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Ironandwine69 wrote: »Tape measure never really works well for me because I'm never sure if I'm measuring on the same spot.
Same here. I'm glad I'm not the only one with this issue.
Scale always worked fine for me, but photos and clothes can work too (to supplement OP's point, I guess).
When I started I had a few pairs of jeans, same brand, in different sizes, so used those as motivation. I currently have one tight pair and my next goal is for them to be not tight. I know water weight affects this some, but it still works.4 -
Some people really baffle me on MFP they do not seem to be here for support. But I am sure most people will make up there minds listen to reason and push through to their goals
Couple of questions. 1st, what kind of support is this "First relax, take a huge deep breath and buy these!" How is telling somebody to buy something so supportive, instead of trying to actually explain to them why something is happening to them, and then recommending what to do? Where was the information for what you recommended? You didn't tell anybody why you used them, how to use them to be most accurate, why they are helpful, and how it could help them change what they are doing if they stall is from something like inaccurate logging, or tracking of calories burnt or consumed. 2nd what kind of particular support you are personally looking for with this post?
So yeah I guess I'm missing out on the support part. Because I could easily just make a post saying "buy this" and show a picture of a food scale, but if there isn't any context to it, I'm not supporting anybody, just trying to get somebody to buy something.
Omg!!! Literally the funniest thing I read so far. You assume people cannot think for themselves and YOU are the only one with the intelligence to hold their hand and explain it - like they are a four year old. I give people more respect than that.
Right, so because I would actually like to help somebody figure something out, I'm a wicked smart, hilarious hand holder know it all, but since you told everyone to go buy a body fat measuring kit, with out anyone asking for your help, you are supportive.
I'm not really sure how me wanting to help somebody figure something out when they asks a question makes me that, but hey, I'll take it!
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Some people really baffle me on MFP they do not seem to be here for support. But I am sure most people will make up there minds listen to reason and push through to their goals
Couple of questions. 1st, what kind of support is this "First relax, take a huge deep breath and buy these!" How is telling somebody to buy something so supportive, instead of trying to actually explain to them why something is happening to them, and then recommending what to do? Where was the information for what you recommended? You didn't tell anybody why you used them, how to use them to be most accurate, why they are helpful, and how it could help them change what they are doing if they stall is from something like inaccurate logging, or tracking of calories burnt or consumed. 2nd what kind of particular support you are personally looking for with this post?
So yeah I guess I'm missing out on the support part. Because I could easily just make a post saying "buy this" and show a picture of a food scale, but if there isn't any context to it, I'm not supporting anybody, just trying to get somebody to buy something.
Omg!!! Literally the funniest thing I read so far. You assume people cannot think for themselves and YOU are the only one with the intelligence to hold their hand and explain it - like they are a four year old. I give people more respect than that.
hmmm...
people actually are not that educated on weight loss vs fat loss and how to do it in a healthy manner...so yah we usually explain it...
it's not about respect it's about not being ignorant about these boards and what typically is on them.
most people don't care about bf% btw...they only care about scale weight...7 -
Some people really baffle me on MFP they do not seem to be here for support. But I am sure most people will make up there minds listen to reason and push through to their goals
Couple of questions. 1st, what kind of support is this "First relax, take a huge deep breath and buy these!" How is telling somebody to buy something so supportive, instead of trying to actually explain to them why something is happening to them, and then recommending what to do? Where was the information for what you recommended? You didn't tell anybody why you used them, how to use them to be most accurate, why they are helpful, and how it could help them change what they are doing if they stall is from something like inaccurate logging, or tracking of calories burnt or consumed. 2nd what kind of particular support you are personally looking for with this post?
So yeah I guess I'm missing out on the support part. Because I could easily just make a post saying "buy this" and show a picture of a food scale, but if there isn't any context to it, I'm not supporting anybody, just trying to get somebody to buy something.
Omg!!! Literally the funniest thing I read so far. You assume people cannot think for themselves and YOU are the only one with the intelligence to hold their hand and explain it - like they are a four year old. I give people more respect than that.
hmmm...
people actually are not that educated on weight loss vs fat loss and how to do it in a healthy manner...so yah we usually explain it...
it's not about respect it's about not being ignorant about these boards and what typically is on them.
most people don't care about bf% btw...they only care about scale weight...
But should they? That's all I am saying and trying to say keep motivated don't let the scale stop you. You could be making progress but the scale is making you feel otherwise. It is often water retention that the scale will discourage some when in fact they are making progress. It's not a scale weight people are seeking Its to look and feel better.0 -
Some people really baffle me on MFP they do not seem to be here for support. But I am sure most people will make up there minds listen to reason and push through to their goals
Couple of questions. 1st, what kind of support is this "First relax, take a huge deep breath and buy these!" How is telling somebody to buy something so supportive, instead of trying to actually explain to them why something is happening to them, and then recommending what to do? Where was the information for what you recommended? You didn't tell anybody why you used them, how to use them to be most accurate, why they are helpful, and how it could help them change what they are doing if they stall is from something like inaccurate logging, or tracking of calories burnt or consumed. 2nd what kind of particular support you are personally looking for with this post?
