This is why people gain weight, and why losing it is so hard.
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And again: you're not at your goal weight. You'll need much less food then. It's gotta be a paradigm shift. It really does. Think about it: what do you hear every day as the "reference" value for a standard person: a 2000 calorie diet. What will you have when you get to your goal? A 2000 calorie diet. That you think that's tiny is the issue.
That calculator is very similar to the one I used. I just put in all of my information and calculated it at my goal weight. Other calculators have said 1899, this one says 1967. that's virtually the same thing. 68 calories is not enough to change anything.You sound discouraged, my man. If I could offer some hope... 1899 seems extremely low for any kind of maintenance. What are your stats?
This is what I was going to say. I'm a 5 ft 4 female at with a weight range 140-145 and I maintain in 1960 without exercise, and between 2060 and 2200 with exercise, depending on what I do. OP is a guy. Something is not right with the TDEE calc.
It's correct. I've tried it out on 3 separate calculators and they all say the same thing.
No it's not.
I just used this calculator set at the sedentary setting and came up with much higher numbers. You're inputting wrong information.
Your TDEE is: 2826 Calories per day
Your BMR is: 2355 Calories per day
We suggest the following for your goal to Maintain
2826 Calories per day
To lose to pounds a week you'd eat 2260, then your calories would decrease with every ten pounds you lose.
Let's say you reach your goal weight of 165 (I don't know if that's your goal weight, this is just for demonstration purposes) in 2018 (100 pounds is a lot to lose), then your TDEE at sedentary would be 2063.
Some folks here are thinking...2000 calories??? Lucky him!
And, again, learning to eat some whole foods *instead* of just fast food etc. is going to be the key.11 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
@Sued0nim do you agree that this is your daily approach?Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?
Yes based on your suggested menu if this is suppose to be a common occurrence.
"Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need"
Yes because my response was not flippant and was a 100% serious attempt at giving the OP a fully sustainable diet plan that he should adhere to daily; that approach and has worked well for users such as Sued0nim.
I'm not sure I know what's going on any more
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Smiles I looked at your sample diary that you posted on page one. And then I read the quote above that says you skip breakfast, eat oatmeal and peanut butter for lunch, have three slices of pizza for dinner and binge drink on fridays. And this was proposed as a "plan" for the OP based on YOU.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
@Sued0nim do you agree that this is your daily approach?Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?
Yes based on your suggested menu if this is suppose to be a common occurrence.
"Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need"
Yes because my response was not flippant and was a 100% serious attempt at giving the OP a fully sustainable diet plan that he should adhere to daily; that approach and has worked well for users such as Sued0nim.
I'm not sure I know what's going on any more
I'm bringing you in to clarify....as it seems to me those two pictures of your eating don't really jibe.2 -
LiminalAscendance wrote: »For me that's why 'you can lose weight without exercise' is a load of BS. I'd never have lost the weight without exercise. I exercise 1.5 hour a day in average at this point... and it's still a *kitten* to maintain the weight loss!
I basically end up eating less on days when I have more willpower/I'm less hungry so I can indulge occasionally. It's working but still frustrating.
Yes, I'm often amused at how easy the "regulars" here make weight loss out to be. "Eat what you want, exercise optional, and watch the pounds melt away!"
And it was easy for them.
Sure, there are individuals that, for whatever reason, let their weight creep up on them. Once they made up their mind to lose, however, they succeeded because they had the right tool set, and understood concepts such as "delayed gratification."
A bit earlier, I read a post where someone asked whether they should do cardio or weight training. It was amazing how many said to do both. That wasn't the question, and it's surprising how disconnected some of the answers here are on occasion.
Not everyone is set up the same, and I tend to think that those who could follow most of the advice on here don't really need it all that much anyway.
Not to mention the fact that those left posting on a fitness-oriented site aren't going to be representative of the population at large, and the challenges (whether self-imposed or not) that they face.
Thing is its not easy
But it is simple
And that's where success lies .... in knowing the difference
Everyone has the same opportunity to learn and change
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I hated mushrooms, olives, and onions as a kid and now they are my favorite foods. I used to not be able to eat anything spicier than mild picante sauce and now I order extra spicy. My point? I'm sure it's true that those are the foods that satisfy you and make you happy now, and I'm sure that <2000 seems like an impossible amount to live on long-term, but by the time you achieve your goals in terms of size and fitness, chances are your standards, habits, and desires will also look different.
I remember having a similar freak out moment when I looked at how much I might actually be eating on maintenance, but after a while I've found that those amounts make a lot of sense to me and seem doable.
