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Why are most mfp users against holistic nutrition?
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snowflake954 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »suzannesimmons3 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »fitfreakymom wrote: »I will use what works for me and if smoking a plant takes care of my body pain and my head then I will do that before popping a pill made in a lab.
What "Big Pharma" could do would be extracting the active ingredient that helps with your condition so you wouldn't have to hurt your lungs with hot smoke.
Here your go!
"Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) refers to a psychotropic cannabinoid (dronabinol, trade name Marinol is a synthetic form of THC, approved by the FDA) and is the principal psychoactive constituent of cannabis. Its chemical name is (–)-trans-Δ⁹-tetrahydrocannabinol and the term THC is used to refer to isomers as well. The pharmaceutical formulation dronabinol is available by prescription in the U.S, Canada, Germany and New Zealand."
I was put on Marinol (Dronabinol) by prescription by the VA several years ago after I dropped so much weight because of my treatment. Nothing else was working to help with my appetite and nausea. They were reluctant but gave it to me. Well, let me tell you - the stuff worked like a charm. It worked so well in fact and got me so stoned that I stopped taking it in the morning at at lunch because I couldn't work on it. So, I'd save my pill and take all of them at once as soon as I was clocked out. I'd walk to the mall and hit the food court and just demolish plate after plate after plate of food. I'd then take the train home (yes, no driving). The high from it is exactly the same high you get from edibles... and yes, although I don't use MJ anymore - I spent my teen years and the first year out of the Army in college trying to smoke myself into an alternate universe. So, plenty of experience. lol
I'm also confused about it's use for pain. There are so many other drugs, including simple ibuprofen that are better for localized and sharp pain. Maybe ok for general aches and stuff but it never worked at all for me for things like tooth aches or injuries. Pain was still all there, just maybe too stoned to complain about it as much.
I'm sure I read they are looking into strains that have all of the good qualities they want without all of the thc.
That would be interesting. How much do you want to bet that if they came up with a strain that had no THC, didn't get you high at all, but really worked on a specific ailment, that the majority of folks who claim medical use would not want to use it? I'm sure there are people who would welcome such a product but in my experience the head change/high is the main aspect of MJ that people are looking for.
I suffer from chronic pain. I would absolutely love to have a form of legal medical marijuana that didn't have any head change to alleviate my pain.
I have no desire to be high. I would like less pain.
Maybe the crowd you know is different than little old ladies with arthritis.
I'm a tough old bird about my pain and don't really dwell on it, but it would be nice to not be woken quite as much by my dodgy hips. Just a few tokes of something before bed for sweet dreams and restorative sleep would be awesome.
Same here--from another old lady with OA. The pits.
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snowflake954 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »suzannesimmons3 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »fitfreakymom wrote: »I will use what works for me and if smoking a plant takes care of my body pain and my head then I will do that before popping a pill made in a lab.
What "Big Pharma" could do would be extracting the active ingredient that helps with your condition so you wouldn't have to hurt your lungs with hot smoke.
Here your go!
"Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) refers to a psychotropic cannabinoid (dronabinol, trade name Marinol is a synthetic form of THC, approved by the FDA) and is the principal psychoactive constituent of cannabis. Its chemical name is (–)-trans-Δ⁹-tetrahydrocannabinol and the term THC is used to refer to isomers as well. The pharmaceutical formulation dronabinol is available by prescription in the U.S, Canada, Germany and New Zealand."
I was put on Marinol (Dronabinol) by prescription by the VA several years ago after I dropped so much weight because of my treatment. Nothing else was working to help with my appetite and nausea. They were reluctant but gave it to me. Well, let me tell you - the stuff worked like a charm. It worked so well in fact and got me so stoned that I stopped taking it in the morning at at lunch because I couldn't work on it. So, I'd save my pill and take all of them at once as soon as I was clocked out. I'd walk to the mall and hit the food court and just demolish plate after plate after plate of food. I'd then take the train home (yes, no driving). The high from it is exactly the same high you get from edibles... and yes, although I don't use MJ anymore - I spent my teen years and the first year out of the Army in college trying to smoke myself into an alternate universe. So, plenty of experience. lol
I'm also confused about it's use for pain. There are so many other drugs, including simple ibuprofen that are better for localized and sharp pain. Maybe ok for general aches and stuff but it never worked at all for me for things like tooth aches or injuries. Pain was still all there, just maybe too stoned to complain about it as much.
I'm sure I read they are looking into strains that have all of the good qualities they want without all of the thc.
That would be interesting. How much do you want to bet that if they came up with a strain that had no THC, didn't get you high at all, but really worked on a specific ailment, that the majority of folks who claim medical use would not want to use it? I'm sure there are people who would welcome such a product but in my experience the head change/high is the main aspect of MJ that people are looking for.
I suffer from chronic pain. I would absolutely love to have a form of legal medical marijuana that didn't have any head change to alleviate my pain.
I have no desire to be high. I would like less pain.
Maybe the crowd you know is different than little old ladies with arthritis.
I'm a tough old bird about my pain and don't really dwell on it, but it would be nice to not be woken quite as much by my dodgy hips. Just a few tokes of something before bed for sweet dreams and restorative sleep would be awesome.
Same here--from another old lady with OA. The pits.
I have PsA and OA. I'm fine during the day, like I said, I'm tough. It's at night, the hips stiffen up and wake me up every few hours. It's annoying.0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »suzannesimmons3 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »fitfreakymom wrote: »I will use what works for me and if smoking a plant takes care of my body pain and my head then I will do that before popping a pill made in a lab.
What "Big Pharma" could do would be extracting the active ingredient that helps with your condition so you wouldn't have to hurt your lungs with hot smoke.
Here your go!
"Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) refers to a psychotropic cannabinoid (dronabinol, trade name Marinol is a synthetic form of THC, approved by the FDA) and is the principal psychoactive constituent of cannabis. Its chemical name is (–)-trans-Δ⁹-tetrahydrocannabinol and the term THC is used to refer to isomers as well. The pharmaceutical formulation dronabinol is available by prescription in the U.S, Canada, Germany and New Zealand."
