Why so much despise for bodybuilders
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"We don't care about PF, we're freaks"
EDIT: His language isn't the best in a few places so don't play without headphones or around young people.
Just something lighthearted. No malice intended. Genova is pissening. Sickening. Addictivinnening0 -
Most days the MFP boards sound like a bunch of high school drama queens looking for someone to pick on.
I always giggle to myself when someone mentions: ectomorph, eating clean or muscle confusion.
You can bet your last that penny someone will come along and point out their mistake to make themselves feel more superior.
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I am not a bodybuilder but I am a bodybuilding fan. I was also a member of planet fitness for a few years. planet fitness is marketed towards regular people who casually work out. seeing athletes in there would run them off. yes their slogan about not judging is total judgement but whatever. that gym isn't set up for extreme athletes anyway. you would be miserable there. as for people hating bodybuilders I think that's multifaceted. you have the people who are intimidated by overly muscular people. you have the people who cant imagine dedicating that much of their life to creating a physique like that of bodybuilders. you have people who believe we have evolved into intellectual beings now and you must be stupid if you focus on your body like that " hulk lift heavy thing". then you have people who just don't find it attractive. a real bodybuilder is extreme. the lifestyle is extreme the physique is EXTREME. if you choose to be extreme you cant expect regular people to understand your life style. each time you feel that you are in a non bodybuilder friendly situation just remember its because you are extreme and its really a compliment. it says you are doing your job and have a physique beyond those around you. do what you love man. be extreme. as I said I'm not a body builder and I have been talked down to by a couple of girls at work because I am in shape and was wearing a tank top outside. they said I was showing off. I was offended and told them that just because their husbands were too fat to wear a tank top didn't mean that's what men are supposed to look like. then I felt like a *kitten* because I have nothing against either of their husbands who are both nice guys. I realized that the girls were simply ashamed of their own chubby bodies and pushing that onto me. so it was actually an accidental compliment to me.3
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There are a couple of competitive bodybuilders at my gym...never seen anyone give them any grief...they're natty though.2
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My advice is do what makes you happy, not for the validation or happiness of others.1 -
Most days the MFP boards sound like a bunch of high school drama queens looking for someone to pick on.
I always giggle to myself when someone mentions: ectomorph, eating clean or muscle confusion.
You can bet your last that penny someone will come along and point out their mistake to make themselves feel more superior.
I didn't realize helping correct misinformation was only done to make me feel superior. Huh, learn something new every day.10 -
Most days the MFP boards sound like a bunch of high school drama queens looking for someone to pick on.
I always giggle to myself when someone mentions: ectomorph, eating clean or muscle confusion.
You can bet your last that penny someone will come along and point out their mistake to make themselves feel more superior.
But... But... I'm a clean-eating ectomorph, who's not seeing gains BECAUSE of muscle confusion... I feel so... Discriminated against.4 -
FindingAwesome wrote: »
But... But... I'm a clean-eating ectomorph, who's not seeing gains BECAUSE of muscle confusion... I feel so... Discriminated against.
it's cos you have a fast metabolism
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I'm sorry you are feeling rejected. You have amazing talent and drive being driven to build that much muscle. Just be you!0
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Bry_Lander wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »Planet Fitness doesn’t discriminate against anyone. If you follow their rules of behavior, you can work out there, bodybuilder or otherwise. Discrimination is disparate treatment for characteristics that a person cannot change (or reasonably should not have to change), like race, sex, nationality, sexual orientation, religion, etc. The prohibition against ripped up string tank tops, do-rags, milk jugs full of workout drinks, work boots, grunting, sneering, etc., is not discriminatory, so let’s not fabricate faux outrage against a nonexistent victim class.
PF’s business model is a reaction to something that actually exists: *kitten* behavior in gyms. A lot of that behavior is associated with bodybuilders and powerlifters. I have been a gym rat for over 30 years and have seen a full range of bad behavior, and admittedly even added to it in my teens and 20s when I was more alpha about lifting. In reality, some people just go to a gym to exercise, without attitude and narcissism – that is PF’s target market, and there is nothing wrong with that. There are usually plenty of other gym options available.
are you daft?
their entire business model is based on judging and isolating anyone serious about any aspect of fitness.
