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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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Packerjohn wrote: »trinateegardens wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »It's unpopular to say that you exercise for calories, many often feel the goal would be superior if it's done for fitness. I exercise for calories and I don't mind not being superior. Fitness and enjoyment are just pleasant side effects.
Many would discourage eating when not hungry. I don't find anything wrong with that. If my calories are accounted for, you bet your boots I'm going to eat hedonically and enjoy every single bite without the least bit of guilt, and I don't consider it to be an unhealthy relationship with food. I think it's perfectly normal to eat for the sole purpose of enjoying food as long as it's not detrimental to the weight loss process as a whole.
Many people would consider going very low on calories after a high calorie day to be detrimental and something that could fuel a binge and restrict mentality. I'm not afraid of these tactics because I've never had an eating disorder and it's all calculated, planned, and relatively anxiety-free. I do it as a "naturally thin people mimicking" strategy not as a punishment. The way you mentally approach such a practice makes all the difference.
If a high protein diet is not sustainable I feel it's perfectly okay to eat as much protein as is reasonably manageable. I feel for some people "high protein" is the new "low carb" (which was the new "low fat"), that is, a rigid panic inducing requirement for weight loss with no middle ground. A person's goals don't need to be identical to everyone else's, so if slightly higher muscle loss (the difference is not even that large) is an acceptable tradeoff for someone, then so be it.
I don't believe that crash dieting is always bad. I'm very careful when I voice this opinion and I don't voice it often because it may be mistaken for promoting crash dieting for everyone, but there are cases where I believe it could be okay.
I don't think people "need" to lift any more than they "need" to run. It's perfectly okay to not enjoy lifting and you're not inferior if you don't.
Yes, I like using the treadmill. Sue me.
Thsnk you for the comment on lifting. Lots of lifters look down on those who dont lift. I do what i enjoy, lots of different things
You do realize that resistance exercise is recommended by the CDC for sustained good health? It's not just the domain of some bros who want to flex in too tight t-shirts.
https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity/basics/adults/index.htm
Weight lifting is not the only source of resistance training.2 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »trinateegardens wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »It's unpopular to say that you exercise for calories, many often feel the goal would be superior if it's done for fitness. I exercise for calories and I don't mind not being superior. Fitness and enjoyment are just pleasant side effects.
Many would discourage eating when not hungry. I don't find anything wrong with that. If my calories are accounted for, you bet your boots I'm going to eat hedonically and enjoy every single bite without the least bit of guilt, and I don't consider it to be an unhealthy relationship with food. I think it's perfectly normal to eat for the sole purpose of enjoying food as long as it's not detrimental to the weight loss process as a whole.
Many people would consider going very low on calories after a high calorie day to be detrimental and something that could fuel a binge and restrict mentality. I'm not afraid of these tactics because I've never had an eating disorder and it's all calculated, planned, and relatively anxiety-free. I do it as a "naturally thin people mimicking" strategy not as a punishment. The way you mentally approach such a practice makes all the difference.
If a high protein diet is not sustainable I feel it's perfectly okay to eat as much protein as is reasonably manageable. I feel for some people "high protein" is the new "low carb" (which was the new "low fat"), that is, a rigid panic inducing requirement for weight loss with no middle ground. A person's goals don't need to be identical to everyone else's, so if slightly higher muscle loss (the difference is not even that large) is an acceptable tradeoff for someone, then so be it.
I don't believe that crash dieting is always bad. I'm very careful when I voice this opinion and I don't voice it often because it may be mistaken for promoting crash dieting for everyone, but there are cases where I believe it could be okay.
I don't think people "need" to lift any more than they "need" to run. It's perfectly okay to not enjoy lifting and you're not inferior if you don't.
Yes, I like using the treadmill. Sue me.
Thsnk you for the comment on lifting. Lots of lifters look down on those who dont lift. I do what i enjoy, lots of different things
You do realize that resistance exercise is recommended by the CDC for sustained good health? It's not just the domain of some bros who want to flex in too tight t-shirts.
https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity/basics/adults/index.htm
Weight lifting is not the only source of resistance training.
I posted this as a reply to someone who said the same thing you are earlier.
Understand and agree. That is why I specifically said resistance training as opposed to "weight lifting". I would assume that is also why the CDC refers to it as muscle strengthening activity.
Resistance training is important for long term health and vitality. Most people don't get enough in their jobs/daily life.3 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »trinateegardens wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »It's unpopular to say that you exercise for calories, many often feel the goal would be superior if it's done for fitness. I exercise for calories and I don't mind not being superior. Fitness and enjoyment are just pleasant side effects.
