Green Smoothie Cleanse - Store bought smoothie recommendation
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It's absolutely not meant to be long term. I just find it hilarious you all seem to presume you all eat healthy all the time. So all of you have never relapse with bad eating habits? You're all your appropriate BMI? Weight?
The fact that it's not a sustainable weight loss/maintenance strategy is exactly why we're all against it.
I definitely do not eat "healthy" all the time! I don't presume my diet is better than yours or anybody else's. I eat a lot- often over 2000 calories! But I'm losing consistently because I have finally learned that there is no superfood, no jumpstart, no magical fat reducing pills or potions, no "fat-targeting" exercises, etc. There is only math.
THERE IS ONLY MATH. Ci/Co. Period.
The reason we're against this is because we have all fallen for this BS or one of its cousins at some point and we know it doesn't work.
Math works.
Relapse into bad eating habits? No. I eat what I want when I want.
BMI? 27 down from 44.
Weight? 162.5 down from 266.
So, no. I'm not perfect. Far from it, but I finally know the ultimate long term weight loss secret-- Math.
I hope this didn't read as confrontational; just MHO.
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It's absolutely not meant to be long term. I just find it hilarious you all seem to presume you all eat healthy all the time. So all of you have never relapse with bad eating habits? You're all your appropriate BMI? Weight?
I don't think it has to do with that at all and BMI is a terrible way to judge individuals. For large populations it works but not for one person. Body fat percentage is better but since all measuring methods are prone to error even that is dicey.
The reason many are pushing back as hard as they are is because they don't feel ANY scientific evidence supports cleansing or juicing. Now I honestly don't care either way but to support your position provide the links to studies that are peer reviewed that shows it works and people will start to shut up. Telling people to look it up doesn't work and neither is the thinly veiled shaming comment above.2 -
I've been heavy most of my life. My SW this time was the heaviest it's ever been: 254 lbs. I've managed to avoid most of the crash dieting, cleansing, etc., sticking mostly to Weight Watchers and the old-school calorie-counting books before that when I tried losing weight. (I did try some 'unnamed' crash dieting in my teens. As in spent a miserable couple of weeks on tomato juice and crackers. At the end of which time, I gave into my cravings, raided the fridge, and forgot the whole thing.)
I do eat mainly healthy, but make room for a few treats and indulgences. I make plenty from scratch, but I also include some convenience foods. I've given nothing up, though I mostly choose desserts that come in at 200 calories or fewer per serving and I try to avoid calorie bombs in restaurants. (Example: Last night, I had a hummus and sauteed veggie wrap with a baked potato, because it was easier to estimate those calories than the veggie stirfry platter would have been; I can't eyeball a bed of rice and accurately guess the volume and I have no clue the ingredients or amount of the stir-fry sauce.)
As of Sunday's weigh-in, I was 176.6 lbs. 36.6 away from the top of my healthy BMI, 46.6 away from goal. I've seen my BMI go from 45 to 31.3. And I haven't had to deprive myself or punish myself. I don't mind an occasional glass of fruit juice or smoothie. But a cleanse? No way.6 -
It's absolutely not meant to be long term. I just find it hilarious you all seem to presume you all eat healthy all the time. So all of you have never relapse with bad eating habits? You're all your appropriate BMI? Weight?
You're not getting it. Almost all of us have fallen back into bad eating habits. What we've learned is how to move past it and continue towards our goals. What I don't see happening here is any plan to manage lapses other than doing juice "cleanses" over and over. If anyone finds that's a sustainable way to manage their weight then obviously that's the path they should take, but given the thousands of posts by people miserable and discouraged who've gone this route I can't see it as a viable strategy.2 -
I don't get this idea of "jump starting". I guess because I never had what I considered a "bad" diet.
Whenever I started a diet in the past, I just ... started it. I never needed something to "break" me of any habits. I just picked up new ones. A lot of them were based, unfortunately on gimmicks, so they weren't sustainable, but I've never adhered to any idea that I needed to do anything other than mental gymnastics to get used to the idea that I was starting a diet.
Now, what I've learned? The concept of "starting a diet" is wrong. Being on track for weight management is a different mindset that has a long-term, never-ending focus.
