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Going to bed hungry
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Should you go to bed hungry..?
Should you eat before bed..?
Should you have carbs..?
Should you have protein..?
Should you have fat..?
Should you have veggies...?
The answer is, it depends...2 -
I guess it doesn't hurt to try, but personally I sleep worse and wake up with less energy. I don't think prolonged hunger is a necessary part of a diet; though increasing our tolerance to hunger so that our behavior is not impulsive when hungry is not a bad idea.1
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs turn to sugar. Your body is significantly slowing down so you can sleep. Eating carbs right before bed will slow the fat burning process even more while your sleeping, and you may not sleep as well either.
Nonsense...
So if I eat carbs before bed and still maintain a caloric deficit I will not burn fat?
She said it would slow the fat burning process while you sleep. Doesn't mean you won't burn any fat at night, just that it would be slowed, and she also didn't say you wouldn't burn the equivalent amount of fat during the day. Just that fat burning would be slowed, which is true anytime you eat, and even more when you have carbs.
Nope. I lost weight, at the rate predicted, eating a big ole' bowl of popcorn (came in around 350 calories worth) right before bed).
Did this all last year.
Got down to my lowest weight doing it too.
Since I was losing weight as anticipated, eating carbs before bed did not slow fat loss.
But it slowed it at night. And you burned more during the day because you were eating less than you would have during the day.
How do you know that weight loss slows at night?
First, we're talking about fat loss.
Second because after you eat fat loss is slowed, your blood sugar rises and it doesn't use fat as energy.
I think you should reread what I have said before you try and defend something I am not arguing. I said fat loss will be slowed at night if you're eating at night and that more fat would be used during the day because less calories would be consumed during the day since you're saving some for the night.
And it's all irrelevant if you maintain a calorie deficit...
Right, but you guys like to attack people when they say something that is true but you take the wrong way.
You guys love to use the word attack...
Because it is a word that describes your actions.
Please...
So going back to the beginning, what is it that she said was nonsense?
"Carbs turn to sugar." True
"Your body is significantly slowing down so you can sleep." True
"Eating carbs right before bed will slow the fat burning process even more while your sleeping," True
"and you may not sleep as well either" True
What is nonsense is that any of this matters, except for the possibility that you won't sleep well. If eating right before bed interferes with sleep, that's a reason not to do it.
The hilarious thing is that she's now recommending eating 4 oz of meat and some vegetables immediately before bed. I eat late anyway (dinner), but doing that would be ridiculous and bad for me -- I wouldn't be able to sleep and, of course, it's extra calories. Maybe she's suggesting that everyone do what I do and eat dinner late (and that no one should have any carbs besides veg at dinner, which is silly), but then it's not normal to imply it's some special pre bed meal. It's just dinner.3 -
I cannot sleep if I'm hungry. I was perfectly happy saving calories at the end of the night to eat 1 tablespoon of peanut butter and 2 saltines. I would eat it right before bed every night. Later it turned into pb and apple. Since I was eating deficit, I lost my weight and never lost sleep over it;) Healthy fats/protein = satisfied belly.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs turn to sugar. Your body is significantly slowing down so you can sleep. Eating carbs right before bed will slow the fat burning process even more while your sleeping, and you may not sleep as well either.
Nonsense...
So if I eat carbs before bed and still maintain a caloric deficit I will not burn fat?
She said it would slow the fat burning process while you sleep. Doesn't mean you won't burn any fat at night, just that it would be slowed, and she also didn't say you wouldn't burn the equivalent amount of fat during the day. Just that fat burning would be slowed, which is true anytime you eat, and even more when you have carbs.
Nope. I lost weight, at the rate predicted, eating a big ole' bowl of popcorn (came in around 350 calories worth) right before bed).
Did this all last year.
Got down to my lowest weight doing it too.
Since I was losing weight as anticipated, eating carbs before bed did not slow fat loss.
But it slowed it at night. And you burned more during the day because you were eating less than you would have during the day.
How do you know that weight loss slows at night?
First, we're talking about fat loss.
Second because after you eat fat loss is slowed, your blood sugar rises and it doesn't use fat as energy.
I think you should reread what I have said before you try and defend something I am not arguing. I said fat loss will be slowed at night if you're eating at night and that more fat would be used during the day because less calories would be consumed during the day since you're saving some for the night.
And it's all irrelevant if you maintain a calorie deficit...
Right, but you guys like to attack people when they say something that is true but you take the wrong way.
You guys love to use the word attack...
Because it is a word that describes your actions.
Please...
So going back to the beginning, what is it that she said was nonsense?
