. His excitement led him to want to spread the word, and I understand that too. But, his delivery triggered those of us who know how hard and unnecessary diets based on restriction are, and then it all spiraled downward.
OP, should you come back, you keep doing what you want to do. I don't think anyone in here is telling you that you need to change your mind or your approach. Rather, they're telling everybody else that your method is certainly not the only one, and it's probably making things harder than they need to be.
Good luck to you.
Yup. The contention isn't the diet. It's the delivery.0 -
diannethegeek wrote: »From the FAQs: http://vinnietortorich.com/nsng-faq/ (the site is one huge ad for supplements)
For NSNG, what can I eat?
Answer: You can eat real food, non-processed real foods. Eat vegetables, fruits, nuts/seeds, legumes (see #12 for further clarification), healthy fats and meats.
In a NSNG lifestyle, what are considered ‘sugars’?
Answer: Glucose, Fructose, Sucrose, Glucose Syrup, Corn Syrup, High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS), Fruit Sugar, Raw Honey, Maple Syrup, Molasses, Agave Nectar, Palm Sugar, Coconut Sugar. A full list of sugars can be found at this link: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-definitive-guide-to-sugar/#axzz2YfdmeAmd
What about artificial sweeteners? Are there any that are considered NSNG?
Answer: Your body treats artificial sweeteners just like real sugar. So there are no artificial sweeteners that are NSNG.
What are some NSNG suggested snacks?
Answer: Low glycemic fruit, cut veggies, hard boiled eggs, beef jerky, full fat cheese, raw nuts, olives, pumpkin seeds, 85% or greater dark chocolate, deviled eggs (homemade mayo), pepperoni slices, coconut oil, avocado, lettuce rolled up with smoked salmon and full fat cream cheese, hummus and celery, pickles, tofu, shot of olive oil, coffee with heavy cream (or grass fed butter, or coconut oil).
What about dairy? Can I eat dairy products on NSNG?
Answer: If you can tolerate dairy, then dairy is ok to eat. You may need to cut back on your dairy, mainly cheese, if you are struggling to lose weight.
...and that's where I quit scrolling.
That list looks like the old comedy schtick of a guy crossing his arms and pointing to both sides saying "He went that way!"5 -
I followed the Belly Fat diet for a while by Jorge Cruise. It worked well for me. It basically limits carbs and sugars. I don't think the average person realizes just how much sugar is in almost everything we eat. He limits it though, doesn't actually eliminates it. I think as long as you monitor what you eat and eat in moderation, that's the key. It's ok to have a couple of cookies, a scoop of ice cream or a slice of pizza once in a while. Just don't eat the box, a carton, or a whole pizza pie. My two cents...
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itsthehumidity wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
If it works for him, it's the key. Although I wouldn't do it, this doesn't seem at all unrealistic, or even mildly difficult.
Never eating sugar or grains in any amount for the rest of your life doesn't even seem mildly difficult to you? What? Lol. What are you going to eat on your birthday? A pile of fruit that's made to look like a cake? Never going to eat another sandwich for the rest of your life? Not going to have a burger or hot dog with the bun? Idk, to me entirely cutting out sugar and grains forever would be very difficult, and even if I could do it, it would make for a sad life lol.
I honestly couldn't do it for even a week. Luckily, there is absolutely no need.
#proofisinthepudding
There better not be sugar in that pudding.
But, I kinda feel bad for OP. Unless he's trolling (if you are, you're brilliant) he's excited he found something that works for him. He has seen results, and I'm happy for him. His excitement led him to want to spread the word, and I understand that too. But, his delivery triggered those of us who know how hard and unnecessary diets based on restriction are, and then it all spiraled downward.
OP, should you come back, you keep doing what you want to do. I don't think anyone in here is telling you that you need to change your mind or your approach. Rather, they're telling everybody else that your method is certainly not the only one, and it's probably making things harder than they need to be.
Good luck to you.
His delivery triggered you? I think perhaps you read way too much into "how" he was saying it because he was saying something with which you happen to disagree. There have been plenty of other people in this topic who have made generalizations about this style of eating, i.e. that the sort of the diet the OP proposed is too restrictive, it's unrealistic, etc, based on what they personally would be able to do (and not clarifying in their post that they are speaking only for themselves), but I don't see anyone getting "triggered" by that. It's the same exact thing.
As far as his methodology, it's not something I would do, but I'm also not going to tell someone else what is or is not difficult for them. Some people find that eliminating certain foods for a period of time is helpful for them, and find after a period of this practice that they really don't feel any need to incorporate those foods in their diet. Just because someone else would find it difficult or unrealistic for their lifestyle doesn't mean it isn't a perfectly acceptable solution for someone else.5 -
itsthehumidity wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
If it works for him, it's the key. Although I wouldn't do it, this doesn't seem at all unrealistic, or even mildly difficult.
Never eating sugar or grains in any amount for the rest of your life doesn't even seem mildly difficult to you? What? Lol. What are you going to eat on your birthday? A pile of fruit that's made to look like a cake? Never going to eat another sandwich for the rest of your life? Not going to have a burger or hot dog with the bun? Idk, to me entirely cutting out sugar and grains forever would be very difficult, and even if I could do it, it would make for a sad life lol.
I honestly couldn't do it for even a week. Luckily, there is absolutely no need.
#proofisinthepudding
There better not be sugar in that pudding.
But, I kinda feel bad for OP. Unless he's trolling (if you are, you're brilliant) he's excited he found something that works for him. He has seen results, and I'm happy for him. His excitement led him to want to spread the word, and I understand that too. But, his delivery triggered those of us who know how hard and unnecessary diets based on restriction are, and then it all spiraled downward.
