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Flu shots? For them or against ?
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I got mine - had a small lupus flare in response to it, which is not uncommon for people with lupus - it sounds bad until you realize that having full-fledged flu would almost certainly have caused a severe lupus flare. Since a flare for me typically means circulatory system inflammation, vasculitis, and heart problems severe enough to make me bedridden for days, the little flare I had - headaches and vasculitis spots on my feet for a few days - is definitely a bargain. Here's hoping that our vaccine this year is a better match in the Northern Hemisphere than it has been in Australia, they had a terrible flu season this year.2
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For. Every doctor I know says get it. I didn't one year and was out of work sick for a whole week. Never missed it after that.1
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On the point about egg intolerance/ allergies - it is true that glue vaccine is cultivated in egg culture.
However the amount in the vaccine is absolutely minimal.
Unless you have an anaphylactic reaction to the tiniest contact with egg particles - extremely rare in adults - then you can safely have flu vaccine.
People who get a rash or get nausea, bloating etc from eating eggs are sometimes avoiding flu vaccine completely unneccesarily.0 -
https://medsask.usask.ca/documents/newsletters/33.4%20annual_flu_immunization.pdf
".....Dr. Skowronski’s group reported that study participants who received the 2014–2015
vaccine without vaccination the year before had significant protection against influenza A(H3N2) but those who
had received the identical 2013-2014 vaccine the previous year had no increased protection and those who were
vaccinated three years in a row actually had an increased risk of contracting influenza compared with unvaccinated
participants......
This is not the first study to find an association between previous vaccination and reduced vaccine effectiveness......"
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TeacupsAndToning wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://medsask.usask.ca/documents/newsletters/33.4%20annual_flu_immunization.pdf
".....Dr. Skowronski’s group reported that study participants who received the 2014–2015
vaccine without vaccination the year before had significant protection against influenza A(H3N2) but those who
had received the identical 2013-2014 vaccine the previous year had no increased protection and those who were
vaccinated three years in a row actually had an increased risk of contracting influenza compared with unvaccinated
participants......
This is not the first study to find an association between previous vaccination and reduced vaccine effectiveness......"
Gale,
Literally about two sentences down from where you left off the opening paragraph says this "... According to expert reviewers from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC's) Influenza Vaccine Effectiveness Network and the Group Health Research Institute in Seattle, the research in this study was well done (3); however the study was observational in nature, therefore the role of chance, bias and confounding in the results cannot be ruled out (2)."
It's improper to only state the "facts" that support your opinion.
Then I take it you are not a lawyer?
As you well know I posted the link so everyone has the full story that points out the science behind the downside of getting flu shots if one is interested in looking at both sides of the same coin.5 -
LOL autocorrect glue vaccine. I wonder what Siri must think of human viruses?0
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I wonder, as this thread is still rambling on on this particular website... what would the effect on public health be if all the effort expended on increasing flu vaccine uptake was put into preventing obesity?2
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I get the shot every year. When my now 18 year old daughter was 3 we got the flu at the same time. I’ve never been so sick. We were in bed for nearly 2 weeks and I dropped 15 pounds. It was awful- i do think my immunity is up because of that illness but I’ll try to avoid ever having the flu again1
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quiksylver296 wrote: »I make my kid get one, because I don't want to deal with him puking all over the place (mother-of-the-year material, I am). I get one because I hate puking. Hubby never gets one.
The flu shot doesn’t prevent the stomach flu/rotavirus.3 -
Rosemary7391 wrote: »I wonder, as this thread is still rambling on on this particular website... what would the effect on public health be if all the effort expended on increasing flu vaccine uptake was put into preventing obesity?
Totally unrelated. Would lowered obesity rates prevent flu deaths?
I’m anti death in all the ways it stalks us.1 -
Rosemary7391 wrote: »I wonder, as this thread is still rambling on on this particular website... what would the effect on public health be if all the effort expended on increasing flu vaccine uptake was put into preventing obesity?
Totally unrelated. Would lowered obesity rates prevent flu deaths?
I’m anti death in all the ways it stalks us.
There's only ever a limited budget for these sort of things. Would we prevent more deaths (all causes) by focussing on flu or obesity? Or a combination thereof? Just a thought. Someone upthread said something like if it prevents just 1 death then it's worth it. But if you could prevent more deaths by doing something else with the time/money/effort? Death from flu is not the only measure I care about...1 -
The cost benefit for vaccine programs are undisputed.0
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There’s the clogging up of emergency rooms, lengthy hospitalizations, and lost work. I can think up three examples right away.
