30 Days No Junk No Soda !!

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  • cerise_noir
    cerise_noir Posts: 5,468 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    HarryPro wrote: »
    You guys really get upset over the littlest thing huh? I feel like the diets you folks are on must be making you miserable that you need to lash out so often.

    ironic..

    you said that fast food is "poison" and we want to know how exactly it is poison...

    Extremely ironic. ;)
  • cerise_noir
    cerise_noir Posts: 5,468 Member
    HarryPro wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    HarryPro wrote: »
    When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food.

    Eh, depending on how one defines fast food (does Pret count? it's pretty darn fast?) and ignoring my occasional LaCroix (isn't that soda?) and diet Coke/ginger ale, I never really ate this stuff even before MFP. Not because it's "poison" (I don't think it is, and generalizing about fast food and all candy -- even the homemade stuff? -- is hard to do), but because my indulgences are different ones.

    So cutting it out wouldn't be worthwhile for me (as I don't eat it).

    It seems a strange thing to fixate on given how much else goes into having a good diet. If those things were foods I enjoyed, I'd be more proud of myself for eating an overall nutritious diet with sensible calories and lots of vegetables, personally, than whether or not I totally eliminated something I liked.

    But whatever.

    (I do think OP trying a 30 day change if she thinks foods are too significant part of her diet is reasonable, just not that well defined for others joining in if that's what she wants. I cut out added sugar for 30 days as an experiment and then added it back in moderation. For some of us limited term challenges can be helpful. But I HATE the idea that not eating specific demonized foods is what nutrition is all about, whereas if you eat the nutrient-dense foods in the variety needed to get in everything on limited calories, you won't be eating so called "junk" in excess anyway.)

    Fair enough but I think you would be hard pressed to find a doctor who believed eating candy fastfood and soda every day was wise. In fact, I suspect a doctor looking at a habitual diet of these things would suggest that it would harm your quality of life over time ... yaknow, like poison ;)
    Err, no. Just no.
    Doctors know squat about nutrition, anyway.
  • HarryPro
    HarryPro Posts: 47 Member
    cerise_noir wrote: »
    HarryPro wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    HarryPro wrote: »
    When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food.

    Eh, depending on how one defines fast food (does Pret count? it's pretty darn fast?) and ignoring my occasional LaCroix (isn't that soda?) and diet Coke/ginger ale, I never really ate this stuff even before MFP. Not because it's "poison" (I don't think it is, and generalizing about fast food and all candy -- even the homemade stuff? -- is hard to do), but because my indulgences are different ones.

    So cutting it out wouldn't be worthwhile for me (as I don't eat it).

    It seems a strange thing to fixate on given how much else goes into having a good diet. If those things were foods I enjoyed, I'd be more proud of myself for eating an overall nutritious diet with sensible calories and lots of vegetables, personally, than whether or not I totally eliminated something I liked.

    But whatever.

    (I do think OP trying a 30 day change if she thinks foods are too significant part of her diet is reasonable, just not that well defined for others joining in if that's what she wants. I cut out added sugar for 30 days as an experiment and then added it back in moderation. For some of us limited term challenges can be helpful. But I HATE the idea that not eating specific demonized foods is what nutrition is all about, whereas if you eat the nutrient-dense foods in the variety needed to get in everything on limited calories, you won't be eating so called "junk" in excess anyway.)

    Fair enough but I think you would be hard pressed to find a doctor who believed eating candy fastfood and soda every day was wise. In fact, I suspect a doctor looking at a habitual diet of these things would suggest that it would harm your quality of life over time ... yaknow, like poison ;)
    Err, no. Just no.
    Doctors know squat about nutrition, anyway.

    Ok.
  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
    HarryPro wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    HarryPro wrote: »
    When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food.

    Eh, depending on how one defines fast food (does Pret count? it's pretty darn fast?) and ignoring my occasional LaCroix (isn't that soda?) and diet Coke/ginger ale, I never really ate this stuff even before MFP. Not because it's "poison" (I don't think it is, and generalizing about fast food and all candy -- even the homemade stuff? -- is hard to do), but because my indulgences are different ones.

