cycling friendly (concealed) holster
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Sig P238 in condition 1, and a Ruger SP101 I carry IWB currently.MeanderingMammal wrote: »any suggestions? All my go-to brands require a heavy duty belt, but that's not gonna work with exercise clothing.
Have a compact (p238.)
Considered top bar bag, but it feels like a bad idea in general.
A light amount of printing is OK. A shell would be nice.
Material questions here would be what type of threat you're intending to defend against, and what sort of riding you do, and whether you're riding with someone else who will be delivering supporting fire?
Also, what sort of notice you're likely to need to use it, noting that you're not carrying in the ready state. My personal pistol is a Sigg229 which uses a de-cocking, rather than a safety. That's fine in a covert set-up but not for something like riding.
What are your preferences in terms of carrying already? There is little point in recommending something that sits on the chest if you're not comfortable with that, equally I wouldn't recommend something at the high port if you're on a road bike.
It's tough - the ruger is an anchor. But I'd prefer my .357 wheelgun to a .380 SA when dealing with 4 legged predators.
I ride solo.
With that in mind if veer towards something on the frame. If you're thinking something four legged that a pistol will help with then that would be more accessible than anything body mounted.2 -
Just wanted to express my great respect for the author of the OP ... has only responded to the posters that have offered helpful suggestions. I feel like I've learned something here today.11
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I have a question if you guys/girls dont mind.
As an english person the whole concept of carrying a weapon with me while out on a bike or running seems totally alien but that's irrelevant.
From a purely ease of access point of view where would you wear a belt such as the one thats pictured further up the thread? I will always wear on the bike bib shorts/leggings and cycle jersey with however many layers are needed on top according to the conditions. The cycling jerseys have the usual 3 pockets and they are stuffed with food, puncture kit, wallets, phone keys no maybe a rain cape.
Assuming you wear that belt concealed under the jersey you would end up with all that stuff on top of the gun or guns. Would that not make them a pain to get to in a hurry if you needed to which kind of in my eyes defeats the object? You can hardly stop and say 'just one second' to the attacker/wild animal thats approaching meaning you need to get to them. Add to that most cycling gloves in the winter I would imagine make operating the safety and pulling the trigger even more of a nightmare?
Surely if the above is the case in all but the most extreme situations using the bike you're on to simply ride away would be the preferred choice?
Anyone who is licensed to carry concealed in the US has been taught that if it is possible to get away without drawing and still have an acceptable outcome, then that is what you are bound to do.
And yes, part of the challenge of carrying concealed is to do it in a way that is invisible to others yet still easily accessible to you. There is still a point to carrying if it takes you a few minutes to draw (not all incidences require Quick Draw McGraw), but you don't want that limitation if you can avoid it.5 -
I usually carry under two layers. The draw is two handed-- One hand pulls and holds/retains all layers of clothing while the other hand draws.
Cold here is relative too. So no bulky gloves are ever worn.
And I can't imagine a scenario where drawing (let alone firing) from a moving bicycle could ever have a good outcome.
Riding away from a nasty but slow varmint is much better than spending an hour in front of a Sheriffs panel, explaining why you unleashed hell on a rattlesnake.
Fair enough. Thanks for answering I wish it didn't get so cold here that we could get away with thin winter gloves but i'm in full heavy duty thermal gloves as the temps are dropping past freezing rapidly.0 -
NorthCascades wrote: »Add to that most cycling gloves in the winter I would imagine make operating the safety and pulling the trigger even more of a nightmare?
It's important to be able to get to your brakes instantly to control your bike. That limits how bulky gloves can be. Also, we're talking about cardiovascular exercise, it warms you up, so you don't want gloves made for, say, downhill skiing.
The gloves that work best for me on the bike are thin merino wool ones, 100 to 150 grams per square meter. Like a thin base layer, for your hands. They're enough warmth for 35 F and raining, but not too much. And they're very thin. I can control the brake and shifters with these, and use the touch screen on my phone and bike computer. I can light a candle in them.
