Green Smoothie Cleanse - Store bought smoothie recommendation
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Again, you make it seem like a long term diet instead of a 3 day temporary regimen to push those with lack of will power.
Are you seriously telling me that you've never fallen into an unhealthy eating pattern? Are you telling me you always had will power to stick to healthy foods and not once failed back into a bad eating pattern?
There's positive studies (google them) without any negative side effects from juicing for 3 days straight. I'm obtaining my nutrients from other sources (vitamins). The only thing being a slight impact is lack of protein.
You don't have to stick to all healthy foods in order to be healthy and lose weight. Learning to eat in a moderate way that you enjoy and that gets you enough nutrition at the right calorie level means you won't fall off the wagon and won't have to keep restarting.10 -
Again, you make it seem like a long term diet instead of a 3 day temporary regimen to push those with lack of will power.
Are you seriously telling me that you've never fallen into an unhealthy eating pattern? Are you telling me you always had will power to stick to healthy foods and not once failed back into a bad eating pattern?
There's positive studies (google them) without any negative side effects from juicing for 3 days straight. I'm obtaining my nutrients from other sources (vitamins). The only thing being a slight impact is lack of protein.
There have been times when I have looked at my overall diet and seen things I could improve. And then, I just, you know, improved them. I didn't do it through eliminating solid food. In fact, I think that's a really poor way to approach it because it doesn't prepare you to choose foods that make you feel better once you are off the "cleanse."
If you stop thinking of your diet as having to be 100% healthy foods or otherwise you're in a "bad eating pattern," it might be easier for you to stop thinking about eating well as something that requires strict will power to maintain. It's just . . . eating. Meet your nutritional needs, avoid the foods that make you feel terrible, and eat foods that you enjoy. That's all.
Which studies are you referring to? Since you've already read them, sharing them will be faster than people here trying to Google them and guess which ones you are referring to.
Which studies convinced you?4 -
ttcbelieve wrote: »ttcbelieve wrote: »SassyCassie90 wrote: »So I have done a 10 day green smoothie cleanse (ok I've only made it to day 7!), but I loved the results. I made the smoothies myself though. I do the cleanse whenever I want to Jumpstart my weight loss journey. I am getting myself prepared to do it again, and i say that because i really have to prepare myself mentally to only drink smoothies. Although the cleanse i use lets me eat hard boiled eggs, small handful of nuts, and crunchy veggies so i don't feel like i am starving. Others may not agree but FOR ME it really helps. I feel like I lose the cravings for junk food and the need to snack whenever I'm not hungry. It works for me, and I see no reason why you shouldn't at least try it. If you have it in your mind that it will work, then there's a higher chance that it will. Good luck!
Thanks and I agree, that's the reason I want to give it a try. I considered trying to do the smoothies myself at home, but knowing myself...i'll use it as an excuse not to do it at all. I'll see how the home purchase smoothies work. I'm keeping my fingers crossed but putting my mind to it for sure. I need all the luck I can get :-)
I'm beyond trying to talk you out of doing this, but believing that weight loss is a matter of "luck" is what's causing you to fail over and over. Until you believe that you have control over your own eating habits you will always be derailed by the "bad luck" in your life.
I agree, remember I'm doing this to jump start. I do not think cleansing is a sustainable way to lose weight
Jump start what? I mean really, what? This will not result in any more progress than a calorie deficit. If you think it will mentally jump start you or get you in the right mindset to make some changes, you can have the same mental jump start without a useless cleanse. Just choose to do it. That's the jump start.0 -
It's absolutely not meant to be long term. I just find it hilarious you all seem to presume you all eat healthy all the time. So all of you have never relapse with bad eating habits? You're all your appropriate BMI? Weight?11
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I need to do this as a jump start. Why? Because if I go from eating high sodium foods or sugary foods and slowly ween in to healthier alternatives- I rarely stick to it. My mentality is : "I'll start it tomorrow."
When you purchase and invest into 3 days worth of quickly perishable juices - there's no tomorrow. It's literally you're doing this now without any excuse. Hungry? Increase water intake. Next thing you know - you've double or tripled the average water intake you normally have. Once the three days are complete- the likelihood of desiring the foods you were having daily is minimal.
That's why I like juicing. It's just a jumpstart to making a regimen stick.
It works for some people and it doesn't work for others.
You have posted this thread here and have posted a thread in the debate section about having tried the HCG diet.
