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Savagedistraction wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Savagedistraction wrote: »
I do. I have read an awful lot of your posts since being here, and am aware of some of the challenges you've overcome, which makes me less inclined to "argue" with you - not because of your challenges, but because of how you conduct yourself in spite of them - I have immense respect for you. With that said, I'll continue below.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
@K3rB3ar89 oh no you didn't....I stopped reading right here do not go after mah spaghetti girl ...we will fight!This may be true BUT... to eat healthy you need to spend more money. No one ever lost weight eating spagetti!
To the OPs point, just about everything that's been named in this thread that are nice to haves/must haves (some I'm in agreement with) are aids to get fit.
Although health markers will almost certainly improve with weight loss alone, you don't have to get fit to lose weight. I personally think they go nicely together, but if I "Only" focused on weight loss without the fitness I would not need the shoes/gym memberships/fitbits/thing to hold the girls up ( That would look funny on my hairy self) and all the other niceties that make getting fit easier.
She specifically cited the "diet industry" not the fitness industry.
I'm done. Come at me.
Before I lost weight, I spent a lot of money on nail polish and all things manicure related.
Then my nails went to crap because psoriasis got to them and my doctor told me I couldn't wear nail polish any more.
The psoriatic arthritis was also why I started exercising. It was also why I needed really good shoes, because my joints are terrible. Because my joints are terrible, I decided I needed to lose weight.
When the weather got cold and the cold didn't play nicely with my joints, I joined a gym. They told me about MFP. I read the forums, and heard of the wonders of a food scale. I already thought I was eating a proper number of calories and the scale wasn't moving, so I got a food scale.
Good. Investment.
Can you see where this is going?
I understand this. I've stated many times myself the value of reading, learning, examining and exploring to find out what works in general as well as for each individual. But the key phrase in what I just quoted is "Fitness industry".None of this was me being "blinded" by the fitness industry, and this is where the OP is misguided (at best) in her thinking. None of us are automatons being led by the nose unwittingly in our endeavors to become better versions of ourselves here.
The OP very specifically stated "The diet industry is invested in convincing you that their crap is necessary in order for you to succeed"
Now, isn't this forum loaded to the gills with threads and posts about garbage the Diet industry is foisting on the public? I may be wrong, and the OP will have to clear this up if I am, but she posted about "weight loss" not "fitness" The two are not synonymous with each other, in as much as they are certainly in bed with each other.
In light of that and looking strictly at the idea, and not the OP, would you still say we cannot lose weight without the toys?
Dunno - maybe I'm the one who's confused here lol.
There's no dispute from me here. I've strived to do the same, and do enjoy and use my toys.We sign up here, we find out about new things, we consider, we evaluate, we invest. In ourselves.
My Fitbit, my food scale, my running shoes, my treadmill, my weight bench, my adjustable dumbbells? They are investments in my commitment to healthy habits.
I made thoughtful, deliberate choices regarding them all, and researched each purchase.
I think the original message is Getting lost in the butthurt outrage so many people seem to feel when their choices are critisized. My message is "you don't need all the gadgets and supplements to lose weight, and buying them will not make you lose weight, burning more calories than you consume will". Lots of fat people with closets full of equipment and gadgets they never use. Just look at Craigslist. In 2 years you'll be able to get a fit bit at the thrift store or garage sale for 10 bucks.
I think the message might be a little 'lost' because you're largely preaching to the choir. A vast number of people here know that the Fitbit won't make you skinny and that you need to burn more calories than you take in to lose weight. So rather than it being a revelation or an education, a lot of people are going "yeah... and?" and then, because they are succeeding/successful/educated/all of the above are pointing out how the gadgets CAN be helpful, just not in a vacuum.
I think it's a picking your audience problem more than anything.
[proud FitBit owner who just got a gym membership, is 80lbs down and going for a black belt this year]
Black belt in what discipline?
Taekwondo. It's what got me started on this whole shebang 2 years ago. I started it and wanted to be smaller, faster and healthier for it, with more stamina.2 -
OoooOoooOoh this thread is spicy!!! Hey sooo I have a fitbit blaze and I think it helps me out! I mean....I assume it does....wait...now that I'm typing this....maybe it doesn't??? I mean...it's just making my wrist look fantastic...but...maybe my wrist would look fantastic without it....hey on a side note I do wear shoes when I run!3
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Alatariel75 wrote: »Savagedistraction wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Savagedistraction wrote: »
I do. I have read an awful lot of your posts since being here, and am aware of some of the challenges you've overcome, which makes me less inclined to "argue" with you - not because of your challenges, but because of how you conduct yourself in spite of them - I have immense respect for you. With that said, I'll continue below.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
@K3rB3ar89 oh no you didn't....I stopped reading right here do not go after mah spaghetti girl ...we will fight!This may be true BUT... to eat healthy you need to spend more money. No one ever lost weight eating spagetti!