As an experienced cyclist I can assure you I know all about the importance of proper cycling attire however I have zero experience with firearms beyond an afternoon of clay pigeon shooting and playing around with pellet rifles as a teenager hence the questions0 -
There is still a point to carrying if it takes you a few minutes to draw (not all incidences require Quick Draw McGraw), but you don't want that limitation if you can avoid it.
LOL!!
I was avoiding further comment as I watched this thread degenerate but I can't help but comment on this.
There is truly NO point in carrying if it's going to take you a "few minutes" to draw your weapon.
It would take less time than that to reach and load a firearm stored unloaded in the trunk of your car in a locked box (as is commonly required if you do not have a license to carry or transport a concealed firearm).
If your weapon is truly THAT inaccessible, just leave it at home. More than likely, you won't need it anyway. It would be quicker to just run (or, in this case, bike) away.
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@sgt1372 The great irony of "it would be quicker to just run away" is that we're talking about a person on a bike. 0
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I always carry MTB'ing. I sewed a side access pocket into the lower part of my hydration pack. I can reach back and draw with one hand. G27 usualy. For road riding bit tougher as the outline of the firearm is very clear in a jersey with my extra 50lbs of body weight. I have thought of modifying a tool "Wedge" style frame mounted carrier to have a velcro down side to access, but have not done it to date also the G27 is a chunk for road bike. Road riding I usualy do in groups so have not felt the escalated need to carry to build my road mount. However now with a G43 I might make that road holster it's my daily CW now.
BTW for MTB, I have practiced on a regular basis drawing and shooting: riding (side and front), standing with one pedal clipped in, laying on the ground (like I just crashed), standing with one hand on the bike etc. Remember to practice drawing and firing from any new holster or carry location.4 -
Do people who carry guns while biking feel the need to be armed when they go to the beach or go for a run? If so how does that work?0
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Do people who carry guns while biking feel the need to be armed when they go to the beach or go for a run? If so how does that work?
The same way--a holster. Or they put it in their bag but I always thought that was a little more risky (news about toddlers accidentally shooting people, etc). A lot of people concealed carry all the time, and biking or running isn't necessarily any different. For me it's not worth the hassle and I don't carry, but for some people it's important. Personal preference.3 -
A lot of people concealed carry all the time, and biking or running isn't necessarily any different. For me it's not worth the hassle and I don't carry, but for some people it's important. Personal preference.
This is generally my opinion as well. I don't carry 99% of the time but will if I think the circumstances justify the inconvenience and inherent liabilities to do so.
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Do people who carry guns while biking feel the need to be armed when they go to the beach or go for a run? If so how does that work?
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personally I would not carry a firearm on my bike. This doesn't mean I wouldn't carry because I do but there are times when I could be separated from my bike in the event of an accident or attack. If I were on the ground 20 feet away from my bike then having the gun attached to my body would be critical. Your state may have laws dictating where you can and can not carry on a bicycle. Here in Pennylvania I can open carry my pistol all day everywhere but the second I sit inside a car or put a jacket on then that pistol is considered concealed and a permit is required.
I wear a ruger lcp in a cheap leather holster from I think desantis that I've treated with a water sealer for leather boots to prevent some moisture. You will need to clean your firearm much more often with all the sweat.
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There is still a point to carrying if it takes you a few minutes to draw (not all incidences require Quick Draw McGraw), but you don't want that limitation if you can avoid it.
LOL!!
I was avoiding further comment as I watched this thread degenerate but I can't help but comment on this.
There is truly NO point in carrying if it's going to take you a "few minutes" to draw your weapon.
It would take less time than that to reach and load a firearm stored unloaded in the trunk of your car in a locked box (as is commonly required if you do not have a license to carry or transport a concealed firearm).
If your weapon is truly THAT inaccessible, just leave it at home. More than likely, you won't need it anyway. It would be quicker to just run (or, in this case, bike) away.