"Carbs turn to sugar." True
"Your body is significantly slowing down so you can sleep." True
"Eating carbs right before bed will slow the fat burning process even more while your sleeping," True
"and you may not sleep as well either" True
What is nonsense is that any of this matters, except for the possibility that you won't sleep well. If eating right before bed interferes with sleep, that's a reason not to do it.
The hilarious thing is that she's now recommending eating 4 oz of meat and some vegetables immediately before bed. I eat late anyway (dinner), but doing that would be ridiculous and bad for me -- I wouldn't be able to sleep and, of course, it's extra calories. Maybe she's suggesting that everyone do what I do and eat dinner late (and that no one should have any carbs besides veg at dinner, which is silly), but then it's not normal to imply it's some special pre bed meal. It's just dinner.
Unless I missed something, that's a different poster (babybear vs rwheelin).
But, yeah - the only thing that matters is if it interferes with sleep or gives you some digestive issue(s). Otherwise, it's irrelevant.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs turn to sugar. Your body is significantly slowing down so you can sleep. Eating carbs right before bed will slow the fat burning process even more while your sleeping, and you may not sleep as well either.
Nonsense...
So if I eat carbs before bed and still maintain a caloric deficit I will not burn fat?
She said it would slow the fat burning process while you sleep. Doesn't mean you won't burn any fat at night, just that it would be slowed, and she also didn't say you wouldn't burn the equivalent amount of fat during the day. Just that fat burning would be slowed, which is true anytime you eat, and even more when you have carbs.
Nope. I lost weight, at the rate predicted, eating a big ole' bowl of popcorn (came in around 350 calories worth) right before bed).
Did this all last year.
Got down to my lowest weight doing it too.
Since I was losing weight as anticipated, eating carbs before bed did not slow fat loss.
But it slowed it at night. And you burned more during the day because you were eating less than you would have during the day.
How do you know that weight loss slows at night?
First, we're talking about fat loss.
Second because after you eat fat loss is slowed, your blood sugar rises and it doesn't use fat as energy.
I think you should reread what I have said before you try and defend something I am not arguing. I said fat loss will be slowed at night if you're eating at night and that more fat would be used during the day because less calories would be consumed during the day since you're saving some for the night.
And it's all irrelevant if you maintain a calorie deficit...
Right, but you guys like to attack people when they say something that is true but you take the wrong way.
You guys love to use the word attack...
Because it is a word that describes your actions.
Please...
So going back to the beginning, what is it that she said was nonsense?
"Carbs turn to sugar." True
"Your body is significantly slowing down so you can sleep." True
"Eating carbs right before bed will slow the fat burning process even more while your sleeping," True
"and you may not sleep as well either" True
What is nonsense is that any of this matters, except for the possibility that you won't sleep well. If eating right before bed interferes with sleep, that's a reason not to do it.
The hilarious thing is that she's now recommending eating 4 oz of meat and some vegetables immediately before bed. I eat late anyway (dinner), but doing that would be ridiculous and bad for me -- I wouldn't be able to sleep and, of course, it's extra calories. Maybe she's suggesting that everyone do what I do and eat dinner late (and that no one should have any carbs besides veg at dinner, which is silly), but then it's not normal to imply it's some special pre bed meal. It's just dinner.
Unless I missed something, that's a different poster (babybear vs rwheelin).
But, yeah - the only thing that matters is if it interferes with sleep or gives you some digestive issue(s). Otherwise, it's irrelevant.
Ooops, you are right. Although both seem to be saying you should eat right before bed but not carbs.0 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »positivepowers wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs cause a spike in blood sugar then a swift descent, leading to more intense hunger pangs. Protein is digested more slowly and does not cause the rapid spike.
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/9/2375.long
Granted the focus of the study was on diabetics, but the information does correlate to those with normal sugar regulating metabolisms.
protein causes a similar insulin spike...
No it doesnt
actually it does..
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs turn to sugar. Your body is significantly slowing down so you can sleep. Eating carbs right before bed will slow the fat burning process even more while your sleeping, and you may not sleep as well either.
Nonsense...
So if I eat carbs before bed and still maintain a caloric deficit I will not burn fat?
She said it would slow the fat burning process while you sleep. Doesn't mean you won't burn any fat at night, just that it would be slowed, and she also didn't say you wouldn't burn the equivalent amount of fat during the day. Just that fat burning would be slowed, which is true anytime you eat, and even more when you have carbs.
Nope. I lost weight, at the rate predicted, eating a big ole' bowl of popcorn (came in around 350 calories worth) right before bed).
Did this all last year.
Got down to my lowest weight doing it too.
Since I was losing weight as anticipated, eating carbs before bed did not slow fat loss.