“Serious fitness” is an arbitrary term. Failing to stock certain types of equipment isn’t judgmental behavior, and beyond that, nothing that PF prohibits will impair your “serious fitness” endeavors.
I honestly fail to understand how PF triggers such hostility. Let the fabricated victimization go, PF does not have a monopoly on gyms, there are other options.
I'm not a bodybuilder or power lifter or anything like that...but I am serious about my fitness and athleticism. I learned to Oly lift in highschool when I was a track and field sprinter and jumper...Olympic lifting made me a much better athlete...Olympic lifts are one of the best things that an athlete that requires explosiveness can do...they are one of the best things that anyone seriously into fitness can do for themselves...but according to PF it is "lunk" behavior and those awesome lifts aren't allowed 'cuz it will be scary or something for other people.
smh...there's a 70 year old dude at my gym who does cleans and snatches...it's friggin' awesome...and oh so scary and intimidating...
Some of the fittest athletes that I have ever been associated with were in the military, and this level of fitness was obtained with only a minor amount of gym activity. There are countless paths to being fit; Olympic weight lifting is certainly one of them, but not the only one. There are countless guys doing bodyweight resistance exercises in prison cells right now that are totally jacked, you can get great results being consistent and working hard, with or without a particular set of equipment.
some damn fat people in the military too.
people who want to be fit find a way to be fit.
People who don't- won't.2 -
"We don't care about PF, we're freaks"
EDIT: His language isn't the best in a few places so don't play without headphones or around young people.
Just something lighthearted. No malice intended. Genova is pissening. Sickening. Addictivinnening
is this the iron sport spoof on planet fitness?
I can't see it on my computer b/c video is blocked at work- but if it is- I've been to that gym- it's *kitten* rad.0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »Why the despise for people who want to bodybuild? Shoot there is even a gym (PLANET FITNESS) that pretty much says bodybuilders are NOT welcome in their facilities. Even though there slogan is "NO JUDGMENT ZONE" is that hypocrisy?
There would be no Planet Fitness if regular folks wanting to workout were not fat shamed for years and years in bodybuilder type gyms.
Just sayin.
Jesus, do I go to the only gyms that aren't loaded with *kitten*? I've used two Gold's, a couple if small PL gyms, and a YMCA. When I was fat at 265? Nothing but encouragement and advice. When I got to 150 and looked emaciated and terrible? Nothing but encouragement and advice. Now that I am 167 and actually look like I might have picked up a barbell once or twice? I just get left alone.
Seriously, if my broad experience is anything to go by, it's probably more people feeling insecure and shaming themselves, than anyone doing so to them.
Totally agree!! I've never seen anyone fat shamed at a gym. You are right they are more likely shaming themselves. I've always encountered support for people overweight!
I'll go as far as saying that skinny men and women are called out more than people overweight.
There were a couple of people recently that fat shamed someone in a very public way. Dani Mathers and Diana Andrews. As you said, everyone judges and there is shaming on all sides.
I rest my case. The fat shaming at gyms was legion, therefore some smart person invented Planet Fitness and its the fastest growing gym in the country I believe. I just wish it was my idea LOL3 -
I don't know if people actually hate bodybuilders, especially on MFP, but people do feel pretty free to hate on their bodies, make rude comments like "ew, too many muscles" in a way they wouldn't dare talk about other people. I think it's a combination of basic discomfort with seeing an extreme body type, but also a lot of judgement about anyone who very clearly puts so much time and work into aesthetics.
A lot of people get behind the idea that fitness should be about longevity, quality of life, etc. and that it's morally inferior or something to exercise for the purpose of changing your body shape. I definitely see that tension on MFP- people get pretty judgey. I am not into bodybuilding but personally find vanity and competition super motivating.
I don't know anything about Planet Fitness, but most gyms definitely protect their business model and culture. People who don't fit in will feel unwelcome. Not quite discrimination, more like tribalism.1 -
menotyou56 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »Why the despise for people who want to bodybuild? Shoot there is even a gym (PLANET FITNESS) that pretty much says bodybuilders are NOT welcome in their facilities. Even though there slogan is "NO JUDGMENT ZONE" is that hypocrisy?
There would be no Planet Fitness if regular folks wanting to workout were not fat shamed for years and years in bodybuilder type gyms.
Just sayin.