To the OPs point, just about everything that's been named in this thread that are nice to haves/must haves (some I'm in agreement with) are aids to get fit.
Although health markers will almost certainly improve with weight loss alone, you don't have to get fit to lose weight. I personally think they go nicely together, but if I "Only" focused on weight loss without the fitness I would not need the shoes/gym memberships/fitbits/thing to hold the girls up ( That would look funny on my hairy self) and all the other niceties that make getting fit easier.
She specifically cited the "diet industry" not the fitness industry.
I'm done. Come at me.
Before I lost weight, I spent a lot of money on nail polish and all things manicure related.
Then my nails went to crap because psoriasis got to them and my doctor told me I couldn't wear nail polish any more.
The psoriatic arthritis was also why I started exercising. It was also why I needed really good shoes, because my joints are terrible. Because my joints are terrible, I decided I needed to lose weight.
When the weather got cold and the cold didn't play nicely with my joints, I joined a gym. They told me about MFP. I read the forums, and heard of the wonders of a food scale. I already thought I was eating a proper number of calories and the scale wasn't moving, so I got a food scale.
Good. Investment.
Can you see where this is going?
I understand this. I've stated many times myself the value of reading, learning, examining and exploring to find out what works in general as well as for each individual. But the key phrase in what I just quoted is "Fitness industry".None of this was me being "blinded" by the fitness industry, and this is where the OP is misguided (at best) in her thinking. None of us are automatons being led by the nose unwittingly in our endeavors to become better versions of ourselves here.
The OP very specifically stated "The diet industry is invested in convincing you that their crap is necessary in order for you to succeed"
Now, isn't this forum loaded to the gills with threads and posts about garbage the Diet industry is foisting on the public? I may be wrong, and the OP will have to clear this up if I am, but she posted about "weight loss" not "fitness" The two are not synonymous with each other, in as much as they are certainly in bed with each other.
In light of that and looking strictly at the idea, and not the OP, would you still say we cannot lose weight without the toys?
Dunno - maybe I'm the one who's confused here lol.
There's no dispute from me here. I've strived to do the same, and do enjoy and use my toys.We sign up here, we find out about new things, we consider, we evaluate, we invest. In ourselves.
My Fitbit, my food scale, my running shoes, my treadmill, my weight bench, my adjustable dumbbells? They are investments in my commitment to healthy habits.
I made thoughtful, deliberate choices regarding them all, and researched each purchase.
I think the original message is Getting lost in the butthurt outrage so many people seem to feel when their choices are critisized. My message is "you don't need all the gadgets and supplements to lose weight, and buying them will not make you lose weight, burning more calories than you consume will". Lots of fat people with closets full of equipment and gadgets they never use. Just look at Craigslist. In 2 years you'll be able to get a fit bit at the thrift store or garage sale for 10 bucks.
I think the message might be a little 'lost' because you're largely preaching to the choir. A vast number of people here know that the Fitbit won't make you skinny and that you need to burn more calories than you take in to lose weight. So rather than it being a revelation or an education, a lot of people are going "yeah... and?" and then, because they are succeeding/successful/educated/all of the above are pointing out how the gadgets CAN be helpful, just not in a vacuum.
I think it's a picking your audience problem more than anything.
[proud FitBit owner who just got a gym membership, is 80lbs down and going for a black belt this year]
Black belt in what discipline?
Taekwondo. It's what got me started on this whole shebang 2 years ago. I started it and wanted to be smaller, faster and healthier for it, with more stamina.
You can get a black belt in 2 years in TKD?0 -
Savagedistraction wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Savagedistraction wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Savagedistraction wrote: »
I do. I have read an awful lot of your posts since being here, and am aware of some of the challenges you've overcome, which makes me less inclined to "argue" with you - not because of your challenges, but because of how you conduct yourself in spite of them - I have immense respect for you. With that said, I'll continue below.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
@K3rB3ar89 oh no you didn't....I stopped reading right here do not go after mah spaghetti girl ...we will fight!This may be true BUT... to eat healthy you need to spend more money. No one ever lost weight eating spagetti!
To the OPs point, just about everything that's been named in this thread that are nice to haves/must haves (some I'm in agreement with) are aids to get fit.
