No Calorie Sodas and Weight
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The statistics are clear. People that drink diet drinks over water tend to weigh more. I hope that someday the reason why is found.
Study after study cannot be biased/ pushing an agenda. What agenda? To stop drinking diet drinks? Coke would fight tooth and nail against this.
I can even go to a family gathering and notice those that are drinking a diet drink weigh more than those drinking a water bottle. The statistics are not lying.
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TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »The statistics are clear. People that drink diet drinks over water tend to weigh more. I hope that someday the reason why is found.
Study after study cannot be biased/ pushing an agenda. What agenda? To stop drinking diet drinks? Coke would fight tooth and nail against this.
I can even go to a family gathering and notice those that are drinking a diet drink weigh more than those drinking a water bottle. The statistics are not lying.
I absolutely agree with this. When I drink soda, diet or not, I am way more inclined to eat something I shouldn't. I feel like I have better control over myself when I drink water.7 -
I guess I must be an outlier, then. Dropped nearly 70 lbs in 8 months and if anything, I've upped my diet soda consumption.17
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Everyone is different. That might work for SOME, but it surely does not work for me. Lol. I require at least 80oz of water to keep myself full throughout the day without over eating. I cannot imagine drinking 80oz in reg or diet soda.5
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TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »The statistics are clear. People that drink diet drinks over water tend to weigh more. I hope that someday the reason why is found.
Study after study cannot be biased/ pushing an agenda. What agenda? To stop drinking diet drinks? Coke would fight tooth and nail against this.
I can even go to a family gathering and notice those that are drinking a diet drink weigh more than those drinking a water bottle. The statistics are not lying.
I've already noted this, but one study I looked at it implied that there is a psychological component whereby people think they're being good by drinking a diet soda and that, that somehow offsets the other copious amounts of calories they're taking in. It's not the soda itself. The studies aren't lying, they just don't tell the whole story which is typical of a correlation study.
This is pretty observable when dining out...someone with a huge double cheeseburger with bacon and extra large french fry...but it's all good because they're at least drinking a diet soda. Or I'm at a BBQ and someone has 4 different kinds of meats on their plates and a pile of beans and potato salad...but hey...they're drinking a diet soda.
There is also a correlation between people who drink a lot of water being more health conscious in general...they watch their diets more closely and are typically regular exercisers.
I drink a ton of water and I usually drink one or two diet sodas in the evening...I eat a very healthful diet in general and exercise regularly...drinking diet soda did not stop me from losing weight nor has it hindered 4+ years of maintenance.
It's not the beverage...it's everything else people are doing or not doing.21 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »The statistics are clear. People that drink diet drinks over water tend to weigh more. I hope that someday the reason why is found.
Study after study cannot be biased/ pushing an agenda. What agenda? To stop drinking diet drinks? Coke would fight tooth and nail against this.
I can even go to a family gathering and notice those that are drinking a diet drink weigh more than those drinking a water bottle. The statistics are not lying.
I've already noted this, but one study I looked at it implied that there is a psychological component whereby people think they're being good by drinking a diet soda and that, that somehow offsets the other copious amounts of calories they're taking in. It's not the soda itself. The studies aren't lying, they just don't tell the whole story which is typical of a correlation study.
This is pretty observable when dining out...someone with a huge double cheeseburger with bacon and extra large french fry...but it's all good because they're at least drinking a diet soda. Or I'm at a BBQ and someone has 4 different kinds of meats on their plates and a pile of beans and potato salad...but hey...they're drinking a diet soda.
There is also a correlation between people who drink a lot of water being more health conscious in general...they watch their diets more closely and are typically regular exercisers.
I drink a ton of water and I usually drink one or two diet sodas in the evening...I eat a very healthful diet in general and exercise regularly...drinking diet soda did not stop me from losing weight nor has it hindered 4+ years of maintenance.
It's not the beverage...it's everything else people are doing or not doing.
Spot on.
