Say goodbye to sugar
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OP. Join the low carber daily MFP group. That is where most keto'ers hang out. Discussing why LCHF or ketosis may be a good thing does not often go over well on the main boards. Most keto'ers avoid it for that reason. The LCD group has quite a few keto'ers - they'll get what you are saying.
OP is not keto. She is encouraging everyone to drop sugar and fat, as they cause weight gain.8 -
How does every zero sugar thread turn into a keto thread? This has perplexed me for months. Even keto isn't usually zero sugar and it's certainly not zero fat as the OP is trying to go.10
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nutmegoreo wrote: »OP. Join the low carber daily MFP group. That is where most keto'ers hang out. Discussing why LCHF or ketosis may be a good thing does not often go over well on the main boards. Most keto'ers avoid it for that reason. The LCD group has quite a few keto'ers - they'll get what you are saying.
But she wants to get rid of the fat in her diet too.
I thought she corrected that to healthy fats. Such as avoiding transfats. If not, my mistake0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »OP. Join the low carber daily MFP group. That is where most keto'ers hang out. Discussing why LCHF or ketosis may be a good thing does not often go over well on the main boards. Most keto'ers avoid it for that reason. The LCD group has quite a few keto'ers - they'll get what you are saying.
OP is not keto. She is encouraging everyone to drop sugar and fat, as they cause weight gain.
My mistake then. I thought she was discussing keto back on page 2. I (wrongly) assumed she was LCHF or keto because she had some knowledge of the diets.
And I thought the focus was healthy fats... Just an over exaggeration early on that the thread hasn't recovered from.
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diannethegeek wrote: »How does every zero sugar thread turn into a keto thread? This has perplexed me for months. Even keto isn't usually zero sugar and it's certainly not zero fat as the OP is trying to go.
Keto is not zero carb but some aim for that. Some get close to or hit zero carbs with regularity.
And I really don't think saying the word "keto" turns it into a keto thread. If so, it tuned keto early on page 2.2 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »OP. Join the low carber daily MFP group. That is where most keto'ers hang out. Discussing why LCHF or ketosis may be a good thing does not often go over well on the main boards. Most keto'ers avoid it for that reason. The LCD group has quite a few keto'ers - they'll get what you are saying.
OP is not keto. She is encouraging everyone to drop sugar and fat, as they cause weight gain.
My mistake then. I thought she was discussing keto back on page 2. I (wrongly) assumed she was LCHF or keto because she had some knowledge of the diets.
And I thought the focus was healthy fats... Just an over exaggeration early on that the thread hasn't recovered from.
That wasn't OP.
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quiksylver296 wrote: »OP, the ONLY rule to weight loss is to eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day. It doesn't matter (for weight loss) whether those calories are sugar, fats, carbs (which sugar is), or protein. It doesn't matter what time of day you eat those calories. It doesn't matter if you eat them all in one sitting, or in six different small meals per day.
ALL THAT MATTERS FOR WEIGHT LOSS IS EATING FEWER CALORIES PER DAY THAN YOUR BODY USES.
Good luck.
Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters. If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows. If you eat all simple sugars you'll burn them, be hungry and probably become a type 2 diabetic... There are different types of carbs (complex carbs) too, not just sugar.
Now if your trying to lose fat and not muscle you need to eat enough protein so your not losing both or just muscle.
Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy... I always keep them under 45g daily & under 20g when cutting. Fat on the other hand I don't regulate but don't go out of control - just eat a lot of eggs and steak so it comes with the territory.
Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated but to each there own... Good luck to you in your journey.2 -
Everyone knows that most fruits have limited calories right? So you can eat them daily and have limited sugars as I do when not cutting...3
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ItsAllMental819 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »OP, the ONLY rule to weight loss is to eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day. It doesn't matter (for weight loss) whether those calories are sugar, fats, carbs (which sugar is), or protein. It doesn't matter what time of day you eat those calories. It doesn't matter if you eat them all in one sitting, or in six different small meals per day.
ALL THAT MATTERS FOR WEIGHT LOSS IS EATING FEWER CALORIES PER DAY THAN YOUR BODY USES.
Good luck.
Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters. If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows. If you eat all simple sugars you'll burn them, be hungry and probably become a type 2 diabetic... There are different types of carbs (complex carbs) too, not just sugar.
Now if your trying to lose fat and not muscle you need to eat enough protein so your not losing both or just muscle.
Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy... I always keep them under 45g daily & under 20g when cutting. Fat on the other hand I don't regulate but don't go out of control - just eat a lot of eggs and steak so it comes with the territory.
Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated but to each there own... Good luck to you in your journey.
And if you actually read most of the comments you'd see that absolutely no one on here has claimed that health is only affected by calories. They have stated over and over again that for strictly weight loss calories must be restricted, but you need to pay attention to macros for your health. NO ONE said you can be healthy by completely ignoring macros and only counting calories. You are arguing a claim that no one has made.3 -
Wynterbourne wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »OP, the ONLY rule to weight loss is to eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day. It doesn't matter (for weight loss) whether those calories are sugar, fats, carbs (which sugar is), or protein. It doesn't matter what time of day you eat those calories. It doesn't matter if you eat them all in one sitting, or in six different small meals per day.
ALL THAT MATTERS FOR WEIGHT LOSS IS EATING FEWER CALORIES PER DAY THAN YOUR BODY USES.
Good luck.
Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters. If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows. If you eat all simple sugars you'll burn them, be hungry and probably become a type 2 diabetic... There are different types of carbs (complex carbs) too, not just sugar.
Now if your trying to lose fat and not muscle you need to eat enough protein so your not losing both or just muscle.
Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy... I always keep them under 45g daily & under 20g when cutting. Fat on the other hand I don't regulate but don't go out of control - just eat a lot of eggs and steak so it comes with the territory.
Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated but to each there own... Good luck to you in your journey.
And if you actually read most of the comments you'd see that absolutely no one on here has claimed that health is only affected by calories. They have stated over and over again that for strictly weight loss calories must be restricted, but you need to pay attention to macros for your health. NO ONE said you can be healthy by completely ignoring macros and only counting calories. You are arguing a claim that no one has made.
Really? Read through every comment & macros were rarely mentioned... The post I quoted said exactly what you said no one did? Basically the opposite that it didn't matter what you eat or when and that is who I was responding too.
The OP says a healthier and happier lifestyle also not just weight loss.2 -
ItsAllMental819 wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »OP, the ONLY rule to weight loss is to eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day. It doesn't matter (for weight loss) whether those calories are sugar, fats, carbs (which sugar is), or protein. It doesn't matter what time of day you eat those calories. It doesn't matter if you eat them all in one sitting, or in six different small meals per day.
ALL THAT MATTERS FOR WEIGHT LOSS IS EATING FEWER CALORIES PER DAY THAN YOUR BODY USES.
Good luck.
Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters. If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows. If you eat all simple sugars you'll burn them, be hungry and probably become a type 2 diabetic... There are different types of carbs (complex carbs) too, not just sugar.
Now if your trying to lose fat and not muscle you need to eat enough protein so your not losing both or just muscle.
Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy... I always keep them under 45g daily & under 20g when cutting. Fat on the other hand I don't regulate but don't go out of control - just eat a lot of eggs and steak so it comes with the territory.
Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated but to each there own... Good luck to you in your journey.
And if you actually read most of the comments you'd see that absolutely no one on here has claimed that health is only affected by calories. They have stated over and over again that for strictly weight loss calories must be restricted, but you need to pay attention to macros for your health. NO ONE said you can be healthy by completely ignoring macros and only counting calories. You are arguing a claim that no one has made.
Really? Read through every comment & macros were rarely mentioned... The post I quoted said exactly what you said no one did? Basically the opposite that it didn't matter what you eat or when and that is who I was responding too.
Did you notice the (for weight loss) in there?4 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »OP, the ONLY rule to weight loss is to eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day. It doesn't matter (for weight loss) whether those calories are sugar, fats, carbs (which sugar is), or protein. It doesn't matter what time of day you eat those calories. It doesn't matter if you eat them all in one sitting, or in six different small meals per day.
ALL THAT MATTERS FOR WEIGHT LOSS IS EATING FEWER CALORIES PER DAY THAN YOUR BODY USES.
Good luck.
Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters. If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows. If you eat all simple sugars you'll burn them, be hungry and probably become a type 2 diabetic... There are different types of carbs (complex carbs) too, not just sugar.
Now if your trying to lose fat and not muscle you need to eat enough protein so your not losing both or just muscle.
Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy... I always keep them under 45g daily & under 20g when cutting. Fat on the other hand I don't regulate but don't go out of control - just eat a lot of eggs and steak so it comes with the territory.
Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated but to each there own... Good luck to you in your journey.
And if you actually read most of the comments you'd see that absolutely no one on here has claimed that health is only affected by calories. They have stated over and over again that for strictly weight loss calories must be restricted, but you need to pay attention to macros for your health. NO ONE said you can be healthy by completely ignoring macros and only counting calories. You are arguing a claim that no one has made.