I was put on Marinol (Dronabinol) by prescription by the VA several years ago after I dropped so much weight because of my treatment. Nothing else was working to help with my appetite and nausea. They were reluctant but gave it to me. Well, let me tell you - the stuff worked like a charm. It worked so well in fact and got me so stoned that I stopped taking it in the morning at at lunch because I couldn't work on it. So, I'd save my pill and take all of them at once as soon as I was clocked out. I'd walk to the mall and hit the food court and just demolish plate after plate after plate of food. I'd then take the train home (yes, no driving). The high from it is exactly the same high you get from edibles... and yes, although I don't use MJ anymore - I spent my teen years and the first year out of the Army in college trying to smoke myself into an alternate universe. So, plenty of experience. lol
I'm also confused about it's use for pain. There are so many other drugs, including simple ibuprofen that are better for localized and sharp pain. Maybe ok for general aches and stuff but it never worked at all for me for things like tooth aches or injuries. Pain was still all there, just maybe too stoned to complain about it as much.
I'm sure I read they are looking into strains that have all of the good qualities they want without all of the thc.
That would be interesting. How much do you want to bet that if they came up with a strain that had no THC, didn't get you high at all, but really worked on a specific ailment, that the majority of folks who claim medical use would not want to use it? I'm sure there are people who would welcome such a product but in my experience the head change/high is the main aspect of MJ that people are looking for.
I suffer from chronic pain. I would absolutely love to have a form of legal medical marijuana that didn't have any head change to alleviate my pain.
I have no desire to be high. I would like less pain.
Maybe the crowd you know is different than little old ladies with arthritis.
I'm a tough old bird about my pain and don't really dwell on it, but it would be nice to not be woken quite as much by my dodgy hips. Just a few tokes of something before bed for sweet dreams and restorative sleep would be awesome.
Same here--from another old lady with OA. The pits.
I have PsA and OA. I'm fine during the day, like I said, I'm tough. It's at night, the hips stiffen up and wake me up every few hours. It's annoying.
Same here hon. I have to sleep on my back, or the pain in my hips, thighs and ankles wake me up. I try to do without painkillers, but sometimes I just have to take something, then BAM, I sleep like a log. I have to stay active, or I stiffen up.0 -
In short, I believe it. I know so many people with digestive issues, food allergies, etc. I know a coworker who felt like *kitten* to be diagnosed with leaky gut and had to go on a strict diet to heal it. She had to take out dairy and gluten along with other stuff and she feels 100% better. Another was having similar digestive issues and after much trial and error, someone suggested she take gluten out and again, doesn't have pain. My fiance has a intolerance to fructose and I kid you not, he can get his system so messed up sometimes because of what foods are on other foods. Try a low fodmap diet and see how hard that is.
My body changed after I got off birth control (pills) and I finally got off because I didn't want to be on hormones anymore. My cycle changed and hasn't been the same ever since. I was on it for 10 years.
I could go on and on but I know of people who have bodies who are unable to process, have real pain and discomfort or other serious issues due to a number of things listed. A lot I know is due to what we are eating and how much has been altered to that food. BC, same thing in that doctors were handing that stuff out left and right esp to teens who get on it and they even haven't fully developed. Only to snuggle years later to get pregnant when they want to or have women have issues with their cycle after.
I'll get off my pedestal but I wanted to share what I've see and I don't think it's all woo woo.16 -
In short, I believe it. I know so many people with digestive issues, food allergies, etc. I know a coworker who felt like *kitten* to be diagnosed with leaky gut and had to go on a strict diet to heal it. She had to take out dairy and gluten along with other stuff and she feels 100% better. Another was having similar digestive issues and after much trial and error, someone suggested she take gluten out and again, doesn't have pain. My fiance has a intolerance to fructose and I kid you not, he can get his system so messed up sometimes because of what foods are on other foods. Try a low fodmap diet and see how hard that is.
My body changed after I got off birth control (pills) and I finally got off because I didn't want to be on hormones anymore. My cycle changed and hasn't been the same ever since. I was on it for 10 years.
I could go on and on but I know of people who have bodies who are unable to process, have real pain and discomfort or other serious issues due to a number of things listed. A lot I know is due to what we are eating and how much has been altered to that food. BC, same thing in that doctors were handing that stuff out left and right esp to teens who get on it and they even haven't fully developed. Only to snuggle years later to get pregnant when they want to or have women have issues with their cycle after.
I'll get off my pedestal but I wanted to share what I've see and I don't think it's all woo woo.
Food intolerances are real, leaky gut syndrome isn't.18 -
people can grow it and make their own oil, yes there is draw backs with mj too.One is yes it can damage lungs when smoked and certain strands can cause certain people to hallucinate . unfortunately a lot of people are afraid to try it due to government grooming people to follow them and not break the rules. They legalized cigaretts which have no medicinal benefits but banned mj lol.Aaron_K123 wrote: »fitfreakymom wrote: »you really think that pharmaceutical companies want people switching to treating themselves? they make money off people depending on them.
I actually think that there is some truth to this. Pharmaceutical companies do make profits from pain killers. Marijuana can be an effective way of dealing with chronic pain. Many pharma produced pain killers are addictive in a way that Marijuana is not. If people get medical leave to grow Marijuana in their yard for medicinal purposes and that becomes popular then that could cut into profits from the sale of pain killers.
Where I lose you though is when you seem to imply this makes pharmaceutical companies evil somehow. Not sure how that follows. Also if you are claiming Marijuana has no drawbacks I'd disagree there as well. Smoking anything causes damage to your lungs that can result in serious health problems. If instead you are taking an extract like cannibus oil then you are purchasing that from some company that is making a profit, so not sure how that is any different than pharma.
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fitfreakymom wrote: »
people can grow it and make their own oil, yes there is draw backs with mj too.One is yes it can damage lungs when smoked and certain strands can cause certain people to hallucinate . unfortunately a lot of people are afraid to try it due to government grooming people to follow them and not break the rules. They legalized cigaretts which have no medicinal benefits but banned mj lol.Aaron_K123 wrote: »fitfreakymom wrote: »you really think that pharmaceutical companies want people switching to treating themselves? they make money off people depending on them.
I actually think that there is some truth to this. Pharmaceutical companies do make profits from pain killers. Marijuana can be an effective way of dealing with chronic pain. Many pharma produced pain killers are addictive in a way that Marijuana is not. If people get medical leave to grow Marijuana in their yard for medicinal purposes and that becomes popular then that could cut into profits from the sale of pain killers.