Although health markers will almost certainly improve with weight loss alone, you don't have to get fit to lose weight. I personally think they go nicely together, but if I "Only" focused on weight loss without the fitness I would not need the shoes/gym memberships/fitbits/thing to hold the girls up ( That would look funny on my hairy self) and all the other niceties that make getting fit easier.
She specifically cited the "diet industry" not the fitness industry.
I'm done. Come at me.
Before I lost weight, I spent a lot of money on nail polish and all things manicure related.
Then my nails went to crap because psoriasis got to them and my doctor told me I couldn't wear nail polish any more.
The psoriatic arthritis was also why I started exercising. It was also why I needed really good shoes, because my joints are terrible. Because my joints are terrible, I decided I needed to lose weight.
When the weather got cold and the cold didn't play nicely with my joints, I joined a gym. They told me about MFP. I read the forums, and heard of the wonders of a food scale. I already thought I was eating a proper number of calories and the scale wasn't moving, so I got a food scale.
Good. Investment.
Can you see where this is going?
I understand this. I've stated many times myself the value of reading, learning, examining and exploring to find out what works in general as well as for each individual. But the key phrase in what I just quoted is "Fitness industry".None of this was me being "blinded" by the fitness industry, and this is where the OP is misguided (at best) in her thinking. None of us are automatons being led by the nose unwittingly in our endeavors to become better versions of ourselves here.
The OP very specifically stated "The diet industry is invested in convincing you that their crap is necessary in order for you to succeed"
Now, isn't this forum loaded to the gills with threads and posts about garbage the Diet industry is foisting on the public? I may be wrong, and the OP will have to clear this up if I am, but she posted about "weight loss" not "fitness" The two are not synonymous with each other, in as much as they are certainly in bed with each other.
In light of that and looking strictly at the idea, and not the OP, would you still say we cannot lose weight without the toys?
Dunno - maybe I'm the one who's confused here lol.
There's no dispute from me here. I've strived to do the same, and do enjoy and use my toys.We sign up here, we find out about new things, we consider, we evaluate, we invest. In ourselves.
My Fitbit, my food scale, my running shoes, my treadmill, my weight bench, my adjustable dumbbells? They are investments in my commitment to healthy habits.
I made thoughtful, deliberate choices regarding them all, and researched each purchase.
I think the original message is Getting lost in the butthurt outrage so many people seem to feel when their choices are critisized. My message is "you don't need all the gadgets and supplements to lose weight, and buying them will not make you lose weight, burning more calories than you consume will". Lots of fat people with closets full of equipment and gadgets they never use. Just look at Craigslist. In 2 years you'll be able to get a fit bit at the thrift store or garage sale for 10 bucks.
I think the message might be a little 'lost' because you're largely preaching to the choir. A vast number of people here know that the Fitbit won't make you skinny and that you need to burn more calories than you take in to lose weight. So rather than it being a revelation or an education, a lot of people are going "yeah... and?" and then, because they are succeeding/successful/educated/all of the above are pointing out how the gadgets CAN be helpful, just not in a vacuum.
I think it's a picking your audience problem more than anything.
[proud FitBit owner who just got a gym membership, is 80lbs down and going for a black belt this year]
Black belt in what discipline?
Taekwondo. It's what got me started on this whole shebang 2 years ago. I started it and wanted to be smaller, faster and healthier for it, with more stamina.
You can get a black belt in 2 years in TKD?
2.5, 10 grades, grading every 3 months. But with TKD, the Black Belt is really seen as the start of your real education. Grading up Black Belt Dans is what takes a lot of time.4 -
This thread started out meh but became amazing!1
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I do. I have read an awful lot of your posts since being here, and am aware of some of the challenges you've overcome, which makes me less inclined to "argue" with you - not because of your challenges, but because of how you conduct yourself in spite of them - I have immense respect for you. With that said, I'll continue below.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
@K3rB3ar89 oh no you didn't....I stopped reading right here do not go after mah spaghetti girl ...we will fight!This may be true BUT... to eat healthy you need to spend more money. No one ever lost weight eating spagetti!
To the OPs point, just about everything that's been named in this thread that are nice to haves/must haves (some I'm in agreement with) are aids to get fit.
Although health markers will almost certainly improve with weight loss alone, you don't have to get fit to lose weight. I personally think they go nicely together, but if I "Only" focused on weight loss without the fitness I would not need the shoes/gym memberships/fitbits/thing to hold the girls up ( That would look funny on my hairy self) and all the other niceties that make getting fit easier.
She specifically cited the "diet industry" not the fitness industry.