It takes more than a couple of minutes to get a firearm out of a locked box in your car unless you happen to already be stopped, or you have one of the systems that fits in easy arm's reach of the driver's seat. Otherwise, if the box is reachable at all while driving, and many installations are not, you have to reach the box and unlock it while trying to keep your eyes on the road. Then you have to load the thing, presuming your ammo is also readily accessible.
As far as whether there is a point to carrying if it takes a couple of minutes to draw, there are plenty of situations where you think you may need to draw but are not certain. That is when you access the firearm and move it to where you can draw the instant you are convinced it is needed.
Even when taken by complete surprise, there is the possibility you can buy yourself some time to access your gun using other self-defense tactics, though that is definitely more of a 'Hail Mary'.
And before you ask, no - I don't carry in such a way myself and never have. But if that were my only option to avoid landing myself in legal trouble due to an inappropriately visible firearm, I'd rather that than go without. I do enough of that as it is since it is illegal to carry at all anywhere on my company's property.1 -
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So many inventions/solutions are popping up as I read this thread. And not just about concealed gun holsters. May I ask the #1 question asked in the fitness forum? What is your goal? What do you want to shoot?1
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Do people who carry guns while biking feel the need to be armed when they go to the beach or go for a run? If so how does that work?
I personally do not carry, but I have thought about it many times over and spoken to several good friends who do carry on the bike. I am concerned for my wife as well while she is out on her rides. We both do a lot of cycling - and try to always remain on our guard and not tick off any motorists, or other trail users.
Some times "real life" makes you reconsider things.
This happened in our extended family back in 2000 when my cousin's daughter - who was age 19 at the time - went for one of her regular 9 am morning bike rides: http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Jill_Behrman
She was abducted and murdered on that ride. I am not saying carrying would have prevented it, but it does make me wonder at times, and causes me to consider the safety of myself as well as my wife while out cycling.
Therefore, I can understand a question such as the OP asked in this thread. There are ways to carry, and there are reasons based on where one lives and rides.9 -
I'd like to say thanks for starting this thread. While I don't bike, I do sometimes find myself out and about and wondering about better options for my concealed carry. Still haven't found a holster that I like (and I've tried few), but I continue to hear a lot recommending the 5.11 shirts, and really need to save up to get one or two of those. There have been a couple of other links posted that have been useful to me as well.
I would never do a rear holster because one of my law enforcement friends has told me that there are too many accidental discharges (in the law enforcement ranks, not even civilians) where guys have been shooting themselves as they reach for their weapon. He was a big proponent of ankle holsters, if you didn't want to do a shoulder holster, and wouldn't allow the folks in his office to purchase rear holsters. But your mileage may vary.
As a single female that also geocaches, I often find that I won't go out geocaching in certain locations because of the remoteness and the possibility of being alone (since I prefer to go out solo) and possibly in a situation where I do need to defend myself. I have carried my pistol in my backpack, but would prefer to wear my weapon for the various reasons mentioned above, but especially because I don't want to be separated from my weapon should I need it. As a Stand Up Paddleboarder, I often go out alone, but since I'm on salt water, I don't carry in that situation (yet), but I have been hearing of more and more issues with some boaters and fishermen harassing the other single girls...and unfortunately, they often have faster vessels than we do on our boards. While most of the boaters and fishermen I've run across have been stand up folks, I did have an issue with a couple of boaters just yesterday that kind of creeped me out. So, I'm starting to consider waterproof lock boxes at this point that I can put on my board...going to suck for access time, but I'm figuring after I break my paddle over someone's head, I'm going to need something else at the ready should it come to that.
And yes, we have that many jerks/pervs/idiots in the US, that single women (and apparently also men) exercising alone need to consider these types of options if they want to go out to get a workout in. We've even had issues in my town along a popular waterfront sidewalk on a very busy street where multiple women jogging in the early evening (just barely dark/twilight) have been getting attacked even with tons of people around. I want to say the last attack was actually in broad daylight, but I'd need to do a bit of research to verify. Frankly, it's why I almost never go out alone at night and am very cautious during the day. IMO, you can never be too safety conscious, especially if you are a solo exerciser.