There are two of you in this thread who don't have the right idea about this whole thing, and neither one of you have a chance of long-term success unless you do some serious attitude readjusting.
Diets aren't something you go on and off. They aren't things that need kick starting. A diet is a sustainable eating plan that contains foods both nourishing and pleasurable (not that these things are necessarily mutually exclusive). The calorie content of those foods will either help you lose, gain, or maintain your weight depending on your goals.
Until you learn the proper context of diet in your life, you'll be doomed to yo-yo.12 -
Multiple studies by Proceedings of the Nutrition Society on juicing for the person that asked. Deficiency again being protein which can be easily adjusted with a high protein shake additionally and incorporation of vitamins.
Every now and then I fall into a bad eating habits. (Vacation, work chaos, or just by association.) Normally I'd just adjust my eating habits, but there has been instances where I have a really hard time sticking to a proper eating regimen because of a strong craving desire. My will power sucks. Either I'm all in or I'm procrastinating. Thus, a time explicit investment that's all in or out. Cravings sometimes diverted my routine eating habits. I've always been good at maintaining my weight.
I was a fat kid. 210 at 14.
HCG was a kick because I couldn't pass the 170 mark. I maintained my weight for two years at 150. I gained the weight to 170 again after a bad break up, work stress, and the stresss of opening my new business. Crap happens. My weight gain was within 3 months. I'm going to the gym and have been meal prepping with my personal trainer monitoring my meals. Juicing is just another option to see why the weight will not come off after a month. I'm consuming the same amount of calories as my meal prep 1,300. If I still can't loose the weight than I will increase my intake with solids.
Blood work was done prior to my juicing before you ask.13 -
Proceedings of the Nutrition Society isn't a body that conducts studies. It's a journal that publishes studies.
I found one reference on a pro-juicing site to a study that was published in the journal citing the following:A 2009 study published in Proceedings of the Nutrition Society found that consumption of the equivalent of 5 servings of fruits and vegetables in the form of purée and fruit juice concentrates in intervals over an 8 hour time period increased dietary phytochemicals, micronutrients, and plasma antioxidant status. [7]
Now, her footnote links to a study on Swedish massage and glucose levels, so I couldn't even verify that she was talking about anything that was published in that journal.
https://exploreim.ucla.edu/wellness/massaging-towards-social-health/
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InkAndApples wrote: »But how does that make you stick with anything in the long term? I am genuinely baffled.
IKR? And not only that, but how does not giving your body everything it needs (ie protein, fat, fiber, etc) for 3 days help you start a healthy lifestyle??? It's like saying I'm really depressed and lonely so to jumpstart my effort to cheer up and meet people I'm going to stay in my home alone for 3 days and watch true crime and war documentaries
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ttcbelieve wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I need to do this as a jump start. Why? Because if I go from eating high sodium foods or sugary foods and slowly ween in to healthier alternatives- I rarely stick to it. My mentality is : "I'll start it tomorrow."
When you purchase and invest into 3 days worth of quickly perishable juices - there's no tomorrow. It's literally you're doing this now without any excuse. Hungry? Increase water intake. Next thing you know - you've double or tripled the average water intake you normally have. Once the three days are complete- the likelihood of desiring the foods you were having daily is minimal.
That's why I like juicing. It's just a jumpstart to making a regimen stick.
It works for some people and it doesn't work for others.
You have posted this thread here and have posted a thread in the debate section about having tried the HCG diet.
I'm sensing a pattern here regarding trying unsustainable, gimmicky weight loss "hacks" and learning nothing lasting and yo-yo behavior.
Maybe I'm projecting, but that was my experience with weight loss. Always looking for the gimmick or trick and never really learning anything.
Until I gave up on gimmicks, jump starts, and fads.
You don't need things like this, but moreover, they are counterproductive to the main goal of lasting, sustainable to change that leads to lasting, sustainable weight loss that you maintain for good.
Weight loss like that is not "jump-started" with juice cleanses, it's started with learning how weight loss works, it's started with forming healthy habits, and it's started with getting rid of the idea that you can hack your way into getting rid of a few pounds fast to get yourself "on track".
Managing weight is a life-long commitment. You're never "off track".