Maintenance diet is based on what you are actually burning, not on some arbitrary number so it should be enough to satisfy you in terms of hunger. The kinds of foods that you enjoy eating can change and are more about habits over time. I think the real answer of why it is so easy to gain and hard to lose is that food has come to mean something other than sustenance. If you have been eating that much it isn't because you are hungry, it's because you are trying to satisfy other needs through food (recreation, pleasure, filling a void, boredom, fear, anxiety, habit, social activity etc.) and you've become confused about what hungry/satisfied/full/overstuffed feels like. If you focus on transforming your life and choices to be healthful and happy (both in food choice, activity level, and also mental and emotional health) rather than on a "diet" you will find that you are a new person without even realizing it.
Put one foot in front of the other and make healthful choices one minute at a time and have faith that in the year+ it will take you to reach your goals the picture of what makes you happy and what you can imagine living with long term will change.
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That calculator is very similar to the one I used. I just put in all of my information and calculated it at my goal weight. Other calculators have said 1899, this one says 1967. that's virtually the same thing. 68 calories is not enough to change anything.You sound discouraged, my man. If I could offer some hope... 1899 seems extremely low for any kind of maintenance. What are your stats?
This is what I was going to say. I'm a 5 ft 4 female at with a weight range 140-145 and I maintain in 1960 without exercise, and between 2060 and 2200 with exercise, depending on what I do. OP is a guy. Something is not right with the TDEE calc.
It's correct. I've tried it out on 3 separate calculators and they all say the same thing.
No it's not.
I just used this calculator set at the sedentary setting and came up with much higher numbers. You're inputting wrong information.
Your TDEE is: 2826 Calories per day
Your BMR is: 2355 Calories per day
We suggest the following for your goal to Maintain
2826 Calories per day
To lose to pounds a week you'd eat 2260, then your calories would decrease with every ten pounds you lose.
Let's say you reach your goal weight of 165 (I don't know if that's your goal weight, this is just for demonstration purposes) in 2018 (100 pounds is a lot to lose), then your TDEE at sedentary would be 2063.
There is a huge difference in how each of you is measuring this... @SLLRunner is calculating based on 265 lbs. and you are calculating based on 150 lbs. Of course a 265 lb. man is going to have a higher BMR and TDEE than a 150 lb. man. And since you are talking about what will happen when you reach your goal weight of 150 lbs., @SLLRunner is wrong because she is using the wrong input. Bad inputs = bad outputs.5 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Smiles I looked at your sample diary that you posted on page one. And then I read the quote above that says you skip breakfast, eat oatmeal and peanut butter for lunch, have three slices of pizza for dinner and binge drink on fridays. And this was proposed as a "plan" for the OP based on YOU.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
@Sued0nim do you agree that this is your daily approach?Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?
Yes based on your suggested menu if this is suppose to be a common occurrence.
"Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need"
Yes because my response was not flippant and was a 100% serious attempt at giving the OP a fully sustainable diet plan that he should adhere to daily; that approach and has worked well for users such as Sued0nim.
I'm not sure I know what's going on any more
I'm bringing you in to clarify....as it seems to me those two pictures of your eating don't really jibe.
Ahaa ..yup I think Laz just generally posts to amuse himself, sense or help is optional
(That day wasn't my general pattern,just how I ate on that day ..I generally have the same breakfast though)3 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Smiles I looked at your sample diary that you posted on page one. And then I read the quote above that says you skip breakfast, eat oatmeal and peanut butter for lunch, have three slices of pizza for dinner and binge drink on fridays. And this was proposed as a "plan" for the OP based on YOU.Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
@Sued0nim do you agree that this is your daily approach?Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?
Yes based on your suggested menu if this is suppose to be a common occurrence.
"Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need"
Yes because my response was not flippant and was a 100% serious attempt at giving the OP a fully sustainable diet plan that he should adhere to daily; that approach and has worked well for users such as Sued0nim.
I'm not sure I know what's going on any more
I'm bringing you in to clarify....as it seems to me those two pictures of your eating don't really jibe.
Ahaa ..yup I think Laz just generally posts to amuse himself, sense or help is optional
(That day wasn't my general pattern,just how I ate on that day ..I generally have the same breakfast though)
How lucky for the OP that someone is yanking his chain.
