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Hawaiian_Iceberg wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Question: Does freezing work because it does something to the body (e.g., causes it to jettison fat for some reason)? Or just because people burn more calories trying to maintain their body temperature?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »suzannesimmons3 wrote: »You're asking on a diet and excersise site......seriously what do you think.
I was simply asking if it's ever worked for other people. I personally don't think it works but everyone is different. I haven't tried other stuff but other people have.
The answers saying you must be in a deficit to lose weight are incorrect. Freezing does cause weight loss without diet or exercise, as does liposuction. These things destroy or remove fat cells from your body causing you to lose fat without being in a calorie deficit. They are not magic, they are clinical procedures and they do work.
Weight loss surgery and medical procedures, like liposuction, are the only exception I know of to the general rule that to lose weight you have to eat fewer calories and/or burn more. I don't know enough about them to say whether they're a good idea.
Google Coolsculpting. Bariatric surgery actually relies on a calorie deficit. It limits the amount you can eat and forces you into a deficit. Liposuction and coolsculpting are the only methods I know of (other than having a body part removed) that cause fat loss without a deficit.
There are some illegal and potentiality dangerous drugs such as DNP which cause weight loss even without a deficit.
In the presence of DNP, fat and carbohydrate in food are broken down but production of useful energy for cells is impaired and is instead released as heat. As a result, body reserves of fat and carbohydrate are mobilised and weight is lost.
Not that I tried it or fancy cataracts...
Interesting. Never heard of that.1 -
Hawaiian_Iceberg wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Question: Does freezing work because it does something to the body (e.g., causes it to jettison fat for some reason)? Or just because people burn more calories trying to maintain their body temperature?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »suzannesimmons3 wrote: »You're asking on a diet and excersise site......seriously what do you think.
I was simply asking if it's ever worked for other people. I personally don't think it works but everyone is different. I haven't tried other stuff but other people have.
The answers saying you must be in a deficit to lose weight are incorrect. Freezing does cause weight loss without diet or exercise, as does liposuction. These things destroy or remove fat cells from your body causing you to lose fat without being in a calorie deficit. They are not magic, they are clinical procedures and they do work.
Weight loss surgery and medical procedures, like liposuction, are the only exception I know of to the general rule that to lose weight you have to eat fewer calories and/or burn more. I don't know enough about them to say whether they're a good idea.
Google Coolsculpting. Bariatric surgery actually relies on a calorie deficit. It limits the amount you can eat and forces you into a deficit. Liposuction and coolsculpting are the only methods I know of (other than having a body part removed) that cause fat loss without a deficit.
There are some illegal and potentiality dangerous drugs such as DNP which cause weight loss even without a deficit.
In the presence of DNP, fat and carbohydrate in food are broken down but production of useful energy for cells is impaired and is instead released as heat. As a result, body reserves of fat and carbohydrate are mobilised and weight is lost.
Not that I tried it or fancy cataracts...
Is that the one people have died from by essentially "cooking" themselves from the inside?3 -
I haven't but the Kim Khardashian method of catching the flu to knock off 6lbs is tempting.....2
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moonstroller wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »I don't know what you guys are talking about...I used magical unicorn sparkles and lost a lot. It is just a coincidence that I carry a pocket scale in my purse and have a bag of stinky gym clothes next to my desk. Nothing to see here, move it along.
I will sell you my magical unicorn sparkles if you would like to lose weight as effortlessly as me. They come in rainbow and pink. All you have to do is BELIEVE!
How much for the "Rainbow Magical Unicorn Sparkles?" Once my Nigerian inheritance comes in I'll be flush with money, so no price will be too high.
I'll put together a "friends and family" deal just for you. Coincidentally, you can also decorate frosted cookies with them. Magical, as I said.4 -
I lost weight puking (not intentional) and not being able to eat, all while laying in bed because I was so weak... Does that count? That's my "secret". I wouldn't suggest going this route. Go with the unicorn sparkles, sounds much more appealing.3
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My mother once told me that when she was young some doctors gave tape worms in a capsule. You swallowed it, lost weight over time, then they treated the tape worm. I'm not desperate enough to infect myself with a parasite - yet.2
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LadyLilion wrote: »My mother once told me that when she was young some doctors gave tape worms in a capsule. You swallowed it, lost weight over time, then they treated the tape worm. I'm not desperate enough to infect myself with a parasite - yet.
Wow really?! I honestly thought this was an urban legend!1 -
BurlzGettingFit wrote: »LadyLilion wrote: »My mother once told me that when she was young some doctors gave tape worms in a capsule. You swallowed it, lost weight over time, then they treated the tape worm. I'm not desperate enough to infect myself with a parasite - yet.