Jesus, do I go to the only gyms that aren't loaded with *kitten*? I've used two Gold's, a couple if small PL gyms, and a YMCA. When I was fat at 265? Nothing but encouragement and advice. When I got to 150 and looked emaciated and terrible? Nothing but encouragement and advice. Now that I am 167 and actually look like I might have picked up a barbell once or twice? I just get left alone.
Seriously, if my broad experience is anything to go by, it's probably more people feeling insecure and shaming themselves, than anyone doing so to them.
Totally agree!! I've never seen anyone fat shamed at a gym. You are right they are more likely shaming themselves. I've always encountered support for people overweight!
I'll go as far as saying that skinny men and women are called out more than people overweight.
There were a couple of people recently that fat shamed someone in a very public way. Dani Mathers and Diana Andrews. As you said, everyone judges and there is shaming on all sides.
I rest my case. The fat shaming at gyms was legion, therefore some smart person invented Planet Fitness and its the fastest growing gym in the country I believe. I just wish it was my idea LOL
one could argue that people- men and women alike have been mocking body builders (Women especially) for years as well. If we create a fit people only gym is it acceptable?0 -
menotyou56 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »Why the despise for people who want to bodybuild? Shoot there is even a gym (PLANET FITNESS) that pretty much says bodybuilders are NOT welcome in their facilities. Even though there slogan is "NO JUDGMENT ZONE" is that hypocrisy?
There would be no Planet Fitness if regular folks wanting to workout were not fat shamed for years and years in bodybuilder type gyms.
Just sayin.
Jesus, do I go to the only gyms that aren't loaded with *kitten*? I've used two Gold's, a couple if small PL gyms, and a YMCA. When I was fat at 265? Nothing but encouragement and advice. When I got to 150 and looked emaciated and terrible? Nothing but encouragement and advice. Now that I am 167 and actually look like I might have picked up a barbell once or twice? I just get left alone.
Seriously, if my broad experience is anything to go by, it's probably more people feeling insecure and shaming themselves, than anyone doing so to them.
Totally agree!! I've never seen anyone fat shamed at a gym. You are right they are more likely shaming themselves. I've always encountered support for people overweight!
I'll go as far as saying that skinny men and women are called out more than people overweight.
There were a couple of people recently that fat shamed someone in a very public way. Dani Mathers and Diana Andrews. As you said, everyone judges and there is shaming on all sides.
I rest my case. The fat shaming at gyms was legion, therefore some smart person invented Planet Fitness and its the fastest growing gym in the country I believe. I just wish it was my idea LOL
one could argue that people- men and women alike have been mocking body builders (Women especially) for years as well. If we create a fit people only gym is it acceptable?
I like this! Great point!0 -
FindingAwesome wrote: »
But... But... I'm a clean-eating ectomorph, who's not seeing gains BECAUSE of muscle confusion... I feel so... Discriminated against.
it's cos you have a fast metabolism
Clearly needs more Weight Gain 4000.
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"We don't care about PF, we're freaks"
EDIT: His language isn't the best in a few places so don't play without headphones or around young people.
Just something lighthearted. No malice intended. Genova is pissening. Sickening. Addictivinnening
is this the iron sport spoof on planet fitness?
I can't see it on my computer b/c video is blocked at work- but if it is- I've been to that gym- it's *kitten* rad.
Nope just a clip from the fringe-internet Iron Extortionist known as Jason Genova from Delray beach, Fl. Rumour has it that he sleeps in mid air; upside down suspended from the jaws of two very angry jackals. http://genovapedia.org/0 -
I don't know if people actually hate bodybuilders, especially on MFP, but people do feel pretty free to hate on their bodies, make rude comments like "ew, too many muscles" in a way they wouldn't dare talk about other people. I think it's a combination of basic discomfort with seeing an extreme body type, but also a lot of judgement about anyone who very clearly puts so much time and work into aesthetics.
A lot of people get behind the idea that fitness should be about longevity, quality of life, etc. and that it's morally inferior or something to exercise for the purpose of changing your body shape. I definitely see that tension on MFP- people get pretty judgey. I am not into bodybuilding but personally find vanity and competition super motivating.
I don't know anything about Planet Fitness, but most gyms definitely protect their business model and culture. People who don't fit in will feel unwelcome. Not quite discrimination, more like tribalism.