I'm done. Come at me.
Before I lost weight, I spent a lot of money on nail polish and all things manicure related.
Then my nails went to crap because psoriasis got to them and my doctor told me I couldn't wear nail polish any more.
The psoriatic arthritis was also why I started exercising. It was also why I needed really good shoes, because my joints are terrible. Because my joints are terrible, I decided I needed to lose weight.
When the weather got cold and the cold didn't play nicely with my joints, I joined a gym. They told me about MFP. I read the forums, and heard of the wonders of a food scale. I already thought I was eating a proper number of calories and the scale wasn't moving, so I got a food scale.
Good. Investment.
Can you see where this is going?
I understand this. I've stated many times myself the value of reading, learning, examining and exploring to find out what works in general as well as for each individual. But the key phrase in what I just quoted is "Fitness industry".None of this was me being "blinded" by the fitness industry, and this is where the OP is misguided (at best) in her thinking. None of us are automatons being led by the nose unwittingly in our endeavors to become better versions of ourselves here.
The OP very specifically stated "The diet industry is invested in convincing you that their crap is necessary in order for you to succeed"
Now, isn't this forum loaded to the gills with threads and posts about garbage the Diet industry is foisting on the public? I may be wrong, and the OP will have to clear this up if I am, but she posted about "weight loss" not "fitness" The two are not synonymous with each other, in as much as they are certainly in bed with each other.
In light of that and looking strictly at the idea, and not the OP, would you still say we cannot lose weight without the toys?
Dunno - maybe I'm the one who's confused here lol.
There's no dispute from me here. I've strived to do the same, and do enjoy and use my toys.We sign up here, we find out about new things, we consider, we evaluate, we invest. In ourselves.
My Fitbit, my food scale, my running shoes, my treadmill, my weight bench, my adjustable dumbbells? They are investments in my commitment to healthy habits.
I made thoughtful, deliberate choices regarding them all, and researched each purchase.
Ah, to me becoming fit and losing weight go hand in hand because I'm so old and short that I'd have a meager calorie allowance if I didn't at least walk every day
No, you don't need to spend money to lose weight.
However, here's where I think the difficulty arose:
The OP mentioned fitbits, but a fitbit isn't a weight loss gadget. A fitibit is a fitness tool. She conflated the two.
There are misconceptions that fitness alone will make you lose weight, but that doesn't mean that people here (or anywhere) choosing to use a fitbit are necessarily ignorant of the fact that using a fitbit is not going to make them lose weight. The OP's implication that we're all lacking in this knowledge was insulting.2 -
Savagedistraction wrote: »MommyMeggo wrote: »Savagedistraction wrote: »Why do you even care, OP? What is the purpose of this little temper tantrum of yours? You could have easily made this thread a motivating one, using your mom as an example. Instead, you chose to berate people who have the means to buy things they feel help them lose weight. I assume this is all happening from a public computer at the library or school, right? The computer companies just make you think you need one at home, so obviously you wouldn't fall for that.
I have the means, just not the inclination. I don't have a computer in my home(or a TV). I am using a smart phone, which I have to have for work. Just because I can afford 100$ yoga pants and a fit bit doesn't mean I should buy one. And I'm not here to be lovey dovey with people. I'm not here to be a role model or motivate people. I've worked In a gym as a trainer and have been athletic my whole life. Reality is a *kitten*. And reality is..the gadgets aren't going to lose weight for you..but there is a huge industry out there that wants to convince you otherwise.
So you made a post specifically to NOT be motivating?
Sure wouldnt want you as my trainer....something sheep spend money on but dont even need.
Trainers dont lose the weight for us.
So.Much. Irony.
I don't work as a trainer anymore. Haven't for many years. Why do I put up posts like this? I work in healthcare. I see the effects of poor lifestyle every day in my hospital.
Seeing a 21 year old man who's 450 pounds and can't walk playing with his new Fitbit, saying how cool it is. Same guy who can't hold down a job because he can't walk and has so many health problems. He can't afford it, but that's not the point. He thinks he needs it. He thinks it will motivate him and help him to lose weight. It hasn't. It sits like on his wrist like a cruel irony as he makes excuse after excuse about how he can't afford to eat healthier or join a gym. My heart breaks for people like that. Not just because they are on the fast track to disability and death, but because they've bought into a system of advertising that promised great results with little effort. It's a public health issue. I care about that.
So, you see a couple of people and apply a blanket statement to all?
Good job.
You shouldn't act like you're better than everyone else. There are trainers and medical professionals on mfp who are helpful, encouraging and pleasant.
