Epsom Salts?
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I think it's the warm bath that helps, and lying there not moving! I love adding radox bubble bath, they have one in the men's part called muscle relax and it honestly smells amazing!
Radox muscle soak
I think it's the sageAlatariel75 wrote: »ladarius93 wrote: »Since it seems like my post was blown out of the water with all of the "scientific research and proof" about detox and examples. Since the only way something is true is because it was scientifically proven or fact checked in order for people to believe. It's not scientifically proven that you will wake up everyday. But that's what people believe. So what's the difference in scientific research for believing in a detox and scientific research that you're going to wake up. Is it scientific or is it a belief or is it a "SCAM"
You have a Masters in Biology and think that science and belief are equally reliable?
Just to clarify no she doesn't ...she admitted it was a "joke" which actually makes a lot more sense when you put the comments in context
Ahh, yes that does make sense. I was becoming concerned.0 -
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After looking at some of the hidious responses about all the "scientific proof" fjust to prove a point to some people is ridiculous. All of you guys that are asking for all of the scientific proof and research, how many of you are ACTUAL scientist,doctors,chemists or professors to be telling someone to prove something. How many of you have done actual case studies, actual in lab research, clinical studies, participated in research or studies? HOW MANY. Just like some pOsted that peolpe come to this community post for information and help. Well, everyone on here is reading and giving their own opinion on what they have read elsrwhete6, whether it's online, "google" , blogs or wherever. If you haven't been involved in an actual study yourself, how can you belittle someone else for their opinion. Just because a person says that they have some type of degree and doesn't stoop to the level of some to explain themselves doesn't make the any more or less ignorant of the situation as anyone else. Everybody is on here to state what they have heard or learned. So just because a person states something and others disagree is no reason to assume they're wrong. The University of Google offers more than Woo Studies, in which I seem you're very familiar with!3
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philosophy4lifeonly wrote: »After looking at some of the hidious responses about all the "scientific proof" fjust to prove a point to some people is ridiculous. All of you guys that are asking for all of the scientific proof and research, how many of you are ACTUAL scientist,doctors,chemists or professors to be telling someone to prove something. How many of you have done actual case studies, actual in lab research, clinical studies, participated in research or studies? HOW MANY. Just like some pOsted that peolpe come to this community post for information and help. Well, everyone on here is reading and giving their own opinion on what they have read elsrwhete6, whether it's online, "google" , blogs or wherever. If you haven't been involved in an actual study yourself, how can you belittle someone else for their opinion. Just because a person says that they have some type of degree and doesn't stoop to the level of some to explain themselves doesn't make the any more or less ignorant of the situation as anyone else. Everybody is on here to state what they have heard or learned. So just because a person states something and others disagree is no reason to assume they're wrong. The University of Google offers more than Woo Studies, in which I seem you're very familiar with!
Stating an opinion and stating that something is true are two different things. If you're sharing something you claim is factual (i.e. epsom salts detox your body), you need to be able to back that up if questioned.4 -
Correct me if I'm wrong, but where in anyone's post do they specifically say that they know for a FACT that epsom salts detox the body. I've read all the back to the first initial post and I can't seem to find it anywhere.3
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I just went back again and reread the young lady/gentlemen's post again and I still can't seem to see where it was posted as saying that they actually said it's a fact that epsom salts detox the body. What I read was that the epsom is good for soaking and it also detox's the body. I didn't see anything about factual. To me, sounds like a simple stating of opinion.0
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philosophy4lifeonly wrote: »I just went back again and reread the young lady/gentlemen's post again and I still can't seem to see where it was posted as saying that they actually said it's a fact that epsom salts detox the body. What I read was that the epsom is good for soaking and it also detox's the body. I didn't see anything about factual. To me, sounds like a simple stating of opinion.
Let's try this...
The sky is blue and pigs fly.
Would you not question my second part of that sentence as if I am stating it as a fact?
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I will never, ever understand why some people get outraged when others try to actually investigate a claim or educate people making unsubstantiated ones. The idea that it is offensive to not swallow claims at face value and to apply critical thinking boggles my mind.
The world is filled with more and more blatant misinformation. It propagates through word of mouth, through social media, and through advertising shilled by unethical companies out to make a buck. That's bad enough. But the idea that it is somehow reprehensible to question that information, request proof, or alert others to the non-factual basis of it is incomprehensible. What is the world coming to.7 -
Am not offering reliable studies and this isn't any scientific proof, but both my DH & i find the Epsom Salt baths to be of great benefit.
