Deadlifting on Smith Machine

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  • PoundChaser2
    PoundChaser2 Posts: 241 Member
    Tough crowd......
  • singingflutelady
    singingflutelady Posts: 8,736 Member
    Runngurl43 wrote: »
    Tough crowd......

    Well he asked and deadlifting (and squatting) using the Smith machine is a bad idea
  • richardpkennedy1
    richardpkennedy1 Posts: 1,890 Member
    SonyaCele wrote: »
    SonyaCele wrote: »
    _MistahJ_ wrote: »
    All good advice but I don't think anybody has specifically pointed this out. Your rear is the first thing that moves in your video, and it shouldn't be. Keeping your back in a neutral position and driving through your legs (think of pushing the ground away from you) will help keep your butt low.

    getting completely tight and engaged and in the right position before pulling will keep the butt down. The butt comes up when you aren't rock solid tight. It takes some time to train your body to engage every muscle in your body (this is the granddaddy of all lifts) Pulling any slack out of the bar helps , Among other things, i pull the slack out of the bar then raise my hips up to lock up my hams and glutes and keeping them tight i drop them back down and pull. You're body needs to be a rock and locked into position. For me, my cue isn't "pulling up the bar", my cue is to just stand up without leaning forward. super simple. all the power comes from my legs.

    Wow this is awesome advice. Never thought of it like that! How much do you deadline?

    oh i'm just a broken old lady. my 1rm is 305.

    Lol. If a broken old lady can deadlift 305, what does that make me?!
  • arditarose
    arditarose Posts: 15,573 Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    @Carlos_421 great advice, but why are shorts a bad idea?? I don't wear shorts anyway, but just curious.

    Because the rough texture of the iron bar will scrape the skin right off your shins.

    sometimes that happens with pants on too....

    Too true. I also don't wear my favorite pants on deadlift day either because I don't want to wear holes in em.

    I thought this was going somewhere else. I've been listening to Mark Bell and his poop stories too much.
  • Carlos_421
    Carlos_421 Posts: 5,132 Member
    arditarose wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    @Carlos_421 great advice, but why are shorts a bad idea?? I don't wear shorts anyway, but just curious.

    Because the rough texture of the iron bar will scrape the skin right off your shins.

    sometimes that happens with pants on too....

    Too true. I also don't wear my favorite pants on deadlift day either because I don't want to wear holes in em.

    I thought this was going somewhere else. I've been listening to Mark Bell and his poop stories too much.

    Lol! The first rule of deadlifts: poop first.
  • jmaidan
    jmaidan Posts: 93 Member
    Hate to tell you... but that's an 80kg rack pull.
  • geekyjock76
    geekyjock76 Posts: 2,720 Member
    This may be the worst idea I have seen in a while...

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    How about this for a bad idea...

    I see some fitness models in YouTube videos doing that. Really silly and dangerous. I also see others standing on the hip adduction/abduction machine instead of being seated and using the equipment the way it was designed.
  • arditarose
    arditarose Posts: 15,573 Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    arditarose wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    @Carlos_421 great advice, but why are shorts a bad idea?? I don't wear shorts anyway, but just curious.

    Because the rough texture of the iron bar will scrape the skin right off your shins.

    sometimes that happens with pants on too....

    Too true. I also don't wear my favorite pants on deadlift day either because I don't want to wear holes in em.

    I thought this was going somewhere else. I've been listening to Mark Bell and his poop stories too much.

    Lol! The first rule of deadlifts: poop first.

    :D

    I haven't been QUITE there yet but the other day was the first time I was like....I should really try and take a pee before I pick this up.
  • Shawshankcan
    Shawshankcan Posts: 900 Member
    This may be the worst idea I have seen in a while...

    itot05qjmt9c.jpg

    How about this for a bad idea...

    I see some fitness models in YouTube videos doing that. Really silly and dangerous. I also see others standing on the hip adduction/abduction machine instead of being seated and using the equipment the way it was designed.

    Its an old school leg press variations. Put the saftey stops in on the smith machine and it's fine
  • BalletAndBarbells
    BalletAndBarbells Posts: 334 Member
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.
  • richardpkennedy1
    richardpkennedy1 Posts: 1,890 Member
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    Thanks for the tips. I'm going down to go down 100 lbs deadlifts to get my form right (when I have access to a barbell again). Will post vids. Are there any other lifts I can do with dumbbells to build overall power?
  • Shawshankcan
    Shawshankcan Posts: 900 Member
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    Thanks for the tips. I'm going down to go down 100 lbs deadlifts to get my form right (when I have access to a barbell again). Will post vids. Are there any other lifts I can do with dumbbells to build overall power?