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Savagedistraction wrote: »
I do. I have read an awful lot of your posts since being here, and am aware of some of the challenges you've overcome, which makes me less inclined to "argue" with you - not because of your challenges, but because of how you conduct yourself in spite of them - I have immense respect for you. With that said, I'll continue below.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
@K3rB3ar89 oh no you didn't....I stopped reading right here do not go after mah spaghetti girl ...we will fight!This may be true BUT... to eat healthy you need to spend more money. No one ever lost weight eating spagetti!
To the OPs point, just about everything that's been named in this thread that are nice to haves/must haves (some I'm in agreement with) are aids to get fit.
Although health markers will almost certainly improve with weight loss alone, you don't have to get fit to lose weight. I personally think they go nicely together, but if I "Only" focused on weight loss without the fitness I would not need the shoes/gym memberships/fitbits/thing to hold the girls up ( That would look funny on my hairy self) and all the other niceties that make getting fit easier.
She specifically cited the "diet industry" not the fitness industry.
I'm done. Come at me.
Before I lost weight, I spent a lot of money on nail polish and all things manicure related.
Then my nails went to crap because psoriasis got to them and my doctor told me I couldn't wear nail polish any more.
The psoriatic arthritis was also why I started exercising. It was also why I needed really good shoes, because my joints are terrible. Because my joints are terrible, I decided I needed to lose weight.
When the weather got cold and the cold didn't play nicely with my joints, I joined a gym. They told me about MFP. I read the forums, and heard of the wonders of a food scale. I already thought I was eating a proper number of calories and the scale wasn't moving, so I got a food scale.
Good. Investment.
Can you see where this is going?
I understand this. I've stated many times myself the value of reading, learning, examining and exploring to find out what works in general as well as for each individual. But the key phrase in what I just quoted is "Fitness industry".None of this was me being "blinded" by the fitness industry, and this is where the OP is misguided (at best) in her thinking. None of us are automatons being led by the nose unwittingly in our endeavors to become better versions of ourselves here.
The OP very specifically stated "The diet industry is invested in convincing you that their crap is necessary in order for you to succeed"
Now, isn't this forum loaded to the gills with threads and posts about garbage the Diet industry is foisting on the public? I may be wrong, and the OP will have to clear this up if I am, but she posted about "weight loss" not "fitness" The two are not synonymous with each other, in as much as they are certainly in bed with each other.
In light of that and looking strictly at the idea, and not the OP, would you still say we cannot lose weight without the toys?
Dunno - maybe I'm the one who's confused here lol.
There's no dispute from me here. I've strived to do the same, and do enjoy and use my toys.We sign up here, we find out about new things, we consider, we evaluate, we invest. In ourselves.
My Fitbit, my food scale, my running shoes, my treadmill, my weight bench, my adjustable dumbbells? They are investments in my commitment to healthy habits.
I made thoughtful, deliberate choices regarding them all, and researched each purchase.
I think the original message is Getting lost in the butthurt outrage so many people seem to feel when their choices are critisized. My message is "you don't need all the gadgets and supplements to lose weight, and buying them will not make you lose weight, burning more calories than you consume will". Lots of fat people with closets full of equipment and gadgets they never use. Just look at Craigslist. In 2 years you'll be able to get a fit bit at the thrift store or garage sale for 10 bucks.
Looks at her profile picture.
Looks at Fitbit on wrist.
Scratches head in confusion.2 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »Savagedistraction wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Savagedistraction wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Savagedistraction wrote: »
I do. I have read an awful lot of your posts since being here, and am aware of some of the challenges you've overcome, which makes me less inclined to "argue" with you - not because of your challenges, but because of how you conduct yourself in spite of them - I have immense respect for you. With that said, I'll continue below.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
@K3rB3ar89 oh no you didn't....I stopped reading right here do not go after mah spaghetti girl ...we will fight!This may be true BUT... to eat healthy you need to spend more money. No one ever lost weight eating spagetti!
To the OPs point, just about everything that's been named in this thread that are nice to haves/must haves (some I'm in agreement with) are aids to get fit.
Although health markers will almost certainly improve with weight loss alone, you don't have to get fit to lose weight. I personally think they go nicely together, but if I "Only" focused on weight loss without the fitness I would not need the shoes/gym memberships/fitbits/thing to hold the girls up ( That would look funny on my hairy self) and all the other niceties that make getting fit easier.
She specifically cited the "diet industry" not the fitness industry.
I'm done. Come at me.
Before I lost weight, I spent a lot of money on nail polish and all things manicure related.
