Is there any such thing as carb sensitivity?
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MonicaRAmbs wrote: »There is a biological reason that some people and I say some people because our bodies have 2 different ways of burning fuel. If you are a sugar burner (your diet is mostly carbohydrate (50% as recommended by the ADA), then you will be unable to loose fat unless you greatly reduce your total calories which will make you so hungry you will eat anything to stop that sensation. If you are a fat burner, which I am, you will eat 80% fat, 15% protein and 5% carbs. You see, I am carb sensitive. Some humans have carbohydrate intolerance and gain weight and get diabetes usually near their 40-50 age groups. Well for us its biological. If you eat carbs (they all contain sugar, but things without extreme high levels of fibre are the same as eating sugar from the bowl) your pancreas releases insulin (the fat storage hormone) and insulin attaches itself to a cell wall and that tells the cell to allow the sugar in. If your cells get bombarded with insulin frequently (the SAD diet recommends eating frequently which means insulin is always bombarding the cell wall) they can become resistant to insulins demeans and the pancreas now has to release more insulin into the blood to get that sugar into cells. If this continues, eventually the pancreas stops producing insulin. Voila you have made your self a diabetic. So for some of us, we need to keep as far away from carbs as possible. And the most fabulous part of this fantastic lifestyle is the profound satiety. And I mean profound. I had been hungry all my life. I dieted for many years, exist on the SAD diet but was oh so hungry all the time. This constant demand of the brain for sugar is exhausting and consumed most of my waking hours. Recently I learned the science that when you reduce the amount and volume of insulin entering your blood stream, then your body accesses your body fat for fuel and breaks down the fat into tryglycerides which then get converted into Ketones which is a highly prized nutrient for the brain and the rest of the body cells. Fat is one of the most important nutrients in our body. Every cell wall needs it. The brain is 50% fat. The recent science is clear, 70% of our society has become insulin resistant and are on their way to Diabetes. Now the science on Carbs. OK so you love your sugar, thats what carbs are. I get it. A muffin is more attractive than bacon. Well maybe not more attractive but the science is saying more addictive. When you eat sugar (carbs especially highly processed foods and high fructose drinks) insulin must be secreted by the pancreas, this locks down fat. Remember this "Insulin is the fat storage hormone". If your diet is very high in carbohydrates and you have eaten a meal which is high in them then insulin tries to get it into your cells but if, there is no space left in those cells because your diet is full of carbs then the sugar gets sent back to the liver which will convert it into tryglycerides and will put a droplet of that fat into your liver and then export the rest into your fat cells. Over time your liver becomes fatty. This then leads to multiple other conditions, heart disease, aches pains and Alzheimers. If you feed sugar to mice they die at an alarming rate. Sugar has no nutrients at all Grant it some carbs do have a number of nutrients but are packaged with a high amount of sugar, whereas fat and protein are essential nutrients. Look this up. Carbohydrates are not a essential nutrient for life. In order for humans to evolve, for 2.5 million years, we ate meat and fat. In other wards, the animal, from tail to nose. Until, 10 thousand years ago, grains where cultivated and we changed our diet from meat and fat to more than 50% grain based. Studies of this era of mummies, reveal startling information. They got fat, heart disease, diabetes, kidney failure, etc. You see many vessels in our bodies are being destroyed by this constant bombardment of sugar, leading to diabetes, kidney failure, blindness and the disease they are now calling Diabetes # 3 Alzheimers. Scientist think, that man has not evolved to tolerate that huge amount of sugar that is in our diets. They believe we where fat burners and when we came across a small hand full of sugar (berries) their liver evolved to use it. (The liver processes 50% of all sugars) Fat has the greatest number of calories and my brain and cells need it, so it would make sense on an evolutionary bases to eat as much as I could. Athletes know that you can only store about 1500 - 2000 calories of glycogen in their muscles, so if you where an early man you would run out of fuel about one hour into running after an antelope. Early man was a fat burner, he burned fat all day long and used the huge amount of fat on his body to run for a long time till animals got over heated and stopped running and we then killed them. Man has something that makes him able to run a long time without stopping. He sweats, and animals cannot do this. They pant and get overheated and exhausted and then stop running. Because we could sweat, and burn fat, we humans survived. I don't believe and neither do scientists, that we have evolved long enough to be healthy on sugar. Oh some of you out their can, which is only about 15-20% of our society. You can eat CARB-AGE you never get fat and you may not get sick in the long term, but many of us have and look around you folks, the obesity rate in this Country is staggering. Many are pre-diabetic and Diabetic. So I will continue on my LCHF diet now for the rest of my life for the benefits I have found. I have lost 47 pounds, reduced my blood sugars, (as a consequence reduced my cell walls from insulin exposure), took away my hunger completely (what a relief), improved my mood and gave me a clarity of thinking I have never known. Stopped my joints from aching so I no longer take pain meds. Improved all my heart markers, sleep better now than in my 20's, and of course I look good in skinny jeans. Because I am carb intolerant then I can't go back to eating muffins, pasta, mashed potatoes, beans and rice. And if only for satiety and weight loss it would be enough but the benefits go way beyond that and for me, I will be in Nutritional Ketosis for life.