    Go to 135. Less and you'll change the leverages caused by using smaller plates. 135 will be at the height your deadlifting "career" will be at regularly.
  • richardpkennedy1
    richardpkennedy1 Posts: 1,890 Member
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    Thanks for the tips. I'm going down to go down 100 lbs deadlifts to get my form right (when I have access to a barbell again). Will post vids. Are there any other lifts I can do with dumbbells to build overall power?

    Go to 135. Less and you'll change the leverages caused by using smaller plates. 135 will be at the height your deadlifting "career" will be at regularly.

    I'm doing 135 in the video above. Was advised to go lower.
  • Shawshankcan
    Shawshankcan Posts: 900 Member
    Going to 25lb plates lowers the bar thre inches which changes how you pull. If you need that weight, put them on blocks.

    https://youtu.be/oiDczs9j75E

    This video may help you.
  • SonyaCele
    SonyaCele Posts: 2,841 Member
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    Thanks for the tips. I'm going down to go down 100 lbs deadlifts to get my form right (when I have access to a barbell again). Will post vids. Are there any other lifts I can do with dumbbells to build overall power?

    Go to 135. Less and you'll change the leverages caused by using smaller plates. 135 will be at the height your deadlifting "career" will be at regularly.

    I'm doing 135 in the video above. Was advised to go lower.

    you don't need to go lower, start at 135, that was easy weight for you in your video .
  • Carlos_421
    Carlos_421 Posts: 5,132 Member
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    Thanks for the tips. I'm going down to go down 100 lbs deadlifts to get my form right (when I have access to a barbell again). Will post vids. Are there any other lifts I can do with dumbbells to build overall power?

    Go to 135. Less and you'll change the leverages caused by using smaller plates. 135 will be at the height your deadlifting "career" will be at regularly.

    I'm doing 135 in the video above. Was advised to go lower.

    It was poor advice. You weren't even close to struggling with the weight in your video and proper form will actually enable you to lift more.
  • BalletAndBarbells
    BalletAndBarbells Posts: 334 Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    Thanks for the tips. I'm going down to go down 100 lbs deadlifts to get my form right (when I have access to a barbell again). Will post vids. Are there any other lifts I can do with dumbbells to build overall power?

    Go to 135. Less and you'll change the leverages caused by using smaller plates. 135 will be at the height your deadlifting "career" will be at regularly.

    I'm doing 135 in the video above. Was advised to go lower.

    It was poor advice. You weren't even close to struggling with the weight in your video and proper form will actually enable you to lift more.

    Personally I'd say OP was struggling with the weight because otherwise his form wouldn't have collapsed! Hence why I advised to practice form with lower weight and I did recognise that he would need to prop up on plates to get the correct height.
  • BalletAndBarbells
    BalletAndBarbells Posts: 334 Member
    OP, you can deadlift with dumbells if you like and I would also recommend the goblet squat as you'll be able to go pretty heavy with a dumbell and it'll help you get your butt down further.
  • richardpkennedy1
    richardpkennedy1 Posts: 1,890 Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    Thanks for the tips. I'm going down to go down 100 lbs deadlifts to get my form right (when I have access to a barbell again). Will post vids. Are there any other lifts I can do with dumbbells to build overall power?

    Go to 135. Less and you'll change the leverages caused by using smaller plates. 135 will be at the height your deadlifting "career" will be at regularly.

    I'm doing 135 in the video above. Was advised to go lower.

    It was poor advice. You weren't even close to struggling with the weight in your video and proper form will actually enable you to lift more.

    Personally I'd say OP was struggling with the weight because otherwise his form wouldn't have collapsed! Hence why I advised to practice form with lower weight and I did recognise that he would need to prop up on plates to get the correct height.
    OK thanks. It was a little difficult. Maybe same weight but less reps?
  • richardpkennedy1
    richardpkennedy1 Posts: 1,890 Member
    OP, you can deadlift with dumbells if you like and I would also recommend the goblet squat as you'll be able to go pretty heavy with a dumbell and it'll help you get your butt down further.