Thanks for the reply!5 -
Here ...not even hit 1900 calories ...under maintenance ...will drink and eat that this weekend instead ..I know the sodium is out but I'm not that bothered
And I logged my dinner in the wrong place (peanut butter and jelly sandwich)
I'm not saying that I can't eat 1900 calories every day, I'm just saying that, and no offense and its nothing personal, nothing on that list looks very good to me at all. I mean I am willing to eat all of those things, I'm not a picky eater, but its not what I want. I find happiness in food that taste good, things that are fried, things that have a lot of cheese and/or creamy sauces, I like soda. That's where its so hard. I'm not saying I can't do it, I'm upset because I know I'm not going to be happy doing it.
I'm on my journey and not at goal...but I just want to share with you that if you learn to like what you can eat, it will save you down the road because when you get a certain age and health issues rear it's head because you didn't watch the sodium or the sugar, then you will LOVE to eat the way you are currently eating now. (My current situation). In other words, learn to enjoy food that will keep you on maintenance. Spice it up with things you've never tried before but are still healthy. Soda is not your friend. You know this. I really enjoy a glass of wine, but one becomes two, three, so I realized I'm not going to be able to include it in my maintenance schedule. I'm okay with that its just a reality. But I will enjoy waking up every day full of energy. I work a desk job. So I have to get creative. I walk in the morning, at lunch and after work. I just employed stretch bands but will get to weights. I want to find a sport I can really get into, and be so tired from that my bed is what I'm looking for, not food. Change your thinking from what you can't have to what the abundance of what you can. Thanksgiving and Christmas are the only days I will allow myself a full plate of what I want, but back on track the next day. Our caveman ancestors foraged for food daily. That means they were doing a hell of lot of walking, climbing, running from predators, etc. Food is energy, enjoyable at times, but really it's just a necessity, like air. Don't think about tomorrow so much. Enjoy what you get to do today.3 -
I hear ya', OP.
The good news is over the time it takes to get to your goal weight, your outlook will gradually almost imperceptibly change without you ever doing anything (except sticking to your plan) or maybe even noticing. Then one day you will be someplace where you liked ordering a monster sized meal and you will look at it and say to self, "I know I used to put that away and love it, but now it doesn't even appeal to me." I know. Seems impossible. Just take it one day at a time. You'll get there, but only one day at a time.9 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
@Sued0nim do you agree that this is your daily approach?Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?
Yes based on your suggested menu if this is suppose to be a common occurrence.
"Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need"
Yes because my response was not flippant and was a 100% serious attempt at giving the OP a fully sustainable diet plan that he should adhere to daily; that approach and has worked well for users such as Sued0nim.
@Sabine_Stroehm reading comprehension and thread wide context go a long way. @Sued0nim gave the OP great examples to meet his goals in a healthy manner and OP whined them away. My post was not serious, but apparently that wasn't clear enough with the binge drinking and all.1 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
@Sued0nim do you agree that this is your daily approach?Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?
Yes based on your suggested menu if this is suppose to be a common occurrence.
"Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need"
Yes because my response was not flippant and was a 100% serious attempt at giving the OP a fully sustainable diet plan that he should adhere to daily; that approach and has worked well for users such as Sued0nim.
@Sabine_Stroehm reading comprehension and thread wide context go a long way. @Sued0nim gave the OP great examples to meet his goals in a healthy manner and OP whined them away. My post was not serious, but apparently that wasn't clear enough with the binge drinking and all.
Thanks for the insult. Cheers.
LOTS of folks come on a forum. They don't all read 5 pages of a thread. Posting misleading replies isn't helpful to anyone.9 -
OP, do you plan on being sedentary? Almost no one is sedentary. Lightly active is where most people are. Just add some walking and earn more calories. Why start with such a negative outlook? You simply won't need the same amount of calories after losing 100 lbs. if you get to that weight you will decreasing your intake and appetite over time and your body will adjust to the new diet. You aren't going to wake up one day @ 150 and have to adjust to 1000 less calories.
I'd suggest getting a Fitbit to get a handle on what your actual TDEE is. It's still not perfect but much closer to reality than online calculators, I've found. I have a pretty basic Flex and the data seems accurate for me. Plus, it helps me want to move more. You can look at your data weekly and adjust calories as needed based on what is going on with your weight.2 -
Here ...not even hit 1900 calories ...under maintenance ...will drink and eat that this weekend instead ..I know the sodium is out but I'm not that bothered
And I logged my dinner in the wrong place (peanut butter and jelly sandwich)
I'm not saying that I can't eat 1900 calories every day, I'm just saying that, and no offense and its nothing personal, nothing on that list looks very good to me at all. I mean I am willing to eat all of those things, I'm not a picky eater, but its not what I want. I find happiness in food that taste good, things that are fried, things that have a lot of cheese and/or creamy sauces, I like soda. That's where its so hard. I'm not saying I can't do it, I'm upset because I know I'm not going to be happy doing it.
