Healthiest milk?
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »If you're not allergic to dairy then drink real milk, organic whole and unprocessed milk from a source where the animals are well looked after. Its good for you and your children and has the best calcium content compared to any other man made milk alternative. Anything that has undergone that kind of processing to be turned into a milk I personally feel is not healthy.
Do you know how nutmilks are made? Have you ever made them yourself? It's not really that much of a "process".
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2015/oct/21/almond-milk-quite-good-for-you-very-bad-for-the-planet
Ah, so you are saying people shouldn't eat almonds.
You realize that has nothing to do with the processing nonsense, right?
(As for the processing, if you are incapable of realizing that nutmilks are easy to make at home can't help you. If you want to discuss specific ingredients -- which aren't going to be in all store-bought nutmilks, I would imagine -- why not post something credible about that ingredient for discussion. Mass linking isn't discussion, especially given the scattershot approach.)3 -
If you're not allergic to dairy then drink real milk, organic whole and unprocessed milk from a source where the animals are well looked after. Its good for you and your children and has the best calcium content compared to any other man made milk alternative. Anything that has undergone that kind of processing to be turned into a milk I personally feel is not healthy.
That is definitely an opinion but not really factual. Also, many nut based milks are fortified with calcium, often in greater quantities than cows milk.
Personally, I drink skim or 1% because whole milk taste like someone threw up in my milk. And the only good almond/soy milk that I find good are the flavored ones and at that point, it's not worth it because cows milk has more protein.
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/coconut-and-almond-milk-in-cartons-not-a-healthy-buy/
http://markitonutrition.com/warning-harmful-chemicals-in-almond-milk/
Do you have anything from the actual scientific community because these are all just blogs that fear monger?
The websites that you are quoting are from people who aren't scientist let along even educated in the field. Neither has a degree in anything science.
do you?! you'll find an additive Carrageenan in them and this is under review for links to bowel cancer and other digestive issues https://www.cornucopia.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CarageenanReport-2016.pdf0 -
this is even in the organic brands0
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No, carrageenan is not in all nutmilks. (I also don't buy that it's bad for you, and that site is not reliable, but let's be accurate.)6
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If you're not allergic to dairy then drink real milk, organic whole and unprocessed milk from a source where the animals are well looked after. Its good for you and your children and has the best calcium content compared to any other man made milk alternative. Anything that has undergone that kind of processing to be turned into a milk I personally feel is not healthy.
That is definitely an opinion but not really factual. Also, many nut based milks are fortified with calcium, often in greater quantities than cows milk.
Personally, I drink skim or 1% because whole milk taste like someone threw up in my milk. And the only good almond/soy milk that I find good are the flavored ones and at that point, it's not worth it because cows milk has more protein.
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/coconut-and-almond-milk-in-cartons-not-a-healthy-buy/
http://markitonutrition.com/warning-harmful-chemicals-in-almond-milk/
Do you have anything from the actual scientific community because these are all just blogs that fear monger?
The websites that you are quoting are from people who aren't scientist let along even educated in the field. Neither has a degree in anything science.
do you?! you'll find an additive Carrageenan in them and this is under review for links to bowel cancer and other digestive issues https://www.cornucopia.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CarageenanReport-2016.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24467586
Dietary CGN [Carrageenan] has been shown to lack carcinogenic, tumor promoter, genotoxic, developmental, and reproductive effects in animal studies. CGN in infant formula has been shown to be safe in infant baboons and in an epidemiology study on human infants at current use levels
Also, you should understand that many brands are removing carrageenan from their products mainly over perceptions like yours. Even if science say something safe, companies will alter products based on what is profitable. It's why many are removing HFCS, aspartame, and much mure.5 -
If you're not allergic to dairy then drink real milk, organic whole and unprocessed milk from a source where the animals are well looked after. Its good for you and your children and has the best calcium content compared to any other man made milk alternative. Anything that has undergone that kind of processing to be turned into a milk I personally feel is not healthy.
