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This discussion has become slightly rude. Thank you for the advice and whats important. It was a diet that I ran across while looking at different diets. And was merely explaining what I had read about it and was wondering if anyone had any success with it. That was it. This was my first post and probably will be my last. Didnt come here to ridiculed, maybe educated and get some advice from others with more dieting experience than I have.
MFP's forum participants are a large, diverse group of people who have varied backgrounds/histories/education/goals etc. I've been a part of numerous forums, and hands down the group of people that hang out on MFP are the most solid bunch that I've interacted with, and I learn new things here all the time. Also, MFP has a large group of successful maintainers, which is an incredibly valuable resource.
Along with that though, there will be lots of bunny trails, opinions, disagreements, mis-reading tone, strong feelings about certain topics etc that also happen. It's just part of the experience and the good definitely outweighs any negatives
OP I hope you stick around and continue to read through the threads/participate!1 -
Dont forget us Aussies Kriss, it's 10am Monday morning here. It gets awfully lonesome on the forums on Oz time :sad:2
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So basically what I am reading is, it doesnt really matter what time of day you eat. All that matters is your calorie deficit. And you should lose weight? Granted you are eating the proper foods and not junk. Maybe it would be easier if someone would send me a message and explain it to me, if thats not correct. And in exercising you have to burn more calories than you consume, right?
Weight loss is a fairly straightforward process-the only thing that needs to happen is that you're at the correct calorie deficit for your weight loss goals. Meal timing and meal frequency don't matter. What kinds of foods you eat don't matter either. The only thing that matters is that calorie deficit
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It doesn't matter what time of day you eat for weight loss. Experiment to find what is most comfortable for you personally for satiety and comfort.So basically what I am reading is, it doesnt really matter what time of day you eat. All that matters is your calorie deficit. And you should lose weight? Granted you are eating the proper foods and not junk. Maybe it would be easier if someone would send me a message and explain it to me, if thats not correct. And in exercising you have to burn more calories than you consume, right?
I aim for 80% of my calories from nutrient-dense foods and 20% treats. That lets me still eat all of my favorite things in moderation.
Exercise is great but you can lose weight even without exercise. Your body burns calories just by breathing and moving. You need to eat less than your body uses overall and exercise is only a part of that.4 -
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Thank you. This is all new to me. I thought I had to be on a special diet, exercise plan, diet pills, ect. to boost my metabolism to lose weight. Lol.
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Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »@brittaut
You are pretty much right, but you can eat junk.
I lost 117 pounds and i did it while still eating cake, cookies, ice cream, mcdonalds, Etc, you just have to plan ahead and make it work into your calories.
If you are a social butterfly type and you find you go out with friends regularly.
you can also do a weekly goal.
So it would be your calories that MFP gives you to eat x 7.
since my calories per day are 2000 i would x 7 that number and get 14,000 calories per week... and then if i had a girls night i could eat MORE then 2000 calories as long as by the end of my 7 days i was still under 14,000 calories. make sense?
So i could do
Monday - 1837 calories
Tuesday - 1837 kcal
Wednesday - 3500 - Friends night
Thursday - 1625 kcal
friday - 1625kcal
Saturday - 1675 kcal
Sunday - 1901 kcal
= 14,000
Yes, that makes sense! I had no clue it worked that way. Haha.2 -
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So basically what I am reading is, it doesnt really matter what time of day you eat. All that matters is your calorie deficit. And you should lose weight? Granted you are eating the proper foods and not junk. Maybe it would be easier if someone would send me a message and explain it to me, if thats not correct. And in exercising you have to burn more calories than you consume, right?
Actually you're almost there... but not quite.
To lose weight, ALL that matters is that you create a calorie deficit.
PERIOD.
FULL STOP.
Then the fun starts.
Because it is a simple concept: "create a calorie deficit".
But it is hard to implement.
In an appropriate manner so as to both succeed and minimize undesired side effects.
And the debate starts on how to "best" achieve all that!
Note that the concepts of "calorie deficit" and "losing weight" do not address the concepts of "quality of nutrition" and of "meeting one's nutritional needs".
So yes. Create a deficit = lose weight. Whether you eat "junk" or "proper" food. Whether you eat at midnight or at 7am. Whether you eat once, or 50 times in a day.
But some people can't go to bed on a full stomach, and other people can't go to bed on an empty stomach.
Regardless, they will all lose weight if at the end of the day/week/month/year they truly spend more calories than they absorb.6 -
Thank you. This is all new to me. I thought I had to be on a special diet, exercise plan, diet pills, ect. to boost my metabolism to lose weight. Lol.
I think many of us thought the same at one time or another. Losing weight doesn't mean suffering or starving or spending hours everyday at the gym.
It's simply calories in V calories out.
