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This is why people gain weight, and why losing it is so hard.
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I'm not saying that I can't eat 1900 calories every day, I'm just saying that, and no offense and its nothing personal, nothing on that list looks very good to me at all. I mean I am willing to eat all of those things, I'm not a picky eater, but its not what I want. I find happiness in food that taste good, things that are fried, things that have a lot of cheese and/or creamy sauces, I like soda. That's where its so hard. I'm not saying I can't do it, I'm upset because I know I'm not going to be happy doing it.
@jdb3388 Hey! Have you thought about attending healthy eating cookery classes?
Also, if you like fried stuff, what about buying one of those low fat fryers? They only require one spoonful of oil and can be used for many different dishes... you could use rapessed oil... Try buying light cheeses, Leerdammer and many other brands have lighter versions... as well of low calories sauces.
But to be honest, you could get used to anything. I used to take my coffee with two or three teaspoons of sugar + full fat milk instead of water. I started cutting down and now I can drink black coffee without milk or sugar and it tastes nice to me...2 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »
I tried something very similar to that once, but it didn't work out because I was still in a deficit. There were days where I would eat less than 500 calories some days in order to eat what I wanted other days. It came out to about 7K surplus for the week overall. So it is worth repeating this point: something that works for you might not work for those of us who have bigger appetites. For some of us, this plan doesn't help eliminate both hunger and weight, which is really the problem OP expects to encounter (and a problem I'm already encountering as I get closer and closer to goal).
Here is how that works for someone like me: I'm hungry all the time anyway, whether eating 500 or 1,500 or 2,500 calories... so no difference on most days. On some days, though, I can eat as much as I want and am not hungry. So then it is a matter of figuring out how often to have a day where I can eat as much as I want and still lose weight, and how much I can eat on other days. So figure 10K calories is what it takes to satisfy me in a day. If I do that once every 10 days, I can still keep an average deficit of 250 calories per day (1/2 lb. per week loss on average) as long as I eat 500 calories the other 9 days. For 9 days, I'm hungry no matter what, but at least once every 10 days, I am not hungry because I can finally eat. Of course this is a terrible idea and I'm not suggesting it. I just want to illustrate why those last few lbs. are so hard to lose for those of us with big appetites and a decreased RMR. Your weekly average idea is a daunting suggestion that is probably great for those with mediocre appetites, but not so great for others.
Well, it doesn't work for you because you didn't maintain a deficit. I guess I'm lost on the point here?
Aiming for a weekly deficit works if you remain in a deficit. You can have an equal distribution of that deficit across every day or you can vary your deficit each day (a surplus of 800 calories above goal can be balanced by 4 other days being 200 calories under your goal). But just because you say you're going to eat low on two days and then don't bother sticking to a weekly deficit, of course that's not going to work.
There are lots of different strategies to help people stay in a deficit. All of them are valid, but not all will work for every person.
Which is why it is repeated over and over again on these boards to find what works and helps you hit your calorie goal.2 -
cmriverside wrote: »
Your choice.
Continue to eat like you have been ~~>> remain the over weight man you have been.
Eat better 80% of the time ~~>> lose weight - finally. After years of struggle.
It is so worth it to make these changes. Is it a perfect world (according to jdb) ~~>>No.
No one here really has any say in this. It's your life. Stay big. Your choice. ::shrug::
I disagree. Continue like he has been and he will be an overweight corpse long before his time.
For the OP, you're in your 20's. Have you ever seen anyone age 60 that eats like you? Most likely not since they've been dead 10+ years. Clean up your habits food and exercise wise while you're young.
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Then why don't you get the F#&$ off of my thread instead of continuing to come back for 10 pages worth of posts just to complain. Most of us are having a conversation and a few of yall are just acting like @**holes.
I think you need a friend.
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It doesn't suck. YOU have an attachment to food that you clearly don't want to give up. I get it. I do. That is why Keto works for me. Sugar in all it's forms just makes me want more, and so I binge. Going very low carb I get to enjoy cheese, meat, cream, oils, and not feel like I'm missing out.So before I get into what I'm about to say, I'd like to thank everyone who was constructive towards me while I was having a low moment.