Where I lose you though is when you seem to imply this makes pharmaceutical companies evil somehow. Not sure how that follows. Also if you are claiming Marijuana has no drawbacks I'd disagree there as well. Smoking anything causes damage to your lungs that can result in serious health problems. If instead you are taking an extract like cannibus oil then you are purchasing that from some company that is making a profit, so not sure how that is any different than pharma.
Oh it's much worse than that lol. Throughout the 50's and earlier, cigarettes were brazenly advertised as being good for you. Magazine ads abounded from all the major companies claiming doctors reccomended this and dentists reccomended that brand. There were even cigarettes that were marketed as suitable for the treatment of asthma and hay fever
But anyway, that aside.. You say hallucinate like it's a bad thing?? lol It's hard to care about a headache when that smudge on the kitchen wall is trying to eat you. 3 -
snowflake954 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »suzannesimmons3 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »fitfreakymom wrote: »I will use what works for me and if smoking a plant takes care of my body pain and my head then I will do that before popping a pill made in a lab.
What "Big Pharma" could do would be extracting the active ingredient that helps with your condition so you wouldn't have to hurt your lungs with hot smoke.
Here your go!
"Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) refers to a psychotropic cannabinoid (dronabinol, trade name Marinol is a synthetic form of THC, approved by the FDA) and is the principal psychoactive constituent of cannabis. Its chemical name is (–)-trans-Δ⁹-tetrahydrocannabinol and the term THC is used to refer to isomers as well. The pharmaceutical formulation dronabinol is available by prescription in the U.S, Canada, Germany and New Zealand."
I was put on Marinol (Dronabinol) by prescription by the VA several years ago after I dropped so much weight because of my treatment. Nothing else was working to help with my appetite and nausea. They were reluctant but gave it to me. Well, let me tell you - the stuff worked like a charm. It worked so well in fact and got me so stoned that I stopped taking it in the morning at at lunch because I couldn't work on it. So, I'd save my pill and take all of them at once as soon as I was clocked out. I'd walk to the mall and hit the food court and just demolish plate after plate after plate of food. I'd then take the train home (yes, no driving). The high from it is exactly the same high you get from edibles... and yes, although I don't use MJ anymore - I spent my teen years and the first year out of the Army in college trying to smoke myself into an alternate universe. So, plenty of experience. lol
I'm also confused about it's use for pain. There are so many other drugs, including simple ibuprofen that are better for localized and sharp pain. Maybe ok for general aches and stuff but it never worked at all for me for things like tooth aches or injuries. Pain was still all there, just maybe too stoned to complain about it as much.
I'm sure I read they are looking into strains that have all of the good qualities they want without all of the thc.
That would be interesting. How much do you want to bet that if they came up with a strain that had no THC, didn't get you high at all, but really worked on a specific ailment, that the majority of folks who claim medical use would not want to use it? I'm sure there are people who would welcome such a product but in my experience the head change/high is the main aspect of MJ that people are looking for.
I suffer from chronic pain. I would absolutely love to have a form of legal medical marijuana that didn't have any head change to alleviate my pain.
I have no desire to be high. I would like less pain.
Maybe the crowd you know is different than little old ladies with arthritis.
I'm a tough old bird about my pain and don't really dwell on it, but it would be nice to not be woken quite as much by my dodgy hips. Just a few tokes of something before bed for sweet dreams and restorative sleep would be awesome.
Same here--from another old lady with OA. The pits.
a strand called cb dream from crop kings
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fitfreakymom wrote: »
people can grow it and make their own oil, yes there is draw backs with mj too.One is yes it can damage lungs when smoked and certain strands can cause certain people to hallucinate . unfortunately a lot of people are afraid to try it due to government grooming people to follow them and not break the rules. They legalized cigaretts which have no medicinal benefits but banned mj lol.Aaron_K123 wrote: »fitfreakymom wrote: »you really think that pharmaceutical companies want people switching to treating themselves? they make money off people depending on them.
I actually think that there is some truth to this. Pharmaceutical companies do make profits from pain killers. Marijuana can be an effective way of dealing with chronic pain. Many pharma produced pain killers are addictive in a way that Marijuana is not. If people get medical leave to grow Marijuana in their yard for medicinal purposes and that becomes popular then that could cut into profits from the sale of pain killers.
Where I lose you though is when you seem to imply this makes pharmaceutical companies evil somehow. Not sure how that follows. Also if you are claiming Marijuana has no drawbacks I'd disagree there as well. Smoking anything causes damage to your lungs that can result in serious health problems. If instead you are taking an extract like cannibus oil then you are purchasing that from some company that is making a profit, so not sure how that is any different than pharma.
Oh it's much worse than that lol. Throughout the 50's and earlier, cigarettes were brazenly advertised as being good for you. Magazine ads abounded from all the major companies claiming doctors reccomended this and dentists reccomended that brand. There were even cigarettes that were marketed as suitable for the treatment of asthma and hay fever But anyway, that aside.. You say hallucinate like it's a bad thing?? lol It's hard to care about a headache when that smudge on the kitchen wall is trying to eat you.
it can be if you have ptsd but no it is not always a bad thing lol
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@TenderBlender667, I'm sure you are a compassionate person who is pursuing this education because you want to help people. You mentioned that it is your only option at this time. However, I would ask you to reconsider; it is a scam.
I recommend ZDoggMD's newest video (From Zero to Hero: Ditching Naturopathy for Science | Against Medical Advice 027). It's an interview with a former naturopathic doctor, Britt Marie Hermes (naturopathicdiaries.com). She talks about her disillusionment with Western medicine and her student years in naturopathic school (Bastyr University). She practiced for a few years before finding out that she was an accessory to a felonious act which is common in the naturopathy world (importing non-FDA approved drugs). It caused her to question naturopathy and her part in it. Two warnings: it's long (1 hr 10 mins), and there will be some foul language, crude comments, and irreverent gestures (it's typical of ZDoggMD's style).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1ZLL4swLMY 0 -
Canadian School of Natural Nutrition offers a title that they made up themselves. https://www.reddit.com/r/nutrition/comments/1p6jaa/what_is_a_registered_holistic_nutritionist_do/
Dr. Elson Haas is a huge proponent of detox dieting. http://chetday.com/haasdetox.htm
THE DETOX DIET MENU PLAN
Morning: (upon arising): Two glasses of water (filtered, spring, or reverse osmosis), one glass with half a lemon squeezed into it.
