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Why are most mfp users against holistic nutrition?

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  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
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    Just like Chiro is great for shoulder/back/neck pain/disfunction, less good for digestive issues.

    Do not let a chiropractor manipulate your neck.

    Too many people have died from stroke after that.

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-statement-on-cervical-manipulation-and-dissections/

    http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/early/2014/08/07/STR.0000000000000016
  • Alatariel75
    Alatariel75 Posts: 17,959 Member
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    Orphia wrote: »
    Just like Chiro is great for shoulder/back/neck pain/disfunction, less good for digestive issues.

    Do not let a chiropractor manipulate your neck.

    Too many people have died from stroke after that.

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-statement-on-cervical-manipulation-and-dissections/

    http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/early/2014/08/07/STR.0000000000000016

    A chiropractor manipulating my neck is the only think that's fixing a 6 month stint of extreme debilitating vertigo, caused by a bilateral atlas subluxation from a crush injury. No other thing has been able to assist. Thing is, I have a bloody good chiro who I trust implicitly. There's just so many sub-par crap practitioners now though.
  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
    edited November 2017
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    Orphia wrote: »
    Just like Chiro is great for shoulder/back/neck pain/disfunction, less good for digestive issues.

    Do not let a chiropractor manipulate your neck.

    Too many people have died from stroke after that.

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-statement-on-cervical-manipulation-and-dissections/

    http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/early/2014/08/07/STR.0000000000000016

    A chiropractor manipulating my neck is the only think that's fixing a 6 month stint of extreme debilitating vertigo, caused by a bilateral atlas subluxation from a crush injury. No other thing has been able to assist. Thing is, I have a bloody good chiro who I trust implicitly. There's just so many sub-par crap practitioners now though.

    So you have to keep going to the chiropractor? How is that fixing it? Could be it's getting better on its own.
  • Alatariel75
    Alatariel75 Posts: 17,959 Member
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    Orphia wrote: »
    Orphia wrote: »
    Just like Chiro is great for shoulder/back/neck pain/disfunction, less good for digestive issues.

    Do not let a chiropractor manipulate your neck.

    Too many people have died from stroke after that.

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-statement-on-cervical-manipulation-and-dissections/

    http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/early/2014/08/07/STR.0000000000000016

    A chiropractor manipulating my neck is the only think that's fixing a 6 month stint of extreme debilitating vertigo, caused by a bilateral atlas subluxation from a crush injury. No other thing has been able to assist. Thing is, I have a bloody good chiro who I trust implicitly. There's just so many sub-par crap practitioners now though.

    So you have to keep going to the chiropractor? How is that fixing it? Could be it's getting better on its own.

    I promise you, it is not. Because it has been so wrong for so long, it's requiring a few treatments because of muscle stiffness and it resettling into the position it's been in for so long. After 6 months, and the most recent month almost incapacitated, it got immediate relief after the first visit. I've had 2 visits with the chiro and a follow up tomorrow. 2 weeks to fix a problem that has baffled 2 neuros, an ENT surgeon and my GP for 6 months.
  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
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    Orphia wrote: »
    Orphia wrote: »
    Just like Chiro is great for shoulder/back/neck pain/disfunction, less good for digestive issues.

    Do not let a chiropractor manipulate your neck.

    Too many people have died from stroke after that.

    https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-statement-on-cervical-manipulation-and-dissections/

    http://stroke.ahajournals.org/content/early/2014/08/07/STR.0000000000000016

    A chiropractor manipulating my neck is the only think that's fixing a 6 month stint of extreme debilitating vertigo, caused by a bilateral atlas subluxation from a crush injury. No other thing has been able to assist. Thing is, I have a bloody good chiro who I trust implicitly. There's just so many sub-par crap practitioners now though.

    So you have to keep going to the chiropractor? How is that fixing it? Could be it's getting better on its own.

