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Why are most mfp users against holistic nutrition?
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stanmann571 wrote: »Just like Chiro is great for shoulder/back/neck pain/disfunction, less good for digestive issues.
Do not let a chiropractor manipulate your neck.
Too many people have died from stroke after that.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-statement-on-cervical-manipulation-and-dissections/
http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/early/2014/08/07/STR.00000000000000161 -
finny11122 wrote: »Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
"It worked for me" is NOT scientific evidence.
If it was, tinfoil hats would be covered by insurance companies.5 -
Sure, but what's your suggestion? Parent Licences? Neuter people under a certain IQ? Ultimately, there are no laws against being an airhead nutjob. And even if you or I think someone is making bad decisions, the right to religious freedom is enshrined in many democratic countries constitutions.
“The problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!”
- Professor Brian Cox.12 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Just like Chiro is great for shoulder/back/neck pain/disfunction, less good for digestive issues.
Do not let a chiropractor manipulate your neck.
Too many people have died from stroke after that.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-statement-on-cervical-manipulation-and-dissections/
http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/early/2014/08/07/STR.0000000000000016
A chiropractor manipulating my neck is the only think that's fixing a 6 month stint of extreme debilitating vertigo, caused by a bilateral atlas subluxation from a crush injury. No other thing has been able to assist. Thing is, I have a bloody good chiro who I trust implicitly. There's just so many sub-par crap practitioners now though.0 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Just like Chiro is great for shoulder/back/neck pain/disfunction, less good for digestive issues.
Do not let a chiropractor manipulate your neck.
Too many people have died from stroke after that.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-statement-on-cervical-manipulation-and-dissections/
http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/early/2014/08/07/STR.0000000000000016
A chiropractor manipulating my neck is the only think that's fixing a 6 month stint of extreme debilitating vertigo, caused by a bilateral atlas subluxation from a crush injury. No other thing has been able to assist. Thing is, I have a bloody good chiro who I trust implicitly. There's just so many sub-par crap practitioners now though.
So you have to keep going to the chiropractor? How is that fixing it? Could be it's getting better on its own.
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Alatariel75 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Just like Chiro is great for shoulder/back/neck pain/disfunction, less good for digestive issues.
Do not let a chiropractor manipulate your neck.
Too many people have died from stroke after that.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-statement-on-cervical-manipulation-and-dissections/
http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/early/2014/08/07/STR.0000000000000016
A chiropractor manipulating my neck is the only think that's fixing a 6 month stint of extreme debilitating vertigo, caused by a bilateral atlas subluxation from a crush injury. No other thing has been able to assist. Thing is, I have a bloody good chiro who I trust implicitly. There's just so many sub-par crap practitioners now though.
So you have to keep going to the chiropractor? How is that fixing it? Could be it's getting better on its own.
I promise you, it is not. Because it has been so wrong for so long, it's requiring a few treatments because of muscle stiffness and it resettling into the position it's been in for so long. After 6 months, and the most recent month almost incapacitated, it got immediate relief after the first visit. I've had 2 visits with the chiro and a follow up tomorrow. 2 weeks to fix a problem that has baffled 2 neuros, an ENT surgeon and my GP for 6 months.1 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Just like Chiro is great for shoulder/back/neck pain/disfunction, less good for digestive issues.
Do not let a chiropractor manipulate your neck.
Too many people have died from stroke after that.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-statement-on-cervical-manipulation-and-dissections/
http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/early/2014/08/07/STR.0000000000000016
A chiropractor manipulating my neck is the only think that's fixing a 6 month stint of extreme debilitating vertigo, caused by a bilateral atlas subluxation from a crush injury. No other thing has been able to assist. Thing is, I have a bloody good chiro who I trust implicitly. There's just so many sub-par crap practitioners now though.
So you have to keep going to the chiropractor? How is that fixing it? Could be it's getting better on its own.
I promise you, it is not. Because it has been so wrong for so long, it's requiring a few treatments because of muscle stiffness and it resettling into the position it's been in for so long. After 6 months, and the most recent month almost incapacitated, it got immediate relief after the first visit. I've had 2 visits with the chiro and a follow up tomorrow. 2 weeks to fix a problem that has baffled 2 neuros, an ENT surgeon and my GP for 6 months.
I'm just saying that neck manipulation is fairly well attributed to causing strokes.3 -
My friend took a holistic course and some of the stuff he was telling me is just utter nonsense, with no evidence or studies to back it up. Im a chemistry major, and any diet fads or stuff like that I ask my teachers about.
Best thing I can say is if your having doubts, do your own research. There is lots of info on the internet, just make sure its peer reviewed. Just because someone is teaching a course and/or has a degree or certificate means they are correct.
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That is for all sciences. See if there is any insight to it. Just because it was studied does not mean a good one. With nutrition I find Western science believes if they did not find or prove it then it is not true. Well, not necessarily true either. You may have just not found it yet or it really not be a reality. Allopathic medicine can be arrogant and greedy. I also find sadly...who will benefit from the research. Some issues I wonder are based on who can make money in the future.16
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Some people speak in support of "Allopathic" medicine and against "Western" medicine.