So yeah I guess I'm missing out on the support part. Because I could easily just make a post saying "buy this" and show a picture of a food scale, but if there isn't any context to it, I'm not supporting anybody, just trying to get somebody to buy something.
Omg!!! Literally the funniest thing I read so far. You assume people cannot think for themselves and YOU are the only one with the intelligence to hold their hand and explain it - like they are a four year old. I give people more respect than that.
hmmm...
people actually are not that educated on weight loss vs fat loss and how to do it in a healthy manner...so yah we usually explain it...
it's not about respect it's about not being ignorant about these boards and what typically is on them.
most people don't care about bf% btw...they only care about scale weight...
But should they? That's all I am saying and trying to say keep motivated don't let the scale stop you. You could be making progress but the scale is making you feel otherwise. It is often water retention that the scale will discourage some when in fact they are making progress. It's not a scale weight people are seeking Its to look and feel better.
That goes both ways. Especially with Keto. If you don't know your maintenance figure, and your intake you are just as susceptible to thinking you're making progress when you are, in fact, gaining fat. Granted that's only for the first month or so but it's a pretty critical time to be ignorant to the law (not opinion) of thermodynamics.1 -
I'm not understanding some of the grief directed at the OP. Some people might find the device effective and would like to try it. What's the big deal if they do? Its their money and their weight loss and their lesson to learn if it doesn't work. Its not like he's advocating ACV pills on top of a super low calorie diet. It isn't dangerous, right? Have the ones against the device tried it and found it didn't work? I could understand the protests, then.1
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LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »I'm not understanding some of the grief directed at the OP. Some people might find the device effective and would like to try it. What's the big deal if they do? Its their money and their weight loss and their lesson to learn if it doesn't work. Its not like he's advocating ACV pills on top of a super low calorie diet. It isn't dangerous, right? Have the ones against the device tried it and found it didn't work? I could understand the protests, then.
I think most people have an issue with the substitution of one measuring gadget for another creating more confusion. There are a lot of variables that come into play and the real answer is thermodynamics. No way around that.3 -
Some people really baffle me on MFP they do not seem to be here for support. But I am sure most people will make up there minds listen to reason and push through to their goals
Couple of questions. 1st, what kind of support is this "First relax, take a huge deep breath and buy these!" How is telling somebody to buy something so supportive, instead of trying to actually explain to them why something is happening to them, and then recommending what to do? Where was the information for what you recommended? You didn't tell anybody why you used them, how to use them to be most accurate, why they are helpful, and how it could help them change what they are doing if they stall is from something like inaccurate logging, or tracking of calories burnt or consumed. 2nd what kind of particular support you are personally looking for with this post?
So yeah I guess I'm missing out on the support part. Because I could easily just make a post saying "buy this" and show a picture of a food scale, but if there isn't any context to it, I'm not supporting anybody, just trying to get somebody to buy something.
Omg!!! Literally the funniest thing I read so far. You assume people cannot think for themselves and YOU are the only one with the intelligence to hold their hand and explain it - like they are a four year old. I give people more respect than that.
hmmm...
people actually are not that educated on weight loss vs fat loss and how to do it in a healthy manner...so yah we usually explain it...
it's not about respect it's about not being ignorant about these boards and what typically is on them.
most people don't care about bf% btw...they only care about scale weight...
But should they? That's all I am saying and trying to say keep motivated don't let the scale stop you. You could be making progress but the scale is making you feel otherwise. It is often water retention that the scale will discourage some when in fact they are making progress. It's not a scale weight people are seeking Its to look and feel better.
What happens if your BF% stays the same? and how does that help with the look and feel? Doesn't water retention affect your BF% measurements as well? All serious questions as to why this is the best method.
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These two are pretty useful, and the first one is included in the stickied "must reads" threads that hopefully everyone is reading before they post.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10084670/it-is-unlikely-that-you-will-lose-weight-consistently-i-e-weight-loss-is-not-linear
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10196160/scale-stress-syndrome/p1
But the first post here promises these devices will bring peace of mind, and I don't see how. We've seen a ton of posts that start with some variation on "Help! My body fat % went up 2% this week and everything is terrible!!!!!" Knowing the devices strengths and weaknesses should be an important step before someone runs out and drops money on it. $35 is my weekly grocery budget some months. That's a lot of money to spend on something that may or may not be helpful to me.6 -
Some people really baffle me on MFP they do not seem to be here for support. But I am sure most people will make up there minds listen to reason and push through to their goals
Couple of questions. 1st, what kind of support is this "First relax, take a huge deep breath and buy these!" How is telling somebody to buy something so supportive, instead of trying to actually explain to them why something is happening to them, and then recommending what to do? Where was the information for what you recommended? You didn't tell anybody why you used them, how to use them to be most accurate, why they are helpful, and how it could help them change what they are doing if they stall is from something like inaccurate logging, or tracking of calories burnt or consumed. 2nd what kind of particular support you are personally looking for with this post?