I always think of the Columbia University study between flossing and heart disease. Rather obvious to take a step back and observe that perhaps those who floss in general take better care of their overall health and thereby carry a decreased risk profile in regards to heart health.
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chelseahatch24 wrote: »TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »The statistics are clear. People that drink diet drinks over water tend to weigh more. I hope that someday the reason why is found.
Study after study cannot be biased/ pushing an agenda. What agenda? To stop drinking diet drinks? Coke would fight tooth and nail against this.
I can even go to a family gathering and notice those that are drinking a diet drink weigh more than those drinking a water bottle. The statistics are not lying.
I absolutely agree with this. When I drink soda, diet or not, I am way more inclined to eat something I shouldn't. I feel like I have better control over myself when I drink water.
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thecrushinator wrote: »My old trainer told me that the reason behind diet soda causing weight gain was that the artificial sweeteners spike blood sugar more than regular sugar does, making people less insulin sensitive and then seeking even more sugar when you sugar crash. Also it (might just be me) turns you into a Macy's parade float.
Only it's not true. They've done studies specifically on this, and diet soda doesn't cause insulin spikes. It may cause an increase in leptin, the enzyme in saliva that begins to metabolize carbohydrates, which may be why **some** people feel hungrier.
I enjoy my diet soda. It helps curb my desire for sweets.
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My advice, if you're going to drink diet soda, try one that doesn't have the aspartame in it, like diet Pepsi or diet coke with splenda.
No thanks. Diet Pepsi's change made it less palatable, and my mom even switched from CF Diet Pepsi to CF Diet Coke.
Also: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary
Same here! Sucralose (brand name = Splenda) is nasty tasting.
And it hasn't been as extensively studied as aspartame (mostly because it's newer).0 -
TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »The statistics are clear. People that drink diet drinks over water tend to weigh more. I hope that someday the reason why is found.
Study after study cannot be biased/ pushing an agenda. What agenda? To stop drinking diet drinks? Coke would fight tooth and nail against this.
I can even go to a family gathering and notice those that are drinking a diet drink weigh more than those drinking a water bottle. The statistics are not lying.
The statistics are clear. On days where more people walk around with umbrellas it tends to rain more often. I hope that someday the reason why is found.
Jokes aside, that seems to be the occam's razor, doesn't it? People are overweight and start drinking diet pop instead of regular to save calories.23 -
There can be all form of correlational and qualitative research studies out there in regards to the consumption of diet soda's I suppose, along with a plethora of anecdotal rhetoric. At the end of the day, the heart of the matter is unchanged: diet soda does not cause weight gain. People looking for a reason to gripe have far more attractive targets within nutrition to focus their energies than Diet Coke.7
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I think one of the issues with diet sodas is that given how incredibly sweet they are they contribute to a "sweet tooth" (i.e., a craving for sweet foods). They might not have any calories, but I worry they can derail your weight loss goals in the long term by fueling your craving for sweets.
I've read a bit about the possibility that aspartame messes with your gut flora in a bad way, but I don't think there's enough evidence yet. But I've cut it out of my diet just the same.
You could try switching to flavored seltzer water (LaCroix, etc.). No artificial sweeteners, but still carbonated and satisfying. It's not super sweet, so it takes getting used to. But you can get used to it. At least that's what I've done. Good luck to you!4 -
TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »The statistics are clear. People that drink diet drinks over water tend to weigh more. I hope that someday the reason why is found.
Study after study cannot be biased/ pushing an agenda. What agenda? To stop drinking diet drinks? Coke would fight tooth and nail against this.
I can even go to a family gathering and notice those that are drinking a diet drink weigh more than those drinking a water bottle. The statistics are not lying.
As observation that heavier people drink diet drinks and skinnier people drink water is not the same as saying "diet drink cause weight gain/obesity". My issue with the articles I was reading was they were making that connection. They didn't say "people who drink diet drinks over water tend to be heavier than people who drink only water". But as people have said earlier, people wouldn't read such tame articles haha.