You can have all that stuff and lose weight. You just can't have 4500 calories of it every day and lose weight. That is the somewhat sad truth.
I too love to eat and drink big. I often get the "how can you eat like that and stay so small?!" remarks. This is because I rarely eat and drink a lot when I'm not dining with others. I don't eat like that every day. Sure, I'd like to, but I also don't want to ruin my health so I save those big luxurious meals for special occasions. It really does make them all the more special for me.
During the week I will sometimes have days that are only 1000-1200 calories. I don't mind being a little hungry on occasion when it allows me to be carefree and overeat on other days. But that's just me. Maybe the same would work for you and maybe not. Just a little food for thought.3 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
@Sued0nim do you agree that this is your daily approach?Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?
Yes based on your suggested menu if this is suppose to be a common occurrence.
"Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need"
Yes because my response was not flippant and was a 100% serious attempt at giving the OP a fully sustainable diet plan that he should adhere to daily; that approach and has worked well for users such as Sued0nim.
@Sabine_Stroehm reading comprehension and thread wide context go a long way. @Sued0nim gave the OP great examples to meet his goals in a healthy manner and OP whined them away. My post was not serious, but apparently that wasn't clear enough with the binge drinking and all.
I got what you meant. Are you British by any chance? I think it might be a case of our sense of humour not translating well/slightly different uses of language causing confusion.0 -
OP, you seem set on feeling like the rest of your life will be a constant burden of not eating what you want. I don't think you need to worry about it, because with that point of view, you'll never get to goal weight.
You have a long journey ahead of you. If that journey is successful, your tastes, preferences, energy level, and goals will slowly change over time. If you focus on making small tweaks to the way you eat, one at a time while being patient you will find yourself enjoying different foods and portions and feeling satisfied. If you experiment with your way if eating and keep an open mind, you will find new ways to enjoy your food without eating 4000 calories and being 100 lbs overweight.
There are hundreds of people here at MFP who lost 100 lbs and even more. Do you actually think they are all miserably eating food they don't like, wishing they could stuff themselves like they used to?
Stop looking at 2 years from now and making assumptions. Start looking at today and tomorrow and baby steps. Start looking forward to being healthier and more energetic and looking good and feeling more confident and feeling proud of accomplishing your goals and let the rest figure itself out. You won't feel the same way about 2000 calories two years from now as you do now. Don't let yourself set that fear up as an excuse you can use later to give up.11 -
I think it's the teacher in me. I just dislike this sort of thing on principle.smotheredincheese wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
@Sued0nim do you agree that this is your daily approach?Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?
Yes based on your suggested menu if this is suppose to be a common occurrence.
"Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need"
Yes because my response was not flippant and was a 100% serious attempt at giving the OP a fully sustainable diet plan that he should adhere to daily; that approach and has worked well for users such as Sued0nim.
@Sabine_Stroehm reading comprehension and thread wide context go a long way. @Sued0nim gave the OP great examples to meet his goals in a healthy manner and OP whined them away. My post was not serious, but apparently that wasn't clear enough with the binge drinking and all.
I got what you meant. Are you British by any chance? I think it might be a case of our sense of humour not translating well/slightly different uses of language causing confusion.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I think it's the teacher in me. I just dislike this sort of thing on principle.smotheredincheese wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
@Sued0nim do you agree that this is your daily approach?Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?
Yes based on your suggested menu if this is suppose to be a common occurrence.
"Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need"
Yes because my response was not flippant and was a 100% serious attempt at giving the OP a fully sustainable diet plan that he should adhere to daily; that approach and has worked well for users such as Sued0nim.
@Sabine_Stroehm reading comprehension and thread wide context go a long way. @Sued0nim gave the OP great examples to meet his goals in a healthy manner and OP whined them away. My post was not serious, but apparently that wasn't clear enough with the binge drinking and all.
I got what you meant. Are you British by any chance? I think it might be a case of our sense of humour not translating well/slightly different uses of language causing confusion.
To be completely honest with you, I truly would love to be helpful in a direct fashion. Helping others is one of the things I enjoy the most. Unfortunately, MFP is a depressing place to be helpful - the time spent writing a nice reply with solid information is often flamed to oblivion. Some of the best posters on here get some of the most vicious replies.