That is definitely an opinion but not really factual. Also, many nut based milks are fortified with calcium, often in greater quantities than cows milk.
Personally, I drink skim or 1% because whole milk taste like someone threw up in my milk. And the only good almond/soy milk that I find good are the flavored ones and at that point, it's not worth it because cows milk has more protein.
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/coconut-and-almond-milk-in-cartons-not-a-healthy-buy/
http://markitonutrition.com/warning-harmful-chemicals-in-almond-milk/
Do you have anything from the actual scientific community because these are all just blogs that fear monger?
The websites that you are quoting are from people who aren't scientist let along even educated in the field. Neither has a degree in anything science.
do you?! you'll find an additive Carrageenan in them and this is under review for links to bowel cancer and other digestive issues https://www.cornucopia.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CarageenanReport-2016.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24467586
Dietary CGN [Carrageenan] has been shown to lack carcinogenic, tumor promoter, genotoxic, developmental, and reproductive effects in animal studies. CGN in infant formula has been shown to be safe in infant baboons and in an epidemiology study on human infants at current use levels
Also, you should understand that many brands are removing carrageenan from their products mainly over perceptions like yours. Even if science say something safe, companies will alter products based on what is profitable. It's why many are removing HFCS, aspartame, and much mure.
Isn't carageenan a natural product made from seaweed? How is this harmful?
FayeC, if you are really that terrified, you can make almond milk at home by putting almonds and water in a blender, then straining the mixture through a cloth. It's not magic. That's how you make hazelnut milk for hazelnut gelato too; toast hazelnuts, chop and blend with water, strain. Mix with cream and sugar and freeze. Yum.
Everything you buy in a shelf-stable box is quite likely more processed than the home version, but there is nothing inherently processed about nut milks, they are just nuts and water, blended and strained.
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If you're not allergic to dairy then drink real milk, organic whole and unprocessed milk from a source where the animals are well looked after. Its good for you and your children and has the best calcium content compared to any other man made milk alternative. Anything that has undergone that kind of processing to be turned into a milk I personally feel is not healthy.
That is definitely an opinion but not really factual. Also, many nut based milks are fortified with calcium, often in greater quantities than cows milk.
Personally, I drink skim or 1% because whole milk taste like someone threw up in my milk. And the only good almond/soy milk that I find good are the flavored ones and at that point, it's not worth it because cows milk has more protein.
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/coconut-and-almond-milk-in-cartons-not-a-healthy-buy/
http://markitonutrition.com/warning-harmful-chemicals-in-almond-milk/
Do you have anything from the actual scientific community because these are all just blogs that fear monger?
The websites that you are quoting are from people who aren't scientist let along even educated in the field. Neither has a degree in anything science.
do you?! you'll find an additive Carrageenan in them and this is under review for links to bowel cancer and other digestive issues https://www.cornucopia.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CarageenanReport-2016.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24467586
Dietary CGN [Carrageenan] has been shown to lack carcinogenic, tumor promoter, genotoxic, developmental, and reproductive effects in animal studies. CGN in infant formula has been shown to be safe in infant baboons and in an epidemiology study on human infants at current use levels
Also, you should understand that many brands are removing carrageenan from their products mainly over perceptions like yours. Even if science say something safe, companies will alter products based on what is profitable. It's why many are removing HFCS, aspartame, and much mure.
Isn't carageenan a natural product made from seaweed? How is this harmful?
FayeC, if you are really that terrified, you can make almond milk at home by putting almonds and water in a blender, then straining the mixture through a cloth. It's not magic. That's how you make hazelnut milk for hazelnut gelato too; toast hazelnuts, chop and blend with water, strain. Mix with cream and sugar and freeze. Yum.
Everything you buy in a shelf-stable box is quite likely more processed than the home version, but there is nothing inherently processed about nut milks, they are just nuts and water, blended and strained.