A lot of you gave some great advice, even though I am pretty well versed in weight loss and knew a lot of it already. But here's the thing, I didn't ask for advice. There was no question in my original post. I was just making conversation about how difficult it is going to be to eat a reasonable amount of food once I get to my goal weight. Obviously, I have a problem when it comes to food. For a lot of you its just a thing you do 3ish times a day so you will continue to have energy and live. For me, its almost ceremonious. Eating is not just something I do to survive, its something I thoroughly enjoy. Meal time is something I look forward to for reasons other than hunger. Telling me to just eat healthier/lower calorie/more nutritious/whatever foods is like telling a cocaine addict that he should just smoke pot instead and everything will be alright. It's not a matter of knowing what to do, because God knows I know exactly what to do, its a matter of being able to do it. I'm only on day 12 and I've been doing well so far. There is no reason for me to believe I cant continue what I'm doing for many months. It's after that that concerns me, and once again, its not that I can't, its that I'm having to chose between something I enjoy, and something I need to be healthy. There's no answer, no way to fix it. I didn't ask anyone to help me solve the problem. I was just making conversation about how it sucks.
Also, to the guy who couldn't figure out how I ate 4500 (a rounded number) calories in a day, book this out:
Breakfast - A.M. Sausage Crunchwrap from Taco Bell
Lunch - 5 Krystals and a Chili Chese Fry from Krystal
Afternoon Snack - King Size Kit-Kat and 16oz Red Bull
Dinner - Cajun Chicken Pasta from Chili's
Throughout the day (including at meals)- About 80oz of Coke
If you are thinking about saying "well surely you don't eat the same thing ever day", no, but similar. And I did drink about the same amount of coke every day and eat a candy bar (sometimes a Mounds or a Twix) and a Red Bull every day.
Again, I'm not asking you for help, I'm just making conversation about how much it F#*$&%@ sucks.
If anyone beforehand hasn't suggested you see someone for help with this obsession and adulation of food, then I highly recommend it.
It took me severely injuring myself from simply picking my son up from his crib to wake up and see how big I'd gotten. Ovarian cysts, everything in my body was begging me to change.
This is NOT just a few months. This is YOUR LIFE. ENTIRELY.
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Then why don't you get the F#&$ off of my thread instead of continuing to come back for 10 pages worth of posts just to complain. Most of us are having a conversation and a few of yall are just acting like @**holes.
If you're not ready, you're not ready. I had dozens of false starts and now I'm 25lb down. Just have to wait till you are. Not a criticism, change is freaking scary. But @Sued0nim and @WinoGelato are some of the people I've found consistently helpful. As I've seen before, pick your hard.9 -
Well, it doesn't work for you because you didn't maintain a deficit. I guess I'm lost on the point here?
Aiming for a weekly deficit works if you remain in a deficit. You can have an equal distribution of that deficit across every day or you can vary your deficit each day (a surplus of 800 calories above goal can be balanced by 4 other days being 200 calories under your goal). But just because you say you're going to eat low on two days and then don't bother sticking to a weekly deficit, of course that's not going to work.
There are lots of different strategies to help people stay in a deficit. All of them are valid, but not all will work for every person.
Which is why it is repeated over and over again on these boards to find what works and helps you hit your calorie goal.
The point was that there is no mathematical way for some of us to have both a deficit (daily, weekly, etc.) and to not be hungry. For people who can be satisfied with 800 calories over, that might work. For some of us, though, the number of calories it takes to really be satisfied is too many to balance out over a week's time.2 -
stevencloser wrote: »2 and 3) Healthy BMI is a range for a reason. A really broad range. 30 to 55 pounds wide from short to tall people. You think he actually looks skinny as hell 45 pounds before someone who is exactly the same height as him would be considererd too skinny by BMI?
To your second question, yes. Picture competitive shot putter/discus thrower. Imagine them shedding weight to get to 190 pounds at 6'1. Suffice it to say, muscle is coming off. They'll look wrong and unhealthy. Maybe you don't like "skinny" as a descriptor for it. I don't know of a better word.
To your first point, BMI damn well better be a broad range. It compares a 2-dimensional property with a 3-dimensional property. In other words, it pretends taller people aren't also broader in order to maintain proportion (in terms of frame not in terms of fat).