Then my nails went to crap because psoriasis got to them and my doctor told me I couldn't wear nail polish any more.
The psoriatic arthritis was also why I started exercising. It was also why I needed really good shoes, because my joints are terrible. Because my joints are terrible, I decided I needed to lose weight.
When the weather got cold and the cold didn't play nicely with my joints, I joined a gym. They told me about MFP. I read the forums, and heard of the wonders of a food scale. I already thought I was eating a proper number of calories and the scale wasn't moving, so I got a food scale.
Good. Investment.
Can you see where this is going?
I understand this. I've stated many times myself the value of reading, learning, examining and exploring to find out what works in general as well as for each individual. But the key phrase in what I just quoted is "Fitness industry".None of this was me being "blinded" by the fitness industry, and this is where the OP is misguided (at best) in her thinking. None of us are automatons being led by the nose unwittingly in our endeavors to become better versions of ourselves here.
The OP very specifically stated "The diet industry is invested in convincing you that their crap is necessary in order for you to succeed"
Now, isn't this forum loaded to the gills with threads and posts about garbage the Diet industry is foisting on the public? I may be wrong, and the OP will have to clear this up if I am, but she posted about "weight loss" not "fitness" The two are not synonymous with each other, in as much as they are certainly in bed with each other.
In light of that and looking strictly at the idea, and not the OP, would you still say we cannot lose weight without the toys?
Dunno - maybe I'm the one who's confused here lol.
There's no dispute from me here. I've strived to do the same, and do enjoy and use my toys.We sign up here, we find out about new things, we consider, we evaluate, we invest. In ourselves.
My Fitbit, my food scale, my running shoes, my treadmill, my weight bench, my adjustable dumbbells? They are investments in my commitment to healthy habits.
I made thoughtful, deliberate choices regarding them all, and researched each purchase.
I think the original message is Getting lost in the butthurt outrage so many people seem to feel when their choices are critisized. My message is "you don't need all the gadgets and supplements to lose weight, and buying them will not make you lose weight, burning more calories than you consume will". Lots of fat people with closets full of equipment and gadgets they never use. Just look at Craigslist. In 2 years you'll be able to get a fit bit at the thrift store or garage sale for 10 bucks.
I think the message might be a little 'lost' because you're largely preaching to the choir. A vast number of people here know that the Fitbit won't make you skinny and that you need to burn more calories than you take in to lose weight. So rather than it being a revelation or an education, a lot of people are going "yeah... and?" and then, because they are succeeding/successful/educated/all of the above are pointing out how the gadgets CAN be helpful, just not in a vacuum.
I think it's a picking your audience problem more than anything.
[proud FitBit owner who just got a gym membership, is 80lbs down and going for a black belt this year]
Black belt in what discipline?
Taekwondo. It's what got me started on this whole shebang 2 years ago. I started it and wanted to be smaller, faster and healthier for it, with more stamina.
You can get a black belt in 2 years in TKD?
2.5, 10 grades, grading every 3 months. But with TKD, the Black Belt is really seen as the start of your real education. Grading up Black Belt Dans is what takes a lot of time.
Interesting. In BJJ it takes many many years to get to black. Usually 10 or more. There are exceptions. We have a guy in our club who got to brown in 4 years, but he was a national team judo champion black belt when he started BJJ and is a young gifted athlete all around. someone new to jits training 3-4 days a week it will take 10 years or more typically. At least under anyone reputable. Lineage is really important in the martial arts for sure.
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Savagedistraction wrote: »Not one person has ever lost weight because they bought a fit bit, expensive workout clothes or trendy exercise equipment. If you need to lose weight, the only thing that works is to eat less and move more. The toys and expensive outfits..unnecessary. I'm sure this may be obvious to most..but it seems a reminder is in order. Weight loss does t have to cost you any money. Don't be a sheep. The diet industry is invested in convincing you that their crap is necessary in order for you to succeed. Nope. Move your *kitten* and eat less. That is all you need.
Although there is some truth and common sense to this, you just comes across as condescending.2 -
showerbeer182 wrote: »OoooOoooOoh this thread is spicy!!! Hey sooo I have a fitbit blaze and I think it helps me out! I mean....I assume it does....wait...now that I'm typing this....maybe it doesn't??? I mean...it's just making my wrist look fantastic...but...maybe my wrist would look fantastic without it....hey on a side note I do wear shoes when I run!
