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INTERMITTENT FASTING - A LIFESTYLE MAKEOVER
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I really don't understand why people feel the need to disagree on a weight loss forum. I thought the whole point of this site was to encourage and motivate. If the "IF-plan" is working for someone, don't try to pick it apart. Not everything has to be broken down and scrutinized for your entertainment. To the original poster, keep on doing whatever works for you. If someone tries to discredit it...it's more "their" problem than yours. For me, I'm going to continue trying the plan for 8 weeks. ~ Namaste
The thing is, it's in anyone's benefit to know why a certain thing works, because if for whatever reason it stops working they would know how to troubleshoot and fix it. If someone doing 8/16 manages to eat too many calories within those 8 hours after the novelty wears off, they'd be confused and spiral down the most frustrating path of "panic! metabolism is slowing down and I'm helpless!", which isn't encouraging or motivating. Now, knowing that it's essentially about calories, they would calmly assess their intake and decide what to do about it. It's also helpful to know that there are many tools to create a calorie deficit that may work for a certain individual, which empowers them and helps them adapt to situations. Knowledge is the best kind of encouragement and motivation.9 -
I really don't understand why people feel the need to disagree on a weight loss forum. I thought the whole point of this site was to encourage and motivate. If the "IF-plan" is working for someone, don't try to pick it apart. Not everything has to be broken down and scrutinized for your entertainment. To the original poster, keep on doing whatever works for you. If someone tries to discredit it...it's more "their" problem than yours. For me, I'm going to continue trying the plan for 8 weeks. ~ Namaste
*sick guitar riff*HOLIER THAN THOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU3 -
StealthHealth wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »ChristinaOne21 wrote: »Thank you.
I'm only just starting to get awareness of what works for me - lets hope I can also turn that into sustainable habits.
I love getting other opinions and perspectives on everything - being a Libran I'm always searching for the balance and other 'side' to what I read, so it was a really interesting read and I agree about the foraging too. I still don't really get the fasting fat burning thing, but will keep researching.
And anyway I guess as someone else said at least I am using IF for hunger signalling, calorie control and satiety if nothing else.
Have you also struggled with obesity? If you have you will understand my excitement about finding something that will finally kick start me into a healthier place. I have to thank IF for that at least and also for bringing me here to MFP
I have been morbidly obese for a years before I decided to diet. There is nothing wrong with being excited about something that works! I was pretty excited about finding IF as a tool that allows me to control my calories more easily in some situations (mostly the every other day diet style of IF'ing). It definitely is in my "makes dieting easier" pile. It doesn't have special magical properties, though, and it does not work for everyone. It's one of many things that work for me, but not the only thing, and not in all situations. It also doesn't need some drawn out scientific sounding explanation to convince me that it's useful because I've seen it work first hand. See how it goes for you! Some tools can be life-changing in the sense of "why haven't I tried this before?", but keep in mind that in the end it all comes down to calories and if something stops working temporarily it's okay to switch strategies. There are many ways to create a calorie deficit.
I love this post and attitude!
I like to think of having a bag of dietary tools (of which IF is one - I'm a big fan but agree with the sentiment that it's just a way of managing calories) that I can use for time to time as the situation dictates.
This is how I feel also. I do IF, and it works. But I'm not locked into it. I would rather concentrate most of my calories at dinnertime with family, so IF allows me to have a nice sized meal.
I got tired of the 6 small meals I used to eat on another plan and was constantly hungry. 250 calories as a meal doesn't seem like a true "meal" to me so I often felt deprived. With IF I'm not hungry in the mornings so it isn't much of a big deal to just have lunch and dinner.7 -
I really don't understand why people feel the need to disagree on a weight loss forum. I thought the whole point of this site was to encourage and motivate. If the "IF-plan" is working for someone, don't try to pick it apart. Not everything has to be broken down and scrutinized for your entertainment. To the original poster, keep on doing whatever works for you. If someone tries to discredit it...it's more "their" problem than yours. For me, I'm going to continue trying the plan for 8 weeks. ~ Namaste
I was merely giving you an explaination for why you lost 5 lbs in a week and you seemingly responded in a sacarstic way. At least that is how i read it. If it wasn't intended that way i do apologize.
Encouragement comes in many fashions and if you see many of my post you would know that. I am glad that you like this protocol but don't expect to lose 5 lbs a week.