    So cutting it out wouldn't be worthwhile for me (as I don't eat it).

    It seems a strange thing to fixate on given how much else goes into having a good diet. If those things were foods I enjoyed, I'd be more proud of myself for eating an overall nutritious diet with sensible calories and lots of vegetables, personally, than whether or not I totally eliminated something I liked.

    But whatever.

    (I do think OP trying a 30 day change if she thinks foods are too significant part of her diet is reasonable, just not that well defined for others joining in if that's what she wants. I cut out added sugar for 30 days as an experiment and then added it back in moderation. For some of us limited term challenges can be helpful. But I HATE the idea that not eating specific demonized foods is what nutrition is all about, whereas if you eat the nutrient-dense foods in the variety needed to get in everything on limited calories, you won't be eating so called "junk" in excess anyway.)

    Fair enough but I think you would be hard pressed to find a doctor who believed eating candy fastfood and soda every day was wise. In fact, I suspect a doctor looking at a habitual diet of these things would suggest that it would harm your quality of life over time ... yaknow, like poison ;)

    Can you point to where someone is advocating building a diet of primarily candy, fast food, and soda? Do you understand that there is a middle ground between eating a diet comprised primarily of "junk" (whatever your definition of junk is, as @lemurcat12 pointed out, there are a lot of definitions) and considering it poison and something that should never be consumed in any quantity or frequency?

    Additionally, if a person is getting adequate nutrition and is at a healthy weight, why would a doctor have an issue with them incorporating these foods into their diet on a daily basis? Does eating a cheeseburger for lunch every day negate the benefits of a veggie omelet for breakfast, some salmon, quinoa, and broccoli for dinner? You do realize that fast food is not all double whoppers and super size fries, right? There are countless examples of people even here on MFP who incorporate fast food into their diets on a regular basis with no adverse effects and in fact, overall health and fitness improvements in line with their overall regimen.
  • Packerjohn
    Packerjohn Posts: 4,855 Member
    cerise_noir wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    Rivers2k wrote: »
    Don't listen to the neigh sayers. In boot camp we didn't get soda for 3 months. Day before graduation is family day. We all went to Burger King and we were writhing in pain all night muscles hurt so bad. Our Drill instructors laughed at us, they see it every class and knew what was coming. How I got back into that poison I don't know. I too am cutting out soda but everything else in moderation.

    what is this connection between drinking diet soda and writhing in muscle pain?

    I drink diet soda before I go to the gym with zero issues...

    Good it works for you but not everyone.

    "Carbonation causes many people to feel bloated, particularly if consumed quickly or in large amounts. Drinking soda or other carbonated drinks causes excess air to build up in your stomach, resulting in bloating. Being bloated is likely to make exercise more difficult because that full feeling interferes with efficiency and may slow you down. In addition, that air in your belly may cause you to burp, creating more discomfort that may hinder your performance."

    From this article:
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/517219-the-effects-of-carbonated-drinks-on-exercising/

    And that's why we were designed to fart and burp.

    So farting isn't just for clearing rooms and getting to the front of the line, then!

    And you want to eat or drink something that causes stomach issues before woeking out?

    Go for it
  • Packerjohn
    Packerjohn Posts: 4,855 Member
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    livingleanlivingclean wrote: »
    HarryPro wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    HarryPro wrote: »
    When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food.

    Eh, depending on how one defines fast food (does Pret count? it's pretty darn fast?) and ignoring my occasional LaCroix (isn't that soda?) and diet Coke/ginger ale, I never really ate this stuff even before MFP. Not because it's "poison" (I don't think it is, and generalizing about fast food and all candy -- even the homemade stuff? -- is hard to do), but because my indulgences are different ones.

    So cutting it out wouldn't be worthwhile for me (as I don't eat it).