You are correct, it's derived from red seaweed.3 -
I drink raw milk, very healthy but has the usual milk sugar count which has to be accounted for.1
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Ditto to what mari5466 shared and for all the same reasons... except I use unsweetened vanilla almond (or cashew or a blend of coconut milk) in my cereal and just whole milk for coffee and tea. The nut milks are low cal and add great flavor in smoothies and cereal but prefer the full flavor for hot drinks.0
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One note about soy milk, it can cause toxicity for people with thyroid conditions. Many moons ago I got on a soy milk kick after a visit to New Zealand where I became a 'Flat White' coffee addict. Using soy milk in my latte was the closest thing I could find to emulate the flavor and I started feeling run down and started gaining weight. To energize myself I would drink more and more lattes until I put the two together. Stopping the soy stopped the problem.0
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How would one estimate calories in home made almond milk with nothing else added?
I'd take the whole calories of the almonds, even if that's sort of an overestimation, as I think most of the fat comes into the milk (that's why it tastes good) and most of what's left behind is the fiber. Calories in almonds = the calories in the almond milk, then divide into servings.0 -
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How would one estimate calories in home made almond milk with nothing else added?
I'd take the whole calories of the almonds, even if that's sort of an overestimation, as I think most of the fat comes into the milk (that's why it tastes good) and most of what's left behind is the fiber. Calories in almonds = the calories in the almond milk, then divide into servings.
I've looked a bit for an estimate. With the store-bought stuff there seems to be a lot of the fat that doesn't go in, but maybe it's just the amount of water to nut. It's one reason I like cashew milk for my homemade option, because the way I make it you just include all the cashews. (Also, super easy.) Higher cal than the store-bought stuff, though.0 -
do you?! you'll find an additive Carrageenan in them and this is under review for links to bowel cancer and other digestive issues https://www.cornucopia.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CarageenanReport-2016.pdf
An alternative viewpoint from a vegan health food store in California:
http://followyourheart.com/is-carrageenan-safe/
Know what? I'm 69 years old, I've seen this kind of dietary back and forth going on since I was a kid, and I really don't care. We're all going to die of something -- and as a guy with cardiac and cancer problems, carrageenan is the least of my worries at this point. To be blunt: I really don't care.8 -
I might be biased but whatever milk has the lowest amount of sugar. Raw milk is the absolute best, but not a lot of states allow it to be sold. It has all the beneficial bacteria in it that is REALLY good for your gut health. It's loaded with vitamins and minerals.
https://draxe.com/raw-milk-benefits/
Next best might be whole milk with no added sweeteners or sugars, at least you're getting some fat out of it that will help curb your appetite.
I use almond milk because it's low carb and it has lots of calcium.0 -
I might be biased but whatever milk has the lowest amount of sugar. Raw milk is the absolute best, but not a lot of states allow it to be sold. It has all the beneficial bacteria in it that is REALLY good for your gut health. It's loaded with vitamins and minerals.
https://draxe.com/raw-milk-benefits/
Next best might be whole milk with no added sweeteners or sugars, at least you're getting some fat out of it that will help curb your appetite.
I use almond milk because it's low carb and it has lots of calcium.
Only sweetened milks (like vanilla, chocolate, etc..) have added sugar. All cow's milks should roughly have the same amount of sugars since it's all natural lactose.5 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »If you're not allergic to dairy then drink real milk, organic whole and unprocessed milk from a source where the animals are well looked after. Its good for you and your children and has the best calcium content compared to any other man made milk alternative. Anything that has undergone that kind of processing to be turned into a milk I personally feel is not healthy.
Do you know how nutmilks are made? Have you ever made them yourself? It's not really that much of a "process".
really.....
http://markitonutrition.com/warning-harmful-chemicals-in-almond-milk/
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/coconut-and-almond-milk-in-cartons-not-a-healthy-buy/
Fearmongering blog posts.
Not a reputable source in sight.
