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stevencloser wrote: »Sandtigress wrote: »Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar
Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
Check the nutrition info on the ice cream and you'll see it likely has as much fat as sugar.
No one ever seems to realize that, or admit it once it is pointed out that it might not be straight sugar that is the demon, do they?10 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »jeanieneni wrote: »Hi Microwoman, You are now on a ketogenic diet. Congratulations! Have a look at diet doctor.com for guidance and amazing recipes. Care MUST be taken on a low-carb diet to eat sufficient fats (for energy), and sufficient sodium (salt). Very low carb levels mean we flush a lot of excess fluids out of our system, thereby losing sodium. With insufficient sodium in the blood, we die. It's THAT important. Once you get a handle on this, you will love it. It's DELICIOUS. You CAN eat cream and butter, and olive oil. Yoghurt and cheese are fine, since the cultures used in making these products have already dealt with any carbs, leaving none for you! And BTW, above-ground vegetables have little carbs, and should be okay for you to eat.
I wish you well, but DO THE RESEARCH for your health's sake. Jeanieneni
Ketogentic diets incorporate vegetables, most of the time.
Above ground vegetables ARE carbs. They just have fewer than below ground vegetables. Vegetables are awesome.
Dietdoctor.com recommends lots of them.
Ketogenic diets don't flush toxins.
But yes, do your research if you decide to do a ketogenic diet. Like, for example, the ones Dr. whats his name on the diet doctor site, recommends. No where does he recommend "no carbs".
OP: if you decide to follow a low carb or ketogenic diet, do your research. I would NOT recommend going from a standard American diet to "zero carb" with no transition, if ever. The dietdoctor website is a good place to learn. Note his "side effects" section.
This. OP - I lost most all my weight on a liberal keto diet. I loved it. As a matter of fact, the primary reason I began to veer away from it was hunger. This seems to be very much a "Your Mileage May Vary" issue, but I was always ravenous within an hour of eating a huge meal.
#1 I did track calories and found a restriction easier to manage going low carb.
#2 Do that research on side effects!
#3 I lost my weight on lchf, but seem to need carbs to manage hunger. Why? Don't know.
#4 Research your recipes, plan and shop ahead of time. Last minute didn't work well with me.
Enjoy your journey, and best of luck with it.
Oh - I'm siding with the others regarding your doctors advice. My current doc is pretty excellent, but I went through some bad ones to get to him. Getting a registered dieticians advice may well be worth the time and money for you.3 -
Hi Microwoman, This is very similar to the Bernstein diet. As I recall we weren't even allowed to use face cream because of the fat absorbed by the skin. There are a few cookbooks out there for the Atkins program that might help you. Since your Dr. said no fried food or dairy you will have to adjust for that. There was also a cookbook put out that was absolutely amazing called the low carb gourmet by Karen Barnaby. If you can find that book (it is out of print) it has wonderful ideas and recipes in it. I see some used copies on Amazon. I will warn you though that most low carb diets encourage high fat for satisfaction so the low carb cookbooks tend to be high in fat including the one I recommended.
If you are doing Bernstein be careful. My hair started falling out around 45 pounds gone. That was the kiss of death for me. Several people where I work went on the diet and EVERYONE gained the weight back plus more.
I wish you luck but will say I have lost around 73 pounds just by eating sensibly and walking. I tried all the diets, Bernstein, Atkins, Weight Watchers, HCG, etc. I even had a lapband. My doc supported low carb too but I just couldn't stay with it. I got so I felt like I would sell my soul for a potato, lol. None of those programs worked for me, I would lose 20 to 45 pounds then gain them back plus more. I'm 60 years old and have been dieting my entire life. I finally got fed up and decided to try something that I felt I could live with for the rest of my life and voila, finally the weight came off. Do your own path, if low carb works and you feel you can eat that way the rest of your life then go for it.