People often just want an echo chamber or for someone to validate their excuses. While others are willing to try to help the majority despite this, I just don't have the patience. I do actually give sincere advice and replies on posts that I feel I both have the proper insight for and that the OP seems receptive on.
I could just not post, but sometimes I hope my off the wall replies might strike a nerve and make an OP realize how ridiculous they are being. Other times I am just being a dork because I am bored.17 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »
That calculator is very similar to the one I used. I just put in all of my information and calculated it at my goal weight. Other calculators have said 1899, this one says 1967. that's virtually the same thing. 68 calories is not enough to change anything.You sound discouraged, my man. If I could offer some hope... 1899 seems extremely low for any kind of maintenance. What are your stats?
This is what I was going to say. I'm a 5 ft 4 female at with a weight range 140-145 and I maintain in 1960 without exercise, and between 2060 and 2200 with exercise, depending on what I do. OP is a guy. Something is not right with the TDEE calc.
It's correct. I've tried it out on 3 separate calculators and they all say the same thing.
No it's not.
I just used this calculator set at the sedentary setting and came up with much higher numbers. You're inputting wrong information.
Your TDEE is: 2826 Calories per day
Your BMR is: 2355 Calories per day
We suggest the following for your goal to Maintain
2826 Calories per day
To lose to pounds a week you'd eat 2260, then your calories would decrease with every ten pounds you lose.
Let's say you reach your goal weight of 165 (I don't know if that's your goal weight, this is just for demonstration purposes) in 2018 (100 pounds is a lot to lose), then your TDEE at sedentary would be 2063.
There is a huge difference in how each of you is measuring this... @SLLRunner is calculating based on 265 lbs. and you are calculating based on 150 lbs. Of course a 265 lb. man is going to have a higher BMR and TDEE than a 150 lb. man. And since you are talking about what will happen when you reach your goal weight of 150 lbs., @SLLRunner is wrong because she is using the wrong input. Bad inputs = bad outputs.
And complete reading comprehension fail. She went on to calculate it at 165. That is still a bit higher though than the OP's goal of 150 (which she didn't see).
OP, I'm going to 9000th everyone else and suggest getting active. Using this same calculator referenced above, I got that at goal weight and sedentary I have a TDEE of 1751. If I workout 3-5 days a week and get moderately active, I can maintain at 2261.
Those 500 calories per day are so worth it.1 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
I think it's the teacher in me. I just dislike this sort of thing on principle.smotheredincheese wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
@Sued0nim do you agree that this is your daily approach?Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?
Yes based on your suggested menu if this is suppose to be a common occurrence.
"Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need"
Yes because my response was not flippant and was a 100% serious attempt at giving the OP a fully sustainable diet plan that he should adhere to daily; that approach and has worked well for users such as Sued0nim.
@Sabine_Stroehm reading comprehension and thread wide context go a long way. @Sued0nim gave the OP great examples to meet his goals in a healthy manner and OP whined them away. My post was not serious, but apparently that wasn't clear enough with the binge drinking and all.
I got what you meant. Are you British by any chance? I think it might be a case of our sense of humour not translating well/slightly different uses of language causing confusion.
To be completely honest with you, I truly would love to be helpful in a direct fashion. Helping others is one of the things I enjoy the most. Unfortunately, MFP is a depressing place to be helpful - the time spent writing a nice reply with solid information is often flamed to oblivion. Some of the best posters on here get some of the most vicious replies.
People often just want an echo chamber or for someone to validate their excuses. While others are willing to try to help the majority despite this, I just don't have the patience. I do actually give sincere advice and replies on posts that I feel I both have the proper insight for and that the OP seems receptive on.
I could just not post, but sometimes I hope my off the wall replies might strike a nerve and make an OP realize how ridiculous they are being. Other times I am just being a dork because I am bored.
I get it. Trust me. I keep ending up with bars in front of my pretty yellow face because I get frustrated. It can be depressing as heck.6 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
@Sued0nim do you agree that this is your daily approach?Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?
Yes based on your suggested menu if this is suppose to be a common occurrence.
"Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need"
Yes because my response was not flippant and was a 100% serious attempt at giving the OP a fully sustainable diet plan that he should adhere to daily; that approach and has worked well for users such as Sued0nim.
@Sabine_Stroehm reading comprehension and thread wide context go a long way. @Sued0nim gave the OP great examples to meet his goals in a healthy manner and OP whined them away. My post was not serious, but apparently that wasn't clear enough with the binge drinking and all.