People would be much better off if they "jumpstarted" and "cleansed" with the bowel-scouring amount of fiber you get when you do the 800g-of-veg-a-day challenge several of us have done!
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10521320/10-a-day-800g-veggie-fruit-challenge-participants-check-in/p1
I just do NOT get why people are so set on stripping out their fiber, whether it is eating ultra-processed foods on one hand, or doing juicing "cleanses" on the other hand. It makes zero nutritional sense and is completely irrational. If you eat enough fiber, you're not going to be doing much snackin'.
I had to scale back. I was in on that one and a lot of my intake was raw. The IBS nightmare was real!
No more raw veggies for me. I keep it around 800 now, all cooked except for fruit.
But you do bring up a good point.
@WinoGelato is often fond of noting how instead of doing without, how she looked to add more to her life. More fruits and veggies, more steps, more activity.
It would be so refreshing to see someone "jumpstarting" their weight loss by doing something like @estherdragonbat has done by getting a new cookbook and working her way through it, or announcing they got a Fitibit and that they're looking for friends to do step challenges with or for suggestions for new vegetables to try because they're going to challenge themselves to try a new vegetable every week
These things are meaningful steps towards lasting, sustainable change. I just wish more people posted about them than posted about these silly cleanses and detoxes.
Good point. My regular jumpstart is the 4 Day Flat Belly Jump Start Diet. The problem this time is that I have ZERO desire to do it this time. Don't know why. I just know I have been thinking about doing it for the last 4 weeks, keep procrastinating and continuing the bad habit. I know jumpstart does help to get me off the sweets and bad habits, once that's done I'm good. Sine I have ZERO :-) desire to do the normal flat belly. I'm giving the smoothie cleanse a try. Also important to note is that this is not a juice cleanse. half of it includes raw vegetables. There is the option to do all veggies but since I am a newbie to cleansing...I'll do the plan that has half fruit and half veggies. It may work and it may not work. who knows, i'll find out soon enough. If it gets me off my craving..then I'm all good :-). My expectations are low. thought of drinking the vegetables is more Frightening
The fact that you have to do "jumpstarts" over and over again should tell you something about their effectiveness.
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janejellyroll wrote: »It's absolutely not meant to be long term. I just find it hilarious you all seem to presume you all eat healthy all the time. So all of you have never relapse with bad eating habits? You're all your appropriate BMI? Weight?
According to Cronometer, I consistently meet my nutritional needs and my blood work (done annually) is awesome. The food I eat tastes great and makes me feel good.
My BMI is 19 and I'm at my goal weight. I've been maintaining for almost two years now.
So does that make my opinions more valid?
Naaaa....Not really. I maintained for 3yrs4 -
joseccastaneda wrote: »I jump started this week's diet with birthday cake and ice cream. Still managed to lose weight. I wonder if i can market that.
If you had a cake sandwich cleanse, you might be onto something...11 -
ttcbelieve wrote: »ttcbelieve wrote: »SassyCassie90 wrote: »So I have done a 10 day green smoothie cleanse (ok I've only made it to day 7!), but I loved the results. I made the smoothies myself though. I do the cleanse whenever I want to Jumpstart my weight loss journey. I am getting myself prepared to do it again, and i say that because i really have to prepare myself mentally to only drink smoothies. Although the cleanse i use lets me eat hard boiled eggs, small handful of nuts, and crunchy veggies so i don't feel like i am starving. Others may not agree but FOR ME it really helps. I feel like I lose the cravings for junk food and the need to snack whenever I'm not hungry. It works for me, and I see no reason why you shouldn't at least try it. If you have it in your mind that it will work, then there's a higher chance that it will. Good luck!
Thanks and I agree, that's the reason I want to give it a try. I considered trying to do the smoothies myself at home, but knowing myself...i'll use it as an excuse not to do it at all. I'll see how the home purchase smoothies work. I'm keeping my fingers crossed but putting my mind to it for sure. I need all the luck I can get :-)
I'm beyond trying to talk you out of doing this, but believing that weight loss is a matter of "luck" is what's causing you to fail over and over. Until you believe that you have control over your own eating habits you will always be derailed by the "bad luck" in your life.