All I read in this post was BAAAAAAAHHHHHH!5 -
showerbeer182 wrote: »OoooOoooOoh this thread is spicy!!! Hey sooo I have a fitbit blaze and I think it helps me out! I mean....I assume it does....wait...now that I'm typing this....maybe it doesn't??? I mean...it's just making my wrist look fantastic...but...maybe my wrist would look fantastic without it....hey on a side note I do wear shoes when I run!
We need to run barefoot and nekkid.
Then we'll be real runners.
I think I'll try that tomorrow and see what the neighbors think.6 -
I fully support this endeavour.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »showerbeer182 wrote: »OoooOoooOoh this thread is spicy!!! Hey sooo I have a fitbit blaze and I think it helps me out! I mean....I assume it does....wait...now that I'm typing this....maybe it doesn't??? I mean...it's just making my wrist look fantastic...but...maybe my wrist would look fantastic without it....hey on a side note I do wear shoes when I run!
We need to run barefoot and nekkid.
Then we'll be real runners.
I think I'll try that tomorrow and see what the neighbors think.
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Fun Fact:
A lot of people buy Fitbits to track activity they're already getting and give them data because they're geeky that way.
OP may not know this.7 -
I think I just got called geeky. I am ok with this. I have been called much worse :-)GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Fun Fact:
A lot of people buy Fitbits to track activity they're already getting and give them data because they're geeky that way.
OP may not know this.
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Fun fact: When hippos are upset, their sweat turns red.9
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Heh, I'm old and hairyGottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
I do. I have read an awful lot of your posts since being here, and am aware of some of the challenges you've overcome, which makes me less inclined to "argue" with you - not because of your challenges, but because of how you conduct yourself in spite of them - I have immense respect for you. With that said, I'll continue below.GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »
@K3rB3ar89 oh no you didn't....I stopped reading right here do not go after mah spaghetti girl ...we will fight!This may be true BUT... to eat healthy you need to spend more money. No one ever lost weight eating spagetti!
To the OPs point, just about everything that's been named in this thread that are nice to haves/must haves (some I'm in agreement with) are aids to get fit.
Although health markers will almost certainly improve with weight loss alone, you don't have to get fit to lose weight. I personally think they go nicely together, but if I "Only" focused on weight loss without the fitness I would not need the shoes/gym memberships/fitbits/thing to hold the girls up ( That would look funny on my hairy self) and all the other niceties that make getting fit easier.
She specifically cited the "diet industry" not the fitness industry.
I'm done. Come at me.
Before I lost weight, I spent a lot of money on nail polish and all things manicure related.
Then my nails went to crap because psoriasis got to them and my doctor told me I couldn't wear nail polish any more.
The psoriatic arthritis was also why I started exercising. It was also why I needed really good shoes, because my joints are terrible. Because my joints are terrible, I decided I needed to lose weight.
When the weather got cold and the cold didn't play nicely with my joints, I joined a gym. They told me about MFP. I read the forums, and heard of the wonders of a food scale. I already thought I was eating a proper number of calories and the scale wasn't moving, so I got a food scale.
Good. Investment.
Can you see where this is going?
I understand this. I've stated many times myself the value of reading, learning, examining and exploring to find out what works in general as well as for each individual. But the key phrase in what I just quoted is "Fitness industry".None of this was me being "blinded" by the fitness industry, and this is where the OP is misguided (at best) in her thinking. None of us are automatons being led by the nose unwittingly in our endeavors to become better versions of ourselves here.
The OP very specifically stated "The diet industry is invested in convincing you that their crap is necessary in order for you to succeed"
Now, isn't this forum loaded to the gills with threads and posts about garbage the Diet industry is foisting on the public? I may be wrong, and the OP will have to clear this up if I am, but she posted about "weight loss" not "fitness" The two are not synonymous with each other, in as much as they are certainly in bed with each other.
In light of that and looking strictly at the idea, and not the OP, would you still say we cannot lose weight without the toys?
Dunno - maybe I'm the one who's confused here lol.
There's no dispute from me here. I've strived to do the same, and do enjoy and use my toys.We sign up here, we find out about new things, we consider, we evaluate, we invest. In ourselves.
My Fitbit, my food scale, my running shoes, my treadmill, my weight bench, my adjustable dumbbells? They are investments in my commitment to healthy habits.
I made thoughtful, deliberate choices regarding them all, and researched each purchase.
Ah, to me becoming fit and losing weight go hand in hand because I'm so old and short that I'd have a meager calorie allowance if I didn't at least walk every day
Ah gotcha - I admittedly breezed over that for some reason.No, you don't need to spend money to lose weight.