You know I read this post and was all fired up to challenge you on a couple of points.....then I did what a lot of folks should do......I checked myself.....I cant disagree with anything you said as much as I might want to. As a species, humans pretty much suck at treating people who are different than them well.5 -
FindingAwesome wrote: »
But... But... I'm a clean-eating ectomorph, who's not seeing gains BECAUSE of muscle confusion... I feel so... Discriminated against.
it's cos you have a fast metabolism
And I'm genetically gifted.0 -
For the same reason there are body builders and competitive athletes who think those that exercise casually and don't get overly obsessed with their diet are lazy, or automatically assume that everyone that is overweight is out of shape. I actually had someone on this site tell me that person who runs marathons and ultra-marathons but happens to be overweight doesn't take their sport seriously.
Personally I don't like how bodybuilders look, and I prefer guys that are thinner rather than bulky. The sight of veins popping out all over the place totally skeeves me out and they feel really gross! For myself, I like enough fat on my bones to keep my curves. To each their own
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crooked_left_hook wrote: »For the same reason there are body builders and competitive athletes who think those that exercise casually and don't get overly obsessed with their diet are lazy, or automatically assume that everyone that is overweight is out of shape. I actually had someone on this site tell me that person who runs marathons and ultra-marathons but happens to be overweight doesn't take their sport seriously.
Personally I don't like how bodybuilders look, and I prefer guys that are thinner rather than bulky. The sight of veins popping out all over the place totally skeeves me out and they feel really gross! For myself, I like enough fat on my bones to keep my curves. To each their own
And for nurses that vascularity is a sight for sore eyes. It's all a difference in personal preferences. I don't equate my personal preferences for male (or female) physique to equal hatred or distain for those that don't fit into it. I do, however, find that even the best looking people become ugly when their attitude and ego are regularly sucking the life out of the room.7 -
I don't know if people actually hate bodybuilders, especially on MFP, but people do feel pretty free to hate on their bodies, make rude comments like "ew, too many muscles" in a way they wouldn't dare talk about other people. I think it's a combination of basic discomfort with seeing an extreme body type, but also a lot of judgement about anyone who very clearly puts so much time and work into aesthetics.
A lot of people get behind the idea that fitness should be about longevity, quality of life, etc. and that it's morally inferior or something to exercise for the purpose of changing your body shape. I definitely see that tension on MFP- people get pretty judgey. I am not into bodybuilding but personally find vanity and competition super motivating.
I don't know anything about Planet Fitness, but most gyms definitely protect their business model and culture. People who don't fit in will feel unwelcome. Not quite discrimination, more like tribalism.
I think that the people who most despise PF have never actually set foot in one, it is just a target of convenience because something offended them about their commercials.
I had never been in one before until a few months ago when my gym was acquired by PF. I resisted going and tried out 3-4 other local gyms before I gave it a try, and in reality, it is not that different than other gyms. The people look about the same as they do in your average neighborhood rec center, there are varying ages and levels of fitness.
There is no bouncer at the door turning bodybuilders away, Mr. Olympia could come in and workout without any issues as long as he followed the basic rules, which are nowhere near as restrictive as people dramatically claim they are.
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Bry_Lander wrote: »I don't know if people actually hate bodybuilders, especially on MFP, but people do feel pretty free to hate on their bodies, make rude comments like "ew, too many muscles" in a way they wouldn't dare talk about other people. I think it's a combination of basic discomfort with seeing an extreme body type, but also a lot of judgement about anyone who very clearly puts so much time and work into aesthetics.
A lot of people get behind the idea that fitness should be about longevity, quality of life, etc. and that it's morally inferior or something to exercise for the purpose of changing your body shape. I definitely see that tension on MFP- people get pretty judgey. I am not into bodybuilding but personally find vanity and competition super motivating.
I don't know anything about Planet Fitness, but most gyms definitely protect their business model and culture. People who don't fit in will feel unwelcome. Not quite discrimination, more like tribalism.
I think that the people who most despise PF have never actually set foot in one, it is just a target of convenience because something offended them about their commercials.
I had never been in one before until a few months ago when my gym was acquired by PF. I resisted going and tried out 3-4 other local gyms before I gave it a try, and in reality, it is not that different than other gyms. The people look about the same as they do in your average neighborhood rec center, there are varying ages and levels of fitness.