Thanks for the insult. Cheers.
LOTS of folks come on a forum. They don't all read 5 pages of a thread. Posting misleading replies isn't helpful to anyone.
OP doesn't want to be helped, he just wants to complain.
I disagree. He's "in mourning". He's grieving the end of his old life. (If he makes the changes necessary).
Regardless, he's not the only one reading the thread. Nor will he be. Sarcasm on forums is always iffy.
I love this, because it IS a major loss, isn't it? Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, then Acceptance. OP, sounds like you might be in the anger or depression stage. Don't give up. Take to heart all the other suggestions and advice of the people who have posted - they've been where you are. It's hard to believe that you won't always feel the way you do today, but your feelings will change, your cravings will change, your goals will change, your body will change. You've heard it from many on here and it happened to me too. Follow the plan and refocus on your goal for TODAY. Then worry about tomorrow. Wishing you the best.
Edit to add: P.S. I only had ONE bite of that donut in my profile pic. That NEVER would have happened two years ago. I would have eaten the whole thing and then some. I still have days those 4k calorie days, but it happens so few and far between now. It's a lifelong thing, not something that is a quick fix. Once I realized that (and grieved) my whole attitude changed.12 -
"This is why people gain weight, and why losing it is so hard." = Because when you're on the path to obesity (or already there), you don't think about tomorrow. And when you're trying to walk back, you never focus on today.10
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No offense, but ... The following site:
http://www.calculator.net/calorie-calculator.html
says someone with your stats:
Sedentary - 1899 cals
Lightly active - exercise 1-3X per week - 2176 cals
Moderately active - exercise 3-5X per week - 2453 cals
So if you want to eat more and keep the weight off, you have to get more active. Exercising 3-5X per week gives you another 450 cals per day. And if the food choices you'd make to lower your input don't appeal to you and you're unhappy with lowering your input, well, you have a choice to make: eat as much of whatever you want and possibly die young, or modify your diet and monitor your input and probably live younger.
As others have said, it's eating whatever you want and as much as you want that's gotten you here. How's that been working for you?4 -
So I just did a little experiment. I started out just trying to see how many calories I would be able to eat per day once I reach my goal weight. The number was shockingly low. My TDEE, not including any exercise, will be 1899. That number hit me hard, I don't know how I can possibly live my life eating that few calories. I mean right now It's one thing because I am working very hard to cut weight, but to look up and see that there is no light at the end of the tunnel, because maintenance is so low calorie, its very discouraging.
So here's were the experiment comes into play. I thought, you know what, I've never just booked out a normal "non deiting" day, lets see how many calories that is. So I went into MFP and loaded up what I would eat on a normal day. Over 4500 calories!!! HOLY S**T!!!! No wonder people get so fat so quickly without even realizing whats happening!
So my takeaway: I don't know whats worse, thinking about how easy it was to get this way without even realizing what was going on, or thinking about how miserable its going to be trying to eat at maintenance once I get to my goal weight.
I'm 6'2" tall, 47 years old. My TDEE is in the 2000 calorie range without exercise and it isn't enough (for me). Honestly I can get by at that calorie range but on weekends, family gatherings, etc. it just isn't enough. I inflate that number with exercise, six days a week (up to 1000 calories extra) so that I can eat an average of 2500-3k per day and not gain weight. Here's the rub, I could eat 4500 calories a day easily if I went back to my old habits. But you can change WHAT you eat and still enjoy food. Start looking at lower calorie bread options, lower calorie ice cream, no-sugar added versions, etc. Eat multi-grain or whole grain pastas, breads, etc. Embrace some recipes (heck the ones MFP posts on their blog are sometimes wonderful).
Go to any grocery store and walk through the produce section and pick out what you're going to eat, then go to the front to check out. What's between you and the check out counters? Junk food. The stores in my area make huge displays in the isles of candy, snacks, everything terrible for you. Grab a few of those on your way out, or the 12 pack of Zingers or Twinkies, and you've screwed yourself. Pre-packaged food is designed to taste good, and to make you want more of it. It'll be filled to the brim with sodium, sugar, and carbs. Start cooking from scratch, and you'll find that you can not only eat until you are full, but some nights I struggle to get enough calories at maintenance after exercise for the day and not feel like a bloated pig. Once you learn what things are causing the calorie spikes, you'll learn ways to avoid those ingredients to some extent and reduce the calorie load of the foods you enjoy.4 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »
That calculator is very similar to the one I used. I just put in all of my information and calculated it at my goal weight. Other calculators have said 1899, this one says 1967. that's virtually the same thing. 68 calories is not enough to change anything.You sound discouraged, my man. If I could offer some hope... 1899 seems extremely low for any kind of maintenance. What are your stats?