Breakfast: One piece of fresh fruit (at room temp), such as apple, pear, banana, grapes, or citrus. Chew well, mixing each bite with saliva.
15-30 minutes later: One bowl of cooked whole grains -- specifically millet, brown rice, amaranth, quinoa, raw buckwheat, or buckwheat. Flavoring can be two tablespoons of fruit juice for a sweeter breakfast taste, or use the "better butter" mixture mentioned below with a little salt or tamari for a deeper flavor.
Lunch: (Noon-1 P.M.) One-two medium bowls of steamed vegetables; use a variety, including roots, stems, and greens -- e.g. potatoes or yams, green beans, broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, beets, asparagus, kale, chard, and cabbage. CHEW WELL !
Dinner: (5-6 P.M.) Same as Lunch
Seasoning: Butter/canola oil mixture. Make this "better butter" by mixing a half cup of cold-pressed canola oil (or olive or flaxseed oils) into a soft (room temperature) half-pound of butter; then place in dish and refrigerate. Use about one teaspoon per meal or a maximum of 3 teaspoons daily.
11 A.M. & 3 P.M. One-two cups veggie water, saved from steamed vegetables. Add a little sea salt or kelp and drink slowly, mixing each mouthful with saliva.
Evening: Herbal teas only -- e.g. peppermint, camomile, pau d'arco, or blends.
NOTE: You may feel a little weak or have a few symptoms the first couple of days; this will pass. Clarity and feeling good should appear by day 3 or 4, if not before. If during this diet, you start to feel weak or hungry, assess your water intake and elimination; if needed, you can eat a small portion of protein food (3-4 ounces) in the mid-afternoon. This could be fish; free-range, organic chicken; or some beans, such as lentils, garbanzos, mung, or black beans.
Uhm yeah I would feel weak on a vegetable and oil diet, holy crap (and runny crap, literally). You're 2 months in. You might not be able to get your money back for this semester, but you can probably get any other money back. Do a little research and pick a board certified school. Dietitian is the title that you should look for.
Gosh, what a yummy diet. The vegetable water with kelp sounds particularly exciting. Good god.2 -
Canadian School of Natural Nutrition offers a title that they made up themselves. https://www.reddit.com/r/nutrition/comments/1p6jaa/what_is_a_registered_holistic_nutritionist_do/
Dr. Elson Haas is a huge proponent of detox dieting. http://chetday.com/haasdetox.htm
THE DETOX DIET MENU PLAN
Morning: (upon arising): Two glasses of water (filtered, spring, or reverse osmosis), one glass with half a lemon squeezed into it.
Breakfast: One piece of fresh fruit (at room temp), such as apple, pear, banana, grapes, or citrus. Chew well, mixing each bite with saliva.
15-30 minutes later: One bowl of cooked whole grains -- specifically millet, brown rice, amaranth, quinoa, raw buckwheat, or buckwheat. Flavoring can be two tablespoons of fruit juice for a sweeter breakfast taste, or use the "better butter" mixture mentioned below with a little salt or tamari for a deeper flavor.
Lunch: (Noon-1 P.M.) One-two medium bowls of steamed vegetables; use a variety, including roots, stems, and greens -- e.g. potatoes or yams, green beans, broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, beets, asparagus, kale, chard, and cabbage. CHEW WELL !
Dinner: (5-6 P.M.) Same as Lunch
Seasoning: Butter/canola oil mixture. Make this "better butter" by mixing a half cup of cold-pressed canola oil (or olive or flaxseed oils) into a soft (room temperature) half-pound of butter; then place in dish and refrigerate. Use about one teaspoon per meal or a maximum of 3 teaspoons daily.
11 A.M. & 3 P.M. One-two cups veggie water, saved from steamed vegetables. Add a little sea salt or kelp and drink slowly, mixing each mouthful with saliva.
Evening: Herbal teas only -- e.g. peppermint, camomile, pau d'arco, or blends.
NOTE: You may feel a little weak or have a few symptoms the first couple of days; this will pass. Clarity and feeling good should appear by day 3 or 4, if not before. If during this diet, you start to feel weak or hungry, assess your water intake and elimination; if needed, you can eat a small portion of protein food (3-4 ounces) in the mid-afternoon. This could be fish; free-range, organic chicken; or some beans, such as lentils, garbanzos, mung, or black beans.
Uhm yeah I would feel weak on a vegetable and oil diet, holy crap (and runny crap, literally). You're 2 months in. You might not be able to get your money back for this semester, but you can probably get any other money back. Do a little research and pick a board certified school. Dietitian is the title that you should look for.
Gosh, what a yummy diet. The vegetable water with kelp sounds particularly exciting. Good god.
Now I want to know how one chews *without* mixing each bite with saliva. Is there a saliva-free chewing style that I've somehow missed out on?8 -
finny11122 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.
What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?
This thread is about a course that talks about leaky gut syndrome, adrenal fatigue and detoxes amongst other things. The first 2 don't exist and the third is pointless. You came in saying that we shouldn't say anything against it otherwise we are the PC brigade. If I see ridiculous things I will speak out. The reason why I care is I hate seeing vulnerable people being taken advantage of. I have a chronic illness and hear so many crazy things touted as cures (there is no cure for my disease) every day and see people who are so desperate that they spend hundreds on these cures only to find in the best case scenario they don't work and in the worst it makes their symptoms worse.
The op can make her decision . My first comment was towards her . Then you chimed in by respondeding to me . I wish you the best of luck with your health . Different things work for different people . I respect all sides hollistic and modern . I don't have a horse in this race . I don't have a side . I go with what works for me and everyone should go with what works for them .
Well you see, there's a point where "you do you, no harm in people offering these services" is that there could be actual harm. We've all seen cases of parents choosing not to have traditional cancer treatments for their very sick children or themselves as one example. That's a real problem. As an adult have at it but for a child? That's not okay and the practitioners encouraging it are morally corrupt.