Haven't they stopped to think how racist that sounds? Primitivism is not a good look.
Non-Westerners are conventional doctors, surgeons, scientists and specialists like anybody else.
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Some people speak in support of "Allopathic" medicine and against "Western" medicine.
Haven't they stopped to think how racist that sounds? Primitivism is not a good look.
Non-Westerners are conventional doctors, surgeons, scientists and specialists like anybody else.
The talk of "Western" medicine as somehow the more modern and progressive is especially ironic when you think that doctors in Muslim countries were revolutionising surgery at a time when the "Westerners" were burning doctors at the stake.8 -
goldthistime wrote: »Not sure if I've told this story before on here, but last year a friend who had cancer got advice from someone who persuaded her to follow a juice diet. Her tumour had shrunk in half after starting a new chemo treatment and this new diet, and she didn't want to take the chance that it was the diet rather than the chemo, so carried on with this juice diet. She was advised to add a little avocado for fat and nuts for protein and was about to start having bone broth soup for "added protein" when she died. She starved to death. The whole thing was horrendous to watch and is painful to think about still. It left me with a very bad attitude towards holistic medicine.
OP I don't know if you're still reading this thread or if you've had to protect your investment in your education by ignoring the majority of posts, but I hope you find a different career path.
My mother also starved to death after having cancer 7 years. She was in the hospital under her personal Doctor/close friend's care. She couldn't eat enough/her body could no longer process food efficiently enough.
My brother couldn't eat because of throat cancer, was fed through a tube in his stomach. Couldn't process it.
It happens with cancer. Whatever you try to eat.
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garlic7girl wrote: »That is for all sciences. See if there is any insight to it. Just because it was studied does not mean a good one. With nutrition I find Western science believes if they did not find or prove it then it is not true. Well, not necessarily true either. You may have just not found it yet or it really not be a reality. Allopathic medicine can be arrogant and greedy. I also find sadly...who will benefit from the research. Some issues I wonder are based on who can make money in the future.
So you don't think naturopaths/"alternative medicine" doctors make money?
And the thing that makes them even more deplorable than "Big Pharma" is that they're peddling bogus snake oils which have no scientific proof of even being effective - and have killed many people who may have been saved had they shunned the woo and used "conventional" "western" "Big Pharma" medicine.11 -
I was doing some reading this morning on post operative wounds, in the main how to keep infection at bay.
I came across an article that said they had had a rise in re admissions due to burns from people using Korean Pulsatilla on advice from naturopaths. They were massaging it in to their wounds.
Think I'll stick to keeping it clean and dry!6 -
BritishSpy007 wrote: »Difficult to *kitten* to this...
Amateur.2 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »goldthistime wrote: »Not sure if I've told this story before on here, but last year a friend who had cancer got advice from someone who persuaded her to follow a juice diet. Her tumour had shrunk in half after starting a new chemo treatment and this new diet, and she didn't want to take the chance that it was the diet rather than the chemo, so carried on with this juice diet. She was advised to add a little avocado for fat and nuts for protein and was about to start having bone broth soup for "added protein" when she died. She starved to death. The whole thing was horrendous to watch and is painful to think about still. It left me with a very bad attitude towards holistic medicine.
OP I don't know if you're still reading this thread or if you've had to protect your investment in your education by ignoring the majority of posts, but I hope you find a different career path.
My mother also starved to death after having cancer 7 years. She was in the hospital under her personal Doctor/close friend's care. She couldn't eat enough/her body could no longer process food efficiently enough.
My brother couldn't eat because of throat cancer, was fed through a tube in his stomach. Couldn't process it.
It happens with cancer. Whatever you try to eat.
