You are not just "weak" or "lazy". Food can be an ADDICTION.

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  • Verity1111
    Verity1111 Posts: 3,309 Member
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    singingflutelady wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    I agree, OP. Some people lack empathy and live in their own egocentric little bubble where they can't, or won't, put themselves out to help others.

    I have alcoholic friends. I don't drink in front of them or serve wine if they are over. I try to not make it harder for them.

    I have a son who is allergic to tree nuts. I don't add them to baking and expect him to skip it because I wanted nuts.

    My in-laws are vegetarians. I don't make them eat my omnivorous low carb diet when they come over.

    I'm a celiac. My sister in law doesn't put the stuffing in the turkey at thanksgiving so I can still has some. She also checks with me on ingredients and lets me bring some desserts.

    I think you've basically got it right. People who make it harder for others either don't care, are oblivious, or are self centered.

    Though at the same time I don't place my restrictions on everyone else. I have crohn's and have tons of food restrictions and my friends are good with making low fiber, no raw vegetables or fruit, no whole grains, no red meat, no spice, no lactose options for me but I don't make a big deal if they eat a salad and a steak at the same time even though I would kill to have either one of those.

    But again this isnt about you being at their place or something. Its about them refusing to do anything but go out to eat or bringing it to your place and not because you are allergic or something but because you have an addiction to it. Theres a difference. I would not expect them to accommodate in their own home, but they could accomidate if they go to their friend's home or if they're hanging out by not insisting on ordering fast food.
  • Verity1111
    Verity1111 Posts: 3,309 Member
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    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    singingflutelady wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    I agree, OP. Some people lack empathy and live in their own egocentric little bubble where they can't, or won't, put themselves out to help others.

    I have alcoholic friends. I don't drink in front of them or serve wine if they are over. I try to not make it harder for them.

    I have a son who is allergic to tree nuts. I don't add them to baking and expect him to skip it because I wanted nuts.

    My in-laws are vegetarians. I don't make them eat my omnivorous low carb diet when they come over.

    I'm a celiac. My sister in law doesn't put the stuffing in the turkey at thanksgiving so I can still has some. She also checks with me on ingredients and lets me bring some desserts.

    I think you've basically got it right. People who make it harder for others either don't care, are oblivious, or are self centered.

    Though at the same time I don't place my restrictions on everyone else. I have crohn's and have tons of food restrictions and my friends are good with making low fiber, no raw vegetables or fruit, no whole grains, no red meat, no spice, no lactose options for me but I don't make a big deal if they eat a salad and a steak at the same time even though I would kill to have either one of those.

    This. Heck, I cook meat and gluten for the rest of my family.

    I don't expect the world to revolve around me.

    If you don't expect the world to revolve around you, then you'd agree with this original post. It's about people expecting their friends who are dieting to go out to eat or to allow fast food in their own home. Not about them expecting their friends to limit themselves when they go to their house. There's a big difference. Their home, their rules.
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    edited October 2016
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    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    cerise_noir wrote: »
    zyxst wrote: »
    As someone with a drug addiction, I'm in for the lulz.
    601.gif

    And, as someone who has years of experience with what actual drugs can do to people first hand, as well as on a personal level...
    I get ya.

    Pass that popcorn. <3

    Whoever has control of the kettle popper, please keep the kettle going and I need extra butter. <3:)

    I'm a verified popcorn addict. I eat it every night. Pass some this way. I had my bowlful tonight (white cheddar instead of my usual kettle corn). So I'll settle for some virtual stuff before bed.
  • Therealobi1
    Therealobi1 Posts: 3,261 Member
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    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    Therealobi1 wrote: »
    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    cerise_noir wrote: »
    zyxst wrote: »
    As someone with a drug addiction, I'm in for the lulz.
    601.gif

    And, as someone who has years of experience with what actual drugs can do to people first hand, as well as on a personal level...
    I get ya.

    Pass that popcorn. <3

    Whoever has control of the kettle popper, please keep the kettle going and I need extra butter. <3:)

    I think it's quite inappropriate in this post to eat popcorn

    How about Cheetos?

    Mmh. thinking more of a box of kale
  • Verity1111
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    snickerscharlie wrote: »
    Puppybear1 wrote: »
    Sugar is a drug. And just like alcoholics, some people have genetic predispositions for addiction, ie - diabetics. I have been preaching this topic for a week and fending off the shade I get for comparing sugar to drugs, but it IS a drug, or food companies wouldn't put it in practically everything! Kudos to the Enlightened!

    Sugar isn't a drug. It's just sugar.

    It is very similar to a drug.
  • Verity1111
    Verity1111 Posts: 3,309 Member
    edited October 2016
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    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    Verity1111 wrote: »
    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    FYI, rat studies don't always transfer to humans.

