Epsom Salts?
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Ignorance is not an insult. It is a descriptor. I am ignorant of many things and happy to admit it. I don't take pride in not knowing something and am happy to learn.
But seeing as you weren't joking about having a Masters in Biology, can we return to my question of how it is then, that you rate belief on the same level as scientific evidence?4 -
Good grief, this thread is so full of unnecessary drama and outrage.
Epsom salts are FDA approved for the treatment of constipation. However, you're just not going to find much scientific evidence supporting the benefits of soaking in Epsom salts, simply because there has not been much study of it. But the lack of study doesn't rule out the possibility of benefits. It just makes it inconclusive. To rule it out, you'd actually have to study it, and that's just not happening. Not everything is so important that precious resources are wasted on researching it. There's not a lot of research on Epsom salts because it's not that big of a deal, it's not a potential money maker for research sponsors, and researchers simply don't care about it.
Use it or don't use it. It's not going to hurt. People can make suggestions and give advice if they want. This isn't a topic that people need to be outraged or overly concerned about spreading misinformation about. Epsom salt soaks are widely used and while we don't have peer-reviewed research to show that they are helpful, they are most certainly not harmful. And if you have evidence that people will be harmed by soaking in Epsom salts, then please "show me the peer-reviewed research" to back that up.6 -
ladarius93 wrote: »FYI winogelato, I do have a Master's in Biology. After the young lady/man posted that "TBH, I wonder if you actually have a master's, I gave a sarcastic answer to her/his sarcastic question.
Wow
That is incredible
So to thisI have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say to be honest.
Although I gather the "Masters of Biology" claim was some kind of joke?
Enjoy your Epsom salts bath
You responded thisladarius93 wrote: »That's exactly what is was. Enjoy yours too.
And you are redefining both of those as sarcasm now?
"Curiouser and curiouser" said Alice4 -
ladarius93 wrote: »There are always people in this world that knows more than other people. And there are people that are not as smart or educated on topics. But before you start talking about people and name calling, you need to get your facts right. For one, I would never call myself or nobody else ignorant. #2. I am no smarter or think that I know any more than anyone else on this board.So if you consider yourself ignorant, so be it. But I don't consider nobody ignorant. That's your preference.
Surely as a scientist, you must recognize that the diet and fitness industry profit greatly from keeping people confused, and that it makes sense to debunk the myths as they are presented. Does it not seem like it would be appropriate for people to clarify when myths are being presented so that people can make informed choices based on what is currently known? Additionally, because tone isn't conveyed through written media, such as these forums, sarcasm (unless it is very blatant) is not always conveyed to those reading, so it is easy to misinterpret these things. Many an argument has started with sarcasm.5 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »I've always known it as a last resort extremely effective laxative.
hence the expression 'he went through it like a dose of salts'.
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All of this over Epsom salts? Really????5
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ladarius93 wrote: »There are always people in this world that knows more than other people. And there are people that are not as smart or educated on topics. But before you start talking about people and name calling, you need to get your facts right. For one, I would never call myself or nobody else ignorant. #2. I am no smarter or think that I know any more than anyone else on this board.So if you consider yourself ignorant, so be it. But I don't consider nobody ignorant. That's your preference.
Is English your second language, perhaps? Because the definition of ignorant is as @WinoGelato stated.0 -
Jtalaskamom wrote: »The Epsom salt bath delivers magnesium through your skin. That magnesium help to reduce inflammation and it can act as a muscle relaxant. One cup for a bath that is about six inches deep should be enough. Make sure you stay in for at least 20min.
Who has time to sit in a bath tub for at least 20 minutes?0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Jtalaskamom wrote: »The Epsom salt bath delivers magnesium through your skin. That magnesium help to reduce inflammation and it can act as a muscle relaxant. One cup for a bath that is about six inches deep should be enough. Make sure you stay in for at least 20min.
Who has time to sit in a bath tub for at least 20 minutes?
You could read a book or catch up on emails or the latest happenings on MFP whilst soaking! Yes?0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Jtalaskamom wrote: »The Epsom salt bath delivers magnesium through your skin. That magnesium help to reduce inflammation and it can act as a muscle relaxant. One cup for a bath that is about six inches deep should be enough. Make sure you stay in for at least 20min.
Who has time to sit in a bath tub for at least 20 minutes?
You could read a book or catch up on emails or the latest happenings on MFP whilst soaking! Yes?
Electronic devices in a bathtub scare me.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Jtalaskamom wrote: »The Epsom salt bath delivers magnesium through your skin. That magnesium help to reduce inflammation and it can act as a muscle relaxant. One cup for a bath that is about six inches deep should be enough. Make sure you stay in for at least 20min.
Who has time to sit in a bath tub for at least 20 minutes?
You could read a book or catch up on emails or the latest happenings on MFP whilst soaking! Yes?
Electronic devices in a bathtub scare me.