I'm sensing a pattern here regarding trying unsustainable, gimmicky weight loss "hacks" and learning nothing lasting and yo-yo behavior.
Maybe I'm projecting, but that was my experience with weight loss. Always looking for the gimmick or trick and never really learning anything.
Until I gave up on gimmicks, jump starts, and fads.
You don't need things like this, but moreover, they are counterproductive to the main goal of lasting, sustainable to change that leads to lasting, sustainable weight loss that you maintain for good.
Weight loss like that is not "jump-started" with juice cleanses, it's started with learning how weight loss works, it's started with forming healthy habits, and it's started with getting rid of the idea that you can hack your way into getting rid of a few pounds fast to get yourself "on track".
Managing weight is a life-long commitment. You're never "off track".
People would be much better off if they "jumpstarted" and "cleansed" with the bowel-scouring amount of fiber you get when you do the 800g-of-veg-a-day challenge several of us have done!
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10521320/10-a-day-800g-veggie-fruit-challenge-participants-check-in/p1
I just do NOT get why people are so set on stripping out their fiber, whether it is eating ultra-processed foods on one hand, or doing juicing "cleanses" on the other hand. It makes zero nutritional sense and is completely irrational. If you eat enough fiber, you're not going to be doing much snackin'.
I had to scale back. I was in on that one and a lot of my intake was raw. The IBS nightmare was real!
No more raw veggies for me. I keep it around 800 now, all cooked except for fruit.
But you do bring up a good point.
@WinoGelato is often fond of noting how instead of doing without, how she looked to add more to her life. More fruits and veggies, more steps, more activity.
It would be so refreshing to see someone "jumpstarting" their weight loss by doing something like @estherdragonbat has done by getting a new cookbook and working her way through it, or announcing they got a Fitibit and that they're looking for friends to do step challenges with or for suggestions for new vegetables to try because they're going to challenge themselves to try a new vegetable every week
These things are meaningful steps towards lasting, sustainable change. I just wish more people posted about them than posted about these silly cleanses and detoxes.
Good point. My regular jumpstart is the 4 Day Flat Belly Jump Start Diet. The problem this time is that I have ZERO desire to do it this time. Don't know why. I just know I have been thinking about doing it for the last 4 weeks, keep procrastinating and continuing the bad habit. I know jumpstart does help to get me off the sweets and bad habits, once that's done I'm good. Sine I have ZERO :-) desire to do the normal flat belly. I'm giving the smoothie cleanse a try. Also important to note is that this is not a juice cleanse. half of it includes raw vegetables. There is the option to do all veggies but since I am a newbie to cleansing...I'll do the plan that has half fruit and half veggies. It may work and it may not work. who knows, i'll find out soon enough. If it gets me off my craving..then I'm all good :-). My expectations are low. thought of drinking the vegetables is more Frightening10 -
ttcbelieve wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I need to do this as a jump start. Why? Because if I go from eating high sodium foods or sugary foods and slowly ween in to healthier alternatives- I rarely stick to it. My mentality is : "I'll start it tomorrow."
When you purchase and invest into 3 days worth of quickly perishable juices - there's no tomorrow. It's literally you're doing this now without any excuse. Hungry? Increase water intake. Next thing you know - you've double or tripled the average water intake you normally have. Once the three days are complete- the likelihood of desiring the foods you were having daily is minimal.
That's why I like juicing. It's just a jumpstart to making a regimen stick.
It works for some people and it doesn't work for others.
You have posted this thread here and have posted a thread in the debate section about having tried the HCG diet.
I'm sensing a pattern here regarding trying unsustainable, gimmicky weight loss "hacks" and learning nothing lasting and yo-yo behavior.
Maybe I'm projecting, but that was my experience with weight loss. Always looking for the gimmick or trick and never really learning anything.
Until I gave up on gimmicks, jump starts, and fads.
You don't need things like this, but moreover, they are counterproductive to the main goal of lasting, sustainable to change that leads to lasting, sustainable weight loss that you maintain for good.
Weight loss like that is not "jump-started" with juice cleanses, it's started with learning how weight loss works, it's started with forming healthy habits, and it's started with getting rid of the idea that you can hack your way into getting rid of a few pounds fast to get yourself "on track".
Managing weight is a life-long commitment. You're never "off track".
People would be much better off if they "jumpstarted" and "cleansed" with the bowel-scouring amount of fiber you get when you do the 800g-of-veg-a-day challenge several of us have done!