- The UK had a season where less of the population got the jab than the rest of the EU. Let’s just say it was an expensive year.
- There’s a Toronto study where the cost benefit was worked out.
- And here in my home province a study was done after the fact for two nursing homes where one was mostly immunized and the other not. A major impact was on the staffing of the non immunized home. At times the staffing was so short that nurses had to come in if they could at least stand up. My doctor-sister witnessed patients helping their nurse walk the hallway.2 -
When you opt to be part of an organized society, a civilization, I feel you have a certain responsibility to help support that society and do what you can to add to it rather than draw from it as a net. As such I see certain things as being civic responsibilities for any adult. One of those is getting vaccinated. Preventative care is one of the best investments you can make into any society that ends up on some level having to deal with the ill be it in the form of loss of revenue/productivity or medical expenses. I don't particularly enjoy shots, I don't really like taking time out of my day to go get a shot, I don't necessarily think chances are high I will get the flu and I recognize that a flu shot is not 100% protection....I just view it as a civic duty to be part of the solution to pandemic rather than part of the problem. Similarly I feel avoiding morbid obesity or any other unnecessary self-inflicted condition that has a negative effect on ones health outcomes is part of that civic responsibility. If you are morbidly obese or you avoid vaccinations there is a certain selfishness or lack of consideration to that and I don't feel ignorance is much of an excuse there.
Society is built to provide a safety net for those who are in dire circumstances beyond their control. If you are an adult you should be holding that net, not laying in it expecting others to pick up the slack for you.14 -
LOL autocorrect glue vaccine. I wonder what Siri must think of human viruses?LOL autocorrect glue vaccine. I wonder what Siri must think of human viruses?
hahaha, didnt notice I wrote glue vaccine
I am world's worst typist - I remember I once wrote on this forum that we are all getting less excercise because we have cats.
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paperpudding wrote: »LOL autocorrect glue vaccine. I wonder what Siri must think of human viruses?LOL autocorrect glue vaccine. I wonder what Siri must think of human viruses?
hahaha, didnt notice I wrote glue vaccine
I am world's worst typist - I remember I once wrote on this forum that we are all getting less excercise because we have cats.
That's a fair statement. I've almost suffered a burst bladder from not wanting to disturb a happy lap kitty.10 -
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GaleHawkins wrote: »TeacupsAndToning wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://medsask.usask.ca/documents/newsletters/33.4%20annual_flu_immunization.pdf
".....Dr. Skowronski’s group reported that study participants who received the 2014–2015
vaccine without vaccination the year before had significant protection against influenza A(H3N2) but those who
had received the identical 2013-2014 vaccine the previous year had no increased protection and those who were
vaccinated three years in a row actually had an increased risk of contracting influenza compared with unvaccinated
participants......
This is not the first study to find an association between previous vaccination and reduced vaccine effectiveness......"
Gale,
Literally about two sentences down from where you left off the opening paragraph says this "... According to expert reviewers from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC's) Influenza Vaccine Effectiveness Network and the Group Health Research Institute in Seattle, the research in this study was well done (3); however the study was observational in nature, therefore the role of chance, bias and confounding in the results cannot be ruled out (2)."
It's improper to only state the "facts" that support your opinion.
...I take ... the ... shots ... at both sides...
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/40800422/#Comment_40800422
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jordanchamzuk wrote: »Wanna see what other people think about this topic.
I for one am very neutral on it. Working in Healthcare I see if fit. However I also see negative effects of it.
What's your thoughts?
I'm for, but not for me. I don't get sick, really at all, so I don't unless forced (Vet/USN medical)...BUT if you are predisposed to ailments, allergies or otherwise immune suppressed: YES (& I have lived all over the world/ multiple climates; native Great Laker) I understand the push for all, but we still don't understand the viruses quite that well. I leave my nasal shot for the person who needs it more. It's the only time I "get sick", so take it!6 -
Rosemary7391 wrote: »I wonder, as this thread is still rambling on on this particular website... what would the effect on public health be if all the effort expended on increasing flu vaccine uptake was put into preventing obesity?
What would it mean to focus that effort (which I think means money) on preventing obesity?
People become obese when they eat too many calories for a prolonged period. Everybody knows eating less and moving more is there way to prevent obesity. But most people don't want to do that. There isn't a shot to prevent obesity like there is with the flu. Are we going to put signs up saying "don't get fat?" Obesity has been going on for a while and we've been trying to stem it but not a lot of luck so far, what is it about not having flu shots that would suddenly make obesity prevention a success?0
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