OP, should you come back, you keep doing what you want to do. I don't think anyone in here is telling you that you need to change your mind or your approach. Rather, they're telling everybody else that your method is certainly not the only one, and it's probably making things harder than they need to be.
Good luck to you.
His delivery triggered you? I think perhaps you read way too much into "how" he was saying it because he was saying something with which you happen to disagree. There have been plenty of other people in this topic who have made generalizations about this style of eating, i.e. that the sort of the diet the OP proposed is too restrictive, it's unrealistic, etc, based on what they personally would be able to do (and not clarifying in their post that they are speaking only for themselves), but I don't see anyone getting "triggered" by that. It's the same exact thing.
As far as his methodology, it's not something I would do, but I'm also not going to tell someone else what is or is not difficult for them. Some people find that eliminating certain foods for a period of time is helpful for them, and find after a period of this practice that they really don't feel any need to incorporate those foods in their diet. Just because someone else would find it difficult or unrealistic for their lifestyle doesn't mean it isn't a perfectly acceptable solution for someone else.
He insinuated in the OP that this way is the only way to eat "healthy" and the conventional wisdom is wrong... That triggered responses. He then followed up with posts that implied no one else had done research. Which of course triggered more responses.
So yes, it's the delivery.10 -
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janejellyroll wrote: »Also, vinnie tortorich has a doctorate from Tulane which is more than can be said about you people naysaying NSNG. He is one of the best fitness trainers out there. Go to his site, debate him...
What is your source for the doctorate claim? I can't find it on his website and his Wikipedia page (which looks like he wrote himself) doesn't have it either. When I search Google, there is nothing either. This thread comes up, but I can't find another online source for his post-graduate education.
litterally this. I mentioned i have a masters in nutrition he then threw it in my face that he has a doctorate. Yet NOTHING says he has a doctorate except ONE TWEET where he said "you dont need a phd to know sugar is bad for you" or something like that. Please tell me people are not assuming that means he has a phd.10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
It's very realistic. For people who feel substantially better on a grain-free diet, it's a no-brainer and not at all restrictive. Eating grain makes every joint in my body hurt. It makes my muscles sore. It disrupts my sleep. It disrupts my digestion. If I choose to eat grain, I'm quickly reminded of why I typically avoid it.
Why in the world are you discouraging someone from a WOE and WOL that they find helpful?!
Because of the statement that people who eat otherwise are mis-informed? Grain doesn't make my joints hurt. It doesn't make my muscles sore. It doesn't disrupt my sleep or my digestion. I'm not misinformed.
Nobody cares if OP wants to eat grain, but OP seems to care if other people do. That's the issue.
Hmmm... We must have read different posts? I see where OP states "I was misinformed" but not where it states that "people who eat otherwise are mis-informed" as you stated.
Why so defensive, when someone is sharing what works for them? A good question for self-reflection, if one wishes to pursue it. Personally, I prefer 'appreciative joy,' a Buddhist concept. Has helped tremendously with anger over the years.2 -
itsthehumidity wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »After 4 years of yo-yo'ing I've found the key...NSNG - NO SUGAR, NO GRAINS
No you haven't lol. A restrictive diet is never "the key". Do you really plan on eliminating sugar and grains from your diet for the rest or your life? No cookies, no cake, no brownies, no candy, no pasta, no cereal, no bread...for the rest of your life? Does that really seem practical or realistic to you. If that's your plan, by all means good luck, but there are better, more enjoyable, and not to mention more effective ways to go about eating healthy.
If it works for him, it's the key. Although I wouldn't do it, this doesn't seem at all unrealistic, or even mildly difficult.
Never eating sugar or grains in any amount for the rest of your life doesn't even seem mildly difficult to you? What? Lol. What are you going to eat on your birthday? A pile of fruit that's made to look like a cake? Never going to eat another sandwich for the rest of your life? Not going to have a burger or hot dog with the bun? Idk, to me entirely cutting out sugar and grains forever would be very difficult, and even if I could do it, it would make for a sad life lol.
I honestly couldn't do it for even a week. Luckily, there is absolutely no need.
#proofisinthepudding
There better not be sugar in that pudding.
But, I kinda feel bad for OP. Unless he's trolling (if you are, you're brilliant) he's excited he found something that works for him. He has seen results, and I'm happy for him. His excitement led him to want to spread the word, and I understand that too. But, his delivery triggered those of us who know how hard and unnecessary diets based on restriction are, and then it all spiraled downward.
OP, should you come back, you keep doing what you want to do. I don't think anyone in here is telling you that you need to change your mind or your approach. Rather, they're telling everybody else that your method is certainly not the only one, and it's probably making things harder than they need to be.
Good luck to you.
i dont think anyone is saying he shouldnt continue his diet or even believe in it. Point was he was staying its the key and only way of life and the only way to be healthy. In my opion some of these people like him or david avocado have almost a cultish way about them with like.. no credentials. No you dont need a degree to be knowledgeable but the point is not everything someone says is the truth. I dont care how someome eats.. i do care when someone says a restriction diet is the end all be all of health and/or weighloss.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Also, vinnie tortorich has a doctorate from Tulane which is more than can be said about you people naysaying NSNG. He is one of the best fitness trainers out there. Go to his site, debate him...
What is your source for the doctorate claim? I can't find it on his website and his Wikipedia page (which looks like he wrote himself) doesn't have it either. When I search Google, there is nothing either. This thread comes up, but I can't find another online source for his post-graduate education.
litterally this. I mentioned i have a masters in nutrition he then threw it in my face that he has a doctorate. Yet NOTHING says he has a doctorate except ONE TWEET where he said "you dont need a phd to know sugar is bad for you" or something like that. Please tell me people are not assuming that means he has a phd.
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