Really? Read through every comment & macros were rarely mentioned... The post I quoted said exactly what you said no one did? Basically the opposite that it didn't matter what you eat or when and that is who I was responding too.
Did you notice the (for weight loss) in there?
And I'm saying if that's all you're trying too do that's fine... just NOT healthy.
Have at it all... Goodnight1 -
ItsAllMental819 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »OP, the ONLY rule to weight loss is to eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day. It doesn't matter (for weight loss) whether those calories are sugar, fats, carbs (which sugar is), or protein. It doesn't matter what time of day you eat those calories. It doesn't matter if you eat them all in one sitting, or in six different small meals per day.
ALL THAT MATTERS FOR WEIGHT LOSS IS EATING FEWER CALORIES PER DAY THAN YOUR BODY USES.
Good luck.
Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters. If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows. If you eat all simple sugars you'll burn them, be hungry and probably become a type 2 diabetic... There are different types of carbs (complex carbs) too, not just sugar.
Now if your trying to lose fat and not muscle you need to eat enough protein so your not losing both or just muscle.
Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy... I always keep them under 45g daily & under 20g when cutting. Fat on the other hand I don't regulate but don't go out of control - just eat a lot of eggs and steak so it comes with the territory.
Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated but to each there own... Good luck to you in your journey.
And if you actually read most of the comments you'd see that absolutely no one on here has claimed that health is only affected by calories. They have stated over and over again that for strictly weight loss calories must be restricted, but you need to pay attention to macros for your health. NO ONE said you can be healthy by completely ignoring macros and only counting calories. You are arguing a claim that no one has made.
Really? Read through every comment & macros were rarely mentioned... The post I quoted said exactly what you said no one did? Basically the opposite that it didn't matter what you eat or when and that is who I was responding too.
Did you notice the (for weight loss) in there?
And I'm saying if that's all you're trying too do that's fine... just NOT healthy.
Have at it all... Goodnight
But you're wrong. *shrug*8 -
ItsAllMental819 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »OP, the ONLY rule to weight loss is to eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day. It doesn't matter (for weight loss) whether those calories are sugar, fats, carbs (which sugar is), or protein. It doesn't matter what time of day you eat those calories. It doesn't matter if you eat them all in one sitting, or in six different small meals per day.
ALL THAT MATTERS FOR WEIGHT LOSS IS EATING FEWER CALORIES PER DAY THAN YOUR BODY USES.
Good luck.
Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters. If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows. If you eat all simple sugars you'll burn them, be hungry and probably become a type 2 diabetic... There are different types of carbs (complex carbs) too, not just sugar.
Now if your trying to lose fat and not muscle you need to eat enough protein so your not losing both or just muscle.
Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy... I always keep them under 45g daily & under 20g when cutting. Fat on the other hand I don't regulate but don't go out of control - just eat a lot of eggs and steak so it comes with the territory.
Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated but to each there own... Good luck to you in your journey.
And if you actually read most of the comments you'd see that absolutely no one on here has claimed that health is only affected by calories. They have stated over and over again that for strictly weight loss calories must be restricted, but you need to pay attention to macros for your health. NO ONE said you can be healthy by completely ignoring macros and only counting calories. You are arguing a claim that no one has made.
Really? Read through every comment & macros were rarely mentioned... The post I quoted said exactly what you said no one did? Basically the opposite that it didn't matter what you eat or when and that is who I was responding too.
Did you notice the (for weight loss) in there?
And I'm saying if that's all you're trying too do that's fine... just NOT healthy.
Have at it all... Goodnight
And for the gazillionth time, we are NOT claiming that it is healthy. All we said is that it reduces the number on the scale. Two different things: Health and smaller physical size. Again, you are arguing against something that wasn't claimed. Ad Infinitum2 -
ItsAllMental819 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »OP, the ONLY rule to weight loss is to eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day. It doesn't matter (for weight loss) whether those calories are sugar, fats, carbs (which sugar is), or protein. It doesn't matter what time of day you eat those calories. It doesn't matter if you eat them all in one sitting, or in six different small meals per day.
ALL THAT MATTERS FOR WEIGHT LOSS IS EATING FEWER CALORIES PER DAY THAN YOUR BODY USES.
Good luck.
Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters. If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows. If you eat all simple sugars you'll burn them, be hungry and probably become a type 2 diabetic... There are different types of carbs (complex carbs) too, not just sugar.