Many would discourage eating when not hungry. I don't find anything wrong with that. If my calories are accounted for, you bet your boots I'm going to eat hedonically and enjoy every single bite without the least bit of guilt, and I don't consider it to be an unhealthy relationship with food. I think it's perfectly normal to eat for the sole purpose of enjoying food as long as it's not detrimental to the weight loss process as a whole.
Many people would consider going very low on calories after a high calorie day to be detrimental and something that could fuel a binge and restrict mentality. I'm not afraid of these tactics because I've never had an eating disorder and it's all calculated, planned, and relatively anxiety-free. I do it as a "naturally thin people mimicking" strategy not as a punishment. The way you mentally approach such a practice makes all the difference.
If a high protein diet is not sustainable I feel it's perfectly okay to eat as much protein as is reasonably manageable. I feel for some people "high protein" is the new "low carb" (which was the new "low fat"), that is, a rigid panic inducing requirement for weight loss with no middle ground. A person's goals don't need to be identical to everyone else's, so if slightly higher muscle loss (the difference is not even that large) is an acceptable tradeoff for someone, then so be it.
I don't believe that crash dieting is always bad. I'm very careful when I voice this opinion and I don't voice it often because it may be mistaken for promoting crash dieting for everyone, but there are cases where I believe it could be okay.
I don't think people "need" to lift any more than they "need" to run. It's perfectly okay to not enjoy lifting and you're not inferior if you don't.
Yes, I like using the treadmill. Sue me.
Thsnk you for the comment on lifting. Lots of lifters look down on those who dont lift. I do what i enjoy, lots of different things
You do realize that resistance exercise is recommended by the CDC for sustained good health? It's not just the domain of some bros who want to flex in too tight t-shirts.
https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity/basics/adults/index.htm
Weight lifting is not the only source of resistance training.
I posted this as a reply to someone who said the same thing you are earlier.
Understand and agree. That is why I specifically said resistance training as opposed to "weight lifting". I would assume that is also why the CDC refers to it as muscle strengthening activity.
Resistance training is important for long term health and vitality. Most people don't get enough in their jobs/daily life.
I agree, I think that you should put your body under a minimum amount of physical stress for a few hours per week. Stress on your cardiovascular system from elevating your heart rate for significant periods of time and stress on your muscular system from some sort of resistance training.
I am in my late 40s and I'm trying to maintain my physical resilience in general; it seems like this the period in many people's lives where they transition away from the more physical activities and move toward more passive ones, and will be sacrificing muscle and bone density as a result.3 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »trinateegardens wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »It's unpopular to say that you exercise for calories, many often feel the goal would be superior if it's done for fitness. I exercise for calories and I don't mind not being superior. Fitness and enjoyment are just pleasant side effects.
Many would discourage eating when not hungry. I don't find anything wrong with that. If my calories are accounted for, you bet your boots I'm going to eat hedonically and enjoy every single bite without the least bit of guilt, and I don't consider it to be an unhealthy relationship with food. I think it's perfectly normal to eat for the sole purpose of enjoying food as long as it's not detrimental to the weight loss process as a whole.
Many people would consider going very low on calories after a high calorie day to be detrimental and something that could fuel a binge and restrict mentality. I'm not afraid of these tactics because I've never had an eating disorder and it's all calculated, planned, and relatively anxiety-free. I do it as a "naturally thin people mimicking" strategy not as a punishment. The way you mentally approach such a practice makes all the difference.
If a high protein diet is not sustainable I feel it's perfectly okay to eat as much protein as is reasonably manageable. I feel for some people "high protein" is the new "low carb" (which was the new "low fat"), that is, a rigid panic inducing requirement for weight loss with no middle ground. A person's goals don't need to be identical to everyone else's, so if slightly higher muscle loss (the difference is not even that large) is an acceptable tradeoff for someone, then so be it.
I don't believe that crash dieting is always bad. I'm very careful when I voice this opinion and I don't voice it often because it may be mistaken for promoting crash dieting for everyone, but there are cases where I believe it could be okay.
I don't think people "need" to lift any more than they "need" to run. It's perfectly okay to not enjoy lifting and you're not inferior if you don't.
Yes, I like using the treadmill. Sue me.
Thsnk you for the comment on lifting. Lots of lifters look down on those who dont lift. I do what i enjoy, lots of different things
You do realize that resistance exercise is recommended by the CDC for sustained good health? It's not just the domain of some bros who want to flex in too tight t-shirts.
https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity/basics/adults/index.htm
Weight lifting is not the only source of resistance training.
I posted this as a reply to someone who said the same thing you are earlier.
Understand and agree. That is why I specifically said resistance training as opposed to "weight lifting". I would assume that is also why the CDC refers to it as muscle strengthening activity.
Resistance training is important for long term health and vitality. Most people don't get enough in their jobs/daily life.
