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And apparently Keto is evil...
Keto isn't evil.
Claims about keto curing disease, claims that keto is the only way to eat, claims that anyone who doesn't eat keto is hungry all the time? Those are met with scorn because they're not true.
A lot of the popular gurus who push keto (Fung, Taubes, Moore) spread misinformation. People come here to MFP and try to spread it further and get hit with people with something that's not keto propaganda: hard data about weight loss.
Keto works brilliantly for the people who like it and can stick to it. That's only a small subset of people. That's not anything the gurus tell you. They think it's a universal solution. It's not.16 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Here's a wee link for you, Macy, since you seem to have forgotten the basics: http://anthro.palomar.edu/culture/culture_1.htm
Note specifically the third layer of culture:
"The third layer of culture consists of cultural universals. These are learned behavior patterns that are shared by all of humanity collectively. No matter where people live in the world, they share these universal traits. Examples of such "human cultural" traits include:
1. communicating with a verbal language consisting of a limited set of sounds and grammatical rules for constructing sentences
2. using age and gender to classify people (e.g., teenager, senior citizen, woman, man)
3. classifying people based on marriage and descent relationships and having kinship terms to refer to
them (e.g., wife, mother, uncle, cousin)
4. raising children in some sort of family setting
5. having a sexual division of labor (e.g., men's work versus women's work)
6. having a concept of privacy
7. having rules to regulate sexual behavior
8. distinguishing between good and bad behavior
9. having some sort of body ornamentation
10. making jokes and playing games
11. having art
12. having some sort of leadership roles for the implementation of community decisions
While all cultures have these and possibly many other universal traits, different cultures have developed their own specific ways of carrying out or expressing them. For instance, people in deaf subcultures frequently use their hands to communicate with sign language instead of verbal language. However, sign languages have grammatical rules just as verbal ones do.
Wait, where's the part about pretending to eat cake so your co-workers don't get offended?15 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »Here's a wee link for you, Macy, since you seem to have forgotten the basics: http://anthro.palomar.edu/culture/culture_1.htm
Note specifically the third layer of culture:
"The third layer of culture consists of cultural universals. These are learned behavior patterns that are shared by all of humanity collectively. No matter where people live in the world, they share these universal traits. Examples of such "human cultural" traits include:
1. communicating with a verbal language consisting of a limited set of sounds and grammatical rules for constructing sentences
2. using age and gender to classify people (e.g., teenager, senior citizen, woman, man)
3. classifying people based on marriage and descent relationships and having kinship terms to refer to
them (e.g., wife, mother, uncle, cousin)
4. raising children in some sort of family setting
5. having a sexual division of labor (e.g., men's work versus women's work)
6. having a concept of privacy
7. having rules to regulate sexual behavior
8. distinguishing between good and bad behavior
9. having some sort of body ornamentation
10. making jokes and playing games
11. having art
12. having some sort of leadership roles for the implementation of community decisions
While all cultures have these and possibly many other universal traits, different cultures have developed their own specific ways of carrying out or expressing them. For instance, people in deaf subcultures frequently use their hands to communicate with sign language instead of verbal language. However, sign languages have grammatical rules just as verbal ones do.
Wait, where's the part about pretending to eat cake so your co-workers don't get offended?
I think it's fairly safe to say that is not a universal human trait
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VintageFeline wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »oh how I would love to write my psych dissertation on cake culture in the workplace....haha!
Why not? Another theme would be how it intersects with the individualism of American culture...hence the primary defence being along the lines of "it's your choice to eat or not eat the cake" "just say no" etc. How does cake culture play out in societies that value conformity over individualism?
I'm not American. It intersects with my culture of being a human who has always, throughout history, shared food as social bonding.
May I ask, what you are then? Although many cultures have commonalities, there is no one 'human' culture.
Can you tell me of a human culture where sharing of food in times of celebration isn't a thing?
In China, the traditional food to celebrate a birthday are peaches and noodles, not cake.
But still food...........
Yes. Ok, I didn't want to go there but honestly, you are not using the term "culture" correctly. The definition of culture is the customs, practices and beliefs of a particular people or society. By definition, there can be no universal human "culture". So your point that all humans share food is merely pointing out a commonality between cultures. Sorry, but there it is.
Of course you didn't.
I don't expect you to understand. After all you are a layman so are not as sensitive to the misuse of technical terminology.
Something was niggling at me after reading this, and the search function helped my memory out a bit. My memory isn't as faulty as I sometimes think it is.
You've posted that you're retired from working for 20 years in the Air Force on space program stuff and also that you worked as a grants officer with unlimited authority with academia at some point.
I'm not sure where you are fitting in a claim to being an anthropologist now, or where the "cake culture" comes in either of these scenarios.
You mean the Space Race was a billion dollar effort to defend our cake culture? I thought the Apollo program was all about the Moon Pies.
I had an eclipse party for the last solar eclipse. Discovered that the only place in SE Wisconsin to find Moon Pies was Stop and Go stores (attached to BP gas stations). At least the Sun Chips were easier to find, but I did get enough Moon Pies for everyone who attended.