Wow really?! I honestly thought this was an urban legend!
There were/are some really bizarre weight loss methods.....
Tongue patches, cotton balls, HCG, ear stapling, nicotine. Anything for a buck.0 -
You will find that most legal weight loss products say in the small print... "along with diet and exercise". Guess what's actually causing the weight loss?
Also, there's a bit of psychology involved. Once someone shells out the money for all these products, they are more focused on seeing results, so subconsciously they pay more attention to... diet and exercise. They give credit to the wrap, or the green tea extract, or the PH water, but what they don't realize is that once there was $$$ on the line, they actually focused on eating less and moving more. Which is what actually caused the weight loss.9 -
You will find that most legal weight loss products say in the small print... "along with diet and exercise". Guess what's actually causing the weight loss?
Also, there's a bit of psychology involved. Once someone shells out the money for all these products, they are more focused on seeing results, so subconsciously they pay more attention to... diet and exercise. They give credit to the wrap, or the green tea extract, or the PH water, but what they don't realize is that once there was $$$ on the line, they actually focused on eating less and moving more. Which is what actually caused the weight loss.
[runs back to put diet/exercise disclosure in the 50 pages on fine print on Magical Unicorn Sparkles(TM) (All Rights Reserved)]8 -
Is this your slick way of asking if any of us are cocaine or meth dealers?...5
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French_Peasant wrote: »You will find that most legal weight loss products say in the small print... "along with diet and exercise". Guess what's actually causing the weight loss?
Also, there's a bit of psychology involved. Once someone shells out the money for all these products, they are more focused on seeing results, so subconsciously they pay more attention to... diet and exercise. They give credit to the wrap, or the green tea extract, or the PH water, but what they don't realize is that once there was $$$ on the line, they actually focused on eating less and moving more. Which is what actually caused the weight loss.
[runs back to put diet/exercise disclosure in the 50 pages on fine print on Magical Unicorn Sparkles(TM) (All Rights Reserved)]
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French_Peasant wrote: »You will find that most legal weight loss products say in the small print... "along with diet and exercise". Guess what's actually causing the weight loss?
Also, there's a bit of psychology involved. Once someone shells out the money for all these products, they are more focused on seeing results, so subconsciously they pay more attention to... diet and exercise. They give credit to the wrap, or the green tea extract, or the PH water, but what they don't realize is that once there was $$$ on the line, they actually focused on eating less and moving more. Which is what actually caused the weight loss.
[runs back to put diet/exercise disclosure in the 50 pages on fine print on Magical Unicorn Sparkles(TM) (All Rights Reserved)]
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^^^would probably be funnier if my whimsical memes would post correctly.3
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French_Peasant wrote: »You will find that most legal weight loss products say in the small print... "along with diet and exercise". Guess what's actually causing the weight loss?
Also, there's a bit of psychology involved. Once someone shells out the money for all these products, they are more focused on seeing results, so subconsciously they pay more attention to... diet and exercise. They give credit to the wrap, or the green tea extract, or the PH water, but what they don't realize is that once there was $$$ on the line, they actually focused on eating less and moving more. Which is what actually caused the weight loss.
[runs back to put diet/exercise disclosure in the 50 pages on fine print on Magical Unicorn Sparkles(TM) (All Rights Reserved)]
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Call it what you will, but the ONLY way to lose weight is by eating less calories than your body burns. There is no magic to it. It is simple science.1
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French_Peasant wrote: »You will find that most legal weight loss products say in the small print... "along with diet and exercise". Guess what's actually causing the weight loss?
Also, there's a bit of psychology involved. Once someone shells out the money for all these products, they are more focused on seeing results, so subconsciously they pay more attention to... diet and exercise. They give credit to the wrap, or the green tea extract, or the PH water, but what they don't realize is that once there was $$$ on the line, they actually focused on eating less and moving more. Which is what actually caused the weight loss.
[runs back to put diet/exercise disclosure in the 50 pages on fine print on Magical Unicorn Sparkles(TM) (All Rights Reserved)]
Thank you! Now, if you could just envision me posting the following Homer Simpson meme: "You are so smart! S-M-R-T! I mean, S-M-A-R-T!" 6 -
LadyLilion wrote: »My mother once told me that when she was young some doctors gave tape worms in a capsule. You swallowed it, lost weight over time, then they treated the tape worm. I'm not desperate enough to infect myself with a parasite - yet.