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I was an heavy drinker... of Coke Zero.
I stopped it when I realized that acidity in these soda is very high and damages the teeth.
https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/
PRODUCT pH
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
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Coke Zero 3.18
Bad.
Now just occasionally in restaurants and eating at the same time.6 -
I was an heavy drinker... of Coke Zero.
I stopped it when I realized that acidity in these soda is very high and damages the teeth.
https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/
PRODUCT pH
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
...
Coke Zero 3.18
Bad.
Now just occasionally in restaurants and eating at the same time.
Sure, if you're soaking your teeth in it. Or, I guess, drinking it all day long.
For reference, though, what is the pH of Orange juice? Tomato juice? Because the issue never comes up when we talk about those.
ETA: I went a looked it up. Here's some more https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/ (Same link as above poster)
V8 100% Vegetable Juice 4.29
Tropicana 100% Apple Juice 4.05
Crystal Light Sunrise Ruby Red Grapefruit 3.81
Minute Maid Orange Juice 3.70
Welch’s Concord Grape 3.24
Ocean Spray White Cranberry Peach 2.96
Mouth Wash
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
Biotene Blue Label 4.93
Listerine 4.24
Crest ProHealth Rinse 3.57
Tom’s of Maine Tartar Control-Peppermint 3.43
Look again at the mouthwash. We swish it around our teeth. I don't know of many people who regularly do that with Coke Zero (or any soda ... Coke Zero has a higher pH than many sodas, fwiw). But it's the acid in soda that's a concern?16 -
Well I guess I don't have to worry about the Diet Cherry Pepsi, then because as a lifetime tooth-grinder, I have no enamel on my teeth anyway. I just brush a lot now.4
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cwolfman13 wrote: »TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »The statistics are clear. People that drink diet drinks over water tend to weigh more. I hope that someday the reason why is found.
Study after study cannot be biased/ pushing an agenda. What agenda? To stop drinking diet drinks? Coke would fight tooth and nail against this.
I can even go to a family gathering and notice those that are drinking a diet drink weigh more than those drinking a water bottle. The statistics are not lying.
I've already noted this, but one study I looked at it implied that there is a psychological component whereby people think they're being good by drinking a diet soda and that, that somehow offsets the other copious amounts of calories they're taking in. It's not the soda itself. The studies aren't lying, they just don't tell the whole story which is typical of a correlation study.
This is pretty observable when dining out...someone with a huge double cheeseburger with bacon and extra large french fry...but it's all good because they're at least drinking a diet soda. Or I'm at a BBQ and someone has 4 different kinds of meats on their plates and a pile of beans and potato salad...but hey...they're drinking a diet soda.
It's not the beverage...it's everything else people are doing or not doing.
I could easily be that guy with the bacon cheeseburger, fries, and a diet drink. If I have room in my day for the bacon on my cheeseburger or a regular soda, I'm taking the bacon every time.15 -
It DOESN'T cause weight gain. You can't gain weight on a 0 calorie drink. Well unless you count water weight after drinking it as weight. All the other BS out there is correlation which isn't the same thing as causation.No idea if it directly causes weight gain. However, personally, I try to replace soda with water or tea. I feel like drinking the diet soda leaves me more thirsty and with the munchies!! Water is much more satisfying. Tea gives me caffeine, if that's what I'm craving. I have herbal tea if I just want something to sip on; I love mint tea. I keep flavored sparkling water at home for when I'm looking for some bubbles to enjoy. I really feel better when I'm not drinking soda or diet soda regularly!
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Trainer is wrong. How does it spike blood sugar when there's no sugar in it? Why is it approved for diabetics by the ADA as an alternative? Don't believe the "broscience".thecrushinator wrote: »My old trainer told me that the reason behind diet soda causing weight gain was that the artificial sweeteners spike blood sugar more than regular sugar does, making people less insulin sensitive and then seeking even more sugar when you sugar crash. Also it (might just be me) turns you into a Macy's parade float.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »The statistics are clear. People that drink diet drinks over water tend to weigh more. I hope that someday the reason why is found.