However, here's where I think the difficulty arose:
The OP mentioned fitbits, but a fitbit isn't a weight loss gadget. A fitibit is a fitness tool. She conflated the two.
There are misconceptions that fitness alone will make you lose weight, but that doesn't mean that people here (or anywhere) choosing to use a fitbit are necessarily ignorant of the fact that using a fitbit is not going to make them lose weight. The OP's implication that we're all lacking in this knowledge was insulting.0 -
@K3rB3ar89 oh no you didn't....I stopped reading right here do not go after mah spaghetti girl ...we will fight!This may be true BUT... to eat healthy you need to spend more money. No one ever lost weight eating spagetti!
To the OPs point, just about everything that's been named in this thread that are nice to haves/must haves (some I'm in agreement with) are aids to get fit.
Although health markers will almost certainly improve with weight loss alone, you don't have to get fit to lose weight. I personally think they go nicely together, but if I "Only" focused on weight loss without the fitness I would not need the shoes/gym memberships/fitbits/thing to hold the girls up ( That would look funny on my hairy self) and all the other niceties that make getting fit easier.
She specifically cited the "diet industry" not the fitness industry.
I'm done. Come at me.
Ugh dont even start! It was more a finger of speech then literal.. yall are too serious! Lol..0 -
@K3rB3ar89 oh no you didn't....I stopped reading right here do not go after mah spaghetti girl ...we will fight!This may be true BUT... to eat healthy you need to spend more money. No one ever lost weight eating spagetti!
To the OPs point, just about everything that's been named in this thread that are nice to haves/must haves (some I'm in agreement with) are aids to get fit.
Although health markers will almost certainly improve with weight loss alone, you don't have to get fit to lose weight. I personally think they go nicely together, but if I "Only" focused on weight loss without the fitness I would not need the shoes/gym memberships/fitbits/thing to hold the girls up ( That would look funny on my hairy self) and all the other niceties that make getting fit easier.
She specifically cited the "diet industry" not the fitness industry.
I'm done. Come at me.
Ugh dont even start! It was more a finger of speech then literal.. yall are too serious! Lol..
Am not! 1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Savagedistraction wrote: »MommyMeggo wrote: »Savagedistraction wrote: »Why do you even care, OP? What is the purpose of this little temper tantrum of yours? You could have easily made this thread a motivating one, using your mom as an example. Instead, you chose to berate people who have the means to buy things they feel help them lose weight. I assume this is all happening from a public computer at the library or school, right? The computer companies just make you think you need one at home, so obviously you wouldn't fall for that.
I have the means, just not the inclination. I don't have a computer in my home(or a TV). I am using a smart phone, which I have to have for work. Just because I can afford 100$ yoga pants and a fit bit doesn't mean I should buy one. And I'm not here to be lovey dovey with people. I'm not here to be a role model or motivate people. I've worked In a gym as a trainer and have been athletic my whole life. Reality is a *kitten*. And reality is..the gadgets aren't going to lose weight for you..but there is a huge industry out there that wants to convince you otherwise.
So you made a post specifically to NOT be motivating?
Sure wouldnt want you as my trainer....something sheep spend money on but dont even need.
Trainers dont lose the weight for us.
So.Much. Irony.
I don't work as a trainer anymore. Haven't for many years. Why do I put up posts like this? I work in healthcare. I see the effects of poor lifestyle every day in my hospital.
Seeing a 21 year old man who's 450 pounds and can't walk playing with his new Fitbit, saying how cool it is. Same guy who can't hold down a job because he can't walk and has so many health problems. He can't afford it, but that's not the point. He thinks he needs it. He thinks it will motivate him and help him to lose weight. It hasn't. It sits like on his wrist like a cruel irony as he makes excuse after excuse about how he can't afford to eat healthier or join a gym. My heart breaks for people like that. Not just because they are on the fast track to disability and death, but because they've bought into a system of advertising that promised great results with little effort. It's a public health issue. I care about that.
If your heart is truly breaking, it may be worth considering how to communicate in a way that connects with people. Maybe some people just like him are reading this post, yet you say you don't want to motivate anyone. If you don't want to help people, why seek to actively alienate them?
If you don't want to help people, why not just choose silence? Why this?
I think we have here another newish poster who has made a lot of assumptions about the people who populate these forums. She wants to enlighten us based on those assumptions.
Who also happens to be dead wrong.
This is what happens when you take no time to actually read a lot of threads before diving in and getting a feel for the culture of the place.
Here's the thing....I don't think her initial post was that far off base except for use of the term sheep. It has gone somewhat downhill from there, I would agree.0
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