Also, you're in a debate forum, don't expect to drop an opinion, one that is challenging the opinions of others and not expect come back.
I know it's a debate and i don't have a side . I made that clear in my orginal comment to the OP .
And parents have their own mind and beliefs . The decisions they make are none of my buisness. . The choices they make in life for their kids are up to them and they have to live with the consequences if something goes wrong .
I disagree with you. Children aren't possessions that parents can try out their ridiculous beliefs on. Too many children have died because parents buy into bullsh*t holistic treatments rather than getting tested, approved treatments that could save their lives. There was a child in my province who died a couple of years ago from meningitis. His parents were treating him with herbal crap even though they were told by a friend who was a nurse that he needed to doctor and a hospital. Parents shouldn't be allowed to make decisions like that. They are living with the consequences - in jail. But the child is still dead. He can't live with the consequences.10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Canadian School of Natural Nutrition offers a title that they made up themselves. https://www.reddit.com/r/nutrition/comments/1p6jaa/what_is_a_registered_holistic_nutritionist_do/
Dr. Elson Haas is a huge proponent of detox dieting. http://chetday.com/haasdetox.htm
THE DETOX DIET MENU PLAN
Morning: (upon arising): Two glasses of water (filtered, spring, or reverse osmosis), one glass with half a lemon squeezed into it.
Breakfast: One piece of fresh fruit (at room temp), such as apple, pear, banana, grapes, or citrus. Chew well, mixing each bite with saliva.
15-30 minutes later: One bowl of cooked whole grains -- specifically millet, brown rice, amaranth, quinoa, raw buckwheat, or buckwheat. Flavoring can be two tablespoons of fruit juice for a sweeter breakfast taste, or use the "better butter" mixture mentioned below with a little salt or tamari for a deeper flavor.
Lunch: (Noon-1 P.M.) One-two medium bowls of steamed vegetables; use a variety, including roots, stems, and greens -- e.g. potatoes or yams, green beans, broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, beets, asparagus, kale, chard, and cabbage. CHEW WELL !
Dinner: (5-6 P.M.) Same as Lunch
Seasoning: Butter/canola oil mixture. Make this "better butter" by mixing a half cup of cold-pressed canola oil (or olive or flaxseed oils) into a soft (room temperature) half-pound of butter; then place in dish and refrigerate. Use about one teaspoon per meal or a maximum of 3 teaspoons daily.
11 A.M. & 3 P.M. One-two cups veggie water, saved from steamed vegetables. Add a little sea salt or kelp and drink slowly, mixing each mouthful with saliva.
Evening: Herbal teas only -- e.g. peppermint, camomile, pau d'arco, or blends.
NOTE: You may feel a little weak or have a few symptoms the first couple of days; this will pass. Clarity and feeling good should appear by day 3 or 4, if not before. If during this diet, you start to feel weak or hungry, assess your water intake and elimination; if needed, you can eat a small portion of protein food (3-4 ounces) in the mid-afternoon. This could be fish; free-range, organic chicken; or some beans, such as lentils, garbanzos, mung, or black beans.
Uhm yeah I would feel weak on a vegetable and oil diet, holy crap (and runny crap, literally). You're 2 months in. You might not be able to get your money back for this semester, but you can probably get any other money back. Do a little research and pick a board certified school. Dietitian is the title that you should look for.
Gosh, what a yummy diet. The vegetable water with kelp sounds particularly exciting. Good god.
Now I want to know how one chews *without* mixing each bite with saliva. Is there a saliva-free chewing style that I've somehow missed out on?
You're probably supposed to gather your saliva in a jar and keep it for just such digestive emergencies.4 -
finny11122 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.
What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?
This thread is about a course that talks about leaky gut syndrome, adrenal fatigue and detoxes amongst other things. The first 2 don't exist and the third is pointless. You came in saying that we shouldn't say anything against it otherwise we are the PC brigade. If I see ridiculous things I will speak out. The reason why I care is I hate seeing vulnerable people being taken advantage of. I have a chronic illness and hear so many crazy things touted as cures (there is no cure for my disease) every day and see people who are so desperate that they spend hundreds on these cures only to find in the best case scenario they don't work and in the worst it makes their symptoms worse.
The op can make her decision . My first comment was towards her . Then you chimed in by respondeding to me . I wish you the best of luck with your health . Different things work for different people . I respect all sides hollistic and modern . I don't have a horse in this race . I don't have a side . I go with what works for me and everyone should go with what works for them .
Well you see, there's a point where "you do you, no harm in people offering these services" is that there could be actual harm. We've all seen cases of parents choosing not to have traditional cancer treatments for their very sick children or themselves as one example. That's a real problem. As an adult have at it but for a child? That's not okay and the practitioners encouraging it are morally corrupt.
Also, you're in a debate forum, don't expect to drop an opinion, one that is challenging the opinions of others and not expect come back.
I know it's a debate and i don't have a side . I made that clear in my orginal comment to the OP .
And parents have their own mind and beliefs . The decisions they make are none of my buisness. . The choices they make in life for their kids are up to them and they have to live with the consequences if something goes wrong .
I disagree with you. Children aren't possessions that parents can try out their ridiculous beliefs on. Too many children have died because parents buy into bullsh*t holistic treatments rather than getting tested, approved treatments that could save their lives. There was a child in my province who died a couple of years ago from meningitis. His parents were treating him with herbal crap even though they were told by a friend who was a nurse that he needed to doctor and a hospital. Parents shouldn't be allowed to make decisions like that. They are living with the consequences - in jail. But the child is still dead. He can't live with the consequences.
Sure, but what's your suggestion? Parent Licences? Neuter people under a certain IQ? Ultimately, there are no laws against being an airhead nutjob. And even if you or I think someone is making bad decisions, the right to religious freedom is enshrined in many democratic countries constitutions.1 -
finny11122 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.
What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?
This thread is about a course that talks about leaky gut syndrome, adrenal fatigue and detoxes amongst other things. The first 2 don't exist and the third is pointless. You came in saying that we shouldn't say anything against it otherwise we are the PC brigade. If I see ridiculous things I will speak out. The reason why I care is I hate seeing vulnerable people being taken advantage of. I have a chronic illness and hear so many crazy things touted as cures (there is no cure for my disease) every day and see people who are so desperate that they spend hundreds on these cures only to find in the best case scenario they don't work and in the worst it makes their symptoms worse.