Regardless of being thin or big, energy balance still is required. Yes for some people, particularly those with PCOS, IR, etc... hormones can be a contributor. In the aforementioned cases carbs can cause decreases to metabolism which make it more difficult to achieve a deficit. But when it comes to beginner weight losses, especially when modifying carbs, the previous explainations are mainly why you saw huge losses.5 -
One more thing to add; if people never correct you or me, how are we expected to become a better version of ourselves? I learned a lot by smarter people than me correcting my non sense. I continue to learn by people calling me out on my non sense. I readily admit i am not the most knowledgeable person here but i do feel i have a solid foundation. So i am not sure about others but i am always trying to get smarter than i was today.13
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I really don't understand why people feel the need to disagree on a weight loss forum.
Because...people
I thought the whole point of this site was to encourage and motivate.
Who says? Maybe it's to educate or shock people into changing, maybe it's to learn from those who get science. External motivation is weak, Some think encouragement is for children. Some of us prefer to have adult conversations with all the nuances.
If the "IF-plan" is working for someone, don't try to pick it apart. Not everything has to be broken down and scrutinized for your entertainment.
Nobody's picking it apart but they are not allowing some to attribute unsubstantiated claims cos blogs and feels say so ...that's a good thing
To the original poster, keep on doing whatever works for you. If someone tries to discredit it...it's more "their" problem than yours. For me, I'm going to continue trying the plan for 8 weeks. ~ Namaste
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StealthHealth wrote: »IF works for everyone. It lowers the bodies IGF-1 and increases insulin sensitivity.
Frequent meals does the opposite. Each time you spike your insulin your body becomes less sensitive to it changes.
You will find that eating many small meals in a day has been proven bad. Also you will find skipping does more good than bad.
Dr Mike Mosely has a diet named 5:2 and was used by Jimmy Kemmel to drop a bunch of weight. Look it up.
Also if you have been dieting for long periods of time you will need to build the loss muscle back and your results will be less drastic.
for the record: I'm a fan of IF and use it frequently but...
The two bolded sections are in contradiction: IGF-1 is anabolic and helps to build muscle so a lower value is detrimental if muscle growth (the bold bit in your last para) is important.
It's also worth mentioning that, despite having searched the review papers and studies (I'm not a professional researcher so take that into account), read (the summaries only I'm afraid) all the refs in Mosley's 5:2 book my, and been involved in several discussions on the topic on these forums - I've yet to see any convincing, isocalorific, human, studies which demonstrate the often quoted benefits of fasting. Again, I'm a fan and user, but IMHO it's just calories in-calories out which drive composition changes - not meal timing or frequency.
Fasting is popular and used in medical treatments and so I would expect more studies (hopefully human with calorific control) and I strongly suspect that these will show benefits over the same number of calories spread out throughout the day. But, at the moment my searches have not turned up any hard evidence.
Same. I've basically been doing 16:8 constantly for years, while being overweight, while losing, while maintaining, because I've never been too fond of eating right after getting up. Insulin is also anabolic btw.1 -
One more thing to add; if people never correct you or me, how are we expected to become a better version of ourselves? I learned a lot by smarter people than me correcting my non sense. I continue to learn by people calling me out on my non sense. I readily admit i am not the most knowledgeable person here but i do feel i have a solid foundation. So i am not sure about others but i am always trying to get smarter than i was today.
That's the lemon I remember5 -
stevencloser wrote: »StealthHealth wrote: »IF works for everyone. It lowers the bodies IGF-1 and increases insulin sensitivity.
Frequent meals does the opposite. Each time you spike your insulin your body becomes less sensitive to it changes.
You will find that eating many small meals in a day has been proven bad. Also you will find skipping does more good than bad.
Dr Mike Mosely has a diet named 5:2 and was used by Jimmy Kemmel to drop a bunch of weight. Look it up.
Also if you have been dieting for long periods of time you will need to build the loss muscle back and your results will be less drastic.
for the record: I'm a fan of IF and use it frequently but...
The two bolded sections are in contradiction: IGF-1 is anabolic and helps to build muscle so a lower value is detrimental if muscle growth (the bold bit in your last para) is important.
It's also worth mentioning that, despite having searched the review papers and studies (I'm not a professional researcher so take that into account), read (the summaries only I'm afraid) all the refs in Mosley's 5:2 book my, and been involved in several discussions on the topic on these forums - I've yet to see any convincing, isocalorific, human, studies which demonstrate the often quoted benefits of fasting. Again, I'm a fan and user, but IMHO it's just calories in-calories out which drive composition changes - not meal timing or frequency.
Fasting is popular and used in medical treatments and so I would expect more studies (hopefully human with calorific control) and I strongly suspect that these will show benefits over the same number of calories spread out throughout the day. But, at the moment my searches have not turned up any hard evidence.
Same. I've basically been doing 16:8 constantly for years, while being overweight, while losing, while maintaining, because I've never been too fond of eating right after getting up. Insulin is also anabolic btw.