    It seems a strange thing to fixate on given how much else goes into having a good diet. If those things were foods I enjoyed, I'd be more proud of myself for eating an overall nutritious diet with sensible calories and lots of vegetables, personally, than whether or not I totally eliminated something I liked.

    But whatever.

    (I do think OP trying a 30 day change if she thinks foods are too significant part of her diet is reasonable, just not that well defined for others joining in if that's what she wants. I cut out added sugar for 30 days as an experiment and then added it back in moderation. For some of us limited term challenges can be helpful. But I HATE the idea that not eating specific demonized foods is what nutrition is all about, whereas if you eat the nutrient-dense foods in the variety needed to get in everything on limited calories, you won't be eating so called "junk" in excess anyway.)

    Fair enough but I think you would be hard pressed to find a doctor who believed eating candy fastfood and soda every day was wise. In fact, I suspect a doctor looking at a habitual diet of these things would suggest that it would harm your quality of life over time ... yaknow, like poison ;)

    I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Dr with more than a limited knowledge of anything nutrition related.

    To be honest a registered dietitian (who does have extensive knowledge of nutrition) would have issues with eating candy, fast food and drinking regular soda on a daily basis for thexample vast majority of the population.

    I would hope that someone who was educated in nutrition would have a more nuanced view than "It's poison." If an RD couldn't or wouldn't acknowledge the difference between foods that may keep you from meeting your nutritional and calorie goals and poison, I'd seek another RD.

    My comment didn't call anythin poison. I would not expect a Registered Dietitian to call any untainted food poison.

  • sheldonz42
    sheldonz42 Posts: 233 Member
    And I learned that Subway sells Whoppers. You really do learn something new every day!
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    HarryPro wrote: »
    I am starting to suspect this is a support group for people who like bullshitting each other. Enjoy you diet Whoppers folks ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    @HarryPro When I first started participating in these forums I viewed a lot of posters the same way you do. However, if you stick around you will see that their beliefs are actually a lot more nuanced than what appears at first glance.

    It's easy to get the perception that a lot of people are saying, "Fast food is great!" "Junk food is great!" but I eventually came to the conclusion that what the majority actually believe is what winogelato said:
    WinoGelato wrote: »
    dennissmith33821 wrote: »
    So much negative, nothing wrong with going junk and sugar free for 30 days. and after that definately moderation

    These conversations often get derailed, and this one is no exception. I don't think anyone disputes that looking at overall diet and making smart choices with regards to either limiting, or excluding foods that someone has difficulty moderating, in order to be able to adhere to their deficit and achieve nutritional goals is important. What some people are trying to point out is that it is possible to include these type of foods, in an otherwise healthy and balanced diet, if one chooses. For many, many people - giving up foods they love forever, or even for an extended period of time - is not something sustainable. And in my opinion, there's no real reason to do an arbitrary "challenge" that you don't intend to adhere to permanently. Why not just start working on finding the way of eating that you intend to follow all the way through into maintenance?

    And again, a consideration for "trigger foods" should be made, if someone has difficulty in moderating foods, then tighter controls may be necessary until the point when a person is able to moderate them, if they choose to work on moderation (not everyone wants to reintroduce the foods they have cut out).

    But overall, there are many misconceptions about foods prevalent in the world today - calling foods "poison" really isn't a helpful perspective for many who are confused and may be struggling to find an approach that works for them. Telling someone that they HAVE to cut out sugar, or carbs, or "white foods" or any of the many woo based theories that are floated here regularly, isn't helpful, because it isn't true. So that is why people jump in, to dispute the woo and pseudoscience, not because they want to discourage the OP.
  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
    wmd1979 wrote: »
    I didn't see OP stating that everyone needed to do what she is doing, yet right away out come all the familiar faces spouting their same recycled lines questioning her decision. She seems to be doing this of her own free will, and if it makes her feel better to change her diet up for 30 days then why does everyone care so much? Can you eat nothing but ice cream and cookies and lose weight? If you are at a caloric deficit then of course you can, however some people may find it easier to stay in a deficit, or prevent overeating by cutting back on some of those foods.