Now if your trying to lose fat and not muscle you need to eat enough protein so your not losing both or just muscle.
Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy... I always keep them under 45g daily & under 20g when cutting. Fat on the other hand I don't regulate but don't go out of control - just eat a lot of eggs and steak so it comes with the territory.
Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated but to each there own... Good luck to you in your journey.
I would like to see your citation about metabolism slowing if you eat all of your calories in the morning. Get hungry, lower energy, moody, those I can get behind. But how much does the metabolism slow and by what mechanism?
Overall, all that we know about the OP exists in a couple of threads here. In this particular thread we get:Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
This doesn't sound to me like someone who fully understands weight loss or good nutrition, which is why I've been so anxious to get them to come back and clarify their stance on cutting fats. I don't think it's out of the question to get back to the basics for this particular OP as @quiksylver296 has done in the post you quoted. I just don't get the hate for telling someone how weight loss occurs when the OP specifically stated how they think it occurs and was wrong. Information is good.11 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »OP. Join the low carber daily MFP group. That is where most keto'ers hang out. Discussing why LCHF or ketosis may be a good thing does not often go over well on the main boards. Most keto'ers avoid it for that reason. The LCD group has quite a few keto'ers - they'll get what you are saying.
OP is not keto. She is encouraging everyone to drop sugar and fat, as they cause weight gain.
My mistake then. I thought she was discussing keto back on page 2. I (wrongly) assumed she was LCHF or keto because she had some knowledge of the diets.
Entirely different poster.And I thought the focus was healthy fats... Just an over exaggeration early on that the thread hasn't recovered from.
Nope, again that was the keto poster (who of course is not anti fat). OP said "fat" and has said nothing to suggest that was limited.3 -
christinaki89 wrote: »Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
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I don't think so OP. Yesterday I made a chocolate croissant fit in to my daily calories and macros and it was freaking awesome!8
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ItsAllMental819 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »Wynterbourne wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »OP, the ONLY rule to weight loss is to eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day. It doesn't matter (for weight loss) whether those calories are sugar, fats, carbs (which sugar is), or protein. It doesn't matter what time of day you eat those calories. It doesn't matter if you eat them all in one sitting, or in six different small meals per day.
ALL THAT MATTERS FOR WEIGHT LOSS IS EATING FEWER CALORIES PER DAY THAN YOUR BODY USES.
Good luck.
Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters. If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows. If you eat all simple sugars you'll burn them, be hungry and probably become a type 2 diabetic... There are different types of carbs (complex carbs) too, not just sugar.
Now if your trying to lose fat and not muscle you need to eat enough protein so your not losing both or just muscle.
Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy... I always keep them under 45g daily & under 20g when cutting. Fat on the other hand I don't regulate but don't go out of control - just eat a lot of eggs and steak so it comes with the territory.
Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated but to each there own... Good luck to you in your journey.
And if you actually read most of the comments you'd see that absolutely no one on here has claimed that health is only affected by calories. They have stated over and over again that for strictly weight loss calories must be restricted, but you need to pay attention to macros for your health. NO ONE said you can be healthy by completely ignoring macros and only counting calories. You are arguing a claim that no one has made.
Really? Read through every comment & macros were rarely mentioned... The post I quoted said exactly what you said no one did? Basically the opposite that it didn't matter what you eat or when and that is who I was responding too.
Did you notice the (for weight loss) in there?
And I'm saying if that's all you're trying too do that's fine... just NOT healthy.
Have at it all... Goodnight
Weird, so if I only care about calories but happen to eat healthy macros and micros while doing it I'm NOT healthy? I need to do the same thing but on purpose to be healthy?6 -
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JerSchmare wrote: »Sugar is a carb, carbs are a macro nutrient. Fat is also and macro nutrient. So, no.
You're telling me you are only going to eat protein?
But a lot of protein also comes with fat. You sure would lose a bucket load of weight on a sugar and fat free diet because you would be starving yourself to death.5 -
I'm vegetarian. Most of my protein comes with carbs. A lot of my carbs (not necessarily the protein-laden ones) come with sugar. And the ones that don't (like nuts), yes, do have fat. Hasn't stopped me dropping 54 lbs, tho...9
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diannethegeek wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »OP, the ONLY rule to weight loss is to eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day. It doesn't matter (for weight loss) whether those calories are sugar, fats, carbs (which sugar is), or protein. It doesn't matter what time of day you eat those calories. It doesn't matter if you eat them all in one sitting, or in six different small meals per day.