The op can make her decision . My first comment was towards her . Then you chimed in by respondeding to me . I wish you the best of luck with your health . Different things work for different people . I respect all sides hollistic and modern . I don't have a horse in this race . I don't have a side . I go with what works for me and everyone should go with what works for them .
Well you see, there's a point where "you do you, no harm in people offering these services" is that there could be actual harm. We've all seen cases of parents choosing not to have traditional cancer treatments for their very sick children or themselves as one example. That's a real problem. As an adult have at it but for a child? That's not okay and the practitioners encouraging it are morally corrupt.
Also, you're in a debate forum, don't expect to drop an opinion, one that is challenging the opinions of others and not expect come back.
I know it's a debate and i don't have a side . I made that clear in my orginal comment to the OP .
And parents have their own mind and beliefs . The decisions they make are none of my buisness. . The choices they make in life for their kids are up to them and they have to live with the consequences if something goes wrong .
I disagree with you. Children aren't possessions that parents can try out their ridiculous beliefs on. Too many children have died because parents buy into bullsh*t holistic treatments rather than getting tested, approved treatments that could save their lives. There was a child in my province who died a couple of years ago from meningitis. His parents were treating him with herbal crap even though they were told by a friend who was a nurse that he needed to doctor and a hospital. Parents shouldn't be allowed to make decisions like that. They are living with the consequences - in jail. But the child is still dead. He can't live with the consequences.
Sure, but what's your suggestion? Parent Licences? Neuter people under a certain IQ? Ultimately, there are no laws against being an airhead nutjob. And even if you or I think someone is making bad decisions, the right to religious freedom is enshrined in many democratic countries constitutions.
There have been instances in the US where the state has stepped in to ensure that children get medical treatment (or have prosecuted parents for failing to provide such treatment) even when religion is the motivation.
It doesn't require parental licenses or sterilization. There are laws that can be used against those who would force their children to die unnecessarily.4 -
I'm tired of hearing about the horrors of "big pharma." Yes, there are pharmaceutical companies that have committed fraudulent acts and heaven knows they make a lot of money on the drugs they sell. But they also spend a lot of money developing new drugs and do research on new medications all the time.
It's "big pharma" that created the amounts of medication necessary to eradicate small pox and almost eradicate polio around the world. It's too easy - and a clear sign of first-world arrogance - to blame big pharma that things go wrong with medications or that they can't cure everything. We're so very lucky to live in the times we do with the medical knowledge we have. We seem to believe that no one should ever die and if someone does, it's western medicine or big pharma's fault. The fault really is that we're biological entities that get sick and fall apart.14 -
There are laws to protect the vulnerable. All of this has been played out in the courts. The issue is "informed consent". A child can't do that of course. So the courts, if forced to, will imagine that a reasonable person would choose health and life over death. So dangerous parenting is not a fundamental freedom.
How these cases are dealt with (if the government catches wind of catastrophic parental failure before it is too late) is to give temporary custody of the child to the state. Complete treatment. The child will be returned when it is deemed that the child is no longer in danger.3 -
I'm tired of hearing about the horrors of "big pharma." Yes, there are pharmaceutical companies that have committed fraudulent acts and heaven knows they make a lot of money on the drugs they sell. But they also spend a lot of money developing new drugs and do research on new medications all the time.
It's "big pharma" that created the amounts of medication necessary to eradicate small pox and almost eradicate polio around the world. It's too easy - and a clear sign of first-world arrogance - to blame big pharma that things go wrong with medications or that they can't cure everything. We're so very lucky to live in the times we do with the medical knowledge we have. We seem to believe that no one should ever die and if someone does, it's western medicine or big pharma's fault. The fault really is that we're biological entities that get sick and fall apart.
It's really funny knowing that "big pharma" owns many of the supplement lines that those who rant against "big pharma" are so keen on.
It's almost like they know how to make money.11 -
finny11122 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.
What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?
This thread is about a course that talks about leaky gut syndrome, adrenal fatigue and detoxes amongst other things. The first 2 don't exist and the third is pointless. You came in saying that we shouldn't say anything against it otherwise we are the PC brigade. If I see ridiculous things I will speak out. The reason why I care is I hate seeing vulnerable people being taken advantage of. I have a chronic illness and hear so many crazy things touted as cures (there is no cure for my disease) every day and see people who are so desperate that they spend hundreds on these cures only to find in the best case scenario they don't work and in the worst it makes their symptoms worse.
The op can make her decision . My first comment was towards her . Then you chimed in by respondeding to me . I wish you the best of luck with your health . Different things work for different people . I respect all sides hollistic and modern . I don't have a horse in this race . I don't have a side . I go with what works for me and everyone should go with what works for them .
Well you see, there's a point where "you do you, no harm in people offering these services" is that there could be actual harm. We've all seen cases of parents choosing not to have traditional cancer treatments for their very sick children or themselves as one example. That's a real problem. As an adult have at it but for a child? That's not okay and the practitioners encouraging it are morally corrupt.
Also, you're in a debate forum, don't expect to drop an opinion, one that is challenging the opinions of others and not expect come back.
I know it's a debate and i don't have a side . I made that clear in my orginal comment to the OP .
And parents have their own mind and beliefs . The decisions they make are none of my buisness. . The choices they make in life for their kids are up to them and they have to live with the consequences if something goes wrong .
I disagree with you. Children aren't possessions that parents can try out their ridiculous beliefs on. Too many children have died because parents buy into bullsh*t holistic treatments rather than getting tested, approved treatments that could save their lives. There was a child in my province who died a couple of years ago from meningitis. His parents were treating him with herbal crap even though they were told by a friend who was a nurse that he needed to doctor and a hospital. Parents shouldn't be allowed to make decisions like that. They are living with the consequences - in jail. But the child is still dead. He can't live with the consequences.
Sure, but what's your suggestion? Parent Licences? Neuter people under a certain IQ? Ultimately, there are no laws against being an airhead nutjob. And even if you or I think someone is making bad decisions, the right to religious freedom is enshrined in many democratic countries constitutions.