I agree, remember I'm doing this to jump start. I do not think cleansing is a sustainable way to lose weight
Jump start what? I mean really, what? This will not result in any more progress than a calorie deficit. If you think it will mentally jump start you or get you in the right mindset to make some changes, you can have the same mental jump start without a useless cleanse. Just choose to do it. That's the jump start.
I choose to do it 4 weeks ago. I am still "choosing" and not "doing". Yes...I lack will power this time. I have identified this already, hence the alternative. Trust me when I say I am dragging my self to do this cleanse. I know me. I normally have will power. This time I am really struggling and after 4 weeks. I raise my hand and accept defeat graciously and ask for help. I need help Y'all. I'm a hardcore carnivore who loves sweet. Trust me not having animal protein for 3 - 5 days is probably a good thing for me. The smoothie has plan based protein.11 -
Lol, how about just quit fooling around and getting serious and just eating better? You don't need a "jumpstart", you just need to mentally get in the game.ttcbelieve wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What are your goals for this "cleanse"?
To get back on track with healthy eating and maintaining weight. I added 10lbs in the last 2 months. I can't seem to get the motivation or desire to stop eating junk. All I need is jumpstart and I have never tried a cleanse. I'm not looking to lose 10lbs with the cleanse. I just need it to jumpstart getting me back on track. Hope that makes sense
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ttcbelieve wrote: »ttcbelieve wrote: »SassyCassie90 wrote: »So I have done a 10 day green smoothie cleanse (ok I've only made it to day 7!), but I loved the results. I made the smoothies myself though. I do the cleanse whenever I want to Jumpstart my weight loss journey. I am getting myself prepared to do it again, and i say that because i really have to prepare myself mentally to only drink smoothies. Although the cleanse i use lets me eat hard boiled eggs, small handful of nuts, and crunchy veggies so i don't feel like i am starving. Others may not agree but FOR ME it really helps. I feel like I lose the cravings for junk food and the need to snack whenever I'm not hungry. It works for me, and I see no reason why you shouldn't at least try it. If you have it in your mind that it will work, then there's a higher chance that it will. Good luck!
Thanks and I agree, that's the reason I want to give it a try. I considered trying to do the smoothies myself at home, but knowing myself...i'll use it as an excuse not to do it at all. I'll see how the home purchase smoothies work. I'm keeping my fingers crossed but putting my mind to it for sure. I need all the luck I can get :-)
I'm beyond trying to talk you out of doing this, but believing that weight loss is a matter of "luck" is what's causing you to fail over and over. Until you believe that you have control over your own eating habits you will always be derailed by the "bad luck" in your life.
I agree, remember I'm doing this to jump start. I do not think cleansing is a sustainable way to lose weight
Yes, I understand that you are not using this in the expectation of losing any real weight. What I'm seeing is that you are preparing yourself for what you anticipate will be an unpleasant few days after which you believe your cravings will be under control. What happens if you can't complete the "cleanse" because you just can't stick it out or life gets in the way? Will you continue to feel like you can't lose weight because you have no control over your cravings? What happens if you're successful and after some period of time have a very bad day and end up eating all the trigger foods? Or go to a restaurant, or have a night out? Will you be able to step back from that and continue with your long-term food plan? Does your food plan even allow for any of the things you love to eat, in moderation? I just see this mindset as leading to more weight-loss failure in the future, and another cycle of feeling out of control and searching for the newest "jump-start".
Good Questions!.
YES...I'm sure I'll complete the cleanse. That's the only thing I'm sure off. I need the cleanse simple to get my motivation back on. The rest after that is up to me. I'm normally very good with control. I have been for the last 5yrs, so I don't expect it to be a problem going forward. I have absolutely no idea what has happened over the last 4 weeks but yeah. I need something different. Hopefully I never have to do this again. I agree with another post here that says "if you are a car, you can't keep jumpstarting" LOL9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »It's absolutely not meant to be long term. I just find it hilarious you all seem to presume you all eat healthy all the time. So all of you have never relapse with bad eating habits? You're all your appropriate BMI? Weight?
I've had many relapses into bad habits and there are a lot of ways to get myself back on track. Throwing away two weeks worth of my grocery budget on a juice cleanse is not one of them. Journaling, tracking, reconsidering my motivations, setting small goals, trying new recipes, joining a challenge like the veggie challenge, starting a walking challenge, keeping a calendar to track my goals reached, talking to my therapist, and about a hundred different ways that are cheaper and have longer term results.