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So basically what I am reading is, it doesnt really matter what time of day you eat. All that matters is your calorie deficit. And you should lose weight? Granted you are eating the proper foods and not junk. Maybe it would be easier if someone would send me a message and explain it to me, if thats not correct. And in exercising you have to burn more calories than you consume, right?
You can eat junk too. I have candy, chips, pizza, donuts etc. and I still lose weight. I just watch my caloric deficit. When I add strength training I'll add more protein, but I'll still eat my ice cream
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To be more precise, I lost 100lbs in 6 months. I drank a lot of water and didn't drive or use the bus, I just biked everywhere. And kept a schedule.0 -
So what are factors that involve people gaining weight and being overweight or obese? Not enough exercise for their calorie intake? Now I have many questions, lol.0
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So what are factors that involve people gaining weight and being overweight or obese? Not enough exercise for their calorie intake? Now I have many questions, lol.
So many different things can come into play for weight gain, and it really will vary between people. For me personally-it was just not understanding how calories actually worked-more specifically what those words 'serving size' actually meant Once I figured that out though, losing the extra 50lbs was a fairly easy process. 0 -
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I'm a grazer. I ate restaurant food once or twice per day and snacked when I was bored without keeping track. I don't exercise.So what are factors that involve people gaining weight and being overweight or obese? Not enough exercise for their calorie intake? Now I have many questions, lol.
It just takes a couple hundred extra calories per day to slowly gain weight and that can add up over the years.
I've lost about 130 pounds over the last 2 years by reducing my calorie intake. I eat Lean Cuisine and steam-in-bag veggies rather than restaurant meals and drink tea when I'm bored. I keep track of everything that goes into my mouth. I still don't exercise in any organized way but I try to move around more.
A good place to start is to log your current way of eating. You can then look back through and see where you might trim some calories by eating smaller portions of calorie-dense foods and/or making satisfying substitutions.2 -
Going over calorie intake period. As long as I don't go over my calorie deficit, I'll lose weight without exercise. It's better for your overall health, but for weight loss it's not necessary.So what are factors that involve people gaining weight and being overweight or obese? Not enough exercise for their calorie intake? Now I have many questions, lol.0 -
crzycatlady1 wrote: »So what are factors that involve people gaining weight and being overweight or obese? Not enough exercise for their calorie intake? Now I have many questions, lol.
So many different things can come into play for weight gain, and it really will vary between people. For me personally-it was just not understanding how calories actually worked-more specifically what those words 'serving size' actually meant Once I figured that out though, losing the extra 50lbs was a fairly easy process.
Thats amazing. Congratulations! I hope its fairly easy for me too! I've never been successful but I've never really counted calories either. This app has helped me with that. I just joined a month ago. Did it good for 2 weeks and quit because I was trying too hard to figure out what foods I could eat. Which became hard with having a family. Thought I couldnt eat a lot of stuff.3 -
crzycatlady1 wrote: »So what are factors that involve people gaining weight and being overweight or obese? Not enough exercise for their calorie intake? Now I have many questions, lol.
So many different things can come into play for weight gain, and it really will vary between people. For me personally-it was just not understanding how calories actually worked-more specifically what those words 'serving size' actually meant Once I figured that out though, losing the extra 50lbs was a fairly easy process.
This^ portion control was a huge obstacle for me at first. I actually counted out chips until I could eyeball a serving LMAO
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Yes, I would agree, keeping a record is vey helpful in working out what will work for you. Weighing all solids and measuring all liquids will help you learn about portion sizes. Just remember that not all food entries on mfp are accurate, check the label to make sure it looks right.ooo3
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Yes, I would agree, keeping a record is vey helpful in working out what will work for you. Weighing all solids and measuring all liquids will help you learn about portion sizes. Just remember that not all food entries on mfp are accurate, check the label to make sure it looks right.ooo
Yes! I did learn to watch the labels and what this app says. One of my first entries was a salad and the app told me it was some ridiculous amount and very high in sugar.0 -
There have been some recent studies that show its not only about the math (expend more than you consume). Several studies have been replicated that have a control group who eats, say 1500 calories, and a test group who eats the same amount of calories (even the same foods) but they eat the larger portions in the morning and lighter portions (meals) in the evening. The test groups always lose more weight. Here is one of the studies.
http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v37/n4/full/ijo2012229a.html3 -
It took me a few months to get in the swing of calorie counting and identifying correct entries, and after i nailed that i finally relented and started using a food scale for everything i ate. It might seem overwhelming at first, but i promise you it will become like second nature soon enough.