A friend on here introduced me to the term cachexia. It helped me realize that there was more going on than just this ridiculous diet and helped with my anger issues after her death. I see someone woo'd your post, but I mostly agree with you, many cancer patients starve to death. In my friend's case though, she regained her appetite when her tumour shrank in half but she disciplined herself to stick with the diet.1 -
I love it. The responses in here kill me. My typos and, potential, grammatical mistakes I'll leave in, since I'm not going to re-read this after I've written it (and yet.. I had to re-read myself.. I modified for meaning only however, corrected names and improved for meaning only... I left in the rest)... Though it wasn't a common believe the "science" of the past would bleed people. Also, a common thought in the "science" of the past, the world was flat and the Earth is the middle of existence. Hypothesis, theorems...etc... Show ME the evidence AGAINST leaky gut. The actual goal of a scientific study is to prove oneself incorrect and NOT to prove oneself to be correct. To suggest that there are NO black swans is to always be on the search for a black Swan NOT to ignore one when you find one. Let's take the information from Ancel Keyes, and group, and break down what's occurred since his hypothesis was followed. The United States of America has gone down a road of spiraling out of control health crises. Diabetes, which was barely recognized in the seventies and eighties, is out of containment, a complete household word because SO many people have it now. You've gotten vegans and vegetarians arguing "facts" about agendas while THEY'VE got agendas. Absolute fact, as the show What The Health quotes on all the funding behind the different organisations, their "experts" and "researchers" are being paid by vegan organisations. Their research IS funded by those WANTING the results they're finding. Are you kidding me!?! Lies in plain sight by omittions are still lies. Misleading everyone because you BELIEVE something is wrong doesn't make it right. The perpetual argument that there are NO black Swans, while looking at a Black Swan, is not only self deceiving but is a complete destroyer of what you all are referring to as science. I don't have to bring evidence against sugar to suggest sugar is the problem, or the level of said sugar is the problem, you've got to prove it isn't the problem. THAT'S science!!! Let's take some true science into THIS discussion. You DON'T NEED carbs to live!!! It's proven... You can't live without Fats! PERIOD!! You can't live without proteins!! PERIOD!!! But you can live on ZERO carbs!!! I'm not suggesting it's the best way to live, BUT, you can!! So, here is my suggest to anyone wanting to prove that I'm incorrect, take the scientific test and ONLY live on Carbs!! You'll DIE but give it an honest go. People HAVE and DO live on NO carb diets. Welcome to a REAL scientific test. Stop purporting to know sciences when you aren't even trying to disprove what is in front of you. I don't care of you've got a Master's or a PhD, anytime you are proving yourself right YOU'RE NOT using a scientific method! I assume I'm going to now be slammed by those of you whom BELIEVE you know better, bring it! At the end of the day, you're wrong! I truly don't care what your thoughts on this topic are or what you think of me, you're wrong. Stay blind! But, if you want to prove my statement wrong... No supplements, no fats, no proteins... Carb only diet.. Prove it! Crud, just no fats and no supplements... Proteins and carbs!!! Go!!! Prove yourselves correct, and die in the process. Because you will... I'll drop this and you can now vulture attack me.35
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mshanepace wrote: »I love it. The responses in here kill me. My typos and, potential, grammatical mistakes I'll leave in, since I'm not going to re-read this after I've written it... Though it wasn't a common believe the "science" of the past would bleed people. Also, a common thought in the "science" of the past, the world was flat and the Earth is the middle of existence. Hypothesis, theorems...etc... So ME the evidence AGAINST leaky gut. The actual goal of a scientific study is to prove oneself incorrect and NOT to prove oneself to be correct. To suggest that there are NO black swans is to always be on the search for a black Swan NOT to ignore one when you find one. Let's take the information from Angel Keyes, and group, and break down what's occurred since his hypothesis was followed. The United States of America has gone down a road of spiraling out of control health crises. Diabetes, which was barely recognized in the seventies and eighties, is out of containment, a complete household word because SO many people have it now. You've gotten vegans and vegetarians arguing "facts" about agendas while THEY'VE got agendas. Absolute fact, as the show What The Health quotes on all the funding behind the different organisations, their "experts" and "researchers" are being paid by vegan organisations. Their research IS funded by those WANTING the results they're finding. Are you kidding me!?! Lies in plain sight by omittions are still lies. Misleading everyone because you BELIEVE something is wrong doesn't make it wrong. The perpetual argument that there are NO black Swans, while looking at a Black Swan, is not only self deceiving but is a complete destroyer of what you all are referring to as science. I don't have to bring evidence against sugar to suggest sugar is the problem, or the level of said sugar is the problem, you've got to prove it isn't the problem. THAT'S science!!! Let's take some true science into THIS discussion. You DON'T NEED carbs to live!!! It's proven... You can't live without Fats! PERIOD!! You can't live without proteins!! PERIOD!!! But you can live on ZERO carbs!!! I'm not suggesting it's the best way to live, BUT, you can!! So, here is my suggest to anyone wanting to prove that I'm incorrect, take the scientific test and ONLY live on Carbs!! You'll DIE but give it an honest go. People HAVE and DO live on NO carb diets. Welcome to a REAL scientific test. Stop purporting to know sciences when you aren't even trying to disprove what is in front of you. I don't care of you've got a Master's or a PhD, anytime you are proving yourself right YOU'RE NOT using a scientific method! I assume I'm going to now be slammed by those of you whom BELIEVE you know better, bring it! At the end of the day, you're wrong! I truly don't care what your thoughts on this topic are or what you think of me, you're wrong. Stay blind! But, if you want to prove my statement wrong... No supplements, no fats, no proteins... Carb only diet.. Prove it! Crud, just no fats and no supplements... Proteins and carbs!!! Go!!! Prove yourselves correct, and die in the process. Because you will... I'll drop this and you can now vulture attack me.
Why did I try to decipher that before my 2nd cup of coffee? Now I have a headache.21 -
Why did I try to decipher that before my 2nd cup of coffee? Now I have a headache.
Sorry, I HAD TO edit some of it... It was pretty bad in places...lol... Ranting on a Swype based keyboard at 3ish in the morning was/is probably the wrong thing to do.
I even hit done and lost it once too. Can't sleep and reading this early on a Saturday morning is probably a bad combination.1 -
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