ALL THAT MATTERS FOR WEIGHT LOSS IS EATING FEWER CALORIES PER DAY THAN YOUR BODY USES.
Good luck.
Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters. If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows. If you eat all simple sugars you'll burn them, be hungry and probably become a type 2 diabetic... There are different types of carbs (complex carbs) too, not just sugar.
Now if your trying to lose fat and not muscle you need to eat enough protein so your not losing both or just muscle.
Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy... I always keep them under 45g daily & under 20g when cutting. Fat on the other hand I don't regulate but don't go out of control - just eat a lot of eggs and steak so it comes with the territory.
Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated but to each there own... Good luck to you in your journey.
I would like to see your citation about metabolism slowing if you eat all of your calories in the morning. Get hungry, lower energy, moody, those I can get behind. But how much does the metabolism slow and by what mechanism?
Overall, all that we know about the OP exists in a couple of threads here. In this particular thread we get:Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
This doesn't sound to me like someone who fully understands weight loss or good nutrition, which is why I've been so anxious to get them to come back and clarify their stance on cutting fats. I don't think it's out of the question to get back to the basics for this particular OP as @quiksylver296 has done in the post you quoted. I just don't get the hate for telling someone how weight loss occurs when the OP specifically stated how they think it occurs and was wrong. Information is good.
Overall I'm not agreeing with the OP... Just disagreeing with many of the responses - again everyone has their own opinions on what works & I have mine. I was speaking about sugars not fats as you've read in my first post.
There was no hate involved, just disagreement unlike the hate & those sayin I was just wrong in numerous responses to my post
Yet, no one pointed out where I was wrong... just that apparently I didn't go with the flow so therefore I'm not liked.
I agree, information is good...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3374835/2 -
ItsAllMental819 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »OP, the ONLY rule to weight loss is to eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day. It doesn't matter (for weight loss) whether those calories are sugar, fats, carbs (which sugar is), or protein. It doesn't matter what time of day you eat those calories. It doesn't matter if you eat them all in one sitting, or in six different small meals per day.
ALL THAT MATTERS FOR WEIGHT LOSS IS EATING FEWER CALORIES PER DAY THAN YOUR BODY USES.
Good luck.
Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters. If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows. If you eat all simple sugars you'll burn them, be hungry and probably become a type 2 diabetic... There are different types of carbs (complex carbs) too, not just sugar.
Now if your trying to lose fat and not muscle you need to eat enough protein so your not losing both or just muscle.
Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy... I always keep them under 45g daily & under 20g when cutting. Fat on the other hand I don't regulate but don't go out of control - just eat a lot of eggs and steak so it comes with the territory.
Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated but to each there own... Good luck to you in your journey.
I would like to see your citation about metabolism slowing if you eat all of your calories in the morning. Get hungry, lower energy, moody, those I can get behind. But how much does the metabolism slow and by what mechanism?
Overall, all that we know about the OP exists in a couple of threads here. In this particular thread we get:Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
This doesn't sound to me like someone who fully understands weight loss or good nutrition, which is why I've been so anxious to get them to come back and clarify their stance on cutting fats. I don't think it's out of the question to get back to the basics for this particular OP as @quiksylver296 has done in the post you quoted. I just don't get the hate for telling someone how weight loss occurs when the OP specifically stated how they think it occurs and was wrong. Information is good.
Overall I'm not agreeing with the OP...
Perhaps that what caused the confusion. The posts you were responding to WERE responses to OP and pointing out that it's not healthy to cut out all fat and sugar. And you seemed to take issue with that.
You said:ItsAllMental819 wrote: »Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters.
Here you seem to think that people were saying nutrition doesn't matter for any purpose. No one was, period. It's a rather uncharitable assumption to make.If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows.
This has not been supported.If you eat all simple sugars...
This is an absurd strawman. Protein and fat (and vegetables, IMO, other than in extreme cases) are required for good nutrition. People even pointed this out in response to OP, as it's one reason why NO sugar and fat is a bad idea.
You for some reason ignored the actual discussion and what was being said, the context, and went off about how nutrition matters, getting enough protein matters, as if people were saying otherwise, and they were not. It's a misreading of the conversation and, again, an uncharitable one.Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy...
Cutting out all sugars would mean cutting out vegetables. Bad idea, IMO. And you yourself acknowledge that of course you consume sugar. No one has said that it's a bad idea to cut down on or limit sugar.Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated
Again, who is this OP that you refer to, because the only OP in this thread said 0 about focusing on macros for health. She said cut out sugar (not a macro, as I'm assuming that she did not mean all carbs), and fat (yes, a macro). If one cared about macros for health, one would absolutely not say cut out all fat and sugar. One would say get enough fat for your goals and stats and enough protein for you and your goals and stats, and carbs as remain, or some such. Focus on what leads to satiety for you, too.
