30 Days No Junk No Soda !!
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Extremely ironic.
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Packerjohn wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food.
Eh, depending on how one defines fast food (does Pret count? it's pretty darn fast?) and ignoring my occasional LaCroix (isn't that soda?) and diet Coke/ginger ale, I never really ate this stuff even before MFP. Not because it's "poison" (I don't think it is, and generalizing about fast food and all candy -- even the homemade stuff? -- is hard to do), but because my indulgences are different ones.
So cutting it out wouldn't be worthwhile for me (as I don't eat it).
It seems a strange thing to fixate on given how much else goes into having a good diet. If those things were foods I enjoyed, I'd be more proud of myself for eating an overall nutritious diet with sensible calories and lots of vegetables, personally, than whether or not I totally eliminated something I liked.
But whatever.
(I do think OP trying a 30 day change if she thinks foods are too significant part of her diet is reasonable, just not that well defined for others joining in if that's what she wants. I cut out added sugar for 30 days as an experiment and then added it back in moderation. For some of us limited term challenges can be helpful. But I HATE the idea that not eating specific demonized foods is what nutrition is all about, whereas if you eat the nutrient-dense foods in the variety needed to get in everything on limited calories, you won't be eating so called "junk" in excess anyway.)
Fair enough but I think you would be hard pressed to find a doctor who believed eating candy fastfood and soda every day was wise. In fact, I suspect a doctor looking at a habitual diet of these things would suggest that it would harm your quality of life over time ... yaknow, like poison
I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Dr with more than a limited knowledge of anything nutrition related.
To be honest a registered dietitian (who does have extensive knowledge of nutrition) would have issues with eating candy, fast food and drinking regular soda on a daily basis for thexample vast majority of the population.
I would hope that someone who was educated in nutrition would have a more nuanced view than "It's poison." If an RD couldn't or wouldn't acknowledge the difference between foods that may keep you from meeting your nutritional and calorie goals and poison, I'd seek another RD.6 -
So much negative, nothing wrong with going junk and sugar free for 30 days. and after that definately moderation5
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Err, no. Just no.lemurcat12 wrote: »When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food.
Eh, depending on how one defines fast food (does Pret count? it's pretty darn fast?) and ignoring my occasional LaCroix (isn't that soda?) and diet Coke/ginger ale, I never really ate this stuff even before MFP. Not because it's "poison" (I don't think it is, and generalizing about fast food and all candy -- even the homemade stuff? -- is hard to do), but because my indulgences are different ones.
So cutting it out wouldn't be worthwhile for me (as I don't eat it).
It seems a strange thing to fixate on given how much else goes into having a good diet. If those things were foods I enjoyed, I'd be more proud of myself for eating an overall nutritious diet with sensible calories and lots of vegetables, personally, than whether or not I totally eliminated something I liked.
But whatever.
(I do think OP trying a 30 day change if she thinks foods are too significant part of her diet is reasonable, just not that well defined for others joining in if that's what she wants. I cut out added sugar for 30 days as an experiment and then added it back in moderation. For some of us limited term challenges can be helpful. But I HATE the idea that not eating specific demonized foods is what nutrition is all about, whereas if you eat the nutrient-dense foods in the variety needed to get in everything on limited calories, you won't be eating so called "junk" in excess anyway.)
Fair enough but I think you would be hard pressed to find a doctor who believed eating candy fastfood and soda every day was wise. In fact, I suspect a doctor looking at a habitual diet of these things would suggest that it would harm your quality of life over time ... yaknow, like poison
Doctors know squat about nutrition, anyway.
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cerise_noir wrote: »
Err, no. Just no.lemurcat12 wrote: »When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food.
Eh, depending on how one defines fast food (does Pret count? it's pretty darn fast?) and ignoring my occasional LaCroix (isn't that soda?) and diet Coke/ginger ale, I never really ate this stuff even before MFP. Not because it's "poison" (I don't think it is, and generalizing about fast food and all candy -- even the homemade stuff? -- is hard to do), but because my indulgences are different ones.
So cutting it out wouldn't be worthwhile for me (as I don't eat it).
It seems a strange thing to fixate on given how much else goes into having a good diet. If those things were foods I enjoyed, I'd be more proud of myself for eating an overall nutritious diet with sensible calories and lots of vegetables, personally, than whether or not I totally eliminated something I liked.