There is no bouncer at the door turning bodybuilders away, Mr. Olympia could come in and workout without any issues as long as he followed the basic rules, which are nowhere near as restrictive as people dramatically claim they are.
I have been in one. I wouldn't want to train there- it's not my vibe.
BEING SAID:
it's a great 'starter' gym- or a great second gym (actually it's effing brilliant for a second gym membership if that's what you need).
I 100% disagree with the marketing- and I think if I don't like someone's marketing choice- I have a right to have that opinion- and not spend my money there. Hell I've boycotted products for less. (I refuse to eat at mcdonalds b/c corporate HQ lobbies with people for anti handgun laws)- so personal discrimination against someone's life choices is kind of wack. I don't have to have stepped foot in it to fundamentally be opposed to the gym and not want to spend my money there.3 -
How do I say this; Bodybuilding is something some people aspire to, many do not.
Like many other things including tattoos, many people like them, good for them, for me most of tattoos leave me scratching my head at why someone in their right mind would do that, but it is their body so that is on them. I do not want a tattoo, so I am not going to get one, at the same time I am probably not going to get into chat groups about tattoos.
Well MFP concentrates on fitness, and within fitness, some people see bodybuilders and say, yeah that is not me, and are going to avoid many of them. Some of them are also going to discredit any advice from bodybuilders under fear of going down that road. (Kind of like women that lift weights, stop looking like women. Completely false, but many people still believe it.) Good or Bad we all have preconceptions, and we all make decisions (sometime unconsciously) on those preconceptions.
Planet Fitness it trying to create a cheap gym that attracts marginal fitness people. Meaning the vast majority of their members will sign up, and then never go, but they are still paying. And while some will be there regularly they are not normally huge bodybuilders, so the occasional fitness people can walk in and not be too intimidated, they can still feel like they fit in among people of a similar fitness level. Hence why memberships are so cheap that people will keep them and pay for them yet seldom go. As compared to Crossfit where the gyms cost way more, and therefore most members use it, or end the memberships. (I mean an argument could be made for why are there Women Only fitness clubs, because some women do not like working out around or in front of men. It is a demographic, whether we like it or not.)2 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »I don't know if people actually hate bodybuilders, especially on MFP, but people do feel pretty free to hate on their bodies, make rude comments like "ew, too many muscles" in a way they wouldn't dare talk about other people. I think it's a combination of basic discomfort with seeing an extreme body type, but also a lot of judgement about anyone who very clearly puts so much time and work into aesthetics.
A lot of people get behind the idea that fitness should be about longevity, quality of life, etc. and that it's morally inferior or something to exercise for the purpose of changing your body shape. I definitely see that tension on MFP- people get pretty judgey. I am not into bodybuilding but personally find vanity and competition super motivating.
I don't know anything about Planet Fitness, but most gyms definitely protect their business model and culture. People who don't fit in will feel unwelcome. Not quite discrimination, more like tribalism.
I think that the people who most despise PF have never actually set foot in one, it is just a target of convenience because something offended them about their commercials.
I had never been in one before until a few months ago when my gym was acquired by PF. I resisted going and tried out 3-4 other local gyms before I gave it a try, and in reality, it is not that different than other gyms. The people look about the same as they do in your average neighborhood rec center, there are varying ages and levels of fitness.
There is no bouncer at the door turning bodybuilders away, Mr. Olympia could come in and workout without any issues as long as he followed the basic rules, which are nowhere near as restrictive as people dramatically claim they are.
I have been in one. I wouldn't want to train there- it's not my vibe.
BEING SAID:
it's a great 'starter' gym- or a great second gym (actually it's effing brilliant for a second gym membership if that's what you need).
I 100% disagree with the marketing- and I think if I don't like someone's marketing choice- I have a right to have that opinion- and not spend my money there. Hell I've boycotted products for less. (I refuse to eat at mcdonalds b/c corporate HQ lobbies with people for anti handgun laws)- so personal discrimination against someone's life choices is kind of wack. I don't have to have stepped foot in it to fundamentally be opposed to the gym and not want to spend my money there.
If your opposition is purely one based on a dislike of their anti-lunkhead marketing, then you reasonably wouldn't need to set foot in one to validate that dislike. If your opposition is based upon other people's opinions that they somehow treat bodybuilders differently or otherwise create a hostile environment for them, I don't think you could formulate a rational opinion about PF until you actually worked out there.