This isn't to say everyone should go purchase "epsom salts" however @dewd2, many ppl recommend the use of Epsom salts and have done so for years.2 -
Like I said. Where is it stated that someone posted that epsom factually is a detox. I'm not on here defending anyone. I'm just asking where and what post states that epsom salt is a proven detox. That's all I was asking. I thought maybe I'm not seeing what others are. I'm not offended at all. Now, if the person's post stated that epsom salt is a detox and they had actual proof that is is/was and couldn't defend their answer, then yes they're wrong,wrong,wtong. But if a person states something and doesn't say it's a proven fact is very much different. Investigate a claim or educating people is one thing. Making a statement out of something that's not said is different.2
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philosophy4lifeonly wrote: »Like I said. Where is it stated that someone posted that epsom factually is a detox. I'm not on here defending anyone. I'm just asking where and what post states that epsom salt is a proven detox. That's all I was asking. I thought maybe I'm not seeing what others are. I'm not offended at all. Now, if the person's post stated that epsom salt is a detox and they had actual proof that is is/was and couldn't defend their answer, then yes they're wrong,wrong,wtong. But if a person states something and doesn't say it's a proven fact is very much different. Investigate a claim or educating people is one thing. Making a statement out of something that's not said is different.ladarius93 wrote: »Try either the lavender fragrance Epsom salt (Family Dollar) or you can add aromatherapy lavender drops(10),Braggs organic apple cider vinegar(2 cups)to your bath water along with regular Epsom salt and soak. Teally, really works. Also Walmart carries a doctor teas bath soak in liquid or powder. The Epsom salts will also detox your body while soaking.4
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I don't think anyone ever doubted that Epsom salts have some benefits when it comes to relaxing in a warm bath with sore muscles. The specific statement that people challenged, as they always will and rightfully so, is that Epsom salts "detox" the body. Time and again on these forums people come looking for support in engaging in a detox and time and again they are asked what specific toxins they think they are ridding from their body that aren't handled by our livers and kidneys. Rather than saying "you know, I never thought of that, that makes sense, I'm glad I didn't waste my time/money/bodily fluids on this after all" many times they get defensive or someone swoops in to defend them".
Challenging naive, bogus claims is not a judgement on the poster and doesn't need to be defended. Asking people to use common sense, some critical thinking, and maybe harken back to a bit of basic biology is not an attack. When I have bought into something that didn't work or was a waste of my money (and believe me there have been plenty of times I have), I wish someone would have saved me the time and money. If it came with a refresher course on science and deductive reasoning too, I'd be thanking people!6 -
Epsom salt baths might not help sore muscles, but they will certainly give you psychic powers.
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Alatariel75 wrote: »philosophy4lifeonly wrote: »Like I said. Where is it stated that someone posted that epsom factually is a detox. I'm not on here defending anyone. I'm just asking where and what post states that epsom salt is a proven detox. That's all I was asking. I thought maybe I'm not seeing what others are. I'm not offended at all. Now, if the person's post stated that epsom salt is a detox and they had actual proof that is is/was and couldn't defend their answer, then yes they're wrong,wrong,wtong. But if a person states something and doesn't say it's a proven fact is very much different. Investigate a claim or educating people is one thing. Making a statement out of something that's not said is different.ladarius93 wrote: »Try either the lavender fragrance Epsom salt (Family Dollar) or you can add aromatherapy lavender drops(10),Braggs organic apple cider vinegar(2 cups)to your bath water along with regular Epsom salt and soak. Teally, really works. Also Walmart carries a doctor teas bath soak in liquid or powder. The Epsom salts will also detox your body while soaking.
But where did this person say that it's a fact?0 -
philosophy4lifeonly wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »philosophy4lifeonly wrote: »Like I said. Where is it stated that someone posted that epsom factually is a detox. I'm not on here defending anyone. I'm just asking where and what post states that epsom salt is a proven detox. That's all I was asking. I thought maybe I'm not seeing what others are. I'm not offended at all. Now, if the person's post stated that epsom salt is a detox and they had actual proof that is is/was and couldn't defend their answer, then yes they're wrong,wrong,wtong. But if a person states something and doesn't say it's a proven fact is very much different. Investigate a claim or educating people is one thing. Making a statement out of something that's not said is different.ladarius93 wrote: »Try either the lavender fragrance Epsom salt (Family Dollar) or you can add aromatherapy lavender drops(10),Braggs organic apple cider vinegar(2 cups)to your bath water along with regular Epsom salt and soak. Teally, really works. Also Walmart carries a doctor teas bath soak in liquid or powder. The Epsom salts will also detox your body while soaking.
But where did this person say that it's a fact?