This is what I was going to say. I'm a 5 ft 4 female at with a weight range 140-145 and I maintain in 1960 without exercise, and between 2060 and 2200 with exercise, depending on what I do. OP is a guy. Something is not right with the TDEE calc.
It's correct. I've tried it out on 3 separate calculators and they all say the same thing.
No it's not.
I just used this calculator set at the sedentary setting and came up with much higher numbers. You're inputting wrong information.
Your TDEE is: 2826 Calories per day
Your BMR is: 2355 Calories per day
We suggest the following for your goal to Maintain
2826 Calories per day
To lose to pounds a week you'd eat 2260, then your calories would decrease with every ten pounds you lose.
Let's say you reach your goal weight of 165 (I don't know if that's your goal weight, this is just for demonstration purposes) in 2018 (100 pounds is a lot to lose), then your TDEE at sedentary would be 2063.
There is a huge difference in how each of you is measuring this... @SLLRunner is calculating based on 265 lbs. and you are calculating based on 150 lbs. Of course a 265 lb. man is going to have a higher BMR and TDEE than a 150 lb. man. And since you are talking about what will happen when you reach your goal weight of 150 lbs., @SLLRunner is wrong because she is using the wrong input. Bad inputs = bad outputs.
And complete reading comprehension fail. She went on to calculate it at 165. That is still a bit higher though than the OP's goal of 150 (which she didn't see).
OP, I'm going to 9000th everyone else and suggest getting active. Using this same calculator referenced above, I got that at goal weight and sedentary I have a TDEE of 1751. If I workout 3-5 days a week and get moderately active, I can maintain at 2261.
Those 500 calories per day are so worth it.
No, click on the link @SLLRunner provided and you will see it is calculated for 265 lbs. In fact, that is embedded into the link itself (as 120.2 kg): http://mytdee.com/#gender=male&yr=27&cm=165.1&kg=120.2&bfp=&goal=maintain&formula=standard&units=imperial&exercise=sedentary
ETA: And if she had read the OP and calculated at 150 lbs. instead of 165 lbs., she would not have been that far off. The point OP kept making when everyone said, "OMG, no way are you going to have to eat that little... I'm X weight and Y height and I eat Z calories, so there is no way your calories will be so low." is that his calculation is correct. Sorry, but an argument that calories at current weight are so much higher and therefore a calculation for TDEE at goal weight can't possibly be that low is like comparing apples and oranges.5 -
Man, that pizza analogy hits me hard though, talkin about eating two pieces and four being "overboard". I can eat an entire pizza myself, and I don't mean on a dare or because someone said I couldn't. I mean like, I ate the last piece and reached for another one and said "well hell, I guess I ate it all". I hope my appetite shrinks like everyone says, but i feel like its gonna be really hard to maintain my goal weight when I get there.
I hear you. Months ago, I could easily eat an entire frozen pizza by myself. Now, if I let myself go to town, the most I can eat is 5 pieces. If it's takeout pizza, probably even less (unless it's super delicious because it's the taste that makes me eat more, not the hunger
)
You'll get there. You just have to start small. Don't eat the last piece. Save it for tomorrow's breakfast. Eventually make it 2 pieces. Then 3. I think at this point, I'm okay with binging on 4-5 pieces, but then busting kitty booty (since apparently you can't curse without it being a kitten xD) in cardio (seriously that stuff sucks sometimes. 5-10 min stretches on one machine and then having to switch to a different type of cardio because my legs are too sore)
I got some protein bars that I use for right after my exercise if I have to spend time cooking, or if I need to fill holes in my deficit. I'm sure saving part of pizza and eating a chocolate protein bar would help you reach your goal. (Make sure it's 19-20 grams of protein or more. 10g of chocolate protein bar just isn't worth it for the sugar it gives)
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midwesterner85 wrote: »midwesterner85 wrote: »
That calculator is very similar to the one I used. I just put in all of my information and calculated it at my goal weight. Other calculators have said 1899, this one says 1967. that's virtually the same thing. 68 calories is not enough to change anything.You sound discouraged, my man. If I could offer some hope... 1899 seems extremely low for any kind of maintenance. What are your stats?