But whatever.
(I do think OP trying a 30 day change if she thinks foods are too significant part of her diet is reasonable, just not that well defined for others joining in if that's what she wants. I cut out added sugar for 30 days as an experiment and then added it back in moderation. For some of us limited term challenges can be helpful. But I HATE the idea that not eating specific demonized foods is what nutrition is all about, whereas if you eat the nutrient-dense foods in the variety needed to get in everything on limited calories, you won't be eating so called "junk" in excess anyway.)
Fair enough but I think you would be hard pressed to find a doctor who believed eating candy fastfood and soda every day was wise. In fact, I suspect a doctor looking at a habitual diet of these things would suggest that it would harm your quality of life over time ... yaknow, like poison
Doctors know squat about nutrition, anyway.
Ok.
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WinoGelato wrote: »When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food. Its basically poison we reward ourselves with. I havent has any of it for a couple months now and truthfully I dont really miss it.
I think taking a periodic sabatical from junk is a good idea.
how exactly is fast food, or any of the other things you listed,"poison?" I was not aware that having a sub from subway was going to poison me....
hyperbole, much?
Sorry man, I was sure that the 53g of sugar in a bottle on coke was bad for you. Or that 900 calorie whopper.
What ever was I thinking!?
Context and dosage matters. Too much added sugar is hard to fit into an overall balanced diet, but that doesn't mean that the occasional sugary soda can never be consumed. A 900 calorie whopper wouldn't be my first choice, but I often get a McDouble and eat some of my kids fries from their Happy Meals, and with a diet soda, that barely even tops 500 calories, So how exactly does that make fast food "poison"?
Sodium, Saturated Fat, Cholesterol. I assumed most people understood the health issues associated with fast food. I suppose it speaks to the obseity problem the western world seems to be having.
Sodium is an essential nutrient, funny definition of poison you got there.8 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food.
Eh, depending on how one defines fast food (does Pret count? it's pretty darn fast?) and ignoring my occasional LaCroix (isn't that soda?) and diet Coke/ginger ale, I never really ate this stuff even before MFP. Not because it's "poison" (I don't think it is, and generalizing about fast food and all candy -- even the homemade stuff? -- is hard to do), but because my indulgences are different ones.
So cutting it out wouldn't be worthwhile for me (as I don't eat it).
It seems a strange thing to fixate on given how much else goes into having a good diet. If those things were foods I enjoyed, I'd be more proud of myself for eating an overall nutritious diet with sensible calories and lots of vegetables, personally, than whether or not I totally eliminated something I liked.
But whatever.
(I do think OP trying a 30 day change if she thinks foods are too significant part of her diet is reasonable, just not that well defined for others joining in if that's what she wants. I cut out added sugar for 30 days as an experiment and then added it back in moderation. For some of us limited term challenges can be helpful. But I HATE the idea that not eating specific demonized foods is what nutrition is all about, whereas if you eat the nutrient-dense foods in the variety needed to get in everything on limited calories, you won't be eating so called "junk" in excess anyway.)
Fair enough but I think you would be hard pressed to find a doctor who believed eating candy fastfood and soda every day was wise. In fact, I suspect a doctor looking at a habitual diet of these things would suggest that it would harm your quality of life over time ... yaknow, like poison
Can you point to where someone is advocating building a diet of primarily candy, fast food, and soda? Do you understand that there is a middle ground between eating a diet comprised primarily of "junk" (whatever your definition of junk is, as @lemurcat12 pointed out, there are a lot of definitions) and considering it poison and something that should never be consumed in any quantity or frequency?
Additionally, if a person is getting adequate nutrition and is at a healthy weight, why would a doctor have an issue with them incorporating these foods into their diet on a daily basis? Does eating a cheeseburger for lunch every day negate the benefits of a veggie omelet for breakfast, some salmon, quinoa, and broccoli for dinner? You do realize that fast food is not all double whoppers and super size fries, right? There are countless examples of people even here on MFP who incorporate fast food into their diets on a regular basis with no adverse effects and in fact, overall health and fitness improvements in line with their overall regimen.4 -
WinoGelato wrote: »When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food. Its basically poison we reward ourselves with. I havent has any of it for a couple months now and truthfully I dont really miss it.