But it slowed it at night. And you burned more during the day because you were eating less than you would have during the day.
How do you know that weight loss slows at night?
First, we're talking about fat loss.
Second because after you eat fat loss is slowed, your blood sugar rises and it doesn't use fat as energy.
I think you should reread what I have said before you try and defend something I am not arguing. I said fat loss will be slowed at night if you're eating at night and that more fat would be used during the day because less calories would be consumed during the day since you're saving some for the night.
And it's all irrelevant if you maintain a calorie deficit...
Right, but you guys like to attack people when they say something that is true but you take the wrong way.
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »positivepowers wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs cause a spike in blood sugar then a swift descent, leading to more intense hunger pangs. Protein is digested more slowly and does not cause the rapid spike.
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/9/2375.long
Granted the focus of the study was on diabetics, but the information does correlate to those with normal sugar regulating metabolisms.
protein causes a similar insulin spike...
No it doesnt
actually it does..
This is very basic nutrition. Not something that's up for debate haha5 -
rwheelin2017 wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs turn to sugar. Your body is significantly slowing down so you can sleep. Eating carbs right before bed will slow the fat burning process even more while your sleeping, and you may not sleep as well either.
As someone with an ileostomy i can assure you with 100% accuracy that the digestive system doesn't slow down at night.3 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »positivepowers wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs cause a spike in blood sugar then a swift descent, leading to more intense hunger pangs. Protein is digested more slowly and does not cause the rapid spike.
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/9/2375.long
Granted the focus of the study was on diabetics, but the information does correlate to those with normal sugar regulating metabolisms.
protein causes a similar insulin spike...
No it doesnt
actually it does..
This is very basic nutrition. Not something that's up for debate haha
You're correct, it's not up for debate haha. Except that you're misinformed (as usual) and trying to debate the wrong side of it. Protein causes an insulin spike similar to that of carbohydrate. Here's the science, plenty of peer-reviewed studies referenced and linked: http://weightology.net/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/5 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs turn to sugar. Your body is significantly slowing down so you can sleep. Eating carbs right before bed will slow the fat burning process even more while your sleeping, and you may not sleep as well either.
Nonsense...
So if I eat carbs before bed and still maintain a caloric deficit I will not burn fat?
She said it would slow the fat burning process while you sleep. Doesn't mean you won't burn any fat at night, just that it would be slowed, and she also didn't say you wouldn't burn the equivalent amount of fat during the day. Just that fat burning would be slowed, which is true anytime you eat, and even more when you have carbs.
Nope. I lost weight, at the rate predicted, eating a big ole' bowl of popcorn (came in around 350 calories worth) right before bed).
Did this all last year.
Got down to my lowest weight doing it too.
Since I was losing weight as anticipated, eating carbs before bed did not slow fat loss.
But it slowed it at night. And you burned more during the day because you were eating less than you would have during the day.
How do you know that weight loss slows at night?
First, we're talking about fat loss.
Second because after you eat fat loss is slowed, your blood sugar rises and it doesn't use fat as energy.
I think you should reread what I have said before you try and defend something I am not arguing. I said fat loss will be slowed at night if you're eating at night and that more fat would be used during the day because less calories would be consumed during the day since you're saving some for the night.
This literally makes no sense.
The body isn't automatically using stored body fat any time you haven't eaten. Further, when the body uses fat for energy it's not automatically from body fat but largely dietary fat.
Once again, majoring in the minors. Meal timing makes very little difference to fat/weight loss. Size of deficit, protein intake and whether one strength trains or not are the things that impact ratios of fat vs muscle loss.
I really wish the term fat burning was struck from the English language because it's rarely used in the right context.4 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »positivepowers wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs cause a spike in blood sugar then a swift descent, leading to more intense hunger pangs. Protein is digested more slowly and does not cause the rapid spike.
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/9/2375.long
Granted the focus of the study was on diabetics, but the information does correlate to those with normal sugar regulating metabolisms.
protein causes a similar insulin spike...
No it doesnt
actually it does..
This is very basic nutrition. Not something that's up for debate haha
Where did you get your information? Because you are wrong.4 -
I compromise.
I know I'm going to be slightly hungry before I go to bed, because that's how I am. So...I always save 80 kCal for hot chocolate or apple cider, and have it an hour before bed. If I have extra calories (and I do, sometimes), I use milk instead of water for the base.
If I go to bed on time, I won't be hungry. If not...well, the snack doesn't fend off my version of the late-night hungries for more than an hour or two. But I don't mind going to bed a *little* hungry, as long as I'm not feeling starved...1 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »positivepowers wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs cause a spike in blood sugar then a swift descent, leading to more intense hunger pangs. Protein is digested more slowly and does not cause the rapid spike.