*golf clap*2 -
Almond milk is my favorite, but whole milk when it comes to dairy. I don't consume dairy, but a milk with a percentage grosses me the eff out. What's the other 98% or 99%. Nasty.0
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I personally use unsweetened almond milk if I need a little extra creaminess in my breakfast shakes. Almond Breeze is just 30 calories per 8oz serving, 2.5g fat, 2g carbs (0 sugar), and 1g protein. When added to a protein shake, it doesn't add too many extra calories. Regular milk will have higher protein but that also comes with higher calories, fat, and more sugars. It just depends on what you're trying to work towards and what your macro goals are. Everyone is different.0
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The percentage just refers to the percent of milkfat. Whole milk averages 3.7%. 1% and 2% milk is just whole milk with some of the milkfat remove. The other 98-99% is the exact same stuff that's in the other 96.3% of whole milk (water, proteins, sugars).roamingtiger wrote: »Almond milk is my favorite, but whole milk when it comes to dairy. I don't consume dairy, but a milk with a percentage grosses me the eff out. What's the other 98% or 99%. Nasty.2 -
The_Enginerd wrote: »
The percentage just refers to the percent of milkfat. Whole milk averages 3.7%. 1% and 2% milk is just whole milk with some of the milkfat remove. The other 98-99% is the exact same stuff that's in the other 96.3% of whole milk (water, proteins, sugars).roamingtiger wrote: »Almond milk is my favorite, but whole milk when it comes to dairy. I don't consume dairy, but a milk with a percentage grosses me the eff out. What's the other 98% or 99%. Nasty.
Ahhh I see.0 -
I hate the texture of milk, regardless of what kind, so I just use water for everything-for my oats, smoothies etc etc. It really doesn't make much of a difference in taste and it saves me a few calories.0
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If you don't like it then why add it? It is just unnecessary calories! Mix your shakes with water and save 100-500 calories.1
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lemurcat12 wrote: »How would one estimate calories in home made almond milk with nothing else added?
I'd take the whole calories of the almonds, even if that's sort of an overestimation, as I think most of the fat comes into the milk (that's why it tastes good) and most of what's left behind is the fiber. Calories in almonds = the calories in the almond milk, then divide into servings.
I've looked a bit for an estimate. With the store-bought stuff there seems to be a lot of the fat that doesn't go in, but maybe it's just the amount of water to nut. It's one reason I like cashew milk for my homemade option, because the way I make it you just include all the cashews. (Also, super easy.) Higher cal than the store-bought stuff, though.
Seriously???!?!?!
Calories in a cup (140g) of almonds = 830cal
Calories in 4-5 cups of water = 0
Assuming this will make 4 x 1 cup servings, calories per serving (cup of milk) = ~200cal no way.
A lot of websites I found show calories in home made almond milk at 30-50 / cup with the same ratios of water to nuts. This is nuts if true haha. But ohhhhhhhhhh so much better than store bought
Here's a piece about it, but I agree with the commenters that the pulp strained out lacks most of the fat so can't really be subtracted.
http://smallbites.andybellatti.com/you-ask-i-answer-nutritional-content-of-almond-milk/
If you want to lower the calories, just use more water! (I think this is why much of the commercial stuff is so low, it's basically flavored water. The New Barn, which is by far my favorite of the commercial almond milks I've tried is 90 calories per cup (unsweetened, of course). This makes more sense to me than the 30 cal ones.)0 -
If you're not allergic to dairy then drink real milk, organic whole and unprocessed milk from a source where the animals are well looked after. Its good for you and your children and has the best calcium content compared to any other man made milk alternative. Anything that has undergone that kind of processing to be turned into a milk I personally feel is not healthy.
That is definitely an opinion but not really factual. Also, many nut based milks are fortified with calcium, often in greater quantities than cows milk.
Personally, I drink skim or 1% because whole milk taste like someone threw up in my milk. And the only good almond/soy milk that I find good are the flavored ones and at that point, it's not worth it because cows milk has more protein.