I think taking a periodic sabatical from junk is a good idea.
how exactly is fast food, or any of the other things you listed,"poison?" I was not aware that having a sub from subway was going to poison me....
hyperbole, much?
Sorry man, I was sure that the 53g of sugar in a bottle on coke was bad for you. Or that 900 calorie whopper.
What ever was I thinking!?
Context and dosage matters. Too much added sugar is hard to fit into an overall balanced diet, but that doesn't mean that the occasional sugary soda can never be consumed. A 900 calorie whopper wouldn't be my first choice, but I often get a McDouble and eat some of my kids fries from their Happy Meals, and with a diet soda, that barely even tops 500 calories, So how exactly does that make fast food "poison"?
Sodium, Saturated Fat, Cholesterol. I assumed most people understood the health issues associated with fast food. I suppose it speaks to the obseity problem the western world seems to be having.
It's possible to sometimes consume candy, fast food, and soda and still hit goals for sodium, saturated fat, and cholesterol consumption. It's possible to cook all one's own meals and totally avoid the foods you mentioned and still consume more sodium, saturated fat, or cholesterol than one should have.
It's almost like paying attention to what is in foods and the overall context of one's diet is more important than demonizing specific foods or styles of food.6 -
WinoGelato wrote: »When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food. Its basically poison we reward ourselves with. I havent has any of it for a couple months now and truthfully I dont really miss it.
I think taking a periodic sabatical from junk is a good idea.
how exactly is fast food, or any of the other things you listed,"poison?" I was not aware that having a sub from subway was going to poison me....
hyperbole, much?
Sorry man, I was sure that the 53g of sugar in a bottle on coke was bad for you. Or that 900 calorie whopper.
What ever was I thinking!?
Context and dosage matters. Too much added sugar is hard to fit into an overall balanced diet, but that doesn't mean that the occasional sugary soda can never be consumed. A 900 calorie whopper wouldn't be my first choice, but I often get a McDouble and eat some of my kids fries from their Happy Meals, and with a diet soda, that barely even tops 500 calories, So how exactly does that make fast food "poison"?
Sodium, Saturated Fat, Cholesterol. I assumed most people understood the health issues associated with fast food. I suppose it speaks to the obseity problem the western world seems to be having.
You do realize that cholesterol in food has very little effect on your cholesterol level right?
Sodium, saturated fat and cholesterol also do not cause obesity. Overeating and sedentary lifestyle does.
And btw lots of fast food without saturated fat and cholesterol and lots of non fast food with it.5 -
I am starting to suspect this is a suppory group for people who like bullshitting each other. Enjoy you diet Whoppers folks ¯\_(ツ)_/¯10
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No it's a forum that is strong on science not bro science.14
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cerise_noir wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Don't listen to the neigh sayers. In boot camp we didn't get soda for 3 months. Day before graduation is family day. We all went to Burger King and we were writhing in pain all night muscles hurt so bad. Our Drill instructors laughed at us, they see it every class and knew what was coming. How I got back into that poison I don't know. I too am cutting out soda but everything else in moderation.
what is this connection between drinking diet soda and writhing in muscle pain?
I drink diet soda before I go to the gym with zero issues...
Good it works for you but not everyone.
"Carbonation causes many people to feel bloated, particularly if consumed quickly or in large amounts. Drinking soda or other carbonated drinks causes excess air to build up in your stomach, resulting in bloating. Being bloated is likely to make exercise more difficult because that full feeling interferes with efficiency and may slow you down. In addition, that air in your belly may cause you to burp, creating more discomfort that may hinder your performance."
From this article:
http://www.livestrong.com/article/517219-the-effects-of-carbonated-drinks-on-exercising/
And that's why we were designed to fart and burp.
So farting isn't just for clearing rooms and getting to the front of the line, then!
And you want to eat or drink something that causes stomach issues before woeking out?