So yeah I guess I'm missing out on the support part. Because I could easily just make a post saying "buy this" and show a picture of a food scale, but if there isn't any context to it, I'm not supporting anybody, just trying to get somebody to buy something.
Omg!!! Literally the funniest thing I read so far. You assume people cannot think for themselves and YOU are the only one with the intelligence to hold their hand and explain it - like they are a four year old. I give people more respect than that.
hmmm...
people actually are not that educated on weight loss vs fat loss and how to do it in a healthy manner...so yah we usually explain it...
it's not about respect it's about not being ignorant about these boards and what typically is on them.
most people don't care about bf% btw...they only care about scale weight...
But should they? That's all I am saying and trying to say keep motivated don't let the scale stop you. You could be making progress but the scale is making you feel otherwise. It is often water retention that the scale will discourage some when in fact they are making progress. It's not a scale weight people are seeking Its to look and feel better.
And what happens when they get wildly varying results from this device due to the afore-mentioned difference in hydration levels and the general inaccuracy of these types of devices? If a person is scared by normal fluctuations on the scale, fluctuations of their perceived body-fat percentage will certainly not help.4 -
LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »I'm not understanding some of the grief directed at the OP. Some people might find the device effective and would like to try it. What's the big deal if they do? Its their money and their weight loss and their lesson to learn if it doesn't work. Its not like he's advocating ACV pills on top of a super low calorie diet. It isn't dangerous, right? Have the ones against the device tried it and found it didn't work? I could understand the protests, then.
I think most people have an issue with the substitution of one measuring gadget for another creating more confusion. There are a lot of variables that come into play and the real answer is thermodynamics. No way around that.
This is the best post on the thread! YES - there are alot of variables in our journey's. So do not rely simply on one means. It is absolutely true that CICO is the only means to lose weight, lose fat. But even during a CICO deficit you can/will run into a situation where the mathematical formula doesnt show on weight scale. The body doesnt seem to respond like computer. But if you are in a CICO deficit, you will lose weight/fat. A BMI/Fat monitor may indicate as such even though the scale says no.0 -
LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »I'm not understanding some of the grief directed at the OP. Some people might find the device effective and would like to try it. What's the big deal if they do? Its their money and their weight loss and their lesson to learn if it doesn't work. Its not like he's advocating ACV pills on top of a super low calorie diet. It isn't dangerous, right? Have the ones against the device tried it and found it didn't work? I could understand the protests, then.
I think most people have an issue with the substitution of one measuring gadget for another creating more confusion. There are a lot of variables that come into play and the real answer is thermodynamics. No way around that.
What confusion would it create, exactly? Its another method of determining weight loss. There are a lot of variables which is why we tell newbies freaking out because they haven't lost any scale weight to take pictures or use a measuring tape. This is a more expensive option than pictures or a measuring tape but if someone wants to put out the $$, where is the harm? Its their money and their decision. I read it as the OP just presenting another option.
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LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »I'm not understanding some of the grief directed at the OP. Some people might find the device effective and would like to try it. What's the big deal if they do? Its their money and their weight loss and their lesson to learn if it doesn't work. Its not like he's advocating ACV pills on top of a super low calorie diet. It isn't dangerous, right? Have the ones against the device tried it and found it didn't work? I could understand the protests, then.
I think most people have an issue with the substitution of one measuring gadget for another creating more confusion. There are a lot of variables that come into play and the real answer is thermodynamics. No way around that.
This is the best post on the thread! YES - there are alot of variables in our journey's. So do not rely simply on one means. It is absolutely true that CICO is the only means to lose weight, lose fat. But even during a CICO deficit you can/will run into a situation where the mathematical formula doesnt show on weight scale. The body doesnt seem to respond like computer. But if you are in a CICO deficit, you will lose weight/fat. A BMI/Fat monitor may indicate as such even though the scale says no.