Another one who's been doing 16:8 for years, but I just never thought to put a label on it. It's just the way of eating that seems to work best for me, after much trial and error and listening to what my body prefers.
I remember when the hype was all about, "Breakfast is the most important meal of the day!" I've never been hungry in the morning, but I used to force myself to have breakfast until I realized how stupid it was to be eating when I wasn't in the slightest bit hungry. And I've discovered that once I *do* eat something (regardless of what time of day that first occurs) it seems to awaken the sleeping eating beast in me, so that, once awakened, it tends to troll me for food for the rest of the day. The longer I can keep that sucker asleep, the easier it is for me to stay within my calorie allotment.
I will have my coffee in the morning (because coffee!) but generally have my first meal of the day between 12 and 1 pm. Because that's when I'm actually hungry. By eliminating a breakfast that I rarely want, this leaves enough calories in the rest of my day to have a nice lunch, an afternoon snack, a good dinner, and room left over for a few treats in the evening.10 -
rainbowbow wrote: »I really don't understand why people feel the need to disagree on a weight loss forum. I thought the whole point of this site was to encourage and motivate. If the "IF-plan" is working for someone, don't try to pick it apart. Not everything has to be broken down and scrutinized for your entertainment. To the original poster, keep on doing whatever works for you. If someone tries to discredit it...it's more "their" problem than yours. For me, I'm going to continue trying the plan for 8 weeks. ~ Namaste
Because, science. It's not a "problem" or an "attack"; its intellectual discussion on a topic where nonsense and woo woo are generally given free reign.
The great thing about MyfitnessPal is that it opens users up to discussions they might not have with their friends, coworkers, family, or others who are generally ignorant about biology, nutrition, kinesiology, and more.
Scientific views change ALL the TIME. That's why eggs are good for you, eggs are bad for you. That's also why my low fat diet of the 90s which I did lose weight, is now gone and a high fat diet rage has replaced it.
It's also been written that scientists were paid to "blame" the US obesity problem on fat by the sugar industry.
Please don't ask for citations, as I spend very little time reading scientific research, for reasons stated above.
So, I take the science with a grain of salt and just through trial and error, do what works for me.
The only science I truly believe in through real life trial and error, is it doesn't matter if you eat fat, sugar, flour, meat, no meat, or snicker bars, the answer to weight loss is quite simply burning more calories than you consume, and each person has to find their own way as to how to stick to that mathematical equation.
For some people it mean eliminating one of the above food/macro groups. Or eating more of one of the above food groups/macronutrients.
My "way" is IF, and I've been practicing it for 35 years and have always maintained a healthy BMI--if you believe in that broad "science".
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frankiesgirlie wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »I really don't understand why people feel the need to disagree on a weight loss forum. I thought the whole point of this site was to encourage and motivate. If the "IF-plan" is working for someone, don't try to pick it apart. Not everything has to be broken down and scrutinized for your entertainment. To the original poster, keep on doing whatever works for you. If someone tries to discredit it...it's more "their" problem than yours. For me, I'm going to continue trying the plan for 8 weeks. ~ Namaste
Because, science. It's not a "problem" or an "attack"; its intellectual discussion on a topic where nonsense and woo woo are generally given free reign.
The great thing about MyfitnessPal is that it opens users up to discussions they might not have with their friends, coworkers, family, or others who are generally ignorant about biology, nutrition, kinesiology, and more.
Scientific views change ALL the TIME. That's why eggs are good for you, eggs are bad for you. That's also why my low fat diet of the 90s which I did lose weight, is now gone and a high fat diet rage has replaced it.
It's also been written that scientists were paid to "blame" the US obesity problem on fat by the sugar industry.
Please don't ask for citations, as I spend very little time reading scientific research, for reasons stated above.
So, I take the science with a grain of salt and just through trial and error, do what works for me.
The only science I truly believe in through real life trial and error, is it doesn't matter if you eat fat, sugar, flour, meat, no meat, or snicker bars, the answer to weight loss is quite simply burning more calories than you consume, and each person has to find their own way as to how to stick to that mathematical equation.
For some people it mean eliminating one of the above food/macro groups. Or eating more of one of the above food groups/macronutrients.
My "way" is IF, and I've been practicing it for 35 years and have always maintained a healthy BMI--if you believe in that broad "science".
I have nothing else to say.6 -
One more thing to add; if people never correct you or me, how are we expected to become a better version of ourselves? I learned a lot by smarter people than me correcting my non sense. I continue to learn by people calling me out on my non sense. I readily admit i am not the most knowledgeable person here but i do feel i have a solid foundation. So i am not sure about others but i am always trying to get smarter than i was today.