However, since I am not IIFYM, particularly, I have to point out that the importance of macros is grossly overestimated for most people. There is a huge range of good, reasonable macro ratios, healthy human diets vary enormously on that point. Even for people trying to lose weight, I think protein ought to hit a certain level (to protect against muscle loss), but there's a huge range of options even so. For fat and carbs I think WHAT fat and carbs you eat matters more than how much of each, for most people. (For other things, like satiety and satisfaction, it may matter a great deal, but that's individual.)There was no hate involved, just disagreement unlike the hate & those sayin I was just wrong in numerous responses to my post
Disagreement does not mean hate. I don't perceive anyone to be hating you.
This is 3 meals vs. 14 meals. How does it relate to the claim that eating just a morning meal reduces metabolism, which is what you asserted before?8 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »OP, the ONLY rule to weight loss is to eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day. It doesn't matter (for weight loss) whether those calories are sugar, fats, carbs (which sugar is), or protein. It doesn't matter what time of day you eat those calories. It doesn't matter if you eat them all in one sitting, or in six different small meals per day.
ALL THAT MATTERS FOR WEIGHT LOSS IS EATING FEWER CALORIES PER DAY THAN YOUR BODY USES.
Good luck.
Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters. If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows. If you eat all simple sugars you'll burn them, be hungry and probably become a type 2 diabetic... There are different types of carbs (complex carbs) too, not just sugar.
Now if your trying to lose fat and not muscle you need to eat enough protein so your not losing both or just muscle.
Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy... I always keep them under 45g daily & under 20g when cutting. Fat on the other hand I don't regulate but don't go out of control - just eat a lot of eggs and steak so it comes with the territory.
Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated but to each there own... Good luck to you in your journey.
I would like to see your citation about metabolism slowing if you eat all of your calories in the morning. Get hungry, lower energy, moody, those I can get behind. But how much does the metabolism slow and by what mechanism?
Overall, all that we know about the OP exists in a couple of threads here. In this particular thread we get:Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
This doesn't sound to me like someone who fully understands weight loss or good nutrition, which is why I've been so anxious to get them to come back and clarify their stance on cutting fats. I don't think it's out of the question to get back to the basics for this particular OP as @quiksylver296 has done in the post you quoted. I just don't get the hate for telling someone how weight loss occurs when the OP specifically stated how they think it occurs and was wrong. Information is good.
Overall I'm not agreeing with the OP...
Perhaps that what caused the confusion. The posts you were responding to WERE responses to OP and pointing out that it's not healthy to cut out all fat and sugar. And you seemed to take issue with that.
You said:ItsAllMental819 wrote: »Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters.
Here you seem to think that people were saying nutrition doesn't matter for any purpose. No one was, period. It's a rather uncharitable assumption to make.If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows.
This has not been supported.If you eat all simple sugars...
This is an absurd strawman. Protein and fat (and vegetables, IMO, other than in extreme cases) are required for good nutrition. People even pointed this out in response to OP, as it's one reason why NO sugar and fat is a bad idea.
You for some reason ignored the actual discussion and what was being said, the context, and went off about how nutrition matters, getting enough protein matters, as if people were saying otherwise, and they were not. It's a misreading of the conversation and, again, an uncharitable one.Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy...
Cutting out all sugars would mean cutting out vegetables. Bad idea, IMO. And you yourself acknowledge that of course you consume sugar. No one has said that it's a bad idea to cut down on or limit sugar.Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated
Again, who is this OP that you refer to, because the only OP in this thread said 0 about focusing on macros for health. She said cut out sugar (not a macro, as I'm assuming that she did not mean all carbs), and fat (yes, a macro). If one cared about macros for health, one would absolutely not say cut out all fat and sugar. One would say get enough fat for your goals and stats and enough protein for you and your goals and stats, and carbs as remain, or some such. Focus on what leads to satiety for you, too.
However, since I am not IIFYM, particularly, I have to point out that the importance of macros is grossly overestimated for most people. There is a huge range of good, reasonable macro ratios, healthy human diets vary enormously on that point. Even for people trying to lose weight, I think protein ought to hit a certain level (to protect against muscle loss), but there's a huge range of options even so. For fat and carbs I think WHAT fat and carbs you eat matters more than how much of each, for most people. (For other things, like satiety and satisfaction, it may matter a great deal, but that's individual.)There was no hate involved, just disagreement unlike the hate & those sayin I was just wrong in numerous responses to my post
Disagreement does not mean hate. I don't perceive anyone to be hating you.