    Thanks for this. Someone recommended a goblet squat to me recently.
  • SonyaCele
    SonyaCele Posts: 2,841 Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    Thanks for the tips. I'm going down to go down 100 lbs deadlifts to get my form right (when I have access to a barbell again). Will post vids. Are there any other lifts I can do with dumbbells to build overall power?

    Go to 135. Less and you'll change the leverages caused by using smaller plates. 135 will be at the height your deadlifting "career" will be at regularly.

    I'm doing 135 in the video above. Was advised to go lower.

    It was poor advice. You weren't even close to struggling with the weight in your video and proper form will actually enable you to lift more.

    Personally I'd say OP was struggling with the weight because otherwise his form wouldn't have collapsed! Hence why I advised to practice form with lower weight and I did recognise that he would need to prop up on plates to get the correct height.

    his form didn't collapse because of the weight, his form was off because it needed to be fixed, an easy fix and that weight will be even easier for him once he makes those few adjustments.
  • SonyaCele
    SonyaCele Posts: 2,841 Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    Thanks for the tips. I'm going down to go down 100 lbs deadlifts to get my form right (when I have access to a barbell again). Will post vids. Are there any other lifts I can do with dumbbells to build overall power?

    Go to 135. Less and you'll change the leverages caused by using smaller plates. 135 will be at the height your deadlifting "career" will be at regularly.

    I'm doing 135 in the video above. Was advised to go lower.

    It was poor advice. You weren't even close to struggling with the weight in your video and proper form will actually enable you to lift more.

    Personally I'd say OP was struggling with the weight because otherwise his form wouldn't have collapsed! Hence why I advised to practice form with lower weight and I did recognise that he would need to prop up on plates to get the correct height.
    OK thanks. It was a little difficult. Maybe same weight but less reps?

    yes same weight or even more , less reps. You should actually be doing 1 rep at a time, resetting in between and really focusing on your form and set up and getting tight for the next rep. Once you get it all dialed in you could do some light sets of 3 or 5 or 8. But as you get heavier, sets of 1 are good for deadlifts. Its such a massive lift that 1 rep heavy sets are fine.
  • Shawshankcan
    Shawshankcan Posts: 900 Member
    SonyaCele wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    Thanks for the tips. I'm going down to go down 100 lbs deadlifts to get my form right (when I have access to a barbell again). Will post vids. Are there any other lifts I can do with dumbbells to build overall power?

    Go to 135. Less and you'll change the leverages caused by using smaller plates. 135 will be at the height your deadlifting "career" will be at regularly.

    I'm doing 135 in the video above. Was advised to go lower.

    It was poor advice. You weren't even close to struggling with the weight in your video and proper form will actually enable you to lift more.

    Personally I'd say OP was struggling with the weight because otherwise his form wouldn't have collapsed! Hence why I advised to practice form with lower weight and I did recognise that he would need to prop up on plates to get the correct height.

    his form didn't collapse because of the weight, his form was off because it needed to be fixed, an easy fix and that weight will be even easier for him once he makes those few adjustments.

    Agreed. People need to stop trying to rebuild a lift from zero. Form will change with weight on the bar.
  • Fittreelol
    Fittreelol Posts: 2,535 Member
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    I disagree. The best deadlifters tend to depress and protract their shoulder blades. They will not stay retracted under heavy loads.
  • BalletAndBarbells
    BalletAndBarbells Posts: 334 Member
    Fittreelol wrote: »
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    I disagree. The best deadlifters tend to depress and protract their shoulder blades. They will not stay retracted under heavy loads.

    Sorry to hijack but I might also learn something here - what do others think about this? I've always been told I need to put my shoulderblades in my back pockets and pull tight for Deadlifts (and all lifts in fact) but is this not right? I'm not a professional! SonyaCele, what's your thoughts since you're a pro lifter?
  • BalletAndBarbells
    BalletAndBarbells Posts: 334 Member
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    Thanks for the tips. I'm going down to go down 100 lbs deadlifts to get my form right (when I have access to a barbell again). Will post vids. Are there any other lifts I can do with dumbbells to build overall power?

    Go to 135. Less and you'll change the leverages caused by using smaller plates. 135 will be at the height your deadlifting "career" will be at regularly.

    I'm doing 135 in the video above. Was advised to go lower.