It takes me not even a few minutes to prelog my day every morning.1 -
andreatm777 wrote: »There have been some recent studies that show its not only about the math (expend more than you consume). Several studies have been replicated that have a control group who eats, say 1500 calories, and a test group who eats the same amount of calories (even the same foods) but they eat the larger portions in the morning and lighter portions (meals) in the evening. The test groups always lose more weight. Here is one of the studies.
http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v37/n4/full/ijo2012229a.html
Will read the link, but what about those of us who don't eat at all in the morning?
eta: can't access the link without paying, so going to pass on reading it.0 -
crzycatlady1 wrote: »andreatm777 wrote: »There have been some recent studies that show its not only about the math (expend more than you consume). Several studies have been replicated that have a control group who eats, say 1500 calories, and a test group who eats the same amount of calories (even the same foods) but they eat the larger portions in the morning and lighter portions (meals) in the evening. The test groups always lose more weight. Here is one of the studies.
http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v37/n4/full/ijo2012229a.html
Will read the link, but what about those of us who don't eat at all in the morning?
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We're screwed
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Christine_72 wrote: »crzycatlady1 wrote: »andreatm777 wrote: »There have been some recent studies that show its not only about the math (expend more than you consume). Several studies have been replicated that have a control group who eats, say 1500 calories, and a test group who eats the same amount of calories (even the same foods) but they eat the larger portions in the morning and lighter portions (meals) in the evening. The test groups always lose more weight. Here is one of the studies.
http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v37/n4/full/ijo2012229a.html
Will read the link, but what about those of us who don't eat at all in the morning?
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We're screwed It still weirds my husband out that I don't eat in the morning, he's a definite breakfast first thing person! 0 -
metalmeow1 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
There's really no misinterpretation of what you're saying, here. You're claiming that eating before bed can be a direct cause of weight gain, even if someone is under their calorie allotment for the day. And I'm saying that's malarkey.metalmeow1 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
Let me restate it then.metalmeow1 wrote: »
I said for many it is essential. I didn't say one size fits all.snickerscharlie wrote: »But you stated:metalmeow1 wrote: »CICO; meal order is irrelevant as long as your dinner is several hours before bedtime and you weigh yourself before dinner.
This is definitely not a requirement for everyone, even though it may be how things work best for you.
You said:
"CICO; meal order is irrelevant as long as your dinner is several hours before bedtime." This statement implies that if you eat right before going to sleep, you're doing something incorrectly, which isn't accurate.
As outlined above, I eat right until bedtime. This is when I prefer to eat, and have saved up calories in my day to allow for this. I also lost 75 in under a year several years ago and reached my goal weight eating in this manner.
So to clarify for those reading along:
Meal timing is irrelevant to weight management and is a matter of personal preference only.
I said nothing wrong, I've reread what I said many times. I'm not responsible for your interpretation of what I'm saying, I'm only responsible what I'm saying... And what I'm saying is, again, eating just before bed increases odds of discomfort, broken sleep, and yes, weight gain.
If you have evidence of this other than your N=1, I'd welcome the opportunity to read it.
Otherwise, I will continue to uphold the fact that meal timing is irrelevant to weight loss.
You're not misinterpreting, now... You're flat out lying. Where did I ever once say "that eating before bed can be a direct cause of weight gain, even if someone is under their calorie allotment for the day."? AGAIN, the first part of my statement, which you are cherry picking, exaggerating, and distorting, said CICO (calories in, calories out.) Why would I say CICO if CICO was voided in any way by anything? Why, I dunno, you must be bored. All I said was for those on a schedule, we are less likely to wake up mid-slumber due to gaseous discomfort and bathroom breaks.
For me, if i eat too close to bed i do wake up more than usual during the night, and i get up to pee more too. I also weigh higher on the scales the next morning, obviously not fat gain, but undigested food weight.2 -
Yes, I would agree, keeping a record is vey helpful in working out what will work for you. Weighing all solids and measuring all liquids will help you learn about portion sizes. Just remember that not all food entries on mfp are accurate, check the label to make sure it looks right.ooo
Yes! I did learn to watch the labels and what this app says. One of my first entries was a salad and the app told me it was some ridiculous amount and very high in sugar.
Unless it was a salad from a chain or something, you should be inputting all of your ingredients seperately after weighing them. Many salads are high calorie and high sugar.2 -
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Yes, I would agree, keeping a record is vey helpful in working out what will work for you. Weighing all solids and measuring all liquids will help you learn about portion sizes. Just remember that not all food entries on mfp are accurate, check the label to make sure it looks right.ooo
Yes! I did learn to watch the labels and what this app says. One of my first entries was a salad and the app told me it was some ridiculous amount and very high in sugar.
Unless it was a salad from a chain or something, you should be inputting all of your ingredients seperately after weighing them. Many salads are high calorie and high sugar.
Yes, all I had in my salad was romaine lettuce and a few tomatoes. So after that I learned to enter certain things in seperate.0
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