So thanks for bringing up this discussion! I've been lurking because I've got little to contribute, but have appreciated the helpful responses to the OP.3 -
I'd like to say thanks for starting this thread. While I don't bike, I do sometimes find myself out and about and wondering about better options for my concealed carry. Still haven't found a holster that I like (and I've tried few), but I continue to hear a lot recommending the 5.11 shirts, and really need to save up to get one or two of those. There have been a couple of other links posted that have been useful to me as well.
I would never do a rear holster because one of my law enforcement friends has told me that there are too many accidental discharges (in the law enforcement ranks, not even civilians) where guys have been shooting themselves as they reach for their weapon. He was a big proponent of ankle holsters, if you didn't want to do a shoulder holster, and wouldn't allow the folks in his office to purchase rear holsters. But your mileage may vary.
As a single female that also geocaches, I often find that I won't go out geocaching in certain locations because of the remoteness and the possibility of being alone (since I prefer to go out solo) and possibly in a situation where I do need to defend myself. I have carried my pistol in my backpack, but would prefer to wear my weapon for the various reasons mentioned above, but especially because I don't want to be separated from my weapon should I need it. As a Stand Up Paddleboarder, I often go out alone, but since I'm on salt water, I don't carry in that situation (yet), but I have been hearing of more and more issues with some boaters and fishermen harassing the other single girls...and unfortunately, they often have faster vessels than we do on our boards. While most of the boaters and fishermen I've run across have been stand up folks, I did have an issue with a couple of boaters just yesterday that kind of creeped me out. So, I'm starting to consider waterproof lock boxes at this point that I can put on my board...going to suck for access time, but I'm figuring after I break my paddle over someone's head, I'm going to need something else at the ready should it come to that.
And yes, we have that many jerks/pervs/idiots in the US, that single women (and apparently also men) exercising alone need to consider these types of options if they want to go out to get a workout in. We've even had issues in my town along a popular waterfront sidewalk on a very busy street where multiple women jogging in the early evening (just barely dark/twilight) have been getting attacked even with tons of people around. I want to say the last attack was actually in broad daylight, but I'd need to do a bit of research to verify. Frankly, it's why I almost never go out alone at night and am very cautious during the day. IMO, you can never be too safety conscious, especially if you are a solo exerciser.
So thanks for bringing up this discussion! I've been lurking because I've got little to contribute, but have appreciated the helpful responses to the OP.
Seriously!? If the need to pack for paddle boarding or walking on the beach is your concern you need to get involved with your local government. Or indulge in confidence-building. Or both.2 -
any suggestions? All my go-to brands require a heavy duty belt, but that's not gonna work with exercise clothing.
Have a compact (p238.)
Considered top bar bag, but it feels like a bad idea in general.
A light amount of printing is OK. A shell would be nice.
Look at any of the concealment garments - NineLine, 5.11, UnderTech. I used to carry an underarm Galco shoulder rig while on a bike and heading to work. I'm particular to 5.11 as their quality is outstanding. Comfort is key, so make sure this is a garment and rig that moves with you.
Small of the back is fine - so issues there any more than other locations. Appendix carry is probably a bad idea on a bike.
I never recommend off the body carry - very bad idea.0 -
Thanks a bunch! I'll hit up the 5.11 store down the street this weekend. Haven't been there yet.
off-body has a few troubling issues. Like, what if i need to move it between them?0 -
Seriously!? If the need to pack for paddle boarding or walking on the beach is your concern you need to get involved with your local government. Or indulge in confidence-building. Or both.
Clearly carry is not for you. That is fine. However if others choose to do so responsibly, that is then their decision.
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Seriously!? If the need to pack for paddle boarding or walking on the beach is your concern you need to get involved with your local government. Or indulge in confidence-building. Or both.