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/coconut-and-almond-milk-in-cartons-not-a-healthy-buy/
http://markitonutrition.com/warning-harmful-chemicals-in-almond-milk/
Do you have anything from the actual scientific community because these are all just blogs that fear monger?
The websites that you are quoting are from people who aren't scientist let along even educated in the field. Neither has a degree in anything science.
do you?! you'll find an additive Carrageenan in them and this is under review for links to bowel cancer and other digestive issues https://www.cornucopia.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/CarageenanReport-2016.pdf
If you're worried about carrageenan (which I'm not), you can easily find almond milk without it. Califia Farms (available in many stores in the US) doesn't have it. And you can make your own. So why should someone totally avoid almond milk due to an additive (which isn't proven unsafe) that one can easily avoid?2 -
I wouldn't really define 'healthy food' as 'food low in carbs, fats and calories'. I think that's quite a wrong view on what 'healthy' means.
However, I'd stick with vegetable milks - preferably unsweetened and organic.
- They generally contain less fats and calories than normal milks
- No pesticide or hormone residues
- Less effect on your blood-sugar
- Who knows, you might just be sparing one cow the pain of being mechanically sucked dry for some minutes, standing in their own fecal matter most, if not all, of its life, and later being thrown out as trash when they no longer deliver - but I suppose those are the things that nobody wants to hear about.
- It will, however, cost you more.
- If you really want to go for actual milk, I'd try getting fresh milk from a local farm; I consider the store-bought milk an unhealthy option0 -
Hemp milk0
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governatorkp wrote: »I wouldn't really define 'healthy food' as 'food low in carbs, fats and calories'. I think that's quite a wrong view on what 'healthy' means.
However, I'd stick with vegetable milks - preferably unsweetened and organic.
- They generally contain less fats and calories than normal milks
- No pesticide or hormone residues
- Less effect on your blood-sugar
- Who knows, you might just be sparing one cow the pain of being mechanically sucked dry for some minutes, standing in their own fecal matter most, if not all, of its life, and later being thrown out as trash when they no longer deliver - but I suppose those are the things that nobody wants to hear about.
- It will, however, cost you more.
- If you really want to go for actual milk, I'd try getting fresh milk from a local farm; I consider the store-bought milk an unhealthy option
What about purchasing it in a specific location makes a food unhealthy?1 -
If I'm drinking a glass of milk, I want ice cold whole milk. I don't drink it much though because my stomach doesn't handle it so well.
For my shakes, oatmeal, etc. I use an array of non-dairy milks. One of my favorite choices right now is Almond Breeze Unsweetened Chocolate Almond Milk. It is great in coffee with some stevia and I like it to add a chocolate flavor without extra sweetness to protein shakes (most are too sweet for me).
As far as any health/nutritional benefits (calcium, vitamin D, etc.), there are a abundance of other sources to get these nutrients.0 -
governatorkp wrote: »I wouldn't really define 'healthy food' as 'food low in carbs, fats and calories'. I think that's quite a wrong view on what 'healthy' means.
However, I'd stick with vegetable milks - preferably unsweetened and organic.
- They generally contain less fats and calories than normal milks
- No pesticide or hormone residues
- Less effect on your blood-sugar
- Who knows, you might just be sparing one cow the pain of being mechanically sucked dry for some minutes, standing in their own fecal matter most, if not all, of its life, and later being thrown out as trash when they no longer deliver - but I suppose those are the things that nobody wants to hear about.
- It will, however, cost you more.
- If you really want to go for actual milk, I'd try getting fresh milk from a local farm; I consider the store-bought milk an unhealthy option
Most of the time if you ask someone what they mean by 'healthy' on these boards, they can't really explain what they're looking for. I'm not sure, then, why those things would be a wrong view, especially in terms of weight loss. 'Healthy' really is kind of meaningless.
For the record, though, I also tend to prefer the local/farm purchased options myself, as I notice the flavor and quality is better, not unlike buying local vegetables in season. Doesn't necessarily mean that the store versions are unhealthy.0
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