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/9/2375.long
Granted the focus of the study was on diabetics, but the information does correlate to those with normal sugar regulating metabolisms.
protein causes a similar insulin spike...
No it doesnt
actually it does..
This is very basic nutrition. Not something that's up for debate haha
You're correct, it's not up for debate haha. Except that you're misinformed (as usual) and trying to debate the wrong side of it. Protein causes an insulin spike similar to that of carbohydrate. Here's the science, plenty of peer-reviewed studies referenced and linked: http://weightology.net/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
Did you even look at the studies that were listed in the article you posted?
They repeat, they're off topic from what the article is trying to make it seem as the study is saying and you can't even see the full study, just the abstract.
ETA:
the study says this:
"Total carbohydrate (r = 0.39, P < 0.05, n = 36) and sugar (r = 0.36, P < 0.05, n = 36) contents were positively related to the mean insulin scores, whereas fat (r = -0.27, NS, n = 36) and protein (r = -0.24, NS, n = 38) contents were negatively related."
then the article says this:
"In fact, one study found beef to stimulate just as much insulin secretion as brown rice. The blood sugar response of 38 different foods could only explain 23% of the variability in insulin secretion in this study. Thus, there's a lot more that's behind insulin secretion than just carbohydrate."2 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs turn to sugar. Your body is significantly slowing down so you can sleep. Eating carbs right before bed will slow the fat burning process even more while your sleeping, and you may not sleep as well either.
Nonsense...
So if I eat carbs before bed and still maintain a caloric deficit I will not burn fat?
She said it would slow the fat burning process while you sleep. Doesn't mean you won't burn any fat at night, just that it would be slowed, and she also didn't say you wouldn't burn the equivalent amount of fat during the day. Just that fat burning would be slowed, which is true anytime you eat, and even more when you have carbs.
Nope. I lost weight, at the rate predicted, eating a big ole' bowl of popcorn (came in around 350 calories worth) right before bed).
Did this all last year.
Got down to my lowest weight doing it too.
Since I was losing weight as anticipated, eating carbs before bed did not slow fat loss.
But it slowed it at night. And you burned more during the day because you were eating less than you would have during the day.
How do you know? If I was losing as the math worked out by the deficit I created, did you run tests on me to tell?
You are basing your assumptions on nothing but thin air.
The fact is that I burned the amount of calories predicated by my deficit. Just like anyone would, no matter what their nutrient timing is.2 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »positivepowers wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs cause a spike in blood sugar then a swift descent, leading to more intense hunger pangs. Protein is digested more slowly and does not cause the rapid spike.
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/9/2375.long
Granted the focus of the study was on diabetics, but the information does correlate to those with normal sugar regulating metabolisms.
protein causes a similar insulin spike...
No it doesnt
actually it does..
This is very basic nutrition. Not something that's up for debate haha
You're correct, it's not up for debate haha. Except that you're misinformed (as usual) and trying to debate the wrong side of it. Protein causes an insulin spike similar to that of carbohydrate. Here's the science, plenty of peer-reviewed studies referenced and linked: http://weightology.net/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
Did you even look at the studies that were listed in the article you posted?
They repeat, they're off topic from what the article is trying to make it seem as the study is saying and you can't even see the full study, just the abstract.
ETA:
the study says this:
"Total carbohydrate (r = 0.39, P < 0.05, n = 36) and sugar (r = 0.36, P < 0.05, n = 36) contents were positively related to the mean insulin scores, whereas fat (r = -0.27, NS, n = 36) and protein (r = -0.24, NS, n = 38) contents were negatively related."
then the article says this:
"In fact, one study found beef to stimulate just as much insulin secretion as brown rice. The blood sugar response of 38 different foods could only explain 23% of the variability in insulin secretion in this study. Thus, there's a lot more that's behind insulin secretion than just carbohydrate."
I guess you missed this part...
Comparison of insulin response between low protein, high carb meal and high protein, low carb meal
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singingflutelady wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs turn to sugar. Your body is significantly slowing down so you can sleep. Eating carbs right before bed will slow the fat burning process even more while your sleeping, and you may not sleep as well either.
As someone with an ileostomy i can assure you with 100% accuracy that the digestive system doesn't slow down at night.
Hmm, that's odd. The top rated pediatric motility doctor on the west coast (US) who installed the ileostomy for a relative of mine told us that the digestive system does slow down at night. It doesn't stop, obviously. But that it does slow.0 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »positivepowers wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs cause a spike in blood sugar then a swift descent, leading to more intense hunger pangs. Protein is digested more slowly and does not cause the rapid spike.