Clearly carry is not for you. That is fine. However if others choose to do so responsibly, that is then their decision.
I believe in the right to bear arms. I also believe there are ways to not be the victim.
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Seriously!? If the need to pack for paddle boarding or walking on the beach is your concern you need to get involved with your local government. Or indulge in confidence-building. Or both.
Clearly carry is not for you. That is fine. However if others choose to do so responsibly, that is then their decision.
I believe in the right to bear arms. I also believe there are ways to not be the victim.
Any decent instruction will highlight this first - avoiding conflict is always the best defense. There are sometimes where situations arise where you simply cannot avoid this. In all my courses I spend the majority of time on situational awareness and scenario based training.5 -
Seriously!? If the need to pack for paddle boarding or walking on the beach is your concern you need to get involved with your local government. Or indulge in confidence-building. Or both.
Guess you don't live where I do. You shouldn't pass judgement on what you don't know. I would have never considered it before, but as I said, I've been hearing from more ladies who are currently getting harassed...all it takes is for one to go from being verbal to moving into the physical, and yes, my fun hobby is going to be spoiled.
You don't know me, but I can assure you I don't have confidence issues, and I don't feel the need to mock or knock others down in a public forum either.
I'm former military, but I'm also an older and smaller lady, so I know my physical limitations, especially when on something like a paddleboard...ie, no place to go, already takes balance just to stand there, not going to be able to get away from a faster boater, much less fend off an attack from a bunch of drunk or otherwise potentially deranged boaters. And like I said, once I break my paddle over at least one of their heads, I might like to have options when I'm in a situation where I can't expect help quickly. I refuse to be a victim, which is why I consider options like potentially carrying while I'm out paddling for a few miles and might not be near land or someone who could help me. Also, I know who I am, but I also know that some can see me as older, smaller, and a possible target. Trust me, I keep as far away from shady characters as possible, but once they spot you, sometimes they can get to you faster than you can get away from them. It's prudent to consider ALL options and not be stupid, even out on the water.3 -
So many inventions/solutions are popping up as I read this thread. And not just about concealed gun holsters. May I ask the #1 question asked in the fitness forum? What is your goal? What do you want to shoot?
If I may put in my .02
The goal of any responsible carrier is to preserve life. Yours and potentially others. Use of force should be metered with the utmost caution. No responsible carrier ever wants to shoot anything. This is a last resort when all other options have failed.4 -
You mentioned that it takes balance just to stand on a paddleboard; what's it like to shoot a gun from one?2
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Seriously!? If the need to pack for paddle boarding or walking on the beach is your concern you need to get involved with your local government. Or indulge in confidence-building. Or both.
Guess you don't live where I do. You shouldn't pass judgement on what you don't know. I would have never considered it before, but as I said, I've been hearing from more ladies who are currently getting harassed...all it takes is for one to go from being verbal to moving into the physical, and yes, my fun hobby is going to be spoiled.
You don't know me, but I can assure you I don't have confidence issues, and I don't feel the need to mock or knock others down in a public forum either.
I'm former military, but I'm also an older and smaller lady, so I know my physical limitations, especially when on something like a paddleboard...ie, no place to go, already takes balance just to stand there, not going to be able to get away from a faster boater, much less fend off an attack from a bunch of drunk or otherwise potentially deranged boaters. And like I said, once I break my paddle over at least one of their heads, I might like to have options when I'm in a situation where I can't expect help quickly. I refuse to be a victim, which is why I consider options like potentially carrying while I'm out paddling for a few miles and might not be near land or someone who could help me. Also, I know who I am, but I also know that some can see me as older, smaller, and a possible target. Trust me, I keep as far away from shady characters as possible, but once they spot you, sometimes they can get to you faster than you can get away from them. It's prudent to consider ALL options and not be stupid, even out on the water.
I prefer the position of offense. Getting involved with your local government may be a first step to prevent such occurrences. Drunken deranged boaters? There's a law for that.0
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