I did see your reply to the other post after I'd posted mine. It seems odd to me you posted the CDC article as what appears to be an opposing view to someone saying they do a variety of things and that some lifters look down on those that don't lift if you agree that a variety of activities can provide the resistance needed.1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »On that note, if I visit Texas for food, I'm getting TexMex. For BBQ, I'm going to Alabama, Tennessee, KC or the Carolinas.
For North Carolina BBQ, eastern or western?
Though I'm veggie and no longer would consume, I lived in NC for a while, and hubby and I developed opinions about this.
...and Greensboro does their own spin on BBQ.
It's BBQ - all good.3 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »trinateegardens wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »It's unpopular to say that you exercise for calories, many often feel the goal would be superior if it's done for fitness. I exercise for calories and I don't mind not being superior. Fitness and enjoyment are just pleasant side effects.
Many would discourage eating when not hungry. I don't find anything wrong with that. If my calories are accounted for, you bet your boots I'm going to eat hedonically and enjoy every single bite without the least bit of guilt, and I don't consider it to be an unhealthy relationship with food. I think it's perfectly normal to eat for the sole purpose of enjoying food as long as it's not detrimental to the weight loss process as a whole.
Many people would consider going very low on calories after a high calorie day to be detrimental and something that could fuel a binge and restrict mentality. I'm not afraid of these tactics because I've never had an eating disorder and it's all calculated, planned, and relatively anxiety-free. I do it as a "naturally thin people mimicking" strategy not as a punishment. The way you mentally approach such a practice makes all the difference.
If a high protein diet is not sustainable I feel it's perfectly okay to eat as much protein as is reasonably manageable. I feel for some people "high protein" is the new "low carb" (which was the new "low fat"), that is, a rigid panic inducing requirement for weight loss with no middle ground. A person's goals don't need to be identical to everyone else's, so if slightly higher muscle loss (the difference is not even that large) is an acceptable tradeoff for someone, then so be it.
I don't believe that crash dieting is always bad. I'm very careful when I voice this opinion and I don't voice it often because it may be mistaken for promoting crash dieting for everyone, but there are cases where I believe it could be okay.
I don't think people "need" to lift any more than they "need" to run. It's perfectly okay to not enjoy lifting and you're not inferior if you don't.
Yes, I like using the treadmill. Sue me.
Thsnk you for the comment on lifting. Lots of lifters look down on those who dont lift. I do what i enjoy, lots of different things
You do realize that resistance exercise is recommended by the CDC for sustained good health? It's not just the domain of some bros who want to flex in too tight t-shirts.
https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity/basics/adults/index.htm
Weight lifting is not the only source of resistance training.
I posted this as a reply to someone who said the same thing you are earlier.
Understand and agree. That is why I specifically said resistance training as opposed to "weight lifting". I would assume that is also why the CDC refers to it as muscle strengthening activity.
Resistance training is important for long term health and vitality. Most people don't get enough in their jobs/daily life.
I did see your reply to the other post after I'd posted mine. It seems odd to me you posted the CDC article as what appears to be an opposing view to someone saying they do a variety of things and that some lifters look down on those that don't lift if you agree that a variety of activities can provide the resistance needed.
I took the comment that I originally responded to with the CDC guidelines, the poster saying "they did a variety of things" that they wasn't a fan of resistance movements (right or wrong on my part). Lifters that know what they are talking about are not going to be looking down on individuals who do progressive resistance work with something other than a barbell.2 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »On that note, if I visit Texas for food, I'm getting TexMex. For BBQ, I'm going to Alabama, Tennessee, KC or the Carolinas.
For North Carolina BBQ, eastern or western?
Though I'm veggie and no longer would consume, I lived in NC for a while, and hubby and I developed opinions about this.
...and Greensboro does their own spin on BBQ.
It's BBQ - all good.
ooooh, what is Greensboro BBQ like? I really like Carolina bbq, a very close second behind my beloved Texas hill country style.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »trinateegardens wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »It's unpopular to say that you exercise for calories, many often feel the goal would be superior if it's done for fitness. I exercise for calories and I don't mind not being superior. Fitness and enjoyment are just pleasant side effects.
Many would discourage eating when not hungry. I don't find anything wrong with that. If my calories are accounted for, you bet your boots I'm going to eat hedonically and enjoy every single bite without the least bit of guilt, and I don't consider it to be an unhealthy relationship with food. I think it's perfectly normal to eat for the sole purpose of enjoying food as long as it's not detrimental to the weight loss process as a whole.
Many people would consider going very low on calories after a high calorie day to be detrimental and something that could fuel a binge and restrict mentality. I'm not afraid of these tactics because I've never had an eating disorder and it's all calculated, planned, and relatively anxiety-free. I do it as a "naturally thin people mimicking" strategy not as a punishment. The way you mentally approach such a practice makes all the difference.
