Paleo vs Plant based vs low calorie?
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Scientists just discovered bone cancer in 1.7 million year old humanoid bones. Processed meat isn't causing cancer; it's been with us all along. Most didn't live long enough to develop it.10
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The doctor in that video spends all of his work time looking at the research. He does this for his non profit and makes nothing off of it or his book. If you want to do the research yourself, you would have to subscribe to all of the nutrition journals, or if you currently attend college it may be available for free. If you watch the video you can hear what he says about each study and then from there do your own research to find the study and read it in its entirety.16
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If it is something about youtube in particular you are against, he provides all of his information for free on www.nutritionfacts.org as well.12
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or if you don't like him or want multiple people showing the research, Dr. Joel Fuhrman has a book Eat to Live and many others you can get from the library. Oh and Dr Greger who is in the video above also has his book 'How not to Die' which would potentially be even better for looking up the research because each study will be in the back along with the journal and page number e
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Scientists just discovered bone cancer in 1.7 million year old humanoid bones. Processed meat isn't causing cancer; it's been with us all along. Most didn't live long enough to develop it.
So because someone had cancer 1.7 million years ago, XYZ doesn't "cause" cancer? Seriously???1 -
CarlaEnsink wrote: »The doctor in that video spends all of his work time looking at the research. He does this for his non profit and makes nothing off of it or his book. If you want to do the research yourself, you would have to subscribe to all of the nutrition journals, or if you currently attend college it may be available for free. If you watch the video you can hear what he says about each study and then from there do your own research to find the study and read it in its entirety.
If he spends all his work time looking at the research yet doesn't make any money for it, how does he pay his bills? Is he independently wealthy?
Why if I don't watch the video would I have to subscribe to nutritional journals and go to college in order to evaluate his claims but if I watch the video I'll be able to find the studies?
Did you evaluate the studies he cited? If you did, why not share them with me so I can read them? Or are all your claims based just on this video?8 -
CarlaEnsink wrote: »Everything in moderation. Sure, have moderate amounts of disease. I never said people who eat milk and meat and junk WILL get one of those diseases. I said statistics are NOT on the side of people eating that way. Whole food plant based eaters live longer on average (that doesn't mean every one of them!!!) and have fewer of those diseases. Statistics show that it isn't just a little bit of difference, it make a very large difference.
I presented the video which includes evidence to back it up.
I don't care if 1000 people hate on my comments, but if just 1 person saves their own life or makes changes for the better, then it is worth it. What do I get out of it personally? Nothing, other than I would feel bad if someone asks for help on which diet to chose if I don't at least point to the research that isn't funded by the meat or dairy industry.
Except the blue zones are statistically the ones where people live the longest and they DO eat animal products.10 -
CarlaEnsink wrote: »The doctor in that video spends all of his work time looking at the research. He does this for his non profit and makes nothing off of it or his book. If you want to do the research yourself, you would have to subscribe to all of the nutrition journals, or if you currently attend college it may be available for free. If you watch the video you can hear what he says about each study and then from there do your own research to find the study and read it in its entirety.
Dr McDougall and Dr Greger make a lot of money by scaring the living the crap out of people. Dr Greger's website says: "All proceeds from his speaking engagements and the sale of his books and DVDs are donated to his 501(c)3 nonprofit NutritionFacts.org". I hate to break it to you, but just because an organization is "Not for profit" for tax purposes doesn't mean the people involved don't make an ungodly amount of money in the process.12 -
CarlaEnsink wrote: »The doctor in that video spends all of his work time looking at the research. He does this for his non profit and makes nothing off of it or his book. If you want to do the research yourself, you would have to subscribe to all of the nutrition journals, or if you currently attend college it may be available for free. If you watch the video you can hear what he says about each study and then from there do your own research to find the study and read it in its entirety.
Dr McDougall and Dr Greger make a lot of money by scaring the living the crap out of people. Dr Greger's website says: "All proceeds from his speaking engagements and the sale of his books and DVDs are donated to his 501(c)3 nonprofit NutritionFacts.org". I hate to break it to you, but just because an organization is "Not for profit" for tax purposes doesn't mean the people involved don't make an ungodly amount of money in the process.
There is a huge gulf between "works for a non-profit" and "doesn't make anything from his work."7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »CarlaEnsink wrote: »The doctor in that video spends all of his work time looking at the research. He does this for his non profit and makes nothing off of it or his book. If you want to do the research yourself, you would have to subscribe to all of the nutrition journals, or if you currently attend college it may be available for free. If you watch the video you can hear what he says about each study and then from there do your own research to find the study and read it in its entirety.
Dr McDougall and Dr Greger make a lot of money by scaring the living the crap out of people. Dr Greger's website says: "All proceeds from his speaking engagements and the sale of his books and DVDs are donated to his 501(c)3 nonprofit NutritionFacts.org". I hate to break it to you, but just because an organization is "Not for profit" for tax purposes doesn't mean the people involved don't make an ungodly amount of money in the process.
There is a huge gulf between "works for a non-profit" and "doesn't make anything from his work."
Right. The organization may be non-profit. But often with non-profits, the people that work for and/or run them (usually the ones that run them) get paid hefty salaries.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »CarlaEnsink wrote: »The doctor in that video spends all of his work time looking at the research. He does this for his non profit and makes nothing off of it or his book. If you want to do the research yourself, you would have to subscribe to all of the nutrition journals, or if you currently attend college it may be available for free. If you watch the video you can hear what he says about each study and then from there do your own research to find the study and read it in its entirety.