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/9/2375.long
Granted the focus of the study was on diabetics, but the information does correlate to those with normal sugar regulating metabolisms.
protein causes a similar insulin spike...
No it doesnt
actually it does..
This is very basic nutrition. Not something that's up for debate haha
You're correct, it's not up for debate haha. Except that you're misinformed (as usual) and trying to debate the wrong side of it. Protein causes an insulin spike similar to that of carbohydrate. Here's the science, plenty of peer-reviewed studies referenced and linked: http://weightology.net/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
One post said protein didn't cause a blood sugar spike and the next said protein caused a "similar insulin spike". Insulin and blood sugar (glucose) levels aren't the same thing. So is the argument over insulin spikes or blood sugar spikes. Or are there different things being argued here?1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs turn to sugar. Your body is significantly slowing down so you can sleep. Eating carbs right before bed will slow the fat burning process even more while your sleeping, and you may not sleep as well either.
As someone with an ileostomy i can assure you with 100% accuracy that the digestive system doesn't slow down at night.
Hmm, that's odd. The top rated pediatric motility doctor on the west coast (US) who installed the ileostomy for a relative of mine told us that the digestive system does slow down at night. It doesn't stop, obviously. But that it does slow.
It could be dependent on how much you eat, meal timing (since the transit time is a lot faster) and how much intestine there is left but tmi but mine is most active between 2 am and noon and immediately after I eat. It's least active during the afternoon.0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs turn to sugar. Your body is significantly slowing down so you can sleep. Eating carbs right before bed will slow the fat burning process even more while your sleeping, and you may not sleep as well either.
As someone with an ileostomy i can assure you with 100% accuracy that the digestive system doesn't slow down at night.
Hmm, that's odd. The top rated pediatric motility doctor on the west coast (US) who installed the ileostomy for a relative of mine told us that the digestive system does slow down at night. It doesn't stop, obviously. But that it does slow.
It could be dependent on how much you eat, meal timing (since the transit time is a lot faster) and how much intestine there is left but tmi but mine is most active between 2 am and noon and immediately after I eat. It's least active during the afternoon.
Interesting. It's been a while since she told us that so not sure of the context. At the time he had not had any intestine removed, but his diet (content and timing) have always been strictly controlled.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs turn to sugar. Your body is significantly slowing down so you can sleep. Eating carbs right before bed will slow the fat burning process even more while your sleeping, and you may not sleep as well either.
As someone with an ileostomy i can assure you with 100% accuracy that the digestive system doesn't slow down at night.
Hmm, that's odd. The top rated pediatric motility doctor on the west coast (US) who installed the ileostomy for a relative of mine told us that the digestive system does slow down at night. It doesn't stop, obviously. But that it does slow.
It could be dependent on how much you eat, meal timing (since the transit time is a lot faster) and how much intestine there is left but tmi but mine is most active between 2 am and noon and immediately after I eat. It's least active during the afternoon.
Interesting. It's been a while since she told us that so not sure of the context. At the time he had not had any intestine removed, but his diet (content and timing) have always been strictly controlled.
TMI alert
The less intestine= more liquid the output which I think travels faster than the usual output. I have learned so much about how to manipulate it with certain foods (carby stuff like bread, pasta, chips, rice thicken itusually but other carby stuff like vegetables, fruit juice and candy more liquidy) though sometimed it doesn't work lol2 -
Either too hungry or too full will make it hard to sleep.0
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singingflutelady wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs turn to sugar. Your body is significantly slowing down so you can sleep. Eating carbs right before bed will slow the fat burning process even more while your sleeping, and you may not sleep as well either.
As someone with an ileostomy i can assure you with 100% accuracy that the digestive system doesn't slow down at night.
Hmm, that's odd. The top rated pediatric motility doctor on the west coast (US) who installed the ileostomy for a relative of mine told us that the digestive system does slow down at night. It doesn't stop, obviously. But that it does slow.
It could be dependent on how much you eat, meal timing (since the transit time is a lot faster) and how much intestine there is left but tmi but mine is most active between 2 am and noon and immediately after I eat. It's least active during the afternoon.
Interesting. It's been a while since she told us that so not sure of the context. At the time he had not had any intestine removed, but his diet (content and timing) have always been strictly controlled.
TMI alert
The less intestine= more liquid the output which I think travels faster than the usual output. I have learned so much about how to manipulate it with certain foods (carby stuff like bread, pasta, chips, rice thicken itusually but other carby stuff like vegetables, fruit juice and candy more liquidy) though sometimed it doesn't work lol
But what does more liquid output mean in terms of slower digestion at night? Though with an ileostomy the rules would be different than a normal healthy person anyway since much of the waste never moves past the ileum.0 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »positivepowers wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs cause a spike in blood sugar then a swift descent, leading to more intense hunger pangs. Protein is digested more slowly and does not cause the rapid spike.