If a high protein diet is not sustainable I feel it's perfectly okay to eat as much protein as is reasonably manageable. I feel for some people "high protein" is the new "low carb" (which was the new "low fat"), that is, a rigid panic inducing requirement for weight loss with no middle ground. A person's goals don't need to be identical to everyone else's, so if slightly higher muscle loss (the difference is not even that large) is an acceptable tradeoff for someone, then so be it.
I don't believe that crash dieting is always bad. I'm very careful when I voice this opinion and I don't voice it often because it may be mistaken for promoting crash dieting for everyone, but there are cases where I believe it could be okay.
I don't think people "need" to lift any more than they "need" to run. It's perfectly okay to not enjoy lifting and you're not inferior if you don't.
Yes, I like using the treadmill. Sue me.
Thsnk you for the comment on lifting. Lots of lifters look down on those who dont lift. I do what i enjoy, lots of different things
You do realize that resistance exercise is recommended by the CDC for sustained good health? It's not just the domain of some bros who want to flex in too tight t-shirts.
https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity/basics/adults/index.htm
Weight lifting is not the only source of resistance training.
I posted this as a reply to someone who said the same thing you are earlier.
Understand and agree. That is why I specifically said resistance training as opposed to "weight lifting". I would assume that is also why the CDC refers to it as muscle strengthening activity.
Resistance training is important for long term health and vitality. Most people don't get enough in their jobs/daily life.
I did see your reply to the other post after I'd posted mine. It seems odd to me you posted the CDC article as what appears to be an opposing view to someone saying they do a variety of things and that some lifters look down on those that don't lift if you agree that a variety of activities can provide the resistance needed.
I took the comment that I originally responded to with the CDC guidelines, the poster saying "they did a variety of things" that they wasn't a fan of resistance movements (right or wrong on my part). Lifters that know what they are talking about are not going to be looking down on individuals who do progressive resistance work with something other than a barbell.
Agreed...I often tell people that resistance training is important but they don't need to lift heavy or even lift weights...and that includes hand weights as well...
Any form of resistance training is good...however people need to know what is resistance training and what isn't.0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »On that note, if I visit Texas for food, I'm getting TexMex. For BBQ, I'm going to Alabama, Tennessee, KC or the Carolinas.
For North Carolina BBQ, eastern or western?
Though I'm veggie and no longer would consume, I lived in NC for a while, and hubby and I developed opinions about this.
...and Greensboro does their own spin on BBQ.
It's BBQ - all good.
ooooh, what is Greensboro BBQ like? I really like Carolina bbq, a very close second behind my beloved Texas hill country style.
I love texas BBQ, and can't abide Carolina style. Pig brains boiled in vinegar... yuck.1 -
Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »On that note, if I visit Texas for food, I'm getting TexMex. For BBQ, I'm going to Alabama, Tennessee, KC or the Carolinas.
For North Carolina BBQ, eastern or western?
Though I'm veggie and no longer would consume, I lived in NC for a while, and hubby and I developed opinions about this.
...and Greensboro does their own spin on BBQ.
It's BBQ - all good.
ooooh, what is Greensboro BBQ like? I really like Carolina bbq, a very close second behind my beloved Texas hill country style.
Eastern is vinegar based and whole hog. Usually a very thin sauce.
Western (Lexington) uses a tomato base and focuses on hog shoulder.
Greensboro is it's own thing and closer to Texas pit style, focusing on the flavor in the meat over the flavor from the sauce. Sauces tend to be a combination between East & West NC, but much thinner and heavier on the peppers.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »trinateegardens wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »It's unpopular to say that you exercise for calories, many often feel the goal would be superior if it's done for fitness. I exercise for calories and I don't mind not being superior. Fitness and enjoyment are just pleasant side effects.
Many would discourage eating when not hungry. I don't find anything wrong with that. If my calories are accounted for, you bet your boots I'm going to eat hedonically and enjoy every single bite without the least bit of guilt, and I don't consider it to be an unhealthy relationship with food. I think it's perfectly normal to eat for the sole purpose of enjoying food as long as it's not detrimental to the weight loss process as a whole.
Many people would consider going very low on calories after a high calorie day to be detrimental and something that could fuel a binge and restrict mentality. I'm not afraid of these tactics because I've never had an eating disorder and it's all calculated, planned, and relatively anxiety-free. I do it as a "naturally thin people mimicking" strategy not as a punishment. The way you mentally approach such a practice makes all the difference.
If a high protein diet is not sustainable I feel it's perfectly okay to eat as much protein as is reasonably manageable. I feel for some people "high protein" is the new "low carb" (which was the new "low fat"), that is, a rigid panic inducing requirement for weight loss with no middle ground. A person's goals don't need to be identical to everyone else's, so if slightly higher muscle loss (the difference is not even that large) is an acceptable tradeoff for someone, then so be it.