Holy wall of text much? How do you expect anyone to be able to read this? Paragraphs are a beautiful thing.
Agreed with @SLLRunner ...Peer reviewed studies to back up those claims...6 -
AngeleyesJo wrote: »I've had a few strange symptoms that are almost like a diabetic but I'm not diabetic, last night I had a nice meal of skinless fish, boiled potatoes and veg, was OK then had a choc chip muffin as a treat, after I felt very hungry yet I'd had the meal beforehand, was it the carbs or sugars in the Muffin?
I just want to point out this is no where near a diabetic symptom. If you were an undiagnosed diabetic and had eaten that muffin, you would be very drowsy and needing to sleep after a half hour and would be pissing like a horse.2 -
AngeleyesJo wrote: »Wow that is very interesting information thank you, what can I replace potatoes with in a meal?
It's not accurate, though. From what you said you were fine after the meal, and there's no reason to assume the issue with the muffin was "carbs." Sometimes for some sugar can trigger appetite (usually cravings or a desire to eat rather than real hunger, but some people experience them as hunger). That the muffin was probably highly palatable (which is a function of the fat + sugar) is also related.
The main difference between the muffin and the dinner (other than no protein in the muffin, but you just had a bunch with dinner) is fat -- the dinner was low fat, the muffin probably had about half its calories from fat. So assuming it's an issue with "carbs" really doesn't fit the facts.
You might just do better focusing on meals for now if snacking tends to trigger a desire to eat more. I tend to want to eat more if I start snacking a lot, although I don't experience it as hunger, just desire to eat (since I know I'm not really hungry -- it would make no sense).5 -
MonicaRAmbs wrote: »There is a biological reason that some people and I say some people because our bodies have 2 different ways of burning fuel. If you are a sugar burner (your diet is mostly carbohydrate (50% as recommended by the ADA), then you will be unable to loose fat unless you greatly reduce your total calories which will make you so hungry you will eat anything to stop that sensation.
No, this is false. Everyone is both a fat burner and a sugar burner -- your body switches back and forth based on how intense your activity is and what fuel is available. I eat about 50% carbs, and yet my body burns fat, for example.
Also, the "SAD" doesn't recommend anything, let alone eating frequently. But people lose weight eating lots of mini meals (annoying as I would find that) just as well as eating fewer meals.
There are many traditional diets that are quite high carb (higher carb and lower fat than the SAD) where T2D is so rare as to be basically non-existent, so your claim that eating carbs causes diabetes (in addition to not being supported by the ADA) is inconsistent with the evidence. Eating a poor diet (usually high fat as well as high carb, and poor choices for both) tends to correlate with being overweight, though, and that plus risk factors can lead to T2D, but that is not relevant to the this thread that I can see.
Oh, and for those into the highly palatable foods can be addictive thing (which I'm not, so much), they will focus on foods that are combinations of fat and sugar especially, as those tend to score highest on the "addiction" tests. Also, fat excites our brains as much as sugar -- both are tasty and signs of available calories, yay!, so this makes evolutionary sense.
This current demonization of carbs, all carbs, as if eating a carrot was somehow a problem, and one could never get fat if one just stuck to bacon and cheese (and I'm pretty sure bacon isn't considered less exciting than a muffin by the average person, it's awfully popular), is tiresome. It's about as illuminating as Susan Powter screeching about fat makes you fat.3 -
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AngeleyesJo wrote: »Wow that is very interesting information thank you, what can I replace potatoes with in a meal?