    The current standing on the addictive nature of sugar as a substance is still up in the air as far as science is concerned. Right now, as it stands, research on humans doesn't shows that there's not enough evidence to call it addictive.

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00394-016-1229-6

    Furthermore, a review of all the research shows that a lot of the thinking was leaning more towards people like your 700 pound friend having what could be an addiction to eating itself, and that type of addiction would be a behavioral issue like gambling or sex.

    It should also be noted that in that review, very few people would qualify for this diagnosis. I'd also think that if a person is truly addicted to eating itself, the type of food wouldn't really matter. Pizza, donuts, or lentil soup... food would be food to them. I doubt that true eating addicts would be as morbidly obese as those you see on TLC shows, but they would still eat uncontrollably of whatever food they could get their hands on.

    And no because my 700lb friend doesnt have an addiction to salad or hot dogs. Addiction to fast food or certain foods not to all food. Most people are not addicted to things they dont enjoy in some way.

    He's not addicted to those foods. He's got a behavioral problem with food in general.

    Were he to have lived in a time before fast food chains, you'd better believe he'd be chowing down on mutton stew if he had the same issue.

    You're missing the point I'm making. It's not the food itself. It's the behavior.

    Addictions to substances will cause the addicted person to accept a substitute that will do. Alcoholics will drink some unsavory things just to get a buzz. It has nothing to do with enjoyment. Were you friend totally addicted to fast food, he'd eat stuff he hated just to get a fix.

    Okay an addiction IS a behavioral problem

    ad·dic·tion
    əˈdikSH(ə)n/
    noun
    the fact or condition of being addicted to a particular substance, thing, or activity.
    "he committed the theft to finance his drug addiction"
    synonyms: dependency, dependence, habit, problem More

    Can food be an addiction?
    Experiments in animals and humans show that, for some people, the same reward and pleasure centers of the brain that are triggered by addictive drugs like cocaine and heroin are also activated by food, especially highly palatable foods. Highly palatable foods are foods rich in: Sugar. Fat.

    Not eating, food. Specific foods.
  • kbmh611
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    singingflutelady wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    I agree, OP. Some people lack empathy and live in their own egocentric little bubble where they can't, or won't, put themselves out to help others.

    I have alcoholic friends. I don't drink in front of them or serve wine if they are over. I try to not make it harder for them.

    I have a son who is allergic to tree nuts. I don't add them to baking and expect him to skip it because I wanted nuts.

    My in-laws are vegetarians. I don't make them eat my omnivorous low carb diet when they come over.

    I'm a celiac. My sister in law doesn't put the stuffing in the turkey at thanksgiving so I can still has some. She also checks with me on ingredients and lets me bring some desserts.

    I think you've basically got it right. People who make it harder for others either don't care, are oblivious, or are self centered.

    Though at the same time I don't place my restrictions on everyone else. I have crohn's and have tons of food restrictions and my friends are good with making low fiber, no raw vegetables or fruit, no whole grains, no red meat, no spice, no lactose options for me but I don't make a big deal if they eat a salad and a steak at the same time even though I would kill to have either one of those.

    I do agree with this. You cant expect people to diet with you. I have a co-worker who sits next to me and she orders all kind of high calorie foods for lunch, but I wouldn't expect her to go eat it in another room or for me to leave the room. What would you do if you go to a party at someone's house? Would you expect them to make their catering decisions based on your eating habits?

  • Verity1111
    Verity1111 Posts: 3,309 Member
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    Therealobi1 wrote: »
    kbmh611 wrote: »
    Therealobi1 wrote: »
    kbmh611 wrote: »
    Thank you! This is what I've tried saying on here many times. I hate when some people on here say "there is no bad food," "food shouldn't be vilified," "you can eat what you want in moderation so nothing should be off limits." Yeah...maybe for some people, but not all. If moderation, self control, and heathy eating habits were practiced by everyone there wouldn't be sooo many people very heavily overweight and on here looking for help. Everyone can have their opinions about food, but what I'm opposed to is the people posting on these boards who say these things and say them so matter-of-factly like anyone would be uneducated and ridiculous to think otherwise. As a fat person, let me share with you my mindset about why I deem some foods as bad. There are many things that I could not stop myself from eating only one or two of to stay under my daily calories. And I don't just want "a taste." Because for me there is no such thing. So for my diet I will avoid them all together or only have them as a treat once in a blue moon or I'll find a substitute. I don't feel like I'm refusing myself anything...before you give me that blah, blah excuse about how my diet will fail if I ban foods yadda, yadda. My dieting has been working fairly well so far and I don't feel deprived. I'm down 27 pounds since 4th of July. And I'm feeling good about it. So when people ask questions about the nutritional value or calories of one food over the other be mindful that they might not have the self control you have and don't consider every food an option for their dieting success.