I don't believe that crash dieting is always bad. I'm very careful when I voice this opinion and I don't voice it often because it may be mistaken for promoting crash dieting for everyone, but there are cases where I believe it could be okay.
I don't think people "need" to lift any more than they "need" to run. It's perfectly okay to not enjoy lifting and you're not inferior if you don't.
Yes, I like using the treadmill. Sue me.
Thsnk you for the comment on lifting. Lots of lifters look down on those who dont lift. I do what i enjoy, lots of different things
You do realize that resistance exercise is recommended by the CDC for sustained good health? It's not just the domain of some bros who want to flex in too tight t-shirts.
https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity/basics/adults/index.htm
Weight lifting is not the only source of resistance training.
I posted this as a reply to someone who said the same thing you are earlier.
Understand and agree. That is why I specifically said resistance training as opposed to "weight lifting". I would assume that is also why the CDC refers to it as muscle strengthening activity.
Resistance training is important for long term health and vitality. Most people don't get enough in their jobs/daily life.
I did see your reply to the other post after I'd posted mine. It seems odd to me you posted the CDC article as what appears to be an opposing view to someone saying they do a variety of things and that some lifters look down on those that don't lift if you agree that a variety of activities can provide the resistance needed.
My take on this after reading many posts from the truly experienced and knowledgeable lifters and fitness people is that they don't look down on other forms of resistance training.
I mostly see newbs who think they know everything to be the ones who have the "barbell-lift-heavy-or-GTFO" mentality.7 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »trinateegardens wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »It's unpopular to say that you exercise for calories, many often feel the goal would be superior if it's done for fitness. I exercise for calories and I don't mind not being superior. Fitness and enjoyment are just pleasant side effects.
Many would discourage eating when not hungry. I don't find anything wrong with that. If my calories are accounted for, you bet your boots I'm going to eat hedonically and enjoy every single bite without the least bit of guilt, and I don't consider it to be an unhealthy relationship with food. I think it's perfectly normal to eat for the sole purpose of enjoying food as long as it's not detrimental to the weight loss process as a whole.
Many people would consider going very low on calories after a high calorie day to be detrimental and something that could fuel a binge and restrict mentality. I'm not afraid of these tactics because I've never had an eating disorder and it's all calculated, planned, and relatively anxiety-free. I do it as a "naturally thin people mimicking" strategy not as a punishment. The way you mentally approach such a practice makes all the difference.
If a high protein diet is not sustainable I feel it's perfectly okay to eat as much protein as is reasonably manageable. I feel for some people "high protein" is the new "low carb" (which was the new "low fat"), that is, a rigid panic inducing requirement for weight loss with no middle ground. A person's goals don't need to be identical to everyone else's, so if slightly higher muscle loss (the difference is not even that large) is an acceptable tradeoff for someone, then so be it.
I don't believe that crash dieting is always bad. I'm very careful when I voice this opinion and I don't voice it often because it may be mistaken for promoting crash dieting for everyone, but there are cases where I believe it could be okay.
I don't think people "need" to lift any more than they "need" to run. It's perfectly okay to not enjoy lifting and you're not inferior if you don't.
Yes, I like using the treadmill. Sue me.
Thsnk you for the comment on lifting. Lots of lifters look down on those who dont lift. I do what i enjoy, lots of different things
You do realize that resistance exercise is recommended by the CDC for sustained good health? It's not just the domain of some bros who want to flex in too tight t-shirts.
https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity/basics/adults/index.htm
Weight lifting is not the only source of resistance training.
I posted this as a reply to someone who said the same thing you are earlier.
Understand and agree. That is why I specifically said resistance training as opposed to "weight lifting". I would assume that is also why the CDC refers to it as muscle strengthening activity.
Resistance training is important for long term health and vitality. Most people don't get enough in their jobs/daily life.
I did see your reply to the other post after I'd posted mine. It seems odd to me you posted the CDC article as what appears to be an opposing view to someone saying they do a variety of things and that some lifters look down on those that don't lift if you agree that a variety of activities can provide the resistance needed.
My take on this after reading many posts from the truly experienced and knowledgeable lifters and fitness people is that they don't look down on other forms of resistance training.
I mostly see newbs who think they know everything to be the ones who have the "barbell-lift-heavy-or-GTFO" mentality.
I hate this mentality, it is like someone saying "I'd like to start running" and telling them they should "get out there and run a really long distance as fast as possible", it is completely useless advice and a sure way to just discourage someone and intimidate them from trying something new.1 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »trinateegardens wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »It's unpopular to say that you exercise for calories, many often feel the goal would be superior if it's done for fitness. I exercise for calories and I don't mind not being superior. Fitness and enjoyment are just pleasant side effects.