Here is the low carb group. Instead of potatoes they eat larger portions of veggies and add more oil, avocados, cheese, sour cream.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
Some also eat potatoes - and everything else - within their carb allowance. 100g of potato is 18g carb and 2g fiber which can fit in all but the lowest of carb limits. Smaller amounts of higher carb vegetables, beans and starches, like potatoes, can be paired with lower carb foods. For example, I frequently eat roasted potatoes, onions and broccoli in the winter - I just make sure there's more broccoli than potatoes in the mix.
My advise (for what it's worth) before cutting out whole foods you enjoy just because "high carb" look at the macros and see if you can fit smaller, but still satisfying amounts in your diet.
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I am not sure if someone has already mentioned this, but are you drinking enough water? Often, dehydration masks itself as hunger.1
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I feel the same way after eating something high in sugar, as a muffin is. I can completely relate to what you describe.
Your dinner combined protein, fiber, and possibly some fat with its carbs. That mitigated the carb impact on your blood sugar, so prevented a hunger increase.
I have to drink a glass of milk when eating a muffin or other pastry. The protein in the milk consistently prevents the post-sugar appetite increase.
I gain weight easily on a high carb diet and lose it easily when eating lowish carb. The bulk of that is likely due to CICO, but I suspect not all. I know many see current research as conclusive, but I think nutritional science is still understanding this topic.3 -
Extremely well said MonicaRAmbs. I see you are well read on the subject which is all completely accurate. People will always knock what you say and plenty here are doing it. But you are inspiring.1
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Extremely well said MonicaRAmbs. I see you are well read on the subject which is all completely accurate. People will always knock what you say and plenty here are doing it. But you are inspiring.
I am all for keto, lchf and whatever diet a person wants to follow, but that information was not correct. And correcting the accuracy of a post is not knocking someone.6 -
AngeleyesJo wrote: »I've had a few strange symptoms that are almost like a diabetic but I'm not diabetic, last night I had a nice meal of skinless fish, boiled potatoes and veg, was OK then had a choc chip muffin as a treat, after I felt very hungry yet I'd had the meal beforehand, was it the carbs or sugars in the Muffin?
How many calories are you eating a day, and what is your height and weight?
Skinless fish and boiled veg don't have many calories.
You may just literally be hungry.
As for carb sensitivity, I think it affects some people drastically and they are forced to join closed groups on MFP and Facebook.
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Despite what you may say, I am correct. If you would only read the science. You are going on very old data. A calorie is not a calorie. I eat a lot of fat and I loose weight but most importantly it removes cravings, gives complete satiety, changes all your cardiac markers, reduces inflammation, stops Diabetes in its tracks. And way more. You have not read or seen any recent conferences have you? Go to U-tube and watch 2016 Metabolic conferences and the scientists Dr. Jeff Voleck, Dr. Agostino, Dr. Steven Phinney, and then read about 150 papers that have come out since 2003. Throw your old books away.1
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As for Diabetes, we have a world wide epidemic and its going to bankrupt the health care system in many countries including the USA. I don't know where you live but please look up this data on the WHO website. I am a nurse and this affects 70% of the population. 40% are diabetic and 30% are pre diabetic. I wish people really would not sound off without the data. Read "The art and science of low carb living" by the scientist who have studied and published papers. Read Gary Taubes book "Why we get fat" and "Good calories bad calories", Read Nina Tiecholz book "The Big Fat Surprise", Then go to pub med and type in Dr. Jeff Voleck name and read the science. Its biology people. Plain old biology. This has been known for some time but not a lot of doctors have any nutrition education. And dieticians only go by what their license allows. Check out Jimmy Moores books Keto Clarity and Cholesterol Clarity and his podcast listing many scientist and doctors.1
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MonicaRAmbs wrote: »Despite what you may say, I am correct. If you would only read the science. You are going on very old data. A calorie is not a calorie. I eat a lot of fat and I loose weight but most importantly it removes cravings, gives complete satiety, changes all your cardiac markers, reduces inflammation, stops Diabetes in its tracks. And way more. You have not read or seen any recent conferences have you? Go to U-tube and watch 2016 Metabolic conferences and the scientists Dr. Jeff Voleck, Dr. Agostino, Dr. Steven Phinney, and then read about 150 papers that have come out since 2003. Throw your old books away.