This is 3 meals vs. 14 meals. How does it relate to the claim that eating just a morning meal reduces metabolism, which is what you asserted before?
Not only is it 3 vs. 14, the 3 meals group had increased metabolism.9 -
stevencloser wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »OP, the ONLY rule to weight loss is to eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day. It doesn't matter (for weight loss) whether those calories are sugar, fats, carbs (which sugar is), or protein. It doesn't matter what time of day you eat those calories. It doesn't matter if you eat them all in one sitting, or in six different small meals per day.
ALL THAT MATTERS FOR WEIGHT LOSS IS EATING FEWER CALORIES PER DAY THAN YOUR BODY USES.
Good luck.
Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters. If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows. If you eat all simple sugars you'll burn them, be hungry and probably become a type 2 diabetic... There are different types of carbs (complex carbs) too, not just sugar.
Now if your trying to lose fat and not muscle you need to eat enough protein so your not losing both or just muscle.
Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy... I always keep them under 45g daily & under 20g when cutting. Fat on the other hand I don't regulate but don't go out of control - just eat a lot of eggs and steak so it comes with the territory.
Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated but to each there own... Good luck to you in your journey.
I would like to see your citation about metabolism slowing if you eat all of your calories in the morning. Get hungry, lower energy, moody, those I can get behind. But how much does the metabolism slow and by what mechanism?
Overall, all that we know about the OP exists in a couple of threads here. In this particular thread we get:Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
This doesn't sound to me like someone who fully understands weight loss or good nutrition, which is why I've been so anxious to get them to come back and clarify their stance on cutting fats. I don't think it's out of the question to get back to the basics for this particular OP as @quiksylver296 has done in the post you quoted. I just don't get the hate for telling someone how weight loss occurs when the OP specifically stated how they think it occurs and was wrong. Information is good.
Overall I'm not agreeing with the OP...
Perhaps that what caused the confusion. The posts you were responding to WERE responses to OP and pointing out that it's not healthy to cut out all fat and sugar. And you seemed to take issue with that.
You said:ItsAllMental819 wrote: »Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters.
Here you seem to think that people were saying nutrition doesn't matter for any purpose. No one was, period. It's a rather uncharitable assumption to make.If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows.
This has not been supported.If you eat all simple sugars...
This is an absurd strawman. Protein and fat (and vegetables, IMO, other than in extreme cases) are required for good nutrition. People even pointed this out in response to OP, as it's one reason why NO sugar and fat is a bad idea.
You for some reason ignored the actual discussion and what was being said, the context, and went off about how nutrition matters, getting enough protein matters, as if people were saying otherwise, and they were not. It's a misreading of the conversation and, again, an uncharitable one.Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy...
Cutting out all sugars would mean cutting out vegetables. Bad idea, IMO. And you yourself acknowledge that of course you consume sugar. No one has said that it's a bad idea to cut down on or limit sugar.Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated
Again, who is this OP that you refer to, because the only OP in this thread said 0 about focusing on macros for health. She said cut out sugar (not a macro, as I'm assuming that she did not mean all carbs), and fat (yes, a macro). If one cared about macros for health, one would absolutely not say cut out all fat and sugar. One would say get enough fat for your goals and stats and enough protein for you and your goals and stats, and carbs as remain, or some such. Focus on what leads to satiety for you, too.
However, since I am not IIFYM, particularly, I have to point out that the importance of macros is grossly overestimated for most people. There is a huge range of good, reasonable macro ratios, healthy human diets vary enormously on that point. Even for people trying to lose weight, I think protein ought to hit a certain level (to protect against muscle loss), but there's a huge range of options even so. For fat and carbs I think WHAT fat and carbs you eat matters more than how much of each, for most people. (For other things, like satiety and satisfaction, it may matter a great deal, but that's individual.)There was no hate involved, just disagreement unlike the hate & those sayin I was just wrong in numerous responses to my post
Disagreement does not mean hate. I don't perceive anyone to be hating you.
This is 3 meals vs. 14 meals. How does it relate to the claim that eating just a morning meal reduces metabolism, which is what you asserted before?
Not only is it 3 vs. 14, the 3 meals group had increased metabolism.