Dr McDougall and Dr Greger make a lot of money by scaring the living the crap out of people. Dr Greger's website says: "All proceeds from his speaking engagements and the sale of his books and DVDs are donated to his 501(c)3 nonprofit NutritionFacts.org". I hate to break it to you, but just because an organization is "Not for profit" for tax purposes doesn't mean the people involved don't make an ungodly amount of money in the process.
There is a huge gulf between "works for a non-profit" and "doesn't make anything from his work."
Exactly
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janejellyroll wrote: »CarlaEnsink wrote: »The doctor in that video spends all of his work time looking at the research. He does this for his non profit and makes nothing off of it or his book. If you want to do the research yourself, you would have to subscribe to all of the nutrition journals, or if you currently attend college it may be available for free. If you watch the video you can hear what he says about each study and then from there do your own research to find the study and read it in its entirety.
Dr McDougall and Dr Greger make a lot of money by scaring the living the crap out of people. Dr Greger's website says: "All proceeds from his speaking engagements and the sale of his books and DVDs are donated to his 501(c)3 nonprofit NutritionFacts.org". I hate to break it to you, but just because an organization is "Not for profit" for tax purposes doesn't mean the people involved don't make an ungodly amount of money in the process.
There is a huge gulf between "works for a non-profit" and "doesn't make anything from his work."
Right. The organization may be non-profit. But often with non-profits, the people that work for and/or run them (usually the ones that run them) get paid hefty salaries.
They get paid. Some get paid hefty salaries. Some get paid reasonable salaries.0 -
I'm sorry that that journals aren't for free, but they are not. That's how it currently works, the info is put in journals and they cost money. That's where the scientific research is published! But then again, diseases are pretty expensive, too. All about priorities I guess.
The great thing about the not for profit site is that it isn't sponsored by meat or dairy or cola, so there is no pressure, no extra money in it for not speaking the truth.
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janejellyroll wrote: »CarlaEnsink wrote: »The doctor in that video spends all of his work time looking at the research. He does this for his non profit and makes nothing off of it or his book. If you want to do the research yourself, you would have to subscribe to all of the nutrition journals, or if you currently attend college it may be available for free. If you watch the video you can hear what he says about each study and then from there do your own research to find the study and read it in its entirety.
Dr McDougall and Dr Greger make a lot of money by scaring the living the crap out of people. Dr Greger's website says: "All proceeds from his speaking engagements and the sale of his books and DVDs are donated to his 501(c)3 nonprofit NutritionFacts.org". I hate to break it to you, but just because an organization is "Not for profit" for tax purposes doesn't mean the people involved don't make an ungodly amount of money in the process.
There is a huge gulf between "works for a non-profit" and "doesn't make anything from his work."
Right. The organization may be non-profit. But often with non-profits, the people that work for and/or run them (usually the ones that run them) get paid hefty salaries.
His latest book was a New York Times bestseller and he requests at least $10,000 (plus his travel costs) per speaking engagement (per his website).
I'm not going to discount what someone is saying just because they're making money for it. But you can't put the "He's doing it for free because he cares" cloak on someone who is clearly generating a lot of money doing what he is doing (even if that money is going into a non-profit, it's still a lot of funds).9 -
I hope he does get paid a lot! He has an important message. The important part to me is that the site is ad free and there's no push from a big corporation.16
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CarlaEnsink wrote: »I'm sorry that that journals aren't for free, but they are not. That's how it currently works, the info is put in journals and they cost money. That's where the scientific research is published! But then again, diseases are pretty expensive, too. All about priorities I guess.
The great thing about the not for profit site is that it isn't sponsored by meat or dairy or cola, so there is no pressure, no extra money in it for not speaking the truth.
You don't have to worry about how I'm going to access the studies. I promise, I'll worry about that. If you looked them up, then I can find a way to do it too. Which studies are you referring to? Which ones convinced you that people on a plant-based diet live longer than those who include animal products in their diets?9 -
Plus this is the kind of *kitten* that happens when you try to spread a message. Don't look at MY words! He's an expert in researching the studies. Listen to him and then decide.16
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CarlaEnsink wrote: »Plus this is the kind of *kitten* that happens when you try to spread a message. Don't look at MY words! He's an expert in researching the studies. Listen to him and then decide.
He didn't come here to convince me of anything. You did.
If you're telling me that you aren't convinced of the claims and take it just on his say-so, okay. Why not just say that at first? We could have saved some time.6 -
CarlaEnsink wrote: »I hope he does get paid a lot! He has an important message. The important part to me is that the site is ad free and there's no push from a big corporation.
You hope he does? A few posts ago you insisted that he made no profit from his research or his books and that was a reason to trust him.10 -
I'm happy that you may choose to look into this. I've given you the video that references the studies. I've told you about the book which is available through your library for free and comes with all of the references. No, I am not going to watch an hour and a half video and write down the info on your behalf. No offense, I care about people in general to point them in the right direction, but you have to have enough of your own oomph to look up the parts you are interested in. Free book. References at the back. Best wishes. I hope it is enlightening and that you get one or more take-aways. For me, it was full of them 11
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