Links to those 150 papers would be great!2 -
AngeleyesJo wrote: »I've had a few strange symptoms that are almost like a diabetic but I'm not diabetic, last night I had a nice meal of skinless fish, boiled potatoes and veg, was OK then had a choc chip muffin as a treat, after I felt very hungry yet I'd had the meal beforehand, was it the carbs or sugars in the Muffin?
How many calories are you eating a day, and what is your height and weight?
Skinless fish and boiled veg don't have many calories.
You may just literally be hungry.
As for carb sensitivity, I think it affects some people drastically and they are forced to join closed groups on MFP and Facebook.
I'm 5 ft tall and weigh 144 pounds, have lost two stones but now seem to be struggling closer to target weight, I eat about 1600 to 1700 calories0 -
AlabasterVerve wrote: »AngeleyesJo wrote: »Wow that is very interesting information thank you, what can I replace potatoes with in a meal?
Here is the low carb group. Instead of potatoes they eat larger portions of veggies and add more oil, avocados, cheese, sour cream.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
Some also eat potatoes - and everything else - within their carb allowance. 100g of potato is 18g carb and 2g fiber which can fit in all but the lowest of carb limits. Smaller amounts of higher carb vegetables, beans and starches, like potatoes, can be paired with lower carb foods. For example, I frequently eat roasted potatoes, onions and broccoli in the winter - I just make sure there's more broccoli than potatoes in the mix.
My advise (for what it's worth) before cutting out whole foods you enjoy just because "high carb" look at the macros and see if you can fit smaller, but still satisfying amounts in your diet.
I concur. I don't have trouble with all carbs. I developed issues with refined flour and sugary items at a certain point/age in my life. Once I switched to lower carb and learned how to eat low glycemic combinations I was fine.
It is a fallacy to assume everyone on low carb only eats meat and fat. I love potatoes and feel very satiated after eating them. But I leave the skin on and eat them with a protein and a vegetable to make them lower glycemic.
As a result of lowering carbs and upping healthy fats, I have been able to improve my health, vitality, and energy level. Incidentally I actually have bumped my daily maintenance calorie level UP about 300 calories without gaining weight because I feel better and have a higher TDEE than I did before.1 -
Chunkahlunkah wrote: »I feel the same way after eating something high in sugar, as a muffin is. I can completely relate to what you describe.
Your dinner combined protein, fiber, and possibly some fat with its carbs. That mitigated the carb impact on your blood sugar, so prevented a hunger increase.
I have to drink a glass of milk when eating a muffin or other pastry. The protein in the milk consistently prevents the post-sugar appetite increase.
I gain weight easily on a high carb diet and lose it easily when eating lowish carb. The bulk of that is likely due to CICO, but I suspect not all. I know many see current research as conclusive, but I think nutritional science is still understanding this topic.
Yes. Balancing the carbs with protein and fiber helps prevent that "fake" hunger cravings that happen to some people.
I lost weight initially on high carb but then plateaued for a long time. I tried to make it work for too long.
I'm soooo happy I found people on the MFP forums talking about macros. I researched it and played around with mine. It is wonderful that people are on here talking about their experiences and successes.
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Sweet foods make me hungry too. It could be the blood sugar spike may release hunger hormones? I don't know exactly but it happens to me too. If you just wait and drink some water it helps- and of course avoid high sugar foods.
Not sure if that's what carb sensitivity is but might be.0 -
I think my meals could be a but carb heavy and my snacks sweet, maybe just need to adjust my diet but not sure how?1
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I'm not sure what you mean by diabetic like symptoms, unless you mean hypoglycemia or reactive hypoglycemia (which some with IR experience) which includes weakness, shaking, confusion and fatigue. If that is the case, ging low carb, and eating protein and fats with those carbs, will help.
Those with insulin resistance may refere to them selves are carb sensitive but it isn't a food sensitivity in the normal sense. It's more along the line of not being metabolically able to handle many carbs. Too many carbs raises blood glucose which will lead to health problems like organ damage.
You may want to join the Low Carber Daily MFP group if you think you need to reduce carbs. As someone pointed out, "As for carb sensitivity, I think it affects some people drastically and they are forced to join closed groups on MFP and Facebook." Meaning that you'll find a lot more support and knowledge there than here on the main boards where the idea that some people need to cut back on carbs for their health may not be accepted or understood. http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
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