But I have no way of knowing if they are smarter??
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frankiesgirlie wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »I really don't understand why people feel the need to disagree on a weight loss forum. I thought the whole point of this site was to encourage and motivate. If the "IF-plan" is working for someone, don't try to pick it apart. Not everything has to be broken down and scrutinized for your entertainment. To the original poster, keep on doing whatever works for you. If someone tries to discredit it...it's more "their" problem than yours. For me, I'm going to continue trying the plan for 8 weeks. ~ Namaste
Because, science. It's not a "problem" or an "attack"; its intellectual discussion on a topic where nonsense and woo woo are generally given free reign.
The great thing about MyfitnessPal is that it opens users up to discussions they might not have with their friends, coworkers, family, or others who are generally ignorant about biology, nutrition, kinesiology, and more.
Please don't ask for citations, as I spend very little time reading scientific research, for reasons stated above.
Lol - the discussion should definitely be over at this point.4 -
Chase down another study that contradicts the last one published.....crickets ****churping****....
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frankiesgirlie wrote: »One more thing to add; if people never correct you or me, how are we expected to become a better version of ourselves? I learned a lot by smarter people than me correcting my non sense. I continue to learn by people calling me out on my non sense. I readily admit i am not the most knowledgeable person here but i do feel i have a solid foundation. So i am not sure about others but i am always trying to get smarter than i was today.
But I have no way of knowing if they are smarter??
:bigsmile:
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frankiesgirlie wrote: »One more thing to add; if people never correct you or me, how are we expected to become a better version of ourselves? I learned a lot by smarter people than me correcting my non sense. I continue to learn by people calling me out on my non sense. I readily admit i am not the most knowledgeable person here but i do feel i have a solid foundation. So i am not sure about others but i am always trying to get smarter than i was today.
But I have no way of knowing if they are smarter??
Well one you would have to look through scientific literature to see if you can prove your statements against theirs or look at sourced data they provided. The inability to produce data that would support your position against theirs may indicate that you do have the most current information or understand the sematics.
Or in doubt if it comes from me its true 83% of the time
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83%? Not too shabby.0
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frankiesgirlie wrote: »One more thing to add; if people never correct you or me, how are we expected to become a better version of ourselves? I learned a lot by smarter people than me correcting my non sense. I continue to learn by people calling me out on my non sense. I readily admit i am not the most knowledgeable person here but i do feel i have a solid foundation. So i am not sure about others but i am always trying to get smarter than i was today.
But I have no way of knowing if they are smarter??
...if it comes from me its true 83% of the time
Do you have evidence to support this claim?
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frankiesgirlie wrote: »rainbowbow wrote: »I really don't understand why people feel the need to disagree on a weight loss forum. I thought the whole point of this site was to encourage and motivate. If the "IF-plan" is working for someone, don't try to pick it apart. Not everything has to be broken down and scrutinized for your entertainment. To the original poster, keep on doing whatever works for you. If someone tries to discredit it...it's more "their" problem than yours. For me, I'm going to continue trying the plan for 8 weeks. ~ Namaste
Because, science. It's not a "problem" or an "attack"; its intellectual discussion on a topic where nonsense and woo woo are generally given free reign.
The great thing about MyfitnessPal is that it opens users up to discussions they might not have with their friends, coworkers, family, or others who are generally ignorant about biology, nutrition, kinesiology, and more.
Scientific views change ALL the TIME. That's why eggs are good for you, eggs are bad for you. That's also why my low fat diet of the 90s which I did lose weight, is now gone and a high fat diet rage has replaced it.
It's also been written that scientists were paid to "blame" the US obesity problem on fat by the sugar industry.
Please don't ask for citations, as I spend very little time reading scientific research, for reasons stated above.
So, I take the science with a grain of salt and just through trial and error, do what works for me.
The only science I truly believe in through real life trial and error, is it doesn't matter if you eat fat, sugar, flour, meat, no meat, or snicker bars, the answer to weight loss is quite simply burning more calories than you consume, and each person has to find their own way as to how to stick to that mathematical equation.
For some people it mean eliminating one of the above food/macro groups. Or eating more of one of the above food groups/macronutrients.
My "way" is IF, and I've been practicing it for 35 years and have always maintained a healthy BMI--if you believe in that broad "science".
Good points @frankiesgirlie .
It would be nice if there was solid dieting science out there that factored in all the human differences but that is not likely to happen.
Trial and error is about as good as it gets. Sure the science that we have is very helpful but just can not be used in cookie cutter manner. Even for the same person the best way of eating can change from time to time.3
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