    I promise you, it is not. Because it has been so wrong for so long, it's requiring a few treatments because of muscle stiffness and it resettling into the position it's been in for so long. After 6 months, and the most recent month almost incapacitated, it got immediate relief after the first visit. I've had 2 visits with the chiro and a follow up tomorrow. 2 weeks to fix a problem that has baffled 2 neuros, an ENT surgeon and my GP for 6 months.

    I'm just saying that neck manipulation is fairly well attributed to causing strokes.
  • Lpaige89
    Lpaige89 Posts: 22 Member
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    My friend took a holistic course and some of the stuff he was telling me is just utter nonsense, with no evidence or studies to back it up. Im a chemistry major, and any diet fads or stuff like that I ask my teachers about.

    Best thing I can say is if your having doubts, do your own research. There is lots of info on the internet, just make sure its peer reviewed. Just because someone is teaching a course and/or has a degree or certificate means they are correct.

  • corinasue1143
    corinasue1143 Posts: 7,467 Member
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    Not sure if I've told this story before on here, but last year a friend who had cancer got advice from someone who persuaded her to follow a juice diet. Her tumour had shrunk in half after starting a new chemo treatment and this new diet, and she didn't want to take the chance that it was the diet rather than the chemo, so carried on with this juice diet. She was advised to add a little avocado for fat and nuts for protein and was about to start having bone broth soup for "added protein" when she died. She starved to death. The whole thing was horrendous to watch and is painful to think about still. It left me with a very bad attitude towards holistic medicine.

    OP I don't know if you're still reading this thread or if you've had to protect your investment in your education by ignoring the majority of posts, but I hope you find a different career path.

    My mother also starved to death after having cancer 7 years. She was in the hospital under her personal Doctor/close friend's care. She couldn't eat enough/her body could no longer process food efficiently enough.
    My brother couldn't eat because of throat cancer, was fed through a tube in his stomach. Couldn't process it.
    It happens with cancer. Whatever you try to eat.
  • PaulaWallaDingDong
    PaulaWallaDingDong Posts: 4,641 Member
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    Difficult to *kitten* to this... :/

    Amateur.
  • goldthistime
    goldthistime Posts: 3,214 Member
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    Not sure if I've told this story before on here, but last year a friend who had cancer got advice from someone who persuaded her to follow a juice diet. Her tumour had shrunk in half after starting a new chemo treatment and this new diet, and she didn't want to take the chance that it was the diet rather than the chemo, so carried on with this juice diet. She was advised to add a little avocado for fat and nuts for protein and was about to start having bone broth soup for "added protein" when she died. She starved to death. The whole thing was horrendous to watch and is painful to think about still. It left me with a very bad attitude towards holistic medicine.

    OP I don't know if you're still reading this thread or if you've had to protect your investment in your education by ignoring the majority of posts, but I hope you find a different career path.

    My mother also starved to death after having cancer 7 years. She was in the hospital under her personal Doctor/close friend's care. She couldn't eat enough/her body could no longer process food efficiently enough.
    My brother couldn't eat because of throat cancer, was fed through a tube in his stomach. Couldn't process it.
    It happens with cancer. Whatever you try to eat.

    A friend on here introduced me to the term cachexia. It helped me realize that there was more going on than just this ridiculous diet and helped with my anger issues after her death. I see someone woo'd your post, but I mostly agree with you, many cancer patients starve to death. In my friend's case though, she regained her appetite when her tumour shrank in half but she disciplined herself to stick with the diet.
  • mshanepace
    mshanepace Posts: 23 Member
    edited November 2017
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    RAinWA wrote: »

    Why did I try to decipher that before my 2nd cup of coffee? Now I have a headache.

    Sorry, I HAD TO edit some of it... It was pretty bad in places...lol... Ranting on a Swype based keyboard at 3ish in the morning was/is probably the wrong thing to do.

    I even hit done and lost it once too. Can't sleep and reading this early on a Saturday morning is probably a bad combination.
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