PF isn't necessarily my "vibe" in a lot of respects, but it does have enough to justify spending $10 a month, including 24 hr availability, a convenient location, respectful members, and a clean environment. I have my grimy work gym (where I spend half the time reracking weights or trying not to touch the filthy walls while showering) to fill the gaps that PF has in terms of equipment.0 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »I don't know if people actually hate bodybuilders, especially on MFP, but people do feel pretty free to hate on their bodies, make rude comments like "ew, too many muscles" in a way they wouldn't dare talk about other people. I think it's a combination of basic discomfort with seeing an extreme body type, but also a lot of judgement about anyone who very clearly puts so much time and work into aesthetics.
A lot of people get behind the idea that fitness should be about longevity, quality of life, etc. and that it's morally inferior or something to exercise for the purpose of changing your body shape. I definitely see that tension on MFP- people get pretty judgey. I am not into bodybuilding but personally find vanity and competition super motivating.
I don't know anything about Planet Fitness, but most gyms definitely protect their business model and culture. People who don't fit in will feel unwelcome. Not quite discrimination, more like tribalism.
I think that the people who most despise PF have never actually set foot in one, it is just a target of convenience because something offended them about their commercials.
I had never been in one before until a few months ago when my gym was acquired by PF. I resisted going and tried out 3-4 other local gyms before I gave it a try, and in reality, it is not that different than other gyms. The people look about the same as they do in your average neighborhood rec center, there are varying ages and levels of fitness.
There is no bouncer at the door turning bodybuilders away, Mr. Olympia could come in and workout without any issues as long as he followed the basic rules, which are nowhere near as restrictive as people dramatically claim they are.
I have been in one. I wouldn't want to train there- it's not my vibe.
BEING SAID:
it's a great 'starter' gym- or a great second gym (actually it's effing brilliant for a second gym membership if that's what you need).
I 100% disagree with the marketing- and I think if I don't like someone's marketing choice- I have a right to have that opinion- and not spend my money there. Hell I've boycotted products for less. (I refuse to eat at mcdonalds b/c corporate HQ lobbies with people for anti handgun laws)- so personal discrimination against someone's life choices is kind of wack. I don't have to have stepped foot in it to fundamentally be opposed to the gym and not want to spend my money there.
Perfectly put.0 -
No-one will read this but I was on the phone with a planet fitness employee inquiring about a membership to which he told me. Before we go any further this isn't a gym for muscle heads and people that slam weights. There is biased at the gym and it stereotypes body builders as lunkylumps with no manors. Not perception this is how it is...they lost my business but I gently put down weights, wipe equipment, and rerack...yhe only reason they don't want body builders because of the way we look and the PERCEIVED behaviors we exhibit0
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Kevoofthehoradrim wrote: »No-one will read this but I was on the phone with a planet fitness employee inquiring about a membership to which he told me. Before we go any further this isn't a gym for muscle heads and people that slam weights. There is biased at the gym and it stereotypes body builders as lunkylumps with no manors. Not perception this is how it is...they lost my business but I gently put down weights, wipe equipment, and rerack...yhe only reason they don't want body builders because of the way we look and the PERCEIVED behaviors we exhibit
I read your post. That sucks. But it probably isn't the "norm." I don't think of bodybuilders in any negative way. The only thing that bothers me is when people lifting weights have to yell and slam down the weights. It's almost like they are hoping for attention. Grunting and breathing hard is one thing (I do that when I take a Zumba class, LOL) But yelling loud enough for the entire gym to take notice and then practically dropping the weight from hip level is just ridiculous.
Yeah, the slamming I never understand but the breathing during some hard work is understandable. I don't agree with everyone despising bodybuilders but planet fitness found a way to market their business by exploiting a group and it's not even bodybuilders they escorted a lady from their gym because people complained she was too fit and intimidating while she was on a treadmill.
I don't get it.
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@BHFF where is this you tube channel you speak of?0
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A lot people see bodybuilders as narcissistic, ego driven, self-important morons.
It's doesn't help when there is a semi-built looking late 20s moron in the gym making loud noises, using bad form, but still looks above average due to his stack. So many guys on gear and they don't even compete. I don't get it?1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skgWZwwaJDQ
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