And since we're way off topic and neither of us is convincing the other, I'm done.0 -
I have had exactly the same thoughts over the years as I was trying to lose weight. I'm older and dealing with joint pain that keeps me from doing things I used to really enjoy. My overeating is deeply rooted from childhood -- associated with friends and family and socializing. Also food has been my buddy when I am stressed or bored. Over the years I have eliminated most of my "go to" foods because I just don't desire them anymore. My tastes have changed because my eating habits have slowly morphed to healthy choices. Soda used to be a mainstay, now I can't drink it. Don't underestimate the benefits of changing your eating habits now while you're young.4
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I'm somewhat in the same boat OP. I sincerely miss eating a sleeve of chips ahoy and a giant glass of milk...every night. Sometimes thinking of never doing that again makes me sad, angry and resentful. Walking by the damn things at work 8x a day pisses me off...a lot.
For *me, I've not settled on a final goal weight at all. For now I'm just losing until it sucks too much. Then I'll maintain there for a while and decide again. I think that point will be around 180-ish. Still fat. But not as fat as 248. Shrug. I'm not chasing perfection.3 -
I find having a IDGAF day once or twice a month is enough to satisfy me these days, and will hold me over til the next month. It's all down to what you get yourself used too.
@jdb3388 I bet you'll come back to this thread when you're down to goal weight and laugh at your panic, because by that time you'll be a whole different person, both in body AND mind.1 -
This gal can SO relate.0
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You don't get to decide what is delicious to me, or anyone else, in the same way I don't get to decide on that for you. I eat a lot of different kinds of food, from cheap fast food, to standard sit-down style restaurants, to homecooked meals, to 5 star cuisine, and I'll tell you right now, I'll take a greasy plate of french fries smothered in cheese and chili and bacon and ranch dressing over a pretty piece of steak or chicken or fish and greens any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. I don't care about convenience. I enjoy cooking, which is another thing that everyone in this topic seems to think just doesn't happen when people eat a bunch of bad food. I can make a 2000 calorie dish as well or better than any restaurant can.
The idea that you would be miserable if you couldn't eat all the things you want to eat boggles my mind. I mean, that's kind of just the way life is: you don't get to do every thing you ever want to do. I would like to be at Disney World right now. Am I at Disney World right now? No. No, I am not. Does that mean I'm miserable because I don't have what I want? No, because there are other lovely things in my life right now, and I choose to appreciate and enjoy them.
Additionally, how do you know what you will feel like when you're at your goal weight and in maintenance? You're not there yet. I'd understand a lot better if you said "I'm at my goal weight and trying to maintain, but I'm hungry all the time." As it is, it seems like you're just borrowing hypothetical future trouble. And I don't understand why you would choose to do that.21 -
clicketykeys wrote: »
The idea that you would be miserable if you couldn't eat all the things you want to eat boggles my mind. I mean, that's kind of just the way life is: you don't get to do every thing you ever want to do. I would like to be at Disney World right now. Am I at Disney World right now? No. No, I am not. Does that mean I'm miserable because I don't have what I want? No, because there are other lovely things in my life right now, and I choose to appreciate and enjoy them.
Additionally, how do you know what you will feel like when you're at your goal weight and in maintenance? You're not there yet. I'd understand a lot better if you said "I'm at my goal weight and trying to maintain, but I'm hungry all the time." As it is, it seems like you're just borrowing hypothetical future trouble. And I don't understand why you would choose to do that.
Valid points.
Being in control of our emotions/hunger/whims/desires/cravings etc etc is all part of being an Adult. Sometimes we just don't get to do everything we want, when we want. Such is life...1 -
1. I have read every post.
2. This is in response to @jdb3388 being at the 12th day of this.
My journey began on January 25 this year when I weighed 272.4 lb. I was 53 years old then and I am 54 now. For the first week I tried to log my food and made no effort to change my food. I just wanted to practice logging.
Looking back at my diary today, I realize how ignorant and self-sabotaging I was. I'd have a small breakfast, then snack on the free junk at work all day, then go home and try to have a tiny dinner. I was having 'excursions' from my calorie plan as frequently as every month. During these excursions, I'd eat stuff that wasn't planned, was stuff I didn't want to plan, and every time it was stuff that was available in the house. I try to learn. One thing I finally learned was that a small breakfast was not what I needed. I started having a big breakfast. I was afraid that if I avoided the candy bowl at work that I'd experience resentment and failure, so I had a piece of candy every day. Then one day at 3:00 pm, the time of day for the candy, I recognized that I just didn't want it. I've had a few pieces of candy since then, but there's no need for me to binge on it or resent anything. I've got a big bag of my favorite chocolate peanut clusters at home, hidden from my daughters (because they'll eat the whole thing in a day of their TOM). Once or twice a week on weekends I have room in my calories for 1 or 2 of those clusters. I weigh it and log it before I eat it. I recently bought a bag of Ghirardelli dark chocolate individually wrapped squares. I've had it a week and haven't opened it yet. Candy just doesn't need me anymore.