I agree that even understanding CICO it's never linear but depending on how hydrated you are your weight and bf% will vary (sometimes by a lot) The best method is your data. Some weeks I gain 2lbs but I know I'm eating 1500 calories and over about a month I will see that weekly I lose 1.25lbs which is the best indicator. I guess the best answer to the "I stalled" problem may just be time and data.0 -
Ok Ok Ok...if I could I would simply delete this post. It worked for me! If I simplied relied on the scale I would be discouraged since the scale says I am stalled. Even though I have been in a calorie deficit, I log everything into MFP, I weigh my food on scale. I use a BMI/Fat monitor and see that everything is still progressing. My BMI is the same but my fat percentage is down. Maybe because I am weight training so the heavier muscle has compensated for the stalled weight. Holy cow people - it worked for me - thats all. I thought others would get the same peace of mind, but by your posts : I WAS CLEARLY WRONG.....0
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Some people really baffle me on MFP they do not seem to be here for support. But I am sure most people will make up there minds listen to reason and push through to their goals
Couple of questions. 1st, what kind of support is this "First relax, take a huge deep breath and buy these!" How is telling somebody to buy something so supportive, instead of trying to actually explain to them why something is happening to them, and then recommending what to do? Where was the information for what you recommended? You didn't tell anybody why you used them, how to use them to be most accurate, why they are helpful, and how it could help them change what they are doing if they stall is from something like inaccurate logging, or tracking of calories burnt or consumed. 2nd what kind of particular support you are personally looking for with this post?
So yeah I guess I'm missing out on the support part. Because I could easily just make a post saying "buy this" and show a picture of a food scale, but if there isn't any context to it, I'm not supporting anybody, just trying to get somebody to buy something.
Omg!!! Literally the funniest thing I read so far. You assume people cannot think for themselves and YOU are the only one with the intelligence to hold their hand and explain it - like they are a four year old. I give people more respect than that.
hmmm...
people actually are not that educated on weight loss vs fat loss and how to do it in a healthy manner...so yah we usually explain it...
it's not about respect it's about not being ignorant about these boards and what typically is on them.
most people don't care about bf% btw...they only care about scale weight...
But should they? That's all I am saying and trying to say keep motivated don't let the scale stop you. You could be making progress but the scale is making you feel otherwise. It is often water retention that the scale will discourage some when in fact they are making progress. It's not a scale weight people are seeking Its to look and feel better.
Their choice as they are adults....
should they...imo no...but I don't think BF% is the end all either...neither are measurements...
There are a lot fo ways to measure progress...my suggestion is to always look at them all...and take an overall pic of what they are telling you...
When I first started it was scale...then it was bf% then it was the weight on the bar...
I learned none of it matters if it is stressing you out...1 -
LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »I'm not understanding some of the grief directed at the OP. Some people might find the device effective and would like to try it. What's the big deal if they do? Its their money and their weight loss and their lesson to learn if it doesn't work. Its not like he's advocating ACV pills on top of a super low calorie diet. It isn't dangerous, right? Have the ones against the device tried it and found it didn't work? I could understand the protests, then.
I think most people have an issue with the substitution of one measuring gadget for another creating more confusion. There are a lot of variables that come into play and the real answer is thermodynamics. No way around that.
What confusion would it create, exactly? Its another method of determining weight loss. There are a lot of variables which is why we tell newbies freaking out because they haven't lost any scale weight to take pictures or use a measuring tape. This is a more expensive option than pictures or a measuring tape but if someone wants to put out the $$, where is the harm? Its their money and their decision. I read it as the OP just presenting another option.
Will you be fielding all of the "Help! My body fat % went up half a percentage overnight!!!! 1!" questions on the boards? We see enough of them all ready to suggest that some people do not find solace in devices like this. I did not read the OP as an opinion because it was not phrased as one.5 -
LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »LowCarb4Me2016 wrote: »I'm not understanding some of the grief directed at the OP. Some people might find the device effective and would like to try it. What's the big deal if they do? Its their money and their weight loss and their lesson to learn if it doesn't work. Its not like he's advocating ACV pills on top of a super low calorie diet. It isn't dangerous, right? Have the ones against the device tried it and found it didn't work? I could understand the protests, then.
I think most people have an issue with the substitution of one measuring gadget for another creating more confusion. There are a lot of variables that come into play and the real answer is thermodynamics. No way around that.
What confusion would it create, exactly? Its another method of determining weight loss. There are a lot of variables which is why we tell newbies freaking out because they haven't lost any scale weight to take pictures or use a measuring tape. This is a more expensive option than pictures or a measuring tape but if someone wants to put out the $$, where is the harm? Its their money and their decision. I read it as the OP just presenting another option.
I'm not sure there's a difference between OP's "buy this" and the ensuing "no, don't buy it". They're both opinions that can be used to inform a choice. This is a public forum and people are free to disagree and post their own opinion.
If I was wanting to buy such a device, I'd welcome a variety of opinions and advice to inform my choice.
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http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10544350/body-fat
Here's an example of what can happen to people when trying to get their body fat % from something that may not be accurate.
Oh please!!!
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