Study after study cannot be biased/ pushing an agenda. What agenda? To stop drinking diet drinks? Coke would fight tooth and nail against this.
I can even go to a family gathering and notice those that are drinking a diet drink weigh more than those drinking a water bottle. The statistics are not lying.
I've already noted this, but one study I looked at it implied that there is a psychological component whereby people think they're being good by drinking a diet soda and that, that somehow offsets the other copious amounts of calories they're taking in. It's not the soda itself. The studies aren't lying, they just don't tell the whole story which is typical of a correlation study.
This is pretty observable when dining out...someone with a huge double cheeseburger with bacon and extra large french fry...but it's all good because they're at least drinking a diet soda. Or I'm at a BBQ and someone has 4 different kinds of meats on their plates and a pile of beans and potato salad...but hey...they're drinking a diet soda.
It's not the beverage...it's everything else people are doing or not doing.
I could easily be that guy with the bacon cheeseburger, fries, and a diet drink. If I have room in my day for the bacon on my cheeseburger or a regular soda, I'm taking the bacon every time.
Agreed. Not sure why ordering a diet soda with a high calorie meal matters. You cut the calories out and you make room for other things. *shrug*3 -
Again a correlation. Kinda like people that tend to drive have a higher risk of a car accident than those that take public transportation.TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »The statistics are clear. People that drink diet drinks over water tend to weigh more. I hope that someday the reason why is found.
Study after study cannot be biased/ pushing an agenda. What agenda? To stop drinking diet drinks? Coke would fight tooth and nail against this.
I can even go to a family gathering and notice those that are drinking a diet drink weigh more than those drinking a water bottle. The statistics are not lying.
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You're right everyone is different. There's no way I would need 80 oz of water to keep myself from overeating. I just focus on not overeating.chelseahatch24 wrote: »Everyone is different. That might work for SOME, but it surely does not work for me. Lol. I require at least 80oz of water to keep myself full throughout the day without over eating. I cannot imagine drinking 80oz in reg or diet soda.
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Well if one had bad oral hygiene, any citrus fruit would do the same. So would you stop eating citrus fruits too? Point being, if you take care of your teeth AFTER eating/drinking, acidity is not a problem.I was an heavy drinker... of Coke Zero.
I stopped it when I realized that acidity in these soda is very high and damages the teeth.
https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/
PRODUCT pH
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
...
Coke Zero 3.18
Bad.
Now just occasionally in restaurants and eating at the same time.
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+1. People get hung up on "deflective" terminology without knowing what "healthy" alternatives also do to our teeth.I was an heavy drinker... of Coke Zero.
I stopped it when I realized that acidity in these soda is very high and damages the teeth.
https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/
PRODUCT pH
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
...
Coke Zero 3.18
Bad.
Now just occasionally in restaurants and eating at the same time.
Sure, if you're soaking your teeth in it. Or, I guess, drinking it all day long.
For reference, though, what is the pH of Orange juice? Tomato juice? Because the issue never comes up when we talk about those.
ETA: I went a looked it up. Here's some more https://www.sheltondentistry.com/patient-information/ph-values-common-drinks/ (Same link as above poster)
V8 100% Vegetable Juice 4.29
Tropicana 100% Apple Juice 4.05
Crystal Light Sunrise Ruby Red Grapefruit 3.81
Minute Maid Orange Juice 3.70
Welch’s Concord Grape 3.24
Ocean Spray White Cranberry Peach 2.96
Mouth Wash
NEUTRAL pH 7.00
Dentin dissolves below 6.50
Enamel dissolves below 5.50
Biotene Blue Label 4.93
Listerine 4.24
Crest ProHealth Rinse 3.57
Tom’s of Maine Tartar Control-Peppermint 3.43
Look again at the mouthwash. We swish it around our teeth. I don't know of many people who regularly do that with Coke Zero (or any soda ... Coke Zero has a higher pH than many sodas, fwiw). But it's the acid in soda that's a concern?