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/9/2375.long
Granted the focus of the study was on diabetics, but the information does correlate to those with normal sugar regulating metabolisms.
protein causes a similar insulin spike...
No it doesnt
actually it does..
This is very basic nutrition. Not something that's up for debate haha
You're correct, it's not up for debate haha. Except that you're misinformed (as usual) and trying to debate the wrong side of it. Protein causes an insulin spike similar to that of carbohydrate. Here's the science, plenty of peer-reviewed studies referenced and linked: http://weightology.net/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
Did you even look at the studies that were listed in the article you posted?
They repeat, they're off topic from what the article is trying to make it seem as the study is saying and you can't even see the full study, just the abstract.
ETA:
the study says this:
"Total carbohydrate (r = 0.39, P < 0.05, n = 36) and sugar (r = 0.36, P < 0.05, n = 36) contents were positively related to the mean insulin scores, whereas fat (r = -0.27, NS, n = 36) and protein (r = -0.24, NS, n = 38) contents were negatively related."
then the article says this:
"In fact, one study found beef to stimulate just as much insulin secretion as brown rice. The blood sugar response of 38 different foods could only explain 23% of the variability in insulin secretion in this study. Thus, there's a lot more that's behind insulin secretion than just carbohydrate."
I guess you missed this part...
Comparison of insulin response between low protein, high carb meal and high protein, low carb meal
Thank you. He simply cherry-picked a couple sentences completely out of context in an attempt to "prove" his errant thinking.0 -
Such a great discussion, thanks!0
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »positivepowers wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs cause a spike in blood sugar then a swift descent, leading to more intense hunger pangs. Protein is digested more slowly and does not cause the rapid spike.
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/9/2375.long
Granted the focus of the study was on diabetics, but the information does correlate to those with normal sugar regulating metabolisms.
protein causes a similar insulin spike...
No it doesnt
actually it does..
This is very basic nutrition. Not something that's up for debate haha
You're correct, it's not up for debate haha. Except that you're misinformed (as usual) and trying to debate the wrong side of it. Protein causes an insulin spike similar to that of carbohydrate. Here's the science, plenty of peer-reviewed studies referenced and linked: http://weightology.net/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
Did you even look at the studies that were listed in the article you posted?
They repeat, they're off topic from what the article is trying to make it seem as the study is saying and you can't even see the full study, just the abstract.
ETA:
the study says this:
"Total carbohydrate (r = 0.39, P < 0.05, n = 36) and sugar (r = 0.36, P < 0.05, n = 36) contents were positively related to the mean insulin scores, whereas fat (r = -0.27, NS, n = 36) and protein (r = -0.24, NS, n = 38) contents were negatively related."
then the article says this:
"In fact, one study found beef to stimulate just as much insulin secretion as brown rice. The blood sugar response of 38 different foods could only explain 23% of the variability in insulin secretion in this study. Thus, there's a lot more that's behind insulin secretion than just carbohydrate."
I guess you missed this part...
Comparison of insulin response between low protein, high carb meal and high protein, low carb meal
Thank you. He simply cherry-picked a couple sentences completely out of context in an attempt to "prove" his errant thinking.
Not surprising2 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »positivepowers wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs cause a spike in blood sugar then a swift descent, leading to more intense hunger pangs. Protein is digested more slowly and does not cause the rapid spike.
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/9/2375.long
Granted the focus of the study was on diabetics, but the information does correlate to those with normal sugar regulating metabolisms.
protein causes a similar insulin spike...
No it doesnt
actually it does..
This is very basic nutrition. Not something that's up for debate haha
You're correct, it's not up for debate haha. Except that you're misinformed (as usual) and trying to debate the wrong side of it. Protein causes an insulin spike similar to that of carbohydrate. Here's the science, plenty of peer-reviewed studies referenced and linked: http://weightology.net/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
Did you even look at the studies that were listed in the article you posted?
They repeat, they're off topic from what the article is trying to make it seem as the study is saying and you can't even see the full study, just the abstract.
ETA:
the study says this:
"Total carbohydrate (r = 0.39, P < 0.05, n = 36) and sugar (r = 0.36, P < 0.05, n = 36) contents were positively related to the mean insulin scores, whereas fat (r = -0.27, NS, n = 36) and protein (r = -0.24, NS, n = 38) contents were negatively related."
then the article says this:
"In fact, one study found beef to stimulate just as much insulin secretion as brown rice. The blood sugar response of 38 different foods could only explain 23% of the variability in insulin secretion in this study. Thus, there's a lot more that's behind insulin secretion than just carbohydrate."