Clumsy, eh?2 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »ladarius93 wrote: »There are always people in this world that knows more than other people. And there are people that are not as smart or educated on topics. But before you start talking about people and name calling, you need to get your facts right. For one, I would never call myself or nobody else ignorant. #2. I am no smarter or think that I know any more than anyone else on this board.So if you consider yourself ignorant, so be it. But I don't consider nobody ignorant. That's your preference.
Is English your second language, perhaps? Because the definition of ignorant is as @WinoGelato stated.
It is frequently used as an insult, though, and that's often how it's taken. It's actually not hard to choose your words in a way that doesn't demean the person you're talking to.Packerjohn wrote: »Jtalaskamom wrote: »The Epsom salt bath delivers magnesium through your skin. That magnesium help to reduce inflammation and it can act as a muscle relaxant. One cup for a bath that is about six inches deep should be enough. Make sure you stay in for at least 20min.
Who has time to sit in a bath tub for at least 20 minutes?
Who doesn't have time?1 -
If someone is misinformed about the actual meaning of a word, how is that the fault of the person that uses it correctly? <confused>comptonelizabeth wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »ladarius93 wrote: »There are always people in this world that knows more than other people. And there are people that are not as smart or educated on topics. But before you start talking about people and name calling, you need to get your facts right. For one, I would never call myself or nobody else ignorant. #2. I am no smarter or think that I know any more than anyone else on this board.So if you consider yourself ignorant, so be it. But I don't consider nobody ignorant. That's your preference.
Is English your second language, perhaps? Because the definition of ignorant is as @WinoGelato stated.
It is frequently used as an insult, though, and that's often how it's taken. It's actually not hard to choose your words in a way that doesn't demean the person you're talking to.
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All I know is I got confused and soaked for 30 minutes in Apple Cider Vinegar. Now I'm in a real pickle.14
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snickerscharlie wrote: »
If someone is misinformed about the actual meaning of a word, how is that the fault of the person that uses it correctly? <confused>comptonelizabeth wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »ladarius93 wrote: »There are always people in this world that knows more than other people. And there are people that are not as smart or educated on topics. But before you start talking about people and name calling, you need to get your facts right. For one, I would never call myself or nobody else ignorant. #2. I am no smarter or think that I know any more than anyone else on this board.So if you consider yourself ignorant, so be it. But I don't consider nobody ignorant. That's your preference.
Is English your second language, perhaps? Because the definition of ignorant is as @WinoGelato stated.
It is frequently used as an insult, though, and that's often how it's taken. It's actually not hard to choose your words in a way that doesn't demean the person you're talking to.
Omg - no one is saying it's anyone's fault. I'm simply pointing out that the colloquial meaning of words changes over time. For example, "sad" and "pathetic "are now often used as mild insults although their original meaning wasn't insulting.
If you use the word ignorant to describe someone, the chances are they will feel insulted. It's just as easy to use a more neutral term like "misinformed " unless of course it's immaterial to you whether or not you hurt someone's feelings.
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Having said all that - I have to admit I've just looked back over this thread and can't see where anyone actually used the word ignorant in an insulting way
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comptonelizabeth wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
If someone is misinformed about the actual meaning of a word, how is that the fault of the person that uses it correctly? <confused>comptonelizabeth wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »ladarius93 wrote: »There are always people in this world that knows more than other people. And there are people that are not as smart or educated on topics. But before you start talking about people and name calling, you need to get your facts right. For one, I would never call myself or nobody else ignorant. #2. I am no smarter or think that I know any more than anyone else on this board.So if you consider yourself ignorant, so be it. But I don't consider nobody ignorant. That's your preference.
Is English your second language, perhaps? Because the definition of ignorant is as @WinoGelato stated.
It is frequently used as an insult, though, and that's often how it's taken. It's actually not hard to choose your words in a way that doesn't demean the person you're talking to.
Omg - no one is saying it's anyone's fault. I'm simply pointing out that the colloquial meaning of words changes over time. For example, "sad" and "pathetic "are now often used as mild insults although their original meaning wasn't insulting.
If you use the word ignorant to describe someone, the chances are they will feel insulted. It's just as easy to use a more neutral term like "misinformed " unless of course it's immaterial to you whether or not you hurt someone's feelings.
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Which is why I clearly stated when I first introduced the word that being ignorant is not something to be embarrassed by and that I am ignorant of many things. What I don't understand is when people use ignorance as a badge of honor or something to guide decisions, as we see so often in the "clean eating" threads when someone says "don't eat foods with ingredients you can't pronounce". I wouldn't be proud to not be able to pronounce complex words, but nor would I be embarrassed by it. I also wouldn't use it as something to determine whether or not I should eat a food.