I've described elsewhere the first 2 months of my journey as "dreadful" I was doing everything wrong. I didn't know how to log accurate foods. Looking back today, I think I was even neglecting some of the things I'm sure I was eating. My diary has breakfast of a poached egg and a slice of ham. I haven't poached an egg in years. That breakfast involved 2 pieces of wheat bread, toasted, with the egg stirred up and cooked to puck-firmness in a tiny skillet with oil stacked on the toast with a slice of cheese and the ham. Why wasn't I logging the oil, bread and cheese? I don't know. My dinner was often nothing more than plain white rice. I was traumatized at going cold turkey from soy sauce. I don't recommend anything in my first two months. It was just awful. I lost about 20 lb.
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I have now reached the point where reading these food logs is making my mouth water and tummy grumble angrily.
That might just be my daily deficit talking though. OP, there will be hard days, and there will be stretches it is a lot easier. But as I got closer to my goal I've found I'm usually satisfied on less. I started out eating about 2800 cal/day (about a 100 cal overage on my maintenance). Cutting to 2200 was at first quite painful -- I don't even want to remember my attempt at 1700 (-2 lbs/week) in those early days. I felt very sorry for myself. I was motivated to push through because of my health.
Now that I've lost 100 lbs, I average about 1850/day (0.5 lb/week loss) . I'm acutely hungrier now than I have been since the earlier days, I won't lie to you.
But I wouldn't trade the hunger for going back to how I felt and lived at 270 lbs. I can do things I love again; I can go hiking, and walk my dog and play games with my niece and nephew. I can sit at a chair for more than two minutes, and stand to bake. I can go ice skating and kayaking and dance and not be winded. I can work all day and then go to the theatre and play in a band or conduct and orchestra all night and get up and do it the next day. I could do NONE of this at my top weight. A bad day with lupus now is better than my best days when I was fighting all that weight.
That is to say, losing the weight opened my life to so many more pleasures that the loss of eating as much of whatever I wanted turned out to be a very good trade for me. I cannot speak for others, but it seems a common experience from reading what others say.8 -
Fact is, for pretty much all of us, being an adult means not always getting to do what you want. There will always be trade offs. You weigh up the options, and go with the ones that suit your needs.
If you want to eat what you want all the time, the trade off is that you'll most likely be fat. Only you can decide whether that's going to be worth it for you.7 -
I love this, because it IS a major loss, isn't it? Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, then Acceptance. OP, sounds like you might be in the anger or depression stage. Don't give up. Take to heart all the other suggestions and advice of the people who have posted - they've been where you are. It's hard to believe that you won't always feel the way you do today, but your feelings will change, your cravings will change, your goals will change, your body will change. You've heard it from many on here and it happened to me too. Follow the plan and refocus on your goal for TODAY. Then worry about tomorrow. Wishing you the best.
Edit to add: P.S. I only had ONE bite of that donut in my profile pic. That NEVER would have happened two years ago. I would have eaten the whole thing and then some. I still have days those 4k calorie days, but it happens so few and far between now. It's a lifelong thing, not something that is a quick fix. Once I realized that (and grieved) my whole attitude changed.
I was really hoping you had eaten that doughnut because it looks soooo delish!!
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For me, its almost ceremonious. Eating is not just something I do to survive, its something I thoroughly enjoy. Meal time is something I look forward to for reasons other than hunger. Telling me to just eat healthier/lower calorie/more nutritious/whatever foods is like telling a cocaine addict that he should just smoke pot instead and everything will be alright. It's not a matter of knowing what to do, because God knows I know exactly what to do, its a matter of being able to do it.
Again, I'm not asking you for help, I'm just making conversation about how much it F#*$&%@ sucks.
You know what? I 100% agree with you. It totally sucks. But the good thing is that after you've done it for awhile (subjective), you won't miss food as much. It won't end up being as euphoric and delish as it feels right now. It takes a long while, but eventually, you're not gonna feel like it sucks because you'll be used to eating differently.
But until you no longer miss it, we can totally feel the suckiness of it together. I'm with you: it does suck!
Don't you wish we could just eat whatever we wanted with no repercussions? That would be amazing!
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OP is projecting feelings on OP's own future self.