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10521320/10-a-day-800g-veggie-fruit-challenge-participants-check-in/p1
I just do NOT get why people are so set on stripping out their fiber, whether it is eating ultra-processed foods on one hand, or doing juicing "cleanses" on the other hand. It makes zero nutritional sense and is completely irrational. If you eat enough fiber, you're not going to be doing much snackin'.
I had to scale back. I was in on that one and a lot of my intake was raw. The IBS nightmare was real!
No more raw veggies for me. I keep it around 800 now, all cooked except for fruit.
But you do bring up a good point.
@WinoGelato is often fond of noting how instead of doing without, how she looked to add more to her life. More fruits and veggies, more steps, more activity.
It would be so refreshing to see someone "jumpstarting" their weight loss by doing something like @estherdragonbat has done by getting a new cookbook and working her way through it, or announcing they got a Fitibit and that they're looking for friends to do step challenges with or for suggestions for new vegetables to try because they're going to challenge themselves to try a new vegetable every week
These things are meaningful steps towards lasting, sustainable change. I just wish more people posted about them than posted about these silly cleanses and detoxes.
Good point. My regular jumpstart is the 4 Day Flat Belly Jump Start Diet. The problem this time is that I have ZERO desire to do it this time. Don't know why. I just know I have been thinking about doing it for the last 4 weeks, keep procrastinating and continuing the bad habit. I know jumpstart does help to get me off the sweets and bad habits, once that's done I'm good. Sine I have ZERO :-) desire to do the normal flat belly. I'm giving the smoothie cleanse a try. Also important to note is that this is not a juice cleanse. half of it includes raw vegetables. There is the option to do all veggies but since I am a newbie to cleansing...I'll do the plan that has half fruit and half veggies. It may work and it may not work. who knows, i'll find out soon enough. If it gets me off my craving..then I'm all good :-). My expectations are low. thought of drinking the vegetables is more Frightening
The fact that you have to do "jumpstarts" over and over again should tell you something about their effectiveness.16 -
It's absolutely not meant to be long term. I just find it hilarious you all seem to presume you all eat healthy all the time. So all of you have never relapse with bad eating habits? You're all your appropriate BMI? Weight?
According to Cronometer, I consistently meet my nutritional needs and my blood work (done annually) is awesome. The food I eat tastes great and makes me feel good.
My BMI is 19 and I'm at my goal weight. I've been maintaining for almost two years now.
So does that make my opinions more valid?
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It's absolutely not meant to be long term. I just find it hilarious you all seem to presume you all eat healthy all the time. So all of you have never relapse with bad eating habits? You're all your appropriate BMI? Weight?
I've had many relapses into bad habits and there are a lot of ways to get myself back on track. Throwing away two weeks worth of my grocery budget on a juice cleanse is not one of them. Journaling, tracking, reconsidering my motivations, setting small goals, trying new recipes, joining a challenge like the veggie challenge, starting a walking challenge, keeping a calendar to track my goals reached, talking to my therapist, and about a hundred different ways that are cheaper and have longer term results.9 -
It's absolutely not meant to be long term. I just find it hilarious you all seem to presume you all eat healthy all the time. So all of you have never relapse with bad eating habits? You're all your appropriate BMI? Weight?
Relapse? Bad eating habits? I don't see things that way. I am an adult who takes responsibility for my choices without judging myself or acting like I went on an alcohol binge. I don't need to trick myself into thinking I am jump starting anything by doing a meaningless cleanse.
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ttcbelieve wrote: »ttcbelieve wrote: »SassyCassie90 wrote: »So I have done a 10 day green smoothie cleanse (ok I've only made it to day 7!), but I loved the results. I made the smoothies myself though. I do the cleanse whenever I want to Jumpstart my weight loss journey. I am getting myself prepared to do it again, and i say that because i really have to prepare myself mentally to only drink smoothies. Although the cleanse i use lets me eat hard boiled eggs, small handful of nuts, and crunchy veggies so i don't feel like i am starving. Others may not agree but FOR ME it really helps. I feel like I lose the cravings for junk food and the need to snack whenever I'm not hungry. It works for me, and I see no reason why you shouldn't at least try it. If you have it in your mind that it will work, then there's a higher chance that it will. Good luck!