What if I do two meals a day? Even better?0 -
ItsAllMental819 wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »ItsAllMental819 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »OP, the ONLY rule to weight loss is to eat fewer calories than your body uses in a day. It doesn't matter (for weight loss) whether those calories are sugar, fats, carbs (which sugar is), or protein. It doesn't matter what time of day you eat those calories. It doesn't matter if you eat them all in one sitting, or in six different small meals per day.
ALL THAT MATTERS FOR WEIGHT LOSS IS EATING FEWER CALORIES PER DAY THAN YOUR BODY USES.
Good luck.
Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters. If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows. If you eat all simple sugars you'll burn them, be hungry and probably become a type 2 diabetic... There are different types of carbs (complex carbs) too, not just sugar.
Now if your trying to lose fat and not muscle you need to eat enough protein so your not losing both or just muscle.
Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy... I always keep them under 45g daily & under 20g when cutting. Fat on the other hand I don't regulate but don't go out of control - just eat a lot of eggs and steak so it comes with the territory.
Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated but to each there own... Good luck to you in your journey.
I would like to see your citation about metabolism slowing if you eat all of your calories in the morning. Get hungry, lower energy, moody, those I can get behind. But how much does the metabolism slow and by what mechanism?
Overall, all that we know about the OP exists in a couple of threads here. In this particular thread we get:Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
This doesn't sound to me like someone who fully understands weight loss or good nutrition, which is why I've been so anxious to get them to come back and clarify their stance on cutting fats. I don't think it's out of the question to get back to the basics for this particular OP as @quiksylver296 has done in the post you quoted. I just don't get the hate for telling someone how weight loss occurs when the OP specifically stated how they think it occurs and was wrong. Information is good.
Overall I'm not agreeing with the OP... Just disagreeing with many of the responses - again everyone has their own opinions on what works & I have mine. I was speaking about sugars not fats as you've read in my first post.
There was no hate involved, just disagreement unlike the hate & those sayin I was just wrong in numerous responses to my post Yet, no one pointed out where I was wrong... just that apparently I didn't go with the flow so therefore I'm not liked.
I agree, information is good...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3374835/
I am glad to see you linking to peer-reviewed journal articles, but this article contradicts your claim that eating all of your calories at 8am slows your metabolism. From the article conclusion:
"RMR [resting metabolic rate] and appetite control increased in the LFr [low-frequency] diet."
If you want to extrapolate their conclusion to interpret how 1 meal a day (versus several meals per day) will affect metabolism, you would have to conclude that 1 meal a day would increase metabolism. You would also have to ignore that RMR is not exactly the same thing as metabolism, and that they did not test 1 meal per day. There are other papers that you could have linked to that show a slight decrease in RMR for LFr diet, but modern meta-analyses show that meal timing is just not very significant.12 -
youchristinaki89 wrote: »Let's face it one of the biggest reasons why we gain weight are sugar and fats...let's say goodbye to them and move forward to a healthier and better life
the biggest reason you gain weight is from overeating, not because of sugar or fats. #getreal3 -
Yes. In regards to personal preference and being able to stick to your diet, yes...ItsAllMental819 wrote: »Believe what you want, we all have our own opinions & yes the key to losing weight is caloric deficiency but how you do it matters.
Not significantly...ItsAllMental819 wrote: »If you eat all your calories at 8am your metabolism slows.
An absurd example. Logical fallacy, the false dilemma...ItsAllMental819 wrote: »If you eat all simple sugars you'll burn them, be hungry and probably become a type 2 diabetic...
Correct...ItsAllMental819 wrote: »There are different types of carbs (complex carbs) too, not just sugar.
Correct. More then protein you need to strength train...ItsAllMental819 wrote: »Now if your trying to lose fat and not muscle you need to eat enough protein so your not losing both or just muscle.
I'm assuming you mean added sugars...ItsAllMental819 wrote: »Nothing wrong with cutting sugars and it is healthy... I always keep them under 45g daily & under 20g when cutting. Fat on the other hand I don't regulate but don't go out of control - just eat a lot of eggs and steak so it comes with the territory.
I don't believe anyone disagrees with that...ItsAllMental819 wrote: »Imo macros DEFINITELY matter if you wanna be healthy and not just lose weight as the OP stated but to each there own... Good luck to you in your journey.6 -
Yinz spend a lot of time here... But I appreciate the responses... Please read the entire study - Its actually 12 meals vs 2 & talks about insulin and metabolic responses. It never said that 3 meals a day had increased metabolism also. They incorporated other info within their work.
Again, when did I say cut ALL sugars? Said cutting down simple sugars is healthy... I love me some fruit & veggies and they are low calorie.
Thanks again all.2
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