Go for it3 -
dennissmith33821 wrote: »So much negative, nothing wrong with going junk and sugar free for 30 days. and after that definately moderation
These conversations often get derailed, and this one is no exception. I don't think anyone disputes that looking at overall diet and making smart choices with regards to either limiting, or excluding foods that someone has difficulty moderating, in order to be able to adhere to their deficit and achieve nutritional goals is important. What some people are trying to point out is that it is possible to include these type of foods, in an otherwise healthy and balanced diet, if one chooses. For many, many people - giving up foods they love forever, or even for an extended period of time - is not something sustainable. And in my opinion, there's no real reason to do an arbitrary "challenge" that you don't intend to adhere to permanently. Why not just start working on finding the way of eating that you intend to follow all the way through into maintenance?
And again, a consideration for "trigger foods" should be made, if someone has difficulty in moderating foods, then tighter controls may be necessary until the point when a person is able to moderate them, if they choose to work on moderation (not everyone wants to reintroduce the foods they have cut out).
But overall, there are many misconceptions about foods prevalent in the world today - calling foods "poison" really isn't a helpful perspective for many who are confused and may be struggling to find an approach that works for them. Telling someone that they HAVE to cut out sugar, or carbs, or "white foods" or any of the many woo based theories that are floated here regularly, isn't helpful, because it isn't true. So that is why people jump in, to dispute the woo and pseudoscience, not because they want to discourage the OP.
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I am starting to suspect this is a suppory group for people who like bullshitting each other. Enjoy you diet Whoppers folks ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I eat fast food about once a week and I'm shock of all shocks 5'8 124. Even though I have a chronic illness (not caused by diet) that causes nutrient deficiencies my bloodwork is perfect but what do I know about science and nutrition......5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »When I decided to make some diet changes I swore off Soda, Candy, and Fast Food.
Eh, depending on how one defines fast food (does Pret count? it's pretty darn fast?) and ignoring my occasional LaCroix (isn't that soda?) and diet Coke/ginger ale, I never really ate this stuff even before MFP. Not because it's "poison" (I don't think it is, and generalizing about fast food and all candy -- even the homemade stuff? -- is hard to do), but because my indulgences are different ones.
So cutting it out wouldn't be worthwhile for me (as I don't eat it).
It seems a strange thing to fixate on given how much else goes into having a good diet. If those things were foods I enjoyed, I'd be more proud of myself for eating an overall nutritious diet with sensible calories and lots of vegetables, personally, than whether or not I totally eliminated something I liked.
But whatever.
(I do think OP trying a 30 day change if she thinks foods are too significant part of her diet is reasonable, just not that well defined for others joining in if that's what she wants. I cut out added sugar for 30 days as an experiment and then added it back in moderation. For some of us limited term challenges can be helpful. But I HATE the idea that not eating specific demonized foods is what nutrition is all about, whereas if you eat the nutrient-dense foods in the variety needed to get in everything on limited calories, you won't be eating so called "junk" in excess anyway.)
Fair enough but I think you would be hard pressed to find a doctor who believed eating candy fastfood and soda every day was wise. In fact, I suspect a doctor looking at a habitual diet of these things would suggest that it would harm your quality of life over time ... yaknow, like poison
I think you'd be hard pressed to find a Dr with more than a limited knowledge of anything nutrition related.
To be honest a registered dietitian (who does have extensive knowledge of nutrition) would have issues with eating candy, fast food and drinking regular soda on a daily basis for thexample vast majority of the population.
I would hope that someone who was educated in nutrition would have a more nuanced view than "It's poison." If an RD couldn't or wouldn't acknowledge the difference between foods that may keep you from meeting your nutritional and calorie goals and poison, I'd seek another RD.
My comment didn't call anythin poison. I would not expect a Registered Dietitian to call any untainted food poison.
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And I learned that Subway sells Whoppers. You really do learn something new every day!4
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sheldonz42 wrote: »And I learned that Subway sells Whoppers. You really do learn something new every day!
Apparently every fast food restaurant only sells whoppers6 -
singingflutelady wrote: »sheldonz42 wrote: »And I learned that Subway sells Whoppers. You really do learn something new every day!
Apparently every fast food restaurant only sells whoppers
And they have twice the calories they actually have because you need that to fuel an otherwise weak argument.9 -
stevencloser wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »sheldonz42 wrote: »And I learned that Subway sells Whoppers. You really do learn something new every day!
Apparently every fast food restaurant only sells whoppers
And they have twice the calories they actually have because you need that to fuel an otherwise weak argument.
And the only drink available is regular coke8
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