This is what I was going to say. I'm a 5 ft 4 female at with a weight range 140-145 and I maintain in 1960 without exercise, and between 2060 and 2200 with exercise, depending on what I do. OP is a guy. Something is not right with the TDEE calc.
It's correct. I've tried it out on 3 separate calculators and they all say the same thing.
No it's not.
I just used this calculator set at the sedentary setting and came up with much higher numbers. You're inputting wrong information.
Your TDEE is: 2826 Calories per day
Your BMR is: 2355 Calories per day
We suggest the following for your goal to Maintain
2826 Calories per day
To lose to pounds a week you'd eat 2260, then your calories would decrease with every ten pounds you lose.
Let's say you reach your goal weight of 165 (I don't know if that's your goal weight, this is just for demonstration purposes) in 2018 (100 pounds is a lot to lose), then your TDEE at sedentary would be 2063.
There is a huge difference in how each of you is measuring this... @SLLRunner is calculating based on 265 lbs. and you are calculating based on 150 lbs. Of course a 265 lb. man is going to have a higher BMR and TDEE than a 150 lb. man. And since you are talking about what will happen when you reach your goal weight of 150 lbs., @SLLRunner is wrong because she is using the wrong input. Bad inputs = bad outputs.
And complete reading comprehension fail. She went on to calculate it at 165. That is still a bit higher though than the OP's goal of 150 (which she didn't see).
OP, I'm going to 9000th everyone else and suggest getting active. Using this same calculator referenced above, I got that at goal weight and sedentary I have a TDEE of 1751. If I workout 3-5 days a week and get moderately active, I can maintain at 2261.
Those 500 calories per day are so worth it.
No, click on the link @SLLRunner provided and you will see it is calculated for 265 lbs. In fact, that is embedded into the link itself (as 120.2 kg): http://mytdee.com/#gender=male&yr=27&cm=165.1&kg=120.2&bfp=&goal=maintain&formula=standard&units=imperial&exercise=sedentary
Yes, which gives a TDEE of 2826. Like she posted. And then if you change it to 165, you get 1967. Like she posted.
The words, they are there to be read.2 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
@Sued0nim do you agree that this is your daily approach?Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?
Yes based on your suggested menu if this is suppose to be a common occurrence.
"Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need"
Yes because my response was not flippant and was a 100% serious attempt at giving the OP a fully sustainable diet plan that he should adhere to daily; that approach and has worked well for users such as Sued0nim.
@Sabine_Stroehm reading comprehension and thread wide context go a long way. @Sued0nim gave the OP great examples to meet his goals in a healthy manner and OP whined them away. My post was not serious, but apparently that wasn't clear enough with the binge drinking and all.
Thanks for the insult. Cheers.
LOTS of folks come on a forum. They don't all read 5 pages of a thread. Posting misleading replies isn't helpful to anyone.
OP doesn't want to be helped, he just wants to complain.
I disagree. He's "in mourning". He's grieving the end of his old life. (If he makes the changes necessary).
Regardless, he's not the only one reading the thread. Nor will he be. Sarcasm on forums is always iffy.
I love this, because it IS a major loss, isn't it? Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, then Acceptance. OP, sounds like you might be in the anger or depression stage. Don't give up. Take to heart all the other suggestions and advice of the people who have posted - they've been where you are. It's hard to believe that you won't always feel the way you do today, but your feelings will change, your cravings will change, your goals will change, your body will change. You've heard it from many on here and it happened to me too. Follow the plan and refocus on your goal for TODAY. Then worry about tomorrow. Wishing you the best.
Edit to add: P.S. I only had ONE bite of that donut in my profile pic. That NEVER would have happened two years ago. I would have eaten the whole thing and then some. I still have days those 4k calorie days, but it happens so few and far between now. It's a lifelong thing, not something that is a quick fix. Once I realized that (and grieved) my whole attitude changed.
Where did you get that donut? I need one ...for reasons.10 -
For me that's why 'you can lose weight without exercise' is a load of BS. I'd never have lost the weight without exercise. I exercise 1.5 hour a day in average at this point... and it's still a *kitten* to maintain the weight loss!
I basically end up eating less on days when I have more willpower/I'm less hungry so I can indulge occasionally. It's working but still frustrating.
I do say that it's technically possible to lose weight without exercise, but I personally couldn't do it. I need those exercise calories. I'd be ravenous and miserable without them. Right now, I'm only hungry right before meals.
I often extol the other virtues of exercise, in short, cardio for the heart and strength training for muscles and bone health.3
you. 
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