    Just because some people cant eat food in moderation doesn't make the food bad. I can't eat biscuits in moderation but the biscuit isn't bad it's delicious

    Sorry, but you're missing my point. I'm saying that the food is bad in my mind because I can't eat it regularly or have as many as I want because it would tank my diet. I was explaining the mindset that supports some people deeming certain foods as bad. I would wager that there are many overweight people that operate with that same mindset. Again, not saying everybody.

    Lots of people of all sizes share that oppinion, the problem is sharing that mindset and when someone eats the said bad food and then thinks they are doomed. You see such posts all the time which is I why I don't think labelling food like that is helpful

    That's not what we mean by "bad" food. I get that. I mean addictive for the individual. No food is going to keep you from losing weight...but if you're addicted to the point that if you don't eat it and have to watch someone else you literally will cry or physically have pain or discomfort until you eat the food then you are addicted. Then it's a bad food especially because you will likely indulge way too much. Plus, like any addiction, if you have a little you likely will just crave more. This is why there's no bad food for everyone that will just make or break your diet, but there are bad foods for specific people.
  • kbmh611
    kbmh611 Posts: 110 Member
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    Therealobi1 wrote: »
    kbmh611 wrote: »
    Therealobi1 wrote: »
    kbmh611 wrote: »
    Thank you! This is what I've tried saying on here many times. I hate when some people on here say "there is no bad food," "food shouldn't be vilified," "you can eat what you want in moderation so nothing should be off limits." Yeah...maybe for some people, but not all. If moderation, self control, and heathy eating habits were practiced by everyone there wouldn't be sooo many people very heavily overweight and on here looking for help. Everyone can have their opinions about food, but what I'm opposed to is the people posting on these boards who say these things and say them so matter-of-factly like anyone would be uneducated and ridiculous to think otherwise. As a fat person, let me share with you my mindset about why I deem some foods as bad. There are many things that I could not stop myself from eating only one or two of to stay under my daily calories. And I don't just want "a taste." Because for me there is no such thing. So for my diet I will avoid them all together or only have them as a treat once in a blue moon or I'll find a substitute. I don't feel like I'm refusing myself anything...before you give me that blah, blah excuse about how my diet will fail if I ban foods yadda, yadda. My dieting has been working fairly well so far and I don't feel deprived. I'm down 27 pounds since 4th of July. And I'm feeling good about it. So when people ask questions about the nutritional value or calories of one food over the other be mindful that they might not have the self control you have and don't consider every food an option for their dieting success.

    Just because some people cant eat food in moderation doesn't make the food bad. I can't eat biscuits in moderation but the biscuit isn't bad it's delicious

    Sorry, but you're missing my point. I'm saying that the food is bad in my mind because I can't eat it regularly or have as many as I want because it would tank my diet. I was explaining the mindset that supports some people deeming certain foods as bad. I would wager that there are many overweight people that operate with that same mindset. Again, not saying everybody.

    Lots of people of all sizes share that oppinion, the problem is sharing that mindset and when someone eats the said bad food and then thinks they are doomed. You see such posts all the time which is I why I don't think labelling food like that is helpful

    So you agree that many people have that mindset but calling food bad in a post on here is not helpful? If lots of people think that way, I'm just putting into words that mindset/feelings for some people about food. It sounds like it's all just a mind game. Maybe people who refuse to deem certain foods "bad" worry that allowing themselves to label foods as such might tank their diet and they will feel guilty. Idk, just a guess. Everyone has different reasons.

  • Verity1111
    Verity1111 Posts: 3,309 Member
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    singingflutelady wrote: »
    Verity1111 wrote: »
    snickerscharlie wrote: »
    Puppybear1 wrote: »
    Sugar is a drug. And just like alcoholics, some people have genetic predispositions for addiction, ie - diabetics. I have been preaching this topic for a week and fending off the shade I get for comparing sugar to drugs, but it IS a drug, or food companies wouldn't put it in practically everything! Kudos to the Enlightened!

    Sugar isn't a drug. It's just sugar.

    It is very similar to a drug.

    I guess puppies, laughter, enjoyment, fun are also addictive since they also activate the pleasure part of our brains just like sugar (if you like sugar)
    uh no. Youre wrong. Those things do NOT affect us the same. You're obviously no medical, neuropsychology or neurobiology major...

    I doubt people can't stop petting puppies. Also, I can't stand furry pets. So how is that activating anything?

    "A highly cited study in the journal Neuroscience & Biobehavioral Reviews found that sugar—as pervasive as it is—meets the criteria for a substance of abuse and may be addictive to those who binge on it. It does this by affecting the chemistry of the limbic system, the part of the brain that’s associated with emotional control."
    The study found that “intermittent access to sugar can lead to behavioral and neurochemical changes that resemble the effects of a substance of abuse.”

    Puppies do not do that. Unless maybe you digest the puppies?

    Literally putting things in your body and digesting them is not the same as an external action.