The statement itself is inherently phrased as a statement of fact. If everyone had to preface every statement with "it is a fact that..." the forums would be even more ridiculous.6 -
How can you say people need to use common sense when you stated that you purchased things that didn't work. Common sense would have told you to look into the product or "research" it before purchasing. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black0
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Ok. Alatariel75. I see the bold print loud and clear. But still where does it say that it's a proven fact. A person can say anything. It's the perception of how the receiver takes it. I understand exactly what you're saying, but the way it's being perceived isnt the way it's stated. The person should have immediately clarified that this was his/her mistake for saying something they had read or however they got the information. But,oh,wait. They did say where they got their information. Links were included, whether they're correct or not. Evidence was there. It's up to the reader to read the links and determine if it's factual or not. It's just as easy as you saying that a particular food is good. Maybe to you it is. To others it's your choice.1
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philosophy4lifeonly wrote: »Ok. Alatariel75. I see the bold print loud and clear. But still where does it say that it's a proven fact. A person can say anything. It's the perception of how the receiver takes it. I understand exactly what you're saying, but the way it's being perceived isnt the way it's stated. The person should have immediately clarified that this was his/her mistake for saying something they had read or however they got the information. But,oh,wait. They did say where they got their information. Links were included, whether they're correct or not. Evidence was there. It's up to the reader to read the links and determine if it's factual or not. It's just as easy as you saying that a particular food is good. Maybe to you it is. To others it's your choice.
Facts aren't a choice. I don't understand why this has hatched a big enough bug that you feel the need to join a forum to defend someone's rights to make unsubstantiated claims.
If someone has a right to make a claim, others have a right to refute it and request facts to back it up. That's education and discourse. I despair of a world where that is discouraged.3 -
ladarius93. Looks like you need to clarify in your post next time specifically whether or not something is your opinion, word of others or "scientifically true" so epsom salt and other products won't be banned. You're on a board with a lot of doctors, scientist and chemist.2
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You're not bs'ing. I only mentioned the epsom salt detox because of what Ive learned about in the past and read. Maybe I should've rephrased it and said "I HEARD EPSOM SALT SOAKS WILL DETOX","BUT THAT'S ONLY WHAT I'VE HEARD."Maybe then everyone would be on the same page. But I'm human and own up to my faults and mistakes. Yes, it was a big f◇<#!×£ mistake to say the statement. So to everyone that was offended and judgmental;1
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Repost: Epsom salt baths have been known to help alleviate pain and some muscle soreness. BUT, IT IS NOT A DETOX. Hope that's more educated and substantial enough.1
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philosophy4lifeonly wrote: »ladarius93. Looks like you need to clarify in your post next time specifically whether or not something is your opinion, word of others or "scientifically true" so epsom salt and other products won't be banned. You're on a board with a lot of doctors, scientist and chemist.
Actually many of us are, which is why making dubious claims then joking about a having a masters in biology is a bit offensive to those who studied science and obtained bachelors, masters degrees or PhDs in these subjects.
Even still there are many who don't have a degree in these subjects and it is not their profession, but they have enough respect for knowledge, scientific method, and burden of proof to challenge such claims when they are posted.
What I will never understand is why people are prideful and boastful of their ignorance. Not to say that ignorance is something to be ashamed of, it certainly isn't, I am ignorant about many topics. But rather than dismissing or mocking those who are more knowledgeable than me, I try to learn from them, not defend my ignorance with statements like "well I never said it is a fact".6 -
Am not offering reliable studies and this isn't any scientific proof, but both my DH & i find the Epsom Salt baths to be of great benefit.
This isn't to say everyone should go purchase "epsom salts" however @dewd2, many ppl recommend the use of Epsom salts and have done so for years.
I did not comment on this until the more ridiculous claims were made. If you feel like it helps you, go for it. People do it all the time. As a runner I like massages and I like to stretch after I run. Neither has any real benefit. It just makes me 'feel good'. The difference is I will never tell anyone that either is necessary or that they do things they do not do. And I do believe I stated earlier in the thread that the research that Epsom salt does anything is very weak. I didn't completely dismiss it even though the study is a bit suspect. More research is required.
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FYI winogelato, I do have a Master's in Biology. After the young lady/man posted that "TBH, I wonder if you actually have a master's, I gave a sarcastic answer to her/his sarcastic question.0
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So who's ignorant and defending their ignorance.1
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I honestly have no idea.ladarius93 wrote: »So who's ignorant and defending their ignorance.
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There are always people in this world that knows more than other people. And there are people that are not as smart or educated on topics. But before you start talking about people and name calling, you need to get your facts right. For one, I would never call myself or nobody else ignorant. #2. I am no smarter or think that I know any more than anyone else on this board.So if you consider yourself ignorant, so be it. But I don't consider nobody ignorant. That's your preference.1
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Ignorant (adjective): lacking knowledge, information or awareness about something in particular.
Everyone is ignorant about something. Correction. Everyone is ignorant about lots of things.3 -
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I honestly have no idea.ladarius93 wrote: »So who's ignorant and defending their ignorance.
Good. I'm glad you don't!0
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