I guess you missed this part...
Comparison of insulin response between low protein, high carb meal and high protein, low carb meal
Thank you. He simply cherry-picked a couple sentences completely out of context in an attempt to "prove" his errant thinking.
Here's the whole abstract since you were unable to check for yourself. Out of context? Nope.
"The aim of this study was to systematically compare postprandial insulin responses to isoenergetic 1000-kJ (240-kcal) portions of several common foods. Correlations with nutrient content were determined. Thirty-eight foods separated into six food categories (fruit, bakery products, snacks, carbohydrate-rich foods, protein-rich foods, and breakfast cereals) were fed to groups of 11-13 healthy subjects. Finger-prick blood samples were obtained every 15 min over 120 min. An insulin score was calculated from the area under the insulin response curve for each food with use of white bread as the reference food (score = 100%). Significant differences in insulin score were found both within and among the food categories and also among foods containing a similar amount of carbohydrate. Overall, glucose and insulin scores were highly correlated (r = 0.70, P < 0.001, n = 38). However, protein-rich foods and bakery products (rich in fat and refined carbohydrate) elicited insulin responses that were disproportionately higher than their glycemic responses. Total carbohydrate (r = 0.39, P < 0.05, n = 36) and sugar (r = 0.36, P < 0.05, n = 36) contents were positively related to the mean insulin scores, whereas fat (r = -0.27, NS, n = 36) and protein (r = -0.24, NS, n = 38) contents were negatively related. Consideration of insulin scores may be relevant to the dietary management and pathogenesis of non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus and hyperlipidemia and may help increase the accuracy of estimating preprandial insulin requirements."
You guys always talk about, if you claim it to be true, you gotta back it up. Looks like you guys can't do that.4 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »positivepowers wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs cause a spike in blood sugar then a swift descent, leading to more intense hunger pangs. Protein is digested more slowly and does not cause the rapid spike.
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/9/2375.long
Granted the focus of the study was on diabetics, but the information does correlate to those with normal sugar regulating metabolisms.
protein causes a similar insulin spike...
No it doesnt
actually it does..
This is very basic nutrition. Not something that's up for debate haha
You're correct, it's not up for debate haha. Except that you're misinformed (as usual) and trying to debate the wrong side of it. Protein causes an insulin spike similar to that of carbohydrate. Here's the science, plenty of peer-reviewed studies referenced and linked: http://weightology.net/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
Did you even look at the studies that were listed in the article you posted?
They repeat, they're off topic from what the article is trying to make it seem as the study is saying and you can't even see the full study, just the abstract.
ETA:
the study says this:
"Total carbohydrate (r = 0.39, P < 0.05, n = 36) and sugar (r = 0.36, P < 0.05, n = 36) contents were positively related to the mean insulin scores, whereas fat (r = -0.27, NS, n = 36) and protein (r = -0.24, NS, n = 38) contents were negatively related."
then the article says this:
"In fact, one study found beef to stimulate just as much insulin secretion as brown rice. The blood sugar response of 38 different foods could only explain 23% of the variability in insulin secretion in this study. Thus, there's a lot more that's behind insulin secretion than just carbohydrate."
I guess you missed this part...
Comparison of insulin response between low protein, high carb meal and high protein, low carb meal
Thank you. He simply cherry-picked a couple sentences completely out of context in an attempt to "prove" his errant thinking.
Here's the whole abstract since you were unable to check for yourself. Out of context? Nope.
"The aim of this study was to systematically compare postprandial insulin responses to isoenergetic 1000-kJ (240-kcal) portions of several common foods. Correlations with nutrient content were determined. Thirty-eight foods separated into six food categories (fruit, bakery products, snacks, carbohydrate-rich foods, protein-rich foods, and breakfast cereals) were fed to groups of 11-13 healthy subjects. Finger-prick blood samples were obtained every 15 min over 120 min. An insulin score was calculated from the area under the insulin response curve for each food with use of white bread as the reference food (score = 100%). Significant differences in insulin score were found both within and among the food categories and also among foods containing a similar amount of carbohydrate. Overall, glucose and insulin scores were highly correlated (r = 0.70, P < 0.001, n = 38). However, protein-rich foods and bakery products (rich in fat and refined carbohydrate) elicited insulin responses that were disproportionately higher than their glycemic responses. Total carbohydrate (r = 0.39, P < 0.05, n = 36) and sugar (r = 0.36, P < 0.05, n = 36) contents were positively related to the mean insulin scores, whereas fat (r = -0.27, NS, n = 36) and protein (r = -0.24, NS, n = 38) contents were negatively related. Consideration of insulin scores may be relevant to the dietary management and pathogenesis of non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus and hyperlipidemia and may help increase the accuracy of estimating preprandial insulin requirements."