Many would discourage eating when not hungry. I don't find anything wrong with that. If my calories are accounted for, you bet your boots I'm going to eat hedonically and enjoy every single bite without the least bit of guilt, and I don't consider it to be an unhealthy relationship with food. I think it's perfectly normal to eat for the sole purpose of enjoying food as long as it's not detrimental to the weight loss process as a whole.
Many people would consider going very low on calories after a high calorie day to be detrimental and something that could fuel a binge and restrict mentality. I'm not afraid of these tactics because I've never had an eating disorder and it's all calculated, planned, and relatively anxiety-free. I do it as a "naturally thin people mimicking" strategy not as a punishment. The way you mentally approach such a practice makes all the difference.
If a high protein diet is not sustainable I feel it's perfectly okay to eat as much protein as is reasonably manageable. I feel for some people "high protein" is the new "low carb" (which was the new "low fat"), that is, a rigid panic inducing requirement for weight loss with no middle ground. A person's goals don't need to be identical to everyone else's, so if slightly higher muscle loss (the difference is not even that large) is an acceptable tradeoff for someone, then so be it.
I don't believe that crash dieting is always bad. I'm very careful when I voice this opinion and I don't voice it often because it may be mistaken for promoting crash dieting for everyone, but there are cases where I believe it could be okay.
I don't think people "need" to lift any more than they "need" to run. It's perfectly okay to not enjoy lifting and you're not inferior if you don't.
Yes, I like using the treadmill. Sue me.
Thsnk you for the comment on lifting. Lots of lifters look down on those who dont lift. I do what i enjoy, lots of different things
You do realize that resistance exercise is recommended by the CDC for sustained good health? It's not just the domain of some bros who want to flex in too tight t-shirts.
https://www.cdc.gov/physicalactivity/basics/adults/index.htm
Weight lifting is not the only source of resistance training.
I posted this as a reply to someone who said the same thing you are earlier.
Understand and agree. That is why I specifically said resistance training as opposed to "weight lifting". I would assume that is also why the CDC refers to it as muscle strengthening activity.
Resistance training is important for long term health and vitality. Most people don't get enough in their jobs/daily life.
I did see your reply to the other post after I'd posted mine. It seems odd to me you posted the CDC article as what appears to be an opposing view to someone saying they do a variety of things and that some lifters look down on those that don't lift if you agree that a variety of activities can provide the resistance needed.
I took the comment that I originally responded to with the CDC guidelines, the poster saying "they did a variety of things" that they wasn't a fan of resistance movements (right or wrong on my part). Lifters that know what they are talking about are not going to be looking down on individuals who do progressive resistance work with something other than a barbell.
Got it. You may be right. They didn't really say what the variety of things included.0 -
Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
Hill climbing would involve resistance. I can't imagine any other way to get up the hill.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
Hill climbing would involve resistance. I can't imagine any other way to get up the hill.
Thanks, that's what I thought too
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
Hill climbing would involve resistance. I can't imagine any other way to get up the hill.
I have read that biking does not build bone density and that is the point of weight/resistance training and that some studies show that depending on how much you bike you could be reducing bone density.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
Hill climbing would involve resistance. I can't imagine any other way to get up the hill.
I have read that biking does not build bone density and that is the point of weight/resistance training and that some studies show that depending on how much you bike you could be reducing bone density.
Agree - depends on volume of riding, years riding age, type of riding etc etc.
An elite long distance road rider with very low body mass with years of riding under their belt is going to have a very different issue compared to a recreational mountain biker or sprinter for example.
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/why-cycling-is-bad-for-bone-density-and-how-you-can-improve-it/
Bone health, especially for ladies, is important. When my wife was a Radiographer she used to describe the first frost of winter as "Colles fracture weather".1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
Hill climbing would involve resistance. I can't imagine any other way to get up the hill.
I have read that biking does not build bone density and that is the point of weight/resistance training and that some studies show that depending on how much you bike you could be reducing bone density.
Agree - depends on volume of riding, years riding age, type of riding etc etc.
An elite long distance road rider with very low body mass with years of riding under their belt is going to have a very different issue compared to a recreational mountain biker or sprinter for example.
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/why-cycling-is-bad-for-bone-density-and-how-you-can-improve-it/
Bone health, especially for ladies, is important. When my wife was a Radiographer she used to describe the first frost of winter as "Colles fracture weather".
It is odd the things that affect bone. I attended a seminar on osteoporosis once and they said that walking up stairs does little for bone health but walking down stairs does. They also said the very best thing for bone health is jumping.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
Hill climbing would involve resistance. I can't imagine any other way to get up the hill.
I have read that biking does not build bone density and that is the point of weight/resistance training and that some studies show that depending on how much you bike you could be reducing bone density.