A buddy of mine in the Army got a tapeworm and he lost a lot of weight before they figured out what was wrong with him.2 -
Also, there's a bit of psychology involved. Once someone shells out the money for all these products, they are more focused on seeing results, so subconsciously they pay more attention to... diet and exercise. They give credit to the wrap, or the green tea extract, or the PH water, but what they don't realize is that once there was $$$ on the line, they actually focused on eating less and moving more. Which is what actually caused the weight loss.
+1. I started medication for my blood pressure recently, having come to the unfortunate conclusion that I was probably already doing all I was likely to reliably do in terms of diet and exercise, and that wasn't enough. I lost 5 pounds in 5 days (on an ACE inhibitor, not a diuretic!) because the act of starting meds was enough to about halve my sodium intake. And my non-water-weight loss rate doubled over the rate it had been steady at for the prior four months, because I started exercising more and eating less.
ACE inhibitors don't cause weight loss, but I could totally spin my experience as if they did.4 -
Freezing your body to get thin?
Funny you should ask, I tried freezing myself in the ice of Antarctica. Must have been year 1810. Didn't work. Woke up the same body fat with strange boats flying in the sky.8 -
LadyLilion wrote: »My mother once told me that when she was young some doctors gave tape worms in a capsule. You swallowed it, lost weight over time, then they treated the tape worm. I'm not desperate enough to infect myself with a parasite - yet.
I've heard of tape worms but I didn't know doctors are the ones who were behind it. That's insane and extremely dangerous.0 -
Freezing your body to get thin?
Funny you should ask, I tried freezing myself in the ice of Antarctica. Must have been year 1810. Didn't work. Woke up the same body fat with strange boats flying in the sky.
Waitaminnit! You're right! In Captain America, the First Avenger, after they thawed him out, he didn't look like he'd lost an ounce in sixty years!2 -
manwaffles wrote: »Is this your slick way of asking if any of us are cocaine or meth dealers?...
Why on earth would I want to know if someone is on drugs. I could care less. I am asking about weight loss suppliments. And things like stomach wrap, vibrating machines, twisting boards, freezing, surgery and so on. Not what kind of wacky drugs someone uses.
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suzannesimmons3 wrote: »You're asking on a diet and excersise site......seriously what do you think.
I was simply asking if it's ever worked for other people. I personally don't think it works but everyone is different. I haven't tried other stuff but other people have.
No, people aren't different, a calorie deficit is the only thing that's ever worked for anyone, ever.2 -
manwaffles wrote: »Is this your slick way of asking if any of us are cocaine or meth dealers?...
Why on earth would I want to know if someone is on drugs. I could care less. I am asking about weight loss suppliments. And things like stomach wrap, vibrating machines, twisting boards, freezing, surgery and so on. Not what kind of wacky drugs someone uses.
Certain drugs like the two mentioned have a reputation as appetite suppressants. I think @manwaffles was making a joke.
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manwaffles wrote: »Is this your slick way of asking if any of us are cocaine or meth dealers?...
Why on earth would I want to know if someone is on drugs. I could care less. I am asking about weight loss suppliments. And things like stomach wrap, vibrating machines, twisting boards, freezing, surgery and so on. Not what kind of wacky drugs someone uses.
Eets a jolk...My sarcastic response was alluding to the theme of most of these answers: There is no replacement for good ol diet and exercise, short of surgeries or illegal substances 4 -
Regarding surgical removal of fat....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16772916
An average of 16 pounds from surgery. This was AFTER significant weight lost by the candidates. Consider also the months of recovery after surgery, the wearing of a corset day and night to encourage the outer skin to reattach to the flesh.
It would be far less expensive to lose a pound a week over four months. Waaaay easier.5 -
Regarding surgical removal of fat....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16772916
An average of 16 pounds from surgery. This was AFTER significant weight lost by the candidates. Consider also the months of recovery after surgery, the wearing of a corset day and night to encourage the outer skin to reattach to the flesh.
It would be far less expensive to lose a pound a week over four months. Waaaay easier.
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owwie! 0 -
@pinuplove that's what freaks me out about plastic surgery on the belly. The surface area trauma is massive compared to bariatric surgery. The recovery takes months. For me, no thanks.2
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manwaffles wrote: »manwaffles wrote: »Is this your slick way of asking if any of us are cocaine or meth dealers?...
Why on earth would I want to know if someone is on drugs. I could care less. I am asking about weight loss suppliments. And things like stomach wrap, vibrating machines, twisting boards, freezing, surgery and so on. Not what kind of wacky drugs someone uses.
Eets a jolk...My sarcastic response was alluding to the theme of most of these answers: There is no replacement for good ol diet and exercise, short of surgeries or illegal substances
Oh my goodness I apologize for freaking out. It seemed like a serious statement so I was like wtf lol4
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