Have you ever seen the documentary film Idiocracy?5 -
NorthCascades wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.
What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?
This thread is about a course that talks about leaky gut syndrome, adrenal fatigue and detoxes amongst other things. The first 2 don't exist and the third is pointless. You came in saying that we shouldn't say anything against it otherwise we are the PC brigade. If I see ridiculous things I will speak out. The reason why I care is I hate seeing vulnerable people being taken advantage of. I have a chronic illness and hear so many crazy things touted as cures (there is no cure for my disease) every day and see people who are so desperate that they spend hundreds on these cures only to find in the best case scenario they don't work and in the worst it makes their symptoms worse.
The op can make her decision . My first comment was towards her . Then you chimed in by respondeding to me . I wish you the best of luck with your health . Different things work for different people . I respect all sides hollistic and modern . I don't have a horse in this race . I don't have a side . I go with what works for me and everyone should go with what works for them .
Well you see, there's a point where "you do you, no harm in people offering these services" is that there could be actual harm. We've all seen cases of parents choosing not to have traditional cancer treatments for their very sick children or themselves as one example. That's a real problem. As an adult have at it but for a child? That's not okay and the practitioners encouraging it are morally corrupt.
Also, you're in a debate forum, don't expect to drop an opinion, one that is challenging the opinions of others and not expect come back.
I know it's a debate and i don't have a side . I made that clear in my orginal comment to the OP .
And parents have their own mind and beliefs . The decisions they make are none of my buisness. . The choices they make in life for their kids are up to them and they have to live with the consequences if something goes wrong .
I disagree with you. Children aren't possessions that parents can try out their ridiculous beliefs on. Too many children have died because parents buy into bullsh*t holistic treatments rather than getting tested, approved treatments that could save their lives. There was a child in my province who died a couple of years ago from meningitis. His parents were treating him with herbal crap even though they were told by a friend who was a nurse that he needed to doctor and a hospital. Parents shouldn't be allowed to make decisions like that. They are living with the consequences - in jail. But the child is still dead. He can't live with the consequences.
Sure, but what's your suggestion? Parent Licences? Neuter people under a certain IQ? Ultimately, there are no laws against being an airhead nutjob. And even if you or I think someone is making bad decisions, the right to religious freedom is enshrined in many democratic countries constitutions.
Have you ever seen the documentary film Idiocracy?
The first 10 mins are terrifyingly true.4 -
(I've taken to calling any movie a documentary lately.)6
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finny11122 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.
What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?
This thread is about a course that talks about leaky gut syndrome, adrenal fatigue and detoxes amongst other things. The first 2 don't exist and the third is pointless. You came in saying that we shouldn't say anything against it otherwise we are the PC brigade. If I see ridiculous things I will speak out. The reason why I care is I hate seeing vulnerable people being taken advantage of. I have a chronic illness and hear so many crazy things touted as cures (there is no cure for my disease) every day and see people who are so desperate that they spend hundreds on these cures only to find in the best case scenario they don't work and in the worst it makes their symptoms worse.
The op can make her decision . My first comment was towards her . Then you chimed in by respondeding to me . I wish you the best of luck with your health . Different things work for different people . I respect all sides hollistic and modern . I don't have a horse in this race . I don't have a side . I go with what works for me and everyone should go with what works for them .
Well you see, there's a point where "you do you, no harm in people offering these services" is that there could be actual harm. We've all seen cases of parents choosing not to have traditional cancer treatments for their very sick children or themselves as one example. That's a real problem. As an adult have at it but for a child? That's not okay and the practitioners encouraging it are morally corrupt.
Also, you're in a debate forum, don't expect to drop an opinion, one that is challenging the opinions of others and not expect come back.
I know it's a debate and i don't have a side . I made that clear in my orginal comment to the OP .
And parents have their own mind and beliefs . The decisions they make are none of my buisness. . The choices they make in life for their kids are up to them and they have to live with the consequences if something goes wrong .
I disagree with you. Children aren't possessions that parents can try out their ridiculous beliefs on. Too many children have died because parents buy into bullsh*t holistic treatments rather than getting tested, approved treatments that could save their lives. There was a child in my province who died a couple of years ago from meningitis. His parents were treating him with herbal crap even though they were told by a friend who was a nurse that he needed to doctor and a hospital. Parents shouldn't be allowed to make decisions like that. They are living with the consequences - in jail. But the child is still dead. He can't live with the consequences.
Sure, but what's your suggestion? Parent Licences? Neuter people under a certain IQ? Ultimately, there are no laws against being an airhead nutjob. And even if you or I think someone is making bad decisions, the right to religious freedom is enshrined in many democratic countries constitutions.
If only. Parents have the right to refuse treatment for their children but usually not if it's against the advice of the medical team and if the treatment could save the child's life. That's why parents are often charged when their child dies without medical treatment when the child could have reasonably been saved.0 -
Scientific nutritional studies are notoriously difficult conduct due to many factors (accurate reporting of ingested food, food/cooking variances, sample size of # of participants, lengthy time needed to observe results, cost, etc.), however there are more studies available showing specific effects of foods on your gut biome, hormone balance, mitochondrial health (to name a few).
Triple check your sources and do N=1 evaluations - how do you feel as a result of (<some change>). The human body is amazing at reporting back to you how it likes/dislikes how you are fueling yourself.
Keeping an open mind (enough to learn new concepts) balances well with having skepticism to 'wonder' claims.0 -
PrimalForLife wrote: »Scientific nutritional studies are notoriously difficult conduct due to many factors (accurate reporting of ingested food, food/cooking variances, sample size of # of participants, lengthy time needed to observe results, cost, etc.), however there are more studies available showing specific effects of foods on your gut biome, hormone balance, mitochondrial health (to name a few).
Triple check your sources and do N=1 evaluations - how do you feel as a result of (<some change>). The human body is amazing at reporting back to you how it likes/dislikes how you are fueling yourself.
Keeping an open mind (enough to learn new concepts) balances well with having skepticism to 'wonder' claims.
I'm a confirmed woo skeptic and science geek.
Still, I think it's reasonable to do things that might be good for me, are generally enjoyable, don't cost a bunch, make me feel good at that n=1 level, and can't by any rational standard be injurious.