    It was poor advice. You weren't even close to struggling with the weight in your video and proper form will actually enable you to lift more.

    Personally I'd say OP was struggling with the weight because otherwise his form wouldn't have collapsed! Hence why I advised to practice form with lower weight and I did recognise that he would need to prop up on plates to get the correct height.
    OK thanks. It was a little difficult. Maybe same weight but less reps?

    Same weight, less reps could work! Certainly work ok form rather than number of reps. The advice I've always been given is that if you do a poor form rep, stop and reset and then try again to show yourself you can do it! I'm not a pro so I would take SonyaCele's advice over mine!!
  • BalletAndBarbells
    BalletAndBarbells Posts: 334 Member
    SonyaCele wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    Thanks for the tips. I'm going down to go down 100 lbs deadlifts to get my form right (when I have access to a barbell again). Will post vids. Are there any other lifts I can do with dumbbells to build overall power?

    Go to 135. Less and you'll change the leverages caused by using smaller plates. 135 will be at the height your deadlifting "career" will be at regularly.

    I'm doing 135 in the video above. Was advised to go lower.

    It was poor advice. You weren't even close to struggling with the weight in your video and proper form will actually enable you to lift more.

    Personally I'd say OP was struggling with the weight because otherwise his form wouldn't have collapsed! Hence why I advised to practice form with lower weight and I did recognise that he would need to prop up on plates to get the correct height.

    his form didn't collapse because of the weight, his form was off because it needed to be fixed, an easy fix and that weight will be even easier for him once he makes those few adjustments.

    Thanks SonyaCele, maybe this is where I am going wrong - I always drop back 5kg if my form slips and work hard until I feel ready to build again - is this the wrong thing to do?
  • SonyaCele
    SonyaCele Posts: 2,841 Member
    Fittreelol wrote: »
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    I disagree. The best deadlifters tend to depress and protract their shoulder blades. They will not stay retracted under heavy loads.

    Sorry to hijack but I might also learn something here - what do others think about this? I've always been told I need to put my shoulderblades in my back pockets and pull tight for Deadlifts (and all lifts in fact) but is this not right? I'm not a professional! SonyaCele, what's your thoughts since you're a pro lifter?

    i have no idea what he means by depress and protact and retracted. I roll my shoulders down and back and hold them tight. yes for all lifts. and i keep them back tight even under heavy loads. thats where the strength is, in a tight solid upper body. and lol, i woudlnt really call myself a pro lifter
  • SonyaCele
    SonyaCele Posts: 2,841 Member
    SonyaCele wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Shoulders need to go back and down - imagine tying your scapula to your waistband!
    Then tighten every single muscle in your body, breathe in, brace your core and stand up!
    Don't think about lifting the bar, think about keeping your back straight, muscles taught and standing up. Your hips go forward but don't think about that too much either or you'll end up snapping/jerking whereas you need to be slow and controlled in a deadlift.
    I would suggest cutting the weight down until you have the form down to perfect. You can prop the barbell up on a couple of plates if you need to use small plates on each end.

    Thanks for the tips. I'm going down to go down 100 lbs deadlifts to get my form right (when I have access to a barbell again). Will post vids. Are there any other lifts I can do with dumbbells to build overall power?

    Go to 135. Less and you'll change the leverages caused by using smaller plates. 135 will be at the height your deadlifting "career" will be at regularly.

    I'm doing 135 in the video above. Was advised to go lower.

    It was poor advice. You weren't even close to struggling with the weight in your video and proper form will actually enable you to lift more.

    Personally I'd say OP was struggling with the weight because otherwise his form wouldn't have collapsed! Hence why I advised to practice form with lower weight and I did recognise that he would need to prop up on plates to get the correct height.

    his form didn't collapse because of the weight, his form was off because it needed to be fixed, an easy fix and that weight will be even easier for him once he makes those few adjustments.

    Thanks SonyaCele, maybe this is where I am going wrong - I always drop back 5kg if my form slips and work hard until I feel ready to build again - is this the wrong thing to do?

    If its really heavy, then yeah drop weight to more comfortable working weight. But ideally correcting your form will make the weight easier, so its not always an issue of going lighter, its just an issue of correcting form. In richard's video, the weight was easy for him, and when he makes the couple fixes people have recommended he's gonna see that 135 is super easy.