Agree - depends on volume of riding, years riding age, type of riding etc etc.
An elite long distance road rider with very low body mass with years of riding under their belt is going to have a very different issue compared to a recreational mountain biker or sprinter for example.
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/why-cycling-is-bad-for-bone-density-and-how-you-can-improve-it/
Bone health, especially for ladies, is important. When my wife was a Radiographer she used to describe the first frost of winter as "Colles fracture weather".
It is odd the things that affect bone. I attended a seminar on osteoporosis once and they said that walking up stairs does little for bone health but walking down stairs does. They also said the very best thing for bone health is jumping.
Maybe all the pot holes all over the roads I'm cycling on are beneficial after all. I'll start aiming for them instead of avoiding them.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
Hill climbing would involve resistance. I can't imagine any other way to get up the hill.
I have read that biking does not build bone density and that is the point of weight/resistance training and that some studies show that depending on how much you bike you could be reducing bone density.
Agree - depends on volume of riding, years riding age, type of riding etc etc.
An elite long distance road rider with very low body mass with years of riding under their belt is going to have a very different issue compared to a recreational mountain biker or sprinter for example.
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/why-cycling-is-bad-for-bone-density-and-how-you-can-improve-it/
Bone health, especially for ladies, is important. When my wife was a Radiographer she used to describe the first frost of winter as "Colles fracture weather".
It is odd the things that affect bone. I attended a seminar on osteoporosis once and they said that walking up stairs does little for bone health but walking down stairs does. They also said the very best thing for bone health is jumping.
I'd suggest the walking downstairs puts more load on the bone than walking up. Biking would be a lower impact exercise and in theory not the best for dealing with osteoporosis assuming not at high risk for breaking a bone.
From this article: https://www.nof.org/patients/fracturesfall-prevention/exercisesafe-movement/osteoporosis-exercise-for-strong-bones/
There are two types of osteoporosis exercises that are important for building and maintaining bone density: weight-bearing and muscle-strengthening exercises.
Weight-bearing Exercises
These exercises include activities that make you move against gravity while staying upright. Weight-bearing exercises can be high-impact or low-impact.
High-impact weight-bearing exercises help build bones and keep them strong. If you have broken a bone due to osteoporosis or are at risk of breaking a bone, you may need to avoid high-impact exercises. If you’re not sure, you should check with your healthcare provider.
Examples of high-impact weight-bearing exercises are:
Dancing
Doing high-impact aerobics
Hiking
Jogging/running
Jumping Rope
Stair climbing
Tennis
Low-impact weight-bearing exercises can also help keep bones strong and are a safe alternative if you cannot do high-impact exercises. Examples of low-impact weight-bearing exercises are:
Using elliptical training machines
Doing low-impact aerobics
Using stair-step machines
Fast walking on a treadmill or outside
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
Hill climbing would involve resistance. I can't imagine any other way to get up the hill.
I have read that biking does not build bone density and that is the point of weight/resistance training and that some studies show that depending on how much you bike you could be reducing bone density.
Agree - depends on volume of riding, years riding age, type of riding etc etc.
An elite long distance road rider with very low body mass with years of riding under their belt is going to have a very different issue compared to a recreational mountain biker or sprinter for example.
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/why-cycling-is-bad-for-bone-density-and-how-you-can-improve-it/
Bone health, especially for ladies, is important. When my wife was a Radiographer she used to describe the first frost of winter as "Colles fracture weather".
It is odd the things that affect bone. I attended a seminar on osteoporosis once and they said that walking up stairs does little for bone health but walking down stairs does. They also said the very best thing for bone health is jumping.
see this makes sense to me though. Walking up stairs has little impact on the bone, it's a muscular activity. But walking down stairs is repeatedly stressing your bone, but not using much muscle.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
Hill climbing would involve resistance. I can't imagine any other way to get up the hill.
I have read that biking does not build bone density and that is the point of weight/resistance training and that some studies show that depending on how much you bike you could be reducing bone density.
Agree - depends on volume of riding, years riding age, type of riding etc etc.
An elite long distance road rider with very low body mass with years of riding under their belt is going to have a very different issue compared to a recreational mountain biker or sprinter for example.
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/why-cycling-is-bad-for-bone-density-and-how-you-can-improve-it/
Bone health, especially for ladies, is important. When my wife was a Radiographer she used to describe the first frost of winter as "Colles fracture weather".
It is odd the things that affect bone. I attended a seminar on osteoporosis once and they said that walking up stairs does little for bone health but walking down stairs does. They also said the very best thing for bone health is jumping.
see this makes sense to me though. Walking up stairs has little impact on the bone, it's a muscular activity. But walking down stairs is repeatedly stressing your bone, but not using much muscle.