    It just boils down to doing whatever works for you, and makes you feel better. If you can have your cake and eat it too then I think that is awesome, and more power to you. When I am cutting, I generally cut some of the sweet stuff out because I find that makes it easier for me to stay in a deficit and stay satiated. I am still perfectly content eating that way. People seem to get into an uproar when someone else talks about cutting out, or cutting back on sugar but I just don't get what the big deal is.

    Because of all the reasons I mentioned above... but also... losing weight is hard. And for many of us, it is a marathon, not a sprint. Why make it harder than it needs to be, by arbitrarily cutting out completely (not cutting back but completely excluding) foods that you enjoy, if it is not necessary? Like I mentioned, there is such a prevalence of misinformation floating around, people get confused, and dispelling that bad information and focusing on what is necessary (truly, just a calorie deficit for weight loss; with overall nutrition being very important as well) is why people respond in these sorts of posts.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    Packerjohn wrote: »
    livingleanlivingclean wrote: »
    HarryPro wrote: »
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    HarryPro wrote: »
    When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food.

    Eh, depending on how one defines fast food (does Pret count? it's pretty darn fast?) and ignoring my occasional LaCroix (isn't that soda?) and diet Coke/ginger ale, I never really ate this stuff even before MFP. Not because it's "poison" (I don't think it is, and generalizing about fast food and all candy -- even the homemade stuff? -- is hard to do), but because my indulgences are different ones.

    So cutting it out wouldn't be worthwhile for me (as I don't eat it).

    It seems a strange thing to fixate on given how much else goes into having a good diet. If those things were foods I enjoyed, I'd be more proud of myself for eating an overall nutritious diet with sensible calories and lots of vegetables, personally, than whether or not I totally eliminated something I liked.

    But whatever.

    (I do think OP trying a 30 day change if she thinks foods are too significant part of her diet is reasonable, just not that well defined for others joining in if that's what she wants. I cut out added sugar for 30 days as an experiment and then added it back in moderation. For some of us limited term challenges can be helpful. But I HATE the idea that not eating specific demonized foods is what nutrition is all about, whereas if you eat the nutrient-dense foods in the variety needed to get in everything on limited calories, you won't be eating so called "junk" in excess anyway.)

    Fair enough but I think you would be hard pressed to find a doctor who believed eating candy fastfood and soda every day was wise. In fact, I suspect a doctor looking at a habitual diet of these things would suggest that it would harm your quality of life over time ... yaknow, like poison ;)

    I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Dr with more than a limited knowledge of anything nutrition related.

    To be honest a registered dietitian (who does have extensive knowledge of nutrition) would have issues with eating candy, fast food and drinking regular soda on a daily basis for thexample vast majority of the population.

    I would hope that someone who was educated in nutrition would have a more nuanced view than "It's poison." If an RD couldn't or wouldn't acknowledge the difference between foods that may keep you from meeting your nutritional and calorie goals and poison, I'd seek another RD.

    My comment didn't call anythin poison. I would not expect a Registered Dietitian to call any untainted food poison.

    No, but if you review the conversation that you were responding to, some foods were specifically called poison. I understand that may not be your position, but it's the position being argued by @HarryPro
  • JeromeBarry1
    JeromeBarry1 Posts: 10,179 Member
    mrsnattybulking wrote: »
    I've been on mfp 5 years and I have yet to see anyone qualify what a toxin actually is. The closest I can get in my own head is oxidative stress

    Hence the green tea extract.
  • Carlos_421
    Carlos_421 Posts: 5,132 Member
    spiriteagle99 wrote: »
    A challenge like this can be a good way of breaking habits like always having dessert or drinking a lot of soda. After you are done, you may find you have really decreased your need for sugar. Good luck. After the first week it gets much easier.

    Actually, a cold turkey challenge like this is more likely to result in failure after a few days than to result in lasting habits.
    For lasting habits, baby steps towards learning to eat an appropriate amount of calories and sufficient micro/macronutrients while slowly increasing activity level will be much more effective for most people.
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