The best way to lose weight and maintain is to find something you can live with permanently. Your body slowly changes and your tastes change so you no longer crave the stuff that was killing you. I understand the desire to lose quickly but it never lasts. I truly wish you luck and please understand that this community really cares about the health of everyone on here. No one discourages you to try to hurt you but out of real concern for your safety.9 -
microwoman999 wrote: »I have not been tracking calories yet or sodium. Mostly trying to change my style slowly but for the most part I'm doing ok with the transition. I will start tracking what I eat so I can gauge it better. I remember when I was on my last diet I craved salt a lot. So I better watch that if that is what can cause leg cramps. No one likes cramps! There is one person in particular that has messaged me twice and I know they are trolling on here so they will see this message. Nothing nasty just rude. If I could block them it would make me feel better.
I would definitely start tracking calories, macros and sodium. This way if you have questions we can actually provide a better response.3 -
Hi, OP. I didn't say anything because keto can work and who knows if you will like it, and if you are asking your doctor how to lose or the doctor is giving you an extreme diet it's entirely possible you've had compliance problems in the past or want something really simple/simplistic or your doctor thinks you need that. No harm in trying it and it could end up being perfect for you. (Wouldn't be my first recommendation of how to lose, but I don't know your history.)
However:microwoman999 wrote: »Wow some more info! Thank you. I know a lot of people want to say it's crazy and I thought so to in the beginning. I am not happy about no diet pop or crystal light but I promise you I have diet cream soda in my fridge 1 can a week is what I am allowing myself. If I can go longer I will and it's better than a can everyday.
My guess is this is about changing your tastes plus the doctor perhaps being influenced by the notion that for some people drinking artificially sweetened things encourages them to crave sweets. IME this happens with some people not others, so experimentation is better, but again your doctor knows you better than I do. I also think that doctors often assume people won't be compliant so say things like 1200 calories! assuming it will be 1800 or NO sugar assuming it will still be a lot, but not as much.Marm1962- no I have not found sugar free bacon and I questioned my doctor about the bacon because he said no fried food and I also know it's fat is high. He said not to worry about the sugar because it's a natural sugar.
This concerns me more, since there is NO natural sugar in bacon, that's nuts. It's added sugar. Either your doctor is quite ignorant about nutrition and shouldn't be advising you or, more likely, he's decided that you (as a patient) don't need to actually understand things so is giving a not really accurate black and white kind of explanation (goes along with the "white foods are bad" and "don't eat things that taste sweet" idiocy). For me this would suggest that my doctor thought I wasn't that bright and incapable of understanding the basics, so I don't think I could work with that (luckily my doctor would never do that). On the other hand, I wouldn't expect my doctor to give me a detailed diet to follow for weight loss, so eh, maybe he has determined that you don't really want explanations of the reasons.
Anyway, my guess is that the doctor thinks the little bit of sugar in bacon isn't going to matter for ketosis (if that's the issue) or isn't going to cause you to want sweets and may have decided that you overeat because of so called junk food, as in addition to being a diet based on low carb, it effectively eliminates junk food. (Doctors may cynically think that overweight patients eat poor diets filled with junk food, won't be that compliant if they are told to eat a healthy diet with more lean meat and vegetables, so come up with stuff like this -- no sugar or white foods! -- to basically force them to at least cut down.)If it's natural and not out of a box I let it go.
Not sure how this = bacon. I get bacon from a farm, so I suppose it could be, but it's still processed, you know, especially if you are saying it has a label that indicates added sugar.
But eh.
Like I said above, low carb/keto can work and you might like it and will get tips from the low carb group. I'd strongly suggest that you eat plenty of vegetables, as they are included on your diet (even though they have sugar and carbs). Just as a point of interest, and something that I would mention to your doctor if he recommended no carbs and no sugar to me, my breakfast this morning included broccoli, fennel, spaghetti squash, and kale for a total of 28 g carbs and 10 g of sugar. Added to that I had some strawberries (10 g carbs, 7 g sugar), 2 eggs (1 g carb, 1 g sugar), and some yogurt (but granted it was white) (7 g carbs, 6 g sugar).
Total of 36 g carbs and 24 g sugar (only 24 net carbs if one counts those, however).
Apparently your doctor would consider this very unhealthy and bad for weight loss? Seems odd.