    "Doing drugs such as cocaine and eating too much junk food both gradually overload the so-called pleasure centers in the brain, according to Paul J. Kenny, Ph.D., an associate professor of molecular therapeutics at the Scripps Research Institute, in Jupiter, Florida. Eventually the pleasure centers "crash," and achieving the same pleasure--or even just feeling normal--requires increasing amounts of the drug or food, says Kenny, the lead author of the study."
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/03/28/fatty.foods.brain/
  • Therealobi1
    Therealobi1 Posts: 3,261 Member
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    kbmh611 wrote: »
    Therealobi1 wrote: »
    kbmh611 wrote: »
    Therealobi1 wrote: »
    kbmh611 wrote: »
    Thank you! This is what I've tried saying on here many times. I hate when some people on here say "there is no bad food," "food shouldn't be vilified," "you can eat what you want in moderation so nothing should be off limits." Yeah...maybe for some people, but not all. If moderation, self control, and heathy eating habits were practiced by everyone there wouldn't be sooo many people very heavily overweight and on here looking for help. Everyone can have their opinions about food, but what I'm opposed to is the people posting on these boards who say these things and say them so matter-of-factly like anyone would be uneducated and ridiculous to think otherwise. As a fat person, let me share with you my mindset about why I deem some foods as bad. There are many things that I could not stop myself from eating only one or two of to stay under my daily calories. And I don't just want "a taste." Because for me there is no such thing. So for my diet I will avoid them all together or only have them as a treat once in a blue moon or I'll find a substitute. I don't feel like I'm refusing myself anything...before you give me that blah, blah excuse about how my diet will fail if I ban foods yadda, yadda. My dieting has been working fairly well so far and I don't feel deprived. I'm down 27 pounds since 4th of July. And I'm feeling good about it. So when people ask questions about the nutritional value or calories of one food over the other be mindful that they might not have the self control you have and don't consider every food an option for their dieting success.

    Just because some people cant eat food in moderation doesn't make the food bad. I can't eat biscuits in moderation but the biscuit isn't bad it's delicious

    Sorry, but you're missing my point. I'm saying that the food is bad in my mind because I can't eat it regularly or have as many as I want because it would tank my diet. I was explaining the mindset that supports some people deeming certain foods as bad. I would wager that there are many overweight people that operate with that same mindset. Again, not saying everybody.

    Lots of people of all sizes share that oppinion, the problem is sharing that mindset and when someone eats the said bad food and then thinks they are doomed. You see such posts all the time which is I why I don't think labelling food like that is helpful

    So you agree that many people have that mindset but calling food bad in a post on here is not helpful? If lots of people think that way, I'm just putting into words that mindset/feelings for some people about food. It sounds like it's all just a mind game. Maybe people who refuse to deem certain foods "bad" worry that allowing themselves to label foods as such might tank their diet and they will feel guilty. Idk, just a guess. Everyone has different reasons.

    You should never feel guilty eating food, I just don't think it's healthy.
    If you mess up keep on going
  • Verity1111
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    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    Verity1111 wrote: »
    GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
    singingflutelady wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    I agree, OP. Some people lack empathy and live in their own egocentric little bubble where they can't, or won't, put themselves out to help others.

    I have alcoholic friends. I don't drink in front of them or serve wine if they are over. I try to not make it harder for them.

    I have a son who is allergic to tree nuts. I don't add them to baking and expect him to skip it because I wanted nuts.

    My in-laws are vegetarians. I don't make them eat my omnivorous low carb diet when they come over.

    I'm a celiac. My sister in law doesn't put the stuffing in the turkey at thanksgiving so I can still has some. She also checks with me on ingredients and lets me bring some desserts.

    I think you've basically got it right. People who make it harder for others either don't care, are oblivious, or are self centered.

    Though at the same time I don't place my restrictions on everyone else. I have crohn's and have tons of food restrictions and my friends are good with making low fiber, no raw vegetables or fruit, no whole grains, no red meat, no spice, no lactose options for me but I don't make a big deal if they eat a salad and a steak at the same time even though I would kill to have either one of those.

    This. Heck, I cook meat and gluten for the rest of my family.

    I don't expect the world to revolve around me.

    If you don't expect the world to revolve around you, then you'd agree with this original post. It's about people expecting their friends who are dieting to go out to eat or to allow fast food in their own home. Not about them expecting their friends to limit themselves when they go to their house. There's a big difference. Their home, their rules.

    Who are you to tell me what I should and shouldn't do?

    I already said they were jerks.

    Still doesn't mean your friend is addicted to food.

    If he was 700 pounds, I do believe he quite possibly has an eating addiction, though.

    Because if it's your friend's house it's their house. Have some respect? and who are you to tell your friend they must go out for fast food or they're a jerk? That's what I'm saying. That's the point of the post.

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