I've never had a moon pie.
ETA: Never mind, I just searched and it looks like a wagon wheel. I've had them. What kind of booze did you have?
Bloody love a Wagon Wheel. Grossly offended they've shrunk since their 80s heyday.
We now have Wagon Wheel ice cream sandwiches...
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Alatariel75 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »oh how I would love to write my psych dissertation on cake culture in the workplace....haha!
Why not? Another theme would be how it intersects with the individualism of American culture...hence the primary defence being along the lines of "it's your choice to eat or not eat the cake" "just say no" etc. How does cake culture play out in societies that value conformity over individualism?
I'm not American. It intersects with my culture of being a human who has always, throughout history, shared food as social bonding.
May I ask, what you are then? Although many cultures have commonalities, there is no one 'human' culture.
Can you tell me of a human culture where sharing of food in times of celebration isn't a thing?
In China, the traditional food to celebrate a birthday are peaches and noodles, not cake.
But still food...........
Yes. Ok, I didn't want to go there but honestly, you are not using the term "culture" correctly. The definition of culture is the customs, practices and beliefs of a particular people or society. By definition, there can be no universal human "culture". So your point that all humans share food is merely pointing out a commonality between cultures. Sorry, but there it is.
Of course you didn't.
I don't expect you to understand. After all you are a layman so are not as sensitive to the misuse of technical terminology.
Something was niggling at me after reading this, and the search function helped my memory out a bit. My memory isn't as faulty as I sometimes think it is.
You've posted that you're retired from working for 20 years in the Air Force on space program stuff and also that you worked as a grants officer with unlimited authority with academia at some point.
I'm not sure where you are fitting in a claim to being an anthropologist now, or where the "cake culture" comes in either of these scenarios.
You mean the Space Race was a billion dollar effort to defend our cake culture? I thought the Apollo program was all about the Moon Pies.
I had an eclipse party for the last solar eclipse. Discovered that the only place in SE Wisconsin to find Moon Pies was Stop and Go stores (attached to BP gas stations). At least the Sun Chips were easier to find, but I did get enough Moon Pies for everyone who attended.
I've never had a moon pie.
ETA: Never mind, I just searched and it looks like a wagon wheel. I've had them. What kind of booze did you have?
Bloody love a Wagon Wheel. Grossly offended they've shrunk since their 80s heyday.
We now have Wagon Wheel ice cream sandwiches...
I need these. For research purposes.....8 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »oh how I would love to write my psych dissertation on cake culture in the workplace....haha!
Why not? Another theme would be how it intersects with the individualism of American culture...hence the primary defence being along the lines of "it's your choice to eat or not eat the cake" "just say no" etc. How does cake culture play out in societies that value conformity over individualism?
I'm not American. It intersects with my culture of being a human who has always, throughout history, shared food as social bonding.
May I ask, what you are then? Although many cultures have commonalities, there is no one 'human' culture.
Can you tell me of a human culture where sharing of food in times of celebration isn't a thing?
In China, the traditional food to celebrate a birthday are peaches and noodles, not cake.
But still food...........
Yes. Ok, I didn't want to go there but honestly, you are not using the term "culture" correctly. The definition of culture is the customs, practices and beliefs of a particular people or society. By definition, there can be no universal human "culture". So your point that all humans share food is merely pointing out a commonality between cultures. Sorry, but there it is.
Of course you didn't.
I don't expect you to understand. After all you are a layman so are not as sensitive to the misuse of technical terminology.
Something was niggling at me after reading this, and the search function helped my memory out a bit. My memory isn't as faulty as I sometimes think it is.
You've posted that you're retired from working for 20 years in the Air Force on space program stuff and also that you worked as a grants officer with unlimited authority with academia at some point.
I'm not sure where you are fitting in a claim to being an anthropologist now, or where the "cake culture" comes in either of these scenarios.
This person is obviously very young, that retort was very juvenile.
...and claiming to be a rocket man, then academic 'supervisor', then anthropologist confirms it...7 -
annaskiski wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »oh how I would love to write my psych dissertation on cake culture in the workplace....haha!
Why not? Another theme would be how it intersects with the individualism of American culture...hence the primary defence being along the lines of "it's your choice to eat or not eat the cake" "just say no" etc. How does cake culture play out in societies that value conformity over individualism?
I'm not American. It intersects with my culture of being a human who has always, throughout history, shared food as social bonding.
May I ask, what you are then? Although many cultures have commonalities, there is no one 'human' culture.
Can you tell me of a human culture where sharing of food in times of celebration isn't a thing?
In China, the traditional food to celebrate a birthday are peaches and noodles, not cake.
But still food...........
Yes. Ok, I didn't want to go there but honestly, you are not using the term "culture" correctly. The definition of culture is the customs, practices and beliefs of a particular people or society. By definition, there can be no universal human "culture". So your point that all humans share food is merely pointing out a commonality between cultures. Sorry, but there it is.