It's like a parent talking to a child-free younger version of themselves in their early 20s.
Younger single version says, "I could never have kids / having kids is so upsetting because I really love my partying lifestyle and I hate having to wake up at a certain time and it would REALLY cramp my style... no, you don't understand: I really, REALLY love going for brunch with my single friends, and going to concerts and going with the flow."
The younger single self typically does not wake up with an infant or toddler to care for. Typically, single self first finds a partner and decides the partner is a keeper. They plan a future together and slowly or quickly build a life together. Eventually, they turn their mind to having a child. They try to get pregnant or adopt - this can take years. Years and tears. Eventually, they may get lucky and be in the process. Pregnancy is 9-10 looooong months of preparation and education (again, typically). Other processes are also long and fraught with challenge. So much can go awry.
And eventually, if they are luckier still, you have a baby / child.
The person at the end of this journey is no longer the young single version of themself that they once were. Sure, habits linger. There is longing and nostalgia. "The good old days" are missed. But you are a new version of you.
OLD you would never in a zillion years want to, overnight, take on parenting - it would ruin their lifestyle instantly!
But that lifestyle evolved into something different.
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OP is projecting feelings on OP's own future self.
It's like a parent talking to a child-free younger version of themselves in their early 20s.
Younger single version says, "I could never have kids / having kids is so upsetting because I really love my partying lifestyle and I hate having to wake up at a certain time and it would REALLY cramp my style... no, you don't understand: I really, REALLY love going for brunch with my single friends, and going to concerts and going with the flow."
The younger single self typically does not wake up with an infant or toddler to care for. Typically, single self first finds a partner and decides the partner is a keeper. They plan a future together and slowly or quickly build a life together. Eventually, they turn their mind to having a child. They try to get pregnant or adopt - this can take years. Years and tears. Eventually, they may get lucky and be in the process. Pregnancy is 9-10 looooong months of preparation and education (again, typically). Other processes are also long and fraught with challenge. So much can go awry.
And eventually, if they are luckier still, you have a baby / child.
The person at the end of this journey is no longer the young single version of themself that they once were. Sure, habits linger. There is longing and nostalgia. "The good old days" are missed. But you are a new version of you.
OLD you would never in a zillion years want to, overnight, take on parenting - it would ruin their lifestyle instantly!
But that lifestyle evolved into something different.
You started out alright and then turned to the assumption that everyone wants to have a kid to illustrate your point that everyone turns out the same. I'm not like OP because I hadn't thought about how little I would have to eat after losing weight. But had I considered it, I would have felt like he does now. As a childfree man who knew as a teenager (because I thought about that) he didn't ever want to have kids; I haven't ever changed my mind. Your logic that everyone will do a 180 on what they want out of life makes me feel insulted.6 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »
You started out alright and then turned to the assumption that everyone wants to have a kid to illustrate your point that everyone turns out the same. I'm not like OP because I hadn't thought about how little I would have to eat after losing weight. But had I considered it, I would have felt like he does now. As a childfree man who knew as a teenager (because I thought about that) he didn't ever want to have kids; I haven't ever changed my mind. Your logic that everyone will do a 180 on what they want out of life makes me feel insulted.
Agree 100%. Her post started fine, but then, yeah, turned into something else.2 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »
You started out alright and then turned to the assumption that everyone wants to have a kid to illustrate your point that everyone turns out the same. I'm not like OP because I hadn't thought about how little I would have to eat after losing weight. But had I considered it, I would have felt like he does now. As a childfree man who knew as a teenager (because I thought about that) he didn't ever want to have kids; I haven't ever changed my mind. Your logic that everyone will do a 180 on what they want out of life makes me feel insulted.
Oh for crying out loud it was an analogy, not a suggestion that everyone needs, wants, or should have kids.25 -
I had considered doing an Edit to add the starting premise - which I thought was obvious - ie that we were talking generally about a person who wanted a particular outcome, but is DEEPLY conflicted on the impact that outcome would have on current lifestyle.
In my analogy, that outcome was a child. Of course, not everybody wants a child - that is a completely valid choice. OP is deeply conflicted because he WANTS to lose weight. Yet does not want to give up his lifestyle.
I should have done the edit or not bothered posting. Sigh. And sorry for unintended offence!5 -
I had considered doing an Edit to add the starting premise - which I thought was obvious - ie that we were talking generally about a person who wanted a particular outcome, but is DEEPLY conflicted on the impact that outcome would have on current lifestyle.