Yep, that's pretty much what they said. Best to walk up and down.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
Hill climbing would involve resistance. I can't imagine any other way to get up the hill.
I have read that biking does not build bone density and that is the point of weight/resistance training and that some studies show that depending on how much you bike you could be reducing bone density.
Agree - depends on volume of riding, years riding age, type of riding etc etc.
An elite long distance road rider with very low body mass with years of riding under their belt is going to have a very different issue compared to a recreational mountain biker or sprinter for example.
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/why-cycling-is-bad-for-bone-density-and-how-you-can-improve-it/
Bone health, especially for ladies, is important. When my wife was a Radiographer she used to describe the first frost of winter as "Colles fracture weather".
It is odd the things that affect bone. I attended a seminar on osteoporosis once and they said that walking up stairs does little for bone health but walking down stairs does. They also said the very best thing for bone health is jumping.
In that case, running would be brilliant for bones. You're essentially jumping from leg to leg with impact.0 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
Hill climbing would involve resistance. I can't imagine any other way to get up the hill.
I have read that biking does not build bone density and that is the point of weight/resistance training and that some studies show that depending on how much you bike you could be reducing bone density.
Agree - depends on volume of riding, years riding age, type of riding etc etc.
An elite long distance road rider with very low body mass with years of riding under their belt is going to have a very different issue compared to a recreational mountain biker or sprinter for example.
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/why-cycling-is-bad-for-bone-density-and-how-you-can-improve-it/
Bone health, especially for ladies, is important. When my wife was a Radiographer she used to describe the first frost of winter as "Colles fracture weather".
It is odd the things that affect bone. I attended a seminar on osteoporosis once and they said that walking up stairs does little for bone health but walking down stairs does. They also said the very best thing for bone health is jumping.
In that case, running would be brilliant for bones. You're essentially jumping from leg to leg with impact.
Yes. Well, good for bone density.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
Hill climbing would involve resistance. I can't imagine any other way to get up the hill.
I have read that biking does not build bone density and that is the point of weight/resistance training and that some studies show that depending on how much you bike you could be reducing bone density.
Agree - depends on volume of riding, years riding age, type of riding etc etc.
An elite long distance road rider with very low body mass with years of riding under their belt is going to have a very different issue compared to a recreational mountain biker or sprinter for example.
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/why-cycling-is-bad-for-bone-density-and-how-you-can-improve-it/
Bone health, especially for ladies, is important. When my wife was a Radiographer she used to describe the first frost of winter as "Colles fracture weather".
It is odd the things that affect bone. I attended a seminar on osteoporosis once and they said that walking up stairs does little for bone health but walking down stairs does. They also said the very best thing for bone health is jumping.
see this makes sense to me though. Walking up stairs has little impact on the bone, it's a muscular activity. But walking down stairs is repeatedly stressing your bone, but not using much muscle.
I'm not so sure about going down not being a "muscular activity".... ask anybody after a very hard leg day which is easier. 1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Question about resistance training since we're on the topic. I know cycling isn't considered resistance training in general, but what about hill-climbing? I'm asking because I have technically have osteoporosis, but when I took a spill last year and fell sideways smack onto the pavement still clipped in, while I had deep bruises on my hip from the impact I didn't break anything.
Since I wasn't doing any other weigh-bearing exercise at the time I've wondered if training on hills had anything to do with not breaking my hip?
Hill climbing would involve resistance. I can't imagine any other way to get up the hill.
I have read that biking does not build bone density and that is the point of weight/resistance training and that some studies show that depending on how much you bike you could be reducing bone density.
Agree - depends on volume of riding, years riding age, type of riding etc etc.
An elite long distance road rider with very low body mass with years of riding under their belt is going to have a very different issue compared to a recreational mountain biker or sprinter for example.
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/why-cycling-is-bad-for-bone-density-and-how-you-can-improve-it/
Bone health, especially for ladies, is important. When my wife was a Radiographer she used to describe the first frost of winter as "Colles fracture weather".
It is odd the things that affect bone. I attended a seminar on osteoporosis once and they said that walking up stairs does little for bone health but walking down stairs does. They also said the very best thing for bone health is jumping.
I remember when I was in college the first time (two decades ago
) a teacher talked about a study someone had done where women with osteoporosis were put into two groups. One group just did their regular stuff, and the other group spent a short amount of time (20-30 minutes?) jumping off a box. It was only 4-6" off the ground, IIRC. The second group had significantly more bone density at the end of the study.
I'd prefer fun exercises to jumping off a box, but any sort of load bearing impact exercise would work, I guess.0 -
Weight loss is easy. There's no "trick". Any diet based on CICO works.
Most people eat way too many carbs and not enough fat.
Exercise should be easy and enjoyable.6
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