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ladarius93 wrote: »You're not bs'ing. I only mentioned the epsom salt detox because of what Ive learned about in the past and read. Maybe I should've rephrased it and said "I HEARD EPSOM SALT SOAKS WILL DETOX","BUT THAT'S ONLY WHAT I'VE HEARD."Maybe then everyone would be on the same page. But I'm human and own up to my faults and mistakes. Yes, it was a big f◇<#!×£ mistake to say the statement. So to everyone that was offended and judgmental;
Yes - in general, if you *don't* qualify a statement (such as with "in general") it will come across as a clear statement of fact. That's not a "big f'in mistake," just a regular one. The bigger mistake was becoming defensive rather than listening.4 -
philosophy4lifeonly wrote: »After looking at some of the hidious responses about all the "scientific proof" fjust to prove a point to some people is ridiculous. All of you guys that are asking for all of the scientific proof and research, how many of you are ACTUAL scientist,doctors,chemists or professors to be telling someone to prove something. How many of you have done actual case studies, actual in lab research, clinical studies, participated in research or studies? HOW MANY. Just like some pOsted that peolpe come to this community post for information and help. Well, everyone on here is reading and giving their own opinion on what they have read elsrwhete6, whether it's online, "google" , blogs or wherever. If you haven't been involved in an actual study yourself, how can you belittle someone else for their opinion. Just because a person says that they have some type of degree and doesn't stoop to the level of some to explain themselves doesn't make the any more or less ignorant of the situation as anyone else. Everybody is on here to state what they have heard or learned. So just because a person states something and others disagree is no reason to assume they're wrong. The University of Google offers more than Woo Studies, in which I seem you're very familiar with!
So according to you, only actual scientists, doctors,and chemists should be asking for proof? I'm a lowly customer service rep so I guess I should shut my mouth and not question anything in life.
Btw, why are you posting under 2 different accounts? It makes it confusing to read your posts.
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I'm a doctoral student -does that put me in the okay to ask questions category or in the shut my mouth category? Does the fact that I'm already a practicing critical care nurse change that? #askingforafriend3
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I'm a doctoral student -does that put me in the okay to ask questions category or in the shut my mouth category? Does the fact that I'm already a practicing critical care nurse change that? #askingforafriend
Can you prove your status in grad school? :huh: :laugh:
Personally, I like when people ask questions and are open to critically evaluating the information. It can lead to some great discussions.1 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »I'm a doctoral student -does that put me in the okay to ask questions category or in the shut my mouth category? Does the fact that I'm already a practicing critical care nurse change that? #askingforafriend
Can you prove your status in grad school? :huh: :laugh:
Personally, I like when people ask questions and are open to critically evaluating the information. It can lead to some great discussions.
Including ones where people actually learn stuff. 0 -
I'm a doctoral student -does that put me in the okay to ask questions category or in the shut my mouth category? Does the fact that I'm already a practicing critical care nurse change that? #askingforafriend
I believe the threshold was to be an "ACTUAL" hard science professional with "ACTUAL" assorted research under your belt before you can mock someone for citing product packaging and marketing pamphlets as a credible source. Regrettably, it seems some people lack experience with the scientific knowledge and rigor (as well as the expectation that one exercise that knowledge and rigor in everyday life) underlying a good classical liberal education.
That being said, Dead Sea salt is demonstrably better in a bath than Epsom salts.[1]
[1]Jmbmilholland, "Dead Sea Salts Make Me Feel Extra Fancy Because They Are Exotic, Expensive and Contain Many Trace Elements and Minerals," Muh Feelz Quarterly (2016): 370.6 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »I'm a doctoral student -does that put me in the okay to ask questions category or in the shut my mouth category? Does the fact that I'm already a practicing critical care nurse change that? #askingforafriend
I believe the threshold was to be an "ACTUAL" hard science professional with "ACTUAL" assorted research under your belt before you can mock someone for citing product packaging and marketing pamphlets as a credible source. Regrettably, it seems some people lack experience with the scientific knowledge and rigor (as well as the expectation that one exercise that knowledge and rigor in everyday life) underlying a good classical liberal education.
That being said, Dead Sea salt is demonstrably better in a bath than Epsom salts.[1]
[1]Jmbmilholland, "Dead Sea Salts Make Me Feel Extra Fancy Because They Are Exotic, Expensive and Contain Many Trace Elements and Minerals," Muh Feelz Quarterly (2016): 370.
#allthesciencesupinhurr3 -
jmbmilholland wrote: »I'm a doctoral student -does that put me in the okay to ask questions category or in the shut my mouth category? Does the fact that I'm already a practicing critical care nurse change that? #askingforafriend
I believe the threshold was to be an "ACTUAL" hard science professional with "ACTUAL" assorted research under your belt before you can mock someone for citing product packaging and marketing pamphlets as a credible source. Regrettably, it seems some people lack experience with the scientific knowledge and rigor (as well as the expectation that one exercise that knowledge and rigor in everyday life) underlying a good classical liberal education.
That being said, Dead Sea salt is demonstrably better in a bath than Epsom salts.[1]
[1]Jmbmilholland, "Dead Sea Salts Make Me Feel Extra Fancy Because They Are Exotic, Expensive and Contain Many Trace Elements and Minerals," Muh Feelz Quarterly (2016): 370.
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