Thanks and I agree, that's the reason I want to give it a try. I considered trying to do the smoothies myself at home, but knowing myself...i'll use it as an excuse not to do it at all. I'll see how the home purchase smoothies work. I'm keeping my fingers crossed but putting my mind to it for sure. I need all the luck I can get :-)
I'm beyond trying to talk you out of doing this, but believing that weight loss is a matter of "luck" is what's causing you to fail over and over. Until you believe that you have control over your own eating habits you will always be derailed by the "bad luck" in your life.
I agree, remember I'm doing this to jump start. I do not think cleansing is a sustainable way to lose weight
Yes, I understand that you are not using this in the expectation of losing any real weight. What I'm seeing is that you are preparing yourself for what you anticipate will be an unpleasant few days after which you believe your cravings will be under control. What happens if you can't complete the "cleanse" because you just can't stick it out or life gets in the way? Will you continue to feel like you can't lose weight because you have no control over your cravings? What happens if you're successful and after some period of time have a very bad day and end up eating all the trigger foods? Or go to a restaurant, or have a night out? Will you be able to step back from that and continue with your long-term food plan? Does your food plan even allow for any of the things you love to eat, in moderation? I just see this mindset as leading to more weight-loss failure in the future, and another cycle of feeling out of control and searching for the newest "jump-start".2 -
diannethegeek wrote: »It's absolutely not meant to be long term. I just find it hilarious you all seem to presume you all eat healthy all the time. So all of you have never relapse with bad eating habits? You're all your appropriate BMI? Weight?
I've had many relapses into bad habits and there are a lot of ways to get myself back on track. Throwing away two weeks worth of my grocery budget on a juice cleanse is not one of them. Journaling, tracking, reconsidering my motivations, setting small goals, trying new recipes, joining a challenge like the veggie challenge, starting a walking challenge, keeping a calendar to track my goals reached, talking to my therapist, and about a hundred different ways that are cheaper and have longer term results.
One I like (for people who have access to one): walking around a farmer's market and picking out fruits and vegetables that I'm excited to eat.9 -
...Are you seriously telling me that you've never fallen into an unhealthy eating pattern? Are you telling me you always had will power to stick to healthy foods and not once failed back into a bad eating pattern? ...
No. Of course I have had unhealthy eating patterns. In fact that is the reason what brings most of us here.
I have been at this for 5 years and managed to successfully lose over 70 kg and to keep it off.
Though English is not my native language, but I think I won't be wrong if I leave here one word which has been key for me during all this time in more than one way:
Sustainability
There is nothing sustainable in short pointless "clenses" or "detoxes"
There is way simpler and less painful option - choose good food sources with macronutrient ratios that suits you and eat those in moderate calorie deficite. Thats it, very simple. And if you sometimes feel like having a hi sodium or sugar stuff - go for it, helps you keep your sanity, just keep it close to your calorie goal.
No magic needed, life is simpler than that.
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French_Peasant wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I need to do this as a jump start. Why? Because if I go from eating high sodium foods or sugary foods and slowly ween in to healthier alternatives- I rarely stick to it. My mentality is : "I'll start it tomorrow."
When you purchase and invest into 3 days worth of quickly perishable juices - there's no tomorrow. It's literally you're doing this now without any excuse. Hungry? Increase water intake. Next thing you know - you've double or tripled the average water intake you normally have. Once the three days are complete- the likelihood of desiring the foods you were having daily is minimal.
That's why I like juicing. It's just a jumpstart to making a regimen stick.
It works for some people and it doesn't work for others.
You have posted this thread here and have posted a thread in the debate section about having tried the HCG diet.
I'm sensing a pattern here regarding trying unsustainable, gimmicky weight loss "hacks" and learning nothing lasting and yo-yo behavior.
Maybe I'm projecting, but that was my experience with weight loss. Always looking for the gimmick or trick and never really learning anything.
Until I gave up on gimmicks, jump starts, and fads.
You don't need things like this, but moreover, they are counterproductive to the main goal of lasting, sustainable to change that leads to lasting, sustainable weight loss that you maintain for good.
Weight loss like that is not "jump-started" with juice cleanses, it's started with learning how weight loss works, it's started with forming healthy habits, and it's started with getting rid of the idea that you can hack your way into getting rid of a few pounds fast to get yourself "on track".
Managing weight is a life-long commitment. You're never "off track".
People would be much better off if they "jumpstarted" and "cleansed" with the bowel-scouring amount of fiber you get when you do the 800g-of-veg-a-day challenge several of us have done!