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TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »The statistics are clear. People that drink diet drinks over water tend to weigh more. I hope that someday the reason why is found.
Study after study cannot be biased/ pushing an agenda. What agenda? To stop drinking diet drinks? Coke would fight tooth and nail against this.
I can even go to a family gathering and notice those that are drinking a diet drink weigh more than those drinking a water bottle. The statistics are not lying.
Whereas you can go to one of my family get togethers and I'm the only one who's drinking a diet soda and I'm also the only one, besides my husband, who's not overweight or obese, (I have a current bmi of 20.3). I'm also the only one in my family who's reversed the progression of prediabetes. The obese type 2 diabetics in my family are the ones drinking coffee, water, regular soda or iced tea. They're also the ones you'll notice going back for 3rds or 4ths.
OP-I just posted in the other diet soda thread going, but I lost 50lbs and improved all my health markers, including normalizing a high glucose number, while drinking up to 5 cans of diet soda a day. In the 4 years of successful maintenance that have followed my weight loss phase I've continued to drink diet soda every day.8 -
My advice, if you're going to drink diet soda, try one that doesn't have the aspartame in it, like diet Pepsi or diet coke with splenda.
No thanks. Diet Pepsi's change made it less palatable, and my mom even switched from CF Diet Pepsi to CF Diet Coke.
Also: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary
Same here! Sucralose (brand name = Splenda) is nasty tasting.
And it hasn't been as extensively studied as aspartame (mostly because it's newer).
Personal preference-I exclusively use sucralose in my coffee because I prefer the flavor over regular sugar or other artificial sweeteners.4 -
I do know there is talk about the aspartame being harmful to some people.I drink 3 Diet Dr Pepper's on most days and still manage to get in 80-100 oz of ice water with lemon juice.It doesn't make me crave sweets.I'm a former diabetic and weigh less than 125 and although I end up eating more carbs maybe the diet drinks have not made me fat.I also don't eat many sweets as a former diabetic not wanting to be diabetic again.The reason I drink so much water is because I have IBS-C and that keeps things moving.Water also helps my appetite between meals.I don't like Diet Pepsi and although I will drink a Diet Coke on occasion I just prefer Diet Dr Pepper.0
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A lot of people with type 2 diabetes start drinking diet sodas to keep there blood sugar from flying through the roof. I haven't read anything on it, but most of the people I know who tell me they have type 2 are also obese. That's also why my parents drink diet soda. They drink it because having a regular soda and a pint of ice cream is potentially life threatening to them.
I drink it when I crave sweets instead of eating sweets. My diet soda consumption has probably doubled while I've been losing weight and I've lost about 90 pounds.
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I have only had regular soda a couple of times in years just because regular no longer seemed worth the calories to me, and with a history of prediabetes, I do try to cut sugar out where I can. To me it was an easy switch. (Though I hate diet Pepsi but like Coke Zero and love Diet A&W.) For a while on my first low carb diet (when I was working to reverse the prediabetes), Diet A&W was a lifesaver for me to curb my craving for sweets and keep me from feeling "deprived."
I'm sure the correlation is there but I have a BMI of 20 and there are plenty of us slimmer people who drink diet soda for various reasons.
Re liking water meaning your tastebuds must be shot? I've always loved ice water but trust me, I enjoy the taste of food very much, too!3 -
I've read the same thing about diet soda making you gain weight. I had a co-worker constantly telling me how bad diet soda is for me, so I tried the regular for a few weeks and gained weight. I drink TONS of diet Dr. Pepper and only recently starting drinking a little water, but the regular definitely made me gain weight whereas the diet did not. I guess neither one is good for you, but if you just have to have it (like me), I would stick with the diet if you don't want to gain weight.1
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