Again, I am all for trying keto, especially if one has health reasons or has had issues with weight loss that it seems it might help (hunger, for example, or certain kinds of non compliance). But I am disturbed by any doctor that wouldn't explain what he was recommending, why, and how it works.5 -
have you heard of the NSNG way of eating (No Sugar No Grain) - it's not a 'low carb' diet - you basically don't eat sugars or grains (wheat, rice, pasta, flour, oats - etc). Research grains and sugar and what they do to the body. It's not the food that makes us fat, it's hormones that are disrupted by the FOODs that we eat!
Fat is NOT the enemy - healthy fats (NOT CRAPPY FATS like vegetable oil, corn oil, partially hydrogenated oils -etc) are actually good for you. Avacados, heavy whipping cream, butter, bacon, beef, chicken thighs, olives- all good for you.
NSNG is not a low carb diet, but from eating the right foods, carbs are automatically lowered. If you want more info, message me and I'll send you a link
For the person who said "This site is based on calorie reduction...with guidelines on nutritional macros (fiber, sodium, protein, etc.) to aim for...and promoting it in a SUSTAINABLE way." THAT Is a crazy diet.
calorie reduction is impossible to sustain. If it wasn't - jenny craig, weight watchers and all of those other 'calorie counting' diets would not be making money and getting repeat clients. Why? We all know, once you go back to eating all those calories, you gain the weight back.
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I've been doing keto/low carb since Halloween and it's been GREAT! Everyone who is freaking out on @microwoman999 needs to stop. A lot of people are on a similar diet, Low Carb/High Fat, and have had great success. I'm not extremely strict on the diet. If I want to eat a sandwich with real bread, ice cream, etc., I go ahead and have it. Only if I really want it. Otherwise, my sugar/carb cravings have practically disappeared. All symptoms from my bad gall bladder have disappeared. My bloodwork, taken just before Christmas, shows great improvements in cholesterol in the past year. I've also lost 15 pounds and two pant sizes! Sure, it sounds sketchy, but it is sustainable and it does work. Don't just automatically assume that a doctor is crazy for suggesting such a diet!4
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Yes they do. Why? Because people will do just about anything for weight loss. People spend more time planning a vacation then they do researching diets on the internet.Sandtigress wrote: »Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
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watch some videos on sugars and grains by gary taubes - you will learn a lot and change the way you eat
http://garytaubes.com/2016/12/widespread-praise-for-the-case-against-sugar/0 -
In my experience, the problem with sugar is how addictive it can become. Yes CICO is still the basic rule, but when your CI is hard to keep down because you're craving something (usually sugary), it doesn't make it easy to eat less. I've found keto to keep the hunger away.
I personally wouldn't consider it a diet for life though, but I find it useful for losing fat in a cut and have had much more success with it that a standard 40/40/20 or 33/33/33 split in macros. Again, not because of the magical foods, but because I find it easier to eat less overall calories and feel less deprived/depleted.4 -
OP - you will find saying No Carb No Sugar gets many people's undies in a bunch. I sincerely hope you will find a happy medium. And go by how you feel and the energy you have and being able to lose weight doing deficit. I am "allergic" if you would (makes me puke fairly quickly) to the artificial sweeteners, so avoid those at all cost. Was diagnosed with Hypo Thyroid/Hashimoto a few years back and Post menopausal (so many fun things) so in my research found cutting/limiting wheat products, processed products, added sugar products has made me feel so much better. The 70# loss was actually a side effect of eating better and having more energy to get out there and walk/run. I concentrate on what I Can have as opposed to what makes me feel yucky. Good fats are a must! Fruits, Veggies and significant protein are what I have found does the trick. I'm sure none of this comes as a huge surprise - what did come as a pleasant surprise was how good I started feeling after changing my WOE for Life -- not just for now until I lose weight.... Life! Yep -- now, I indulge in a sweet thing now and then and sure as shootin' pay the piper in dragging my backside around from a few days. Find what makes You feel good and what You can sustain.2
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Hormones play an important role in metabolism, but you're misinformed. If one's hormones were responding correctly and one ate in surplus even without grains or sugar, they'd get fat.have you heard of the NSNG way of eating (No Sugar No Grain) - it's not a 'low carb' diet - you basically don't eat sugars or grains (wheat, rice, pasta, flour, oats - etc). Research grains and sugar and what they do to the body. It's not the food that makes us fat, it's hormones that are disrupted by the FOODs that we eat!