One I like (for people who have access to one): walking around a farmer's market and picking out fruits and vegetables that I'm excited to eat.
<nods>
That makes a whole lot more sense to me than gagging down some slimy, foul-tasting 'magical' concoction from a blender for three or four days. The only thing that would "reboot" for me would be a desire for a quick, painless death rather than continuing on that regimen.
That's how I expect to feel over the next 3-5 days :-)
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MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »If they worked, you wouldn't have to do them more than once.
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ttcbelieve wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »It's absolutely not meant to be long term. I just find it hilarious you all seem to presume you all eat healthy all the time. So all of you have never relapse with bad eating habits? You're all your appropriate BMI? Weight?
I've had many relapses into bad habits and there are a lot of ways to get myself back on track. Throwing away two weeks worth of my grocery budget on a juice cleanse is not one of them. Journaling, tracking, reconsidering my motivations, setting small goals, trying new recipes, joining a challenge like the veggie challenge, starting a walking challenge, keeping a calendar to track my goals reached, talking to my therapist, and about a hundred different ways that are cheaper and have longer term results.
One I like (for people who have access to one): walking around a farmer's market and picking out fruits and vegetables that I'm excited to eat.
<nods>
That makes a whole lot more sense to me than gagging down some slimy, foul-tasting 'magical' concoction from a blender for three or four days. The only thing that would "reboot" for me would be a desire for a quick, painless death rather than continuing on that regimen.
That's how I expect to feel over the next 3-5 days :-)
And you think that's conducive to long term success? Abject misery as punishment for not just committing to returning to old habits instead of the ones you've fallen into now).5 -
VintageFeline wrote: »ttcbelieve wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »It's absolutely not meant to be long term. I just find it hilarious you all seem to presume you all eat healthy all the time. So all of you have never relapse with bad eating habits? You're all your appropriate BMI? Weight?
I've had many relapses into bad habits and there are a lot of ways to get myself back on track. Throwing away two weeks worth of my grocery budget on a juice cleanse is not one of them. Journaling, tracking, reconsidering my motivations, setting small goals, trying new recipes, joining a challenge like the veggie challenge, starting a walking challenge, keeping a calendar to track my goals reached, talking to my therapist, and about a hundred different ways that are cheaper and have longer term results.
One I like (for people who have access to one): walking around a farmer's market and picking out fruits and vegetables that I'm excited to eat.
<nods>
That makes a whole lot more sense to me than gagging down some slimy, foul-tasting 'magical' concoction from a blender for three or four days. The only thing that would "reboot" for me would be a desire for a quick, painless death rather than continuing on that regimen.
That's how I expect to feel over the next 3-5 days :-)
And you think that's conducive to long term success? Abject misery as punishment for not just committing to returning to old habits instead of the ones you've fallen into now).
Vintage,
I tried committing. It did not work. That in itself is extremely unusual for me the lack of will power. I know enough to know I need to put some breaks on this time. The cleanse for me, I don't think is a bad idea. Reality is that I do not disagree with all the feedback that has been sent. I'm doing smoothie and not juicing and they are different. I also don't disagree specifically on the comments on smoothies either.
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I'll give this a try, who knows maybe a year from now if someone ask's I can say whether it works or does not work.
However, important to say is that I definitely appreciate all the feedback and information that I have received from the forum. I did not expect it and it was very nice of everyone to provide some feedback, I found it informative. Even if I still do the cleanse but that's ok5 -
ttcbelieve wrote: »I tried committing. It did not work.
So what makes you think you can commit to a "cleanse"? And if you can, then you can commit to getting on track without a "cleanse".3 -
the thing is once you get into the mindset to eat a certain way you need to stay in that mindset and to stay on track otherwise you will get off track. you have to want it bad enough to stick with it. I know for me I dont want to get back to being overweight,out of breath,out of shape and taking more meds than I am now. for me thats my motivation for sticking with the lifestyle Im following.if I fail I now to get right back on and go from there. I dont give up and then come back and start over and over. once you begin you need to know that you need to stay the course.0
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