In my analogy, that outcome was a child. Of course, not everybody wants a child - that is a completely valid choice. OP is deeply conflicted because he WANTS to lose weight. Yet does not want to give up his lifestyle.
I should have done the edit or not bothered posting. Sigh. And sorry for unintended offence!
That makes a little bit more sense, but your first post mentions someone is childfree and then ends up being happy with a kid later in life. Childfree is a term used for people like me who neither have nor want to have kids ever. It is often misunderstood and confused with those who are childless, which would properly describe a person who has no kids, but wants to have kids (even if they are not sure it would fit into their expected lifestyle). For someone like me who is childfree, the idea that I would be happy caring for a kid must assume that I haven't known what I really want out of life for the last 2 decades since I made that decision, but that you do know exactly what I want out of life even better than I know. I hope that helps you understand why this is so upsetting.2 -
I had considered doing an Edit to add the starting premise - which I thought was obvious - ie that we were talking generally about a person who wanted a particular outcome, but is DEEPLY conflicted on the impact that outcome would have on current lifestyle.
In my analogy, that outcome was a child. Of course, not everybody wants a child - that is a completely valid choice. OP is deeply conflicted because he WANTS to lose weight. Yet does not want to give up his lifestyle.
I should have done the edit or not bothered posting. Sigh. And sorry for unintended offence!
I got what you were going for, just didn't think it lined up to the OP's situation. I wasn't offended.0 -
I can SO relate to the OP.....and the idea that I'll be miserable if I have to restrict and weigh and count and measure forever!
I adore fries smothered in chilli and cheese and sour cream. I adore stuff like that in massive quantities....not as an occasional treat
Which helped me realize that my relationship with food is highly dysfunctional.
I quit drinking and drugs a decade ago....because my quality of life was in the toilet.
I quit smoking 3 years ago because I was pretty sure that lil'addiction would contribute to an ugly death.
So why would I cram massive amounts of calorie laden fats into my body, passing up greens for all things brown? Why would I be okay with eating myself into obesity....yet shun cocaine, vodka and cigarettes?
I've determined that in order to be truly successful this time, I MUST address my self-defeating attitudes and beliefs about food.
Beliefs that go back as far as pablum11 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »
That makes a little bit more sense, but your first post mentions someone is childfree and then ends up being happy with a kid later in life. Childfree is a term used for people like me who neither have nor want to have kids ever. It is often misunderstood and confused with those who are childless, which would properly describe a person who has no kids, but wants to have kids (even if they are not sure it would fit into their expected lifestyle). For someone like me who is childfree, the idea that I would be happy caring for a kid must assume that I haven't known what I really want out of life for the last 2 decades since I made that decision, but that you do know exactly what I want out of life even better than I know. I hope that helps you understand why this is so upsetting.
This isn't about you. It was an example. You made a choice for yourself and it was clearly the right choice for you. Why would you think that a generic analogy on a thread on a weight loss forum directed at an OP who isn't you is somehow a suggestion that you made a wrong choice about your own life?20 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »That makes a little bit more sense, but your first post mentions someone is childfree and then ends up being happy with a kid later in life. Childfree is a term used for people like me who neither have nor want to have kids ever. It is often misunderstood and confused with those who are childless, which would properly describe a person who has no kids, but wants to have kids (even if they are not sure it would fit into their expected lifestyle). For someone like me who is childfree, the idea that I would be happy caring for a kid must assume that I haven't known what I really want out of life for the last 2 decades since I made that decision, but that you do know exactly what I want out of life even better than I know. I hope that helps you understand why this is so upsetting.
I was using "child" and "free" in a compound term sense to connote free of children / presently without child, in an analogy about weight. For the record, childless is also a very loaded term in my experience. I'm going to avoid both going forward! ETA: and also analogies on an Internet community board.5 -
midwesterner85 wrote: »
You started out alright and then turned to the assumption that everyone wants to have a kid to illustrate your point that everyone turns out the same. I'm not like OP because I hadn't thought about how little I would have to eat after losing weight. But had I considered it, I would have felt like he does now. As a childfree man who knew as a teenager (because I thought about that) he didn't ever want to have kids; I haven't ever changed my mind. Your logic that everyone will do a 180 on what they want out of life makes me feel insulted.
I've never wanted children but could still appreciate her analogy. The point is about current self and future self. Substitute whatever example you can relate to.9
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