You guys always talk about, if you claim it to be true, you gotta back it up. Looks like you guys can't do that.
What point do you believe you have made? I'm just trying to follow this discussion, and I think you are talking at cross purposes (at best).
And back to the initial assertion that you are trying to defend: apart from the possible effect on sleep (which will be individual and has zero to do with choosing protein over carbs), what is the difference for weight loss between eating 2000 calories, with 1000 calories of carbs, all eaten before 5 pm, and a diet that instead includes 2000 calories, and 1000 calories of carbs, in which 200 of the carb calories are consumed at 10 pm?1 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »positivepowers wrote: »rwheelin2017 wrote: »The trick is to eat before bed! But just eat the right foods before bed; slow-digesting protein, like cottage cheese or a piece of skinless chicken, coupled with low-carb fruit or vegetables
Exactly!! I've been involved in fitness for many years. There is absolutely no reason you should ever go hungry. Before bed there is nothing wrong with eating as long as it's a protein. I usually opt for a snack of chicken. Not a meal, mind you, but a snack.
Waking up in the middle of the night with hunger pains will sabotage any weight loss you had/have planned. Some people will even sleep eat and that's not good because their go to food will be that chocolate cake left over from the kid's birthday party ( not like I've ever done this or anything
What if I eat carbs instead of protein????
Carbs cause a spike in blood sugar then a swift descent, leading to more intense hunger pangs. Protein is digested more slowly and does not cause the rapid spike.
http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/content/53/9/2375.long
Granted the focus of the study was on diabetics, but the information does correlate to those with normal sugar regulating metabolisms.
protein causes a similar insulin spike...
No it doesnt
actually it does..
This is very basic nutrition. Not something that's up for debate haha
You're correct, it's not up for debate haha. Except that you're misinformed (as usual) and trying to debate the wrong side of it. Protein causes an insulin spike similar to that of carbohydrate. Here's the science, plenty of peer-reviewed studies referenced and linked: http://weightology.net/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
Did you even look at the studies that were listed in the article you posted?
They repeat, they're off topic from what the article is trying to make it seem as the study is saying and you can't even see the full study, just the abstract.
ETA:
the study says this:
"Total carbohydrate (r = 0.39, P < 0.05, n = 36) and sugar (r = 0.36, P < 0.05, n = 36) contents were positively related to the mean insulin scores, whereas fat (r = -0.27, NS, n = 36) and protein (r = -0.24, NS, n = 38) contents were negatively related."
then the article says this:
"In fact, one study found beef to stimulate just as much insulin secretion as brown rice. The blood sugar response of 38 different foods could only explain 23% of the variability in insulin secretion in this study. Thus, there's a lot more that's behind insulin secretion than just carbohydrate."
I guess you missed this part...
Comparison of insulin response between low protein, high carb meal and high protein, low carb meal
Thank you. He simply cherry-picked a couple sentences completely out of context in an attempt to "prove" his errant thinking.
Here's the whole abstract since you were unable to check for yourself. Out of context? Nope.
"The aim of this study was to systematically compare postprandial insulin responses to isoenergetic 1000-kJ (240-kcal) portions of several common foods. Correlations with nutrient content were determined. Thirty-eight foods separated into six food categories (fruit, bakery products, snacks, carbohydrate-rich foods, protein-rich foods, and breakfast cereals) were fed to groups of 11-13 healthy subjects. Finger-prick blood samples were obtained every 15 min over 120 min. An insulin score was calculated from the area under the insulin response curve for each food with use of white bread as the reference food (score = 100%). Significant differences in insulin score were found both within and among the food categories and also among foods containing a similar amount of carbohydrate. Overall, glucose and insulin scores were highly correlated (r = 0.70, P < 0.001, n = 38). However, protein-rich foods and bakery products (rich in fat and refined carbohydrate) elicited insulin responses that were disproportionately higher than their glycemic responses. Total carbohydrate (r = 0.39, P < 0.05, n = 36) and sugar (r = 0.36, P < 0.05, n = 36) contents were positively related to the mean insulin scores, whereas fat (r = -0.27, NS, n = 36) and protein (r = -0.24, NS, n = 38) contents were negatively related. Consideration of insulin scores may be relevant to the dietary management and pathogenesis of non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus and hyperlipidemia and may help increase the accuracy of estimating preprandial insulin requirements."
You guys always talk about, if you claim it to be true, you gotta back it up. Looks like you guys can't do that.
Please explain this then...2
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