Not where this thread started, though. It was more about worries from OP about whether and why we might think she was being scammed into becoming a professional woo-peddler, to put a sharp point on it.
An open mind is a good thing. Too open, and it can start to get pretty drafty in there.10 -
finny11122 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .
Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".
Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .
Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.
What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?
This thread is about a course that talks about leaky gut syndrome, adrenal fatigue and detoxes amongst other things. The first 2 don't exist and the third is pointless. You came in saying that we shouldn't say anything against it otherwise we are the PC brigade. If I see ridiculous things I will speak out. The reason why I care is I hate seeing vulnerable people being taken advantage of. I have a chronic illness and hear so many crazy things touted as cures (there is no cure for my disease) every day and see people who are so desperate that they spend hundreds on these cures only to find in the best case scenario they don't work and in the worst it makes their symptoms worse.
The op can make her decision . My first comment was towards her . Then you chimed in by respondeding to me . I wish you the best of luck with your health . Different things work for different people . I respect all sides hollistic and modern . I don't have a horse in this race . I don't have a side . I go with what works for me and everyone should go with what works for them .
Well you see, there's a point where "you do you, no harm in people offering these services" is that there could be actual harm. We've all seen cases of parents choosing not to have traditional cancer treatments for their very sick children or themselves as one example. That's a real problem. As an adult have at it but for a child? That's not okay and the practitioners encouraging it are morally corrupt.
Also, you're in a debate forum, don't expect to drop an opinion, one that is challenging the opinions of others and not expect come back.
I know it's a debate and i don't have a side . I made that clear in my orginal comment to the OP .
And parents have their own mind and beliefs . The decisions they make are none of my buisness. . The choices they make in life for their kids are up to them and they have to live with the consequences if something goes wrong .
I disagree with you. Children aren't possessions that parents can try out their ridiculous beliefs on. Too many children have died because parents buy into bullsh*t holistic treatments rather than getting tested, approved treatments that could save their lives. There was a child in my province who died a couple of years ago from meningitis. His parents were treating him with herbal crap even though they were told by a friend who was a nurse that he needed to doctor and a hospital. Parents shouldn't be allowed to make decisions like that. They are living with the consequences - in jail. But the child is still dead. He can't live with the consequences.
Sure, but what's your suggestion? Parent Licences? Neuter people under a certain IQ? Ultimately, there are no laws against being an airhead nutjob. And even if you or I think someone is making bad decisions, the right to religious freedom is enshrined in many democratic countries constitutions.
I mean this is where things start to get really grey right. I agree children are too young to make decisions for themselves (in legal terms they cannot consent). I agree that parents are their rightful guardians who are the ones we look to to make decisions on behalf of their children. I also, however, agree that doesn't mean that parents "own" their children in the same way they own their couch. A parent could take their couch outside and leave it out there to rot and no one would care. If they banished their child to live outside then yeah, people would care and CPS would get involved and they would probably lose custody. I think that is a good thing. I think parents are responsible for caring for their children but I think that society itself is also responsible for caring for children. When society has a justifiable reason to suspect parents are unfit to be judging what is good for a child I think it is right for that society to remove that child from their custody. The difficulty comes in defining what is "justifiable". Whatever the justification is it should be as transparent and black and white and objective as it can possibly be. Unfortunately I think the "dangers" of many holistic treatments are a lot more grey.4 -
PrimalForLife wrote: »Scientific nutritional studies are notoriously difficult conduct due to many factors (accurate reporting of ingested food, food/cooking variances, sample size of # of participants, lengthy time needed to observe results, cost, etc.), however there are more studies available showing specific effects of foods on your gut biome, hormone balance, mitochondrial health (to name a few).
Triple check your sources and do N=1 evaluations - how do you feel as a result of (<some change>). The human body is amazing at reporting back to you how it likes/dislikes how you are fueling yourself.
Keeping an open mind (enough to learn new concepts) balances well with having skepticism to 'wonder' claims.
I'm a confirmed woo skeptic and science geek.
Still, I think it's reasonable to do things that might be good for me, are generally enjoyable, don't cost a bunch, make me feel good at that n=1 level, and can't by any rational standard be injurious.
Not where this thread started, though. It was more about worries from OP about whether and why we might think she was being scammed into becoming a professional woo-peddler, to put a sharp point on it.
An open mind is a good thing. Too open, and it can start to get pretty drafty in there.
Hah reminds me of another Tim Minchin quote "Don't open your mind too much or your brain will fall out"5 -
Keep in mind that custody to the state can be temporary. This is done often say, for children of Jehovah Witness parents who have a religious objection against blood. The child can be temporarily placed in the care of the state, the transfusions administered, and then the child is returned back in to the care of the parents.
An adult who wishes to refuse transfusions however, can be respected right up to death. Freedom respected.
I also reserve my right of free speech to protest unreasonable abstentions which may lead to ill health. Take the hypothetical situation where a new dieter fresh from google diet research decides to go low carb, vegan, non-dairy, low fat all at once. And for some reason is finding it hard to find enough calories to live.3 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »PrimalForLife wrote: »Scientific nutritional studies are notoriously difficult conduct due to many factors (accurate reporting of ingested food, food/cooking variances, sample size of # of participants, lengthy time needed to observe results, cost, etc.), however there are more studies available showing specific effects of foods on your gut biome, hormone balance, mitochondrial health (to name a few).
Triple check your sources and do N=1 evaluations - how do you feel as a result of (<some change>). The human body is amazing at reporting back to you how it likes/dislikes how you are fueling yourself.
Keeping an open mind (enough to learn new concepts) balances well with having skepticism to 'wonder' claims.
I'm a confirmed woo skeptic and science geek.
Still, I think it's reasonable to do things that might be good for me, are generally enjoyable, don't cost a bunch, make me feel good at that n=1 level, and can't by any rational standard be injurious.
Not where this thread started, though. It was more about worries from OP about whether and why we might think she was being scammed into becoming a professional woo-peddler, to put a sharp point on it.
An open mind is a good thing. Too open, and it can start to get pretty drafty in there.
Hah reminds me of another Tim Minchin quote "Don't open your mind too much or your brain will fall out"
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