Of course you didn't.
I don't expect you to understand. After all you are a layman so are not as sensitive to the misuse of technical terminology.
Something was niggling at me after reading this, and the search function helped my memory out a bit. My memory isn't as faulty as I sometimes think it is.
You've posted that you're retired from working for 20 years in the Air Force on space program stuff and also that you worked as a grants officer with unlimited authority with academia at some point.
I'm not sure where you are fitting in a claim to being an anthropologist now, or where the "cake culture" comes in either of these scenarios.
This person is obviously very young, that retort was very juvenile.
...and claiming to be a rocket man, then academic 'supervisor', then anthropologist confirms it...
Well, something else was niggling at me about this poster in this whole discussion, and this came down to the claims of pretending to eat the cake and why she bothered going through that charade in the first place. I thought I remembered her saying she was allergic to the bleaching agents in flour.
The search function once again came to the rescue. She did indeed say that she has that issue.
I can't imagine not simply telling her coworkers that she had a food allergy rather than playing a silly game of pushing food around a plate.
That makes no sense at all. For example, I have celiac disease. I go to gatherings all the time and it's quite simple to tell people why I'm refusing food. I've never had a problem.21 -
Do you suppose she's the one who flagged all of the posts that called her on her bullshite??
As for the current argument, moon pies suck and cake is wonderful (unless it's carrot cake, and then it sucks
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cmriverside wrote: »
Roller grill food may be the term you've heard. Typically found at convenience stores and truck stops.
The food sits on the rollers which are heated and turn the food slowly to cook/keep it warm it.3 -
Packerjohn wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
Roller grill food may be the term you've heard. Typically found at convenience stores and truck stops.
The food sits on the rollers which are heated and turn the food slowly to cook/keep it warm it.
LOL! That picture is NASTY!1 -
I bet they have Moon Pies. Now I want a corn dog.
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VintageFeline wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »oh how I would love to write my psych dissertation on cake culture in the workplace....haha!
Why not? Another theme would be how it intersects with the individualism of American culture...hence the primary defence being along the lines of "it's your choice to eat or not eat the cake" "just say no" etc. How does cake culture play out in societies that value conformity over individualism?
I'm not American. It intersects with my culture of being a human who has always, throughout history, shared food as social bonding.
May I ask, what you are then? Although many cultures have commonalities, there is no one 'human' culture.
Can you tell me of a human culture where sharing of food in times of celebration isn't a thing?
In China, the traditional food to celebrate a birthday are peaches and noodles, not cake.
Hmmm My Chinese boyfriend and his family celebrates with cake. Never heard of this.10 -
Packerjohn wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »
Roller grill food may be the term you've heard. Typically found at convenience stores and truck stops.
The food sits on the rollers which are heated and turn the food slowly to cook/keep it warm it.
Yummy! Corn dog please5 -
I brought in Panera bagels for my team this morning. As they entered the conference room for our team meeting, I enthusiastically encouraged each of them to take a bagel.
I'm such a jerk.
Side note: Only 2 out of 11 accepted and the rest went to the kitchen to go for grabs. I was not offended by the 9 people who refused a bagel. I guess bagel culture is not as strong as cake culture.23 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »I brought in Panera bagels for my team this morning. As they entered the conference room for our team meeting, I enthusiastically encouraged each of them to take a bagel.
I'm such a jerk.
Side note: Only 2 out of 11 accepted and the rest went to the kitchen to go for grabs. I was not offended by the 9 people who refused a bagel. I guess bagel culture is not as strong as cake culture.
You should have fired them.3 -
annaskiski wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »I brought in Panera bagels for my team this morning. As they entered the conference room for our team meeting, I enthusiastically encouraged each of them to take a bagel.
I'm such a jerk.
Side note: Only 2 out of 11 accepted and the rest went to the kitchen to go for grabs. I was not offended by the 9 people who refused a bagel. I guess bagel culture is not as strong as cake culture.
You should have fired them.
Nah, I'll just shake them into submission.2 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »I brought in Panera bagels for my team this morning. As they entered the conference room for our team meeting, I enthusiastically encouraged each of them to take a bagel.
I'm such a jerk.
Side note: Only 2 out of 11 accepted and the rest went to the kitchen to go for grabs. I was not offended by the 9 people who refused a bagel. I guess bagel culture is not as strong as cake culture.
Bagel culture is strong in my office. Most of the time when food is brought in, it's bagels and coffee and it usually goes pretty quickly.
And I love bagels, so I usually make room for one.1 -
annaskiski wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »I brought in Panera bagels for my team this morning. As they entered the conference room for our team meeting, I enthusiastically encouraged each of them to take a bagel.
I'm such a jerk.
Side note: Only 2 out of 11 accepted and the rest went to the kitchen to go for grabs. I was not offended by the 9 people who refused a bagel. I guess bagel culture is not as strong as cake culture.
You should have fired them.
I was going to suggest throwing the bagels at them and yelling until they have been eaten.6
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