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10521320/10-a-day-800g-veggie-fruit-challenge-participants-check-in/p1
I just do NOT get why people are so set on stripping out their fiber, whether it is eating ultra-processed foods on one hand, or doing juicing "cleanses" on the other hand. It makes zero nutritional sense and is completely irrational. If you eat enough fiber, you're not going to be doing much snackin'.
Stripping out healthy fiber is one of many reasons why I no longer juice. I do make fruit/veggie/protein smoothies almost every day, blending it all in my food processor. So filling!4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »It's absolutely not meant to be long term. I just find it hilarious you all seem to presume you all eat healthy all the time. So all of you have never relapse with bad eating habits? You're all your appropriate BMI? Weight?
I've had many relapses into bad habits and there are a lot of ways to get myself back on track. Throwing away two weeks worth of my grocery budget on a juice cleanse is not one of them. Journaling, tracking, reconsidering my motivations, setting small goals, trying new recipes, joining a challenge like the veggie challenge, starting a walking challenge, keeping a calendar to track my goals reached, talking to my therapist, and about a hundred different ways that are cheaper and have longer term results.
One I like (for people who have access to one): walking around a farmer's market and picking out fruits and vegetables that I'm excited to eat.
<nods>
That makes a whole lot more sense to me than gagging down some slimy, foul-tasting 'magical' concoction from a blender for three or four days. The only thing that would "reboot" for me would be a desire for a quick, painless death rather than continuing on that regimen.2 -
I dont have relapses because I eat what I want and make it fit into my diet. if I hit a plateau of say 6-8 weeks(which is a true plateau). I either eat less or eat at maintenance for a week or so and get back to my deficit. I have kept most of my weight off for 5 years now(aside from 5 lbs which may or may not be muscle I have gained doing recomps over the last 5 years). my health markers are good as well. They are in fact even better than they were and there are days I eat more junk than most people I know. we all have those days we eat not so healthy but I have never in the last 5 years needed a "jumpstart" or a cleanse. I just keep doing what I have been doing and have yet to gain back most of my weight(Im also perimenopausal).8
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If they worked, you wouldn't have to do them more than once.7
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Again, you make it seem like a long term diet instead of a 3 day temporary regimen to push those with lack of will power.
Are you seriously telling me that you've never fallen into an unhealthy eating pattern? Are you telling me you always had will power to stick to healthy foods and not once failed back into a bad eating pattern?
There's positive studies (google them) without any negative side effects from juicing for 3 days straight. I'm obtaining my nutrients from other sources (vitamins). The only thing being a slight impact is lack of protein.
I'm seriously telling you (I know the you you are asking is all of us replying to this post) that I don't give up anything I want a candy bar, ice cream, pie I eat it I just mix in the carrots, steak, fish, apples, beans etc. and I can stick to this weight loss thing by CICO, and I am good to go.
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MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »If they worked, you wouldn't have to do them more than once.
Which is why the diet industry is a booming, multi-billion dollar business. They rely upon people failing over and over again with the quick fixes and believing the woo, so they keep coming back for more.9 -
It's absolutely not meant to be long term. I just find it hilarious you all seem to presume you all eat healthy all the time. So all of you have never relapse with bad eating habits? You're all your appropriate BMI? Weight?
44 yrs old 5'5" 130lbs. Was never really overweight, just lost 15 vanity lbs and have kept it off for a couple of years now. Just got blood work done, all my numbers are optimal. I strength train 3x per week, love to walk and hike, sleep like a baby. I eat fruits and veggies (though I am trying to eat more) plenty of whole grains and protein and am currently trying to eat more fish. I also eat pizza once a week, ice cream or oreos after dinner every night, I like the occasional Hot Pocket, and I got a Wendy's Classic Single Value Meal for lunch over the weekend. It's all yummy, fits in my calories, and gets me plenty of nutrition. And I don't have to bother to punish myself a couple of times a year with a "cleanse".9 -
First off. Carrots aren't that fibre rich, never mind when you juice all the fibre out of the buggers.
As to the healthy/unhealthy thing. When you see food in such black and white terms I can see how trying to maintain that way of eating fills you with dread.
Some weeks I eat a lot of take out. Some weeks a lot of chocolate. And then a lot more weeks with plenty veg and lean meats etc. Balance. Sustainability.
I'm also always curious that people assert starving yourself for a week is a way to reduce cravings. If it were me you better get out my way after that last juice because I am going to town on pizza and cheesecake.7
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