But again, if one surpluses on them, they will GAIN WEIGHT.Fat is NOT the enemy - healthy fats (NOT CRAPPY FATS like vegetable oil, corn oil, partially hydrogenated oils -etc) are actually good for you. Avacados, heavy whipping cream, butter, bacon, beef, chicken thighs, olives- all good for you.
That's because you're eliminated carbs.NSNG is not a low carb diet, but from eating the right foods, carbs are automatically lowered. If you want more info, message me and I'll send you a link
What? How is that crazy? Ensuring that one's macros and micros fit a person's way of life is crazy? Please explain?For the person who said "This site is based on calorie reduction...with guidelines on nutritional macros (fiber, sodium, protein, etc.) to aim for...and promoting it in a SUSTAINABLE way." THAT Is a crazy diet.
Sorry but you're dead wrong. It IS sustainable IF one continues habitual behavior. Weight gain occurs when one no longer follows any program. It's MUCH better to have a program where one feels like it's not so restrictive that they don't feel like a social leper, or they feel they are missing out. That's why calorie counting works well for many people.calorie reduction is impossible to sustain. If it wasn't - jenny craig, weight watchers and all of those other 'calorie counting' diets would not be making money and getting repeat clients. Why? We all know, once you go back to eating all those calories, you gain the weight back.
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watch some videos on sugars and grains by gary taubes - you will learn a lot and change the way you eat
http://garytaubes.com/2016/12/widespread-praise-for-the-case-against-sugar/
Please don't get your information from Taubes.17 -
You all need to take it easy when someone is reaching out.12
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Are you getting this advice from a MD, a dietician, or an alternative medicine provider?3
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You all need to take it easy when someone is reaching out.
I think alot of people are just concerned. If a doctor says you can eat all the meat and vegetables you want but can't eat things that are white or off white that sends up red flags. Never in my life have I heard of any competent doctor recommending eating or not eating based on color, that is not something a medical professional would do. I asked my doctor this morning and it said it was probably an alternative medicine provider that gave the recommendations.8 -
watch some videos on sugars and grains by gary taubes - you will learn a lot and change the way you eat
http://garytaubes.com/2016/12/widespread-praise-for-the-case-against-sugar/
Taubes is a moron12 -
This is the diet I've been on and, so far, one I find not at all "crazy" or "impossible." In a little over two months, I've lost 18 pounds. It's also the diet both my father's and my husband's doctors recommended for them. As others have said, I think the low carb daily forum is probably the best place to find others who are on a similar diet.
Things I've found helpful on the diet so far have been:
1.) Starting the day with a protein-packed breakfast (eggs are my best friend)
2.) Replacing all my sugary drinks with seltzer and lemon water
3.) Using zucchini or squash "noodles" in place of regular pasta. They are actually more flavorful and keep me full longer!
4.) Keeping almonds stashed in my desk drawer and string cheese in the work fridge for days when I need a filling snack.
5.) Understanding that sometimes, a replacement won't do, so eating a sugary treat or a piece of pizza is not the end of the world. Just get back in the saddle.
Lots of others have great tips, too. Once you get used to finding replacements for your usual sugary and carby treats, it's not as hard as it seems.
Good luck to you!5 -
Sandtigress wrote: »Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
Oh, also you'd be surprised how many people jump onto any kind of diet with little to no research.4 -
Sandtigress wrote: »Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
The reason people don't sit down with a tub of butter and go to town is because butter doesn't taste good on it's on. It's great ON stuff, but is pretty gross on it it's own. Just like mustard. Love mustard on a sandwich but would never eat it on it's own. Or syrup. I put lots of syrup on my pancakes but I've never just guzzled a bottle of it (although I did once chug a whole bottle of Hershey's chocolate syrup as part of an eating challenge).
Also, about half the calories in ice cream are from fat. Not sure why everyone thinks ice cream is basically all sugar.12
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