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Do diets work?

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  • DJ_Skywalker
    DJ_Skywalker Posts: 420 Member
    Eeek .. I can’t keto and only have lean meat ... where’s the bacon?!?
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
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    are you asking me to provide with peer reviewed dietary analysis that a bacon western cheeseburger is less healthy than a chicken breast with balsamic salad?

    No, people are asking specifically about the context of the overall diet. We are not asking you to compare two specific meals.

    We're asking why the person who meets their nutritional needs with a variety of foods including a bacon cheeseburger is better off than the person who is meeting their nutritional needs while excluding bacon cheeseburgers (and, presumably, their components -- beef, bacon, cheese, and bread).

    Foods don't exist in a vacuum, they exist in the context of an overall diet. That is what people are asking you about.

    Although, a bacon cheeseburger is probably more balanced than a balsamic vinegar salad with chicken breast.

    nah
    2 meats and nitrates - lettuce onion ring and BBq sauce (sugar) vs. Chicken breast still lettuce - tomatos - cucumbers - hard boiled eggs vinegar AND 1/2 the calories

    Well that's problem number 1. Who wants half the calories? Now I have to eat 2 salads. and you're probably still light on fat and protein

    And what sort of criminal puts BBQ sauce on a bacon cheeseburger?

    that is one of my many meals and I need the nutrition and don't want empty calories of breading bun sugar in the sauces - LOL BBQ - Carls Jr does

    Why is your cheesburger in this scenario have a bun, onion rings and BBQ sauce on it, but the chicken doesn't have those things? Shouldn't they be equal to compare?

    lean meat - sauteed onion rings and peppers a bit of mozzarella cheese maybe some crushed bacon - no bun no sauce in a lettuce wrap


    Ok, but, you didn't even attempt to answer my question. Why cant I eat the burger that way? Why does it have to be on a bun, with deep-fried onion rings and BBQ sauce? To accurately compare, shouldn't the chicken breast be on a bun, with onion rings, smothered in BBQ sauce?

    YOU CAAAAAAAN - my point was between the 2 that burger or a chicken breast with salad you can eat more nutritious food - if you are active and fit you need more nutrient dense food between the 2 - a Carls jr Bacon western Cheeseburger or a sald with chicken breast the later is the better choice for fitness

    But didn't the Carl's Jr Bacon Western Cheeseburger originally come up because you were attempting to use it as some sort of stand-in for the typical cheeseburger?

    Weren't you the one who did that while other people were arguing that cheeseburgers come in all sorts of forms and it's possible for all types of people to find a version that fits into their calorie and nutritional goals and there's nothing inherently unhealthy about foods that fall into the category of "cheeseburger"?

    And all this in the context of you refusing to even explain why you are so convinced that someone who is meeting their nutritional needs but sometimes having a cheeseburger, even a Carl's Jr Bacon Western Cheeseburger, is going to be worse off.

    Nope I used the 2 because the person thought I was part of the eat what you want as long as you stay within your calorie range

    Well, are we talking weight loss (where they can work) or nutrition (where of course what you eat matters and some diets are bad and some good -- note: diet here means "way one eats")?

    Of course, if you know anything about nutrition you know that there's no inherent nutritional difference between someone who only eats chicken breast as their protein vs. someone who eats a variety of protein sources, including occasional cheeseburgers.

    Single meals do not make that much difference, it's the overall diet. And also a meal involving a cheeseburger can be nutrient dense, and in fact more nutrient dense than a meal involving a chicken breast (or 5, sigh).

    If I like cheeseburgers and really want one, it is far more likely that making myself one (or even going out to dinner for one, although I wouldn't choose Carl Jr's, again, that seems to be your thing) will do more to deal with the temptation to overeat than having boneless skinless chicken breast (which I don't much care for). And I've never found that eating a cheeseburger makes me hungry the next day. I might save calories for it, but eh, that's not a huge trade off (I do this with meals I prefer at restaurants, like Indian food, all the time).

    thus I said Chicken, Fish, Lean Red Meat

    A burger can involve lean red meat.

    So are you keto but anti sat fat?

    Keto yes prefer lean meats and healthy fats when possible

    Interesting, the keto folks around here seem to mostly think sat fat is fine.

    I don't eat that much sat fat from other sources, so I was always fine getting some from an egg or pork chop (again, more fat in the ones from the farm) or chicken with skin or steak or leg of lamb or so on. (Not eating animal products now, at least for Lent.)

    Anyway, eat a varied diet and it will still not be a huge amount. I guess if you want enormous volume of meat you are in a different boat, but that's not me, and wasn't when I was losing weight.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    DJ_Skywalker wrote: »
    Eeek .. I can’t keto and only have lean meat ... where’s the bacon?!?

    Apparently you get lots of mayo though.

    I hate mayo, so that makes me cringe, but whatever.
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  • DJ_Skywalker
    DJ_Skywalker Posts: 420 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    DJ_Skywalker wrote: »
    Eeek .. I can’t keto and only have lean meat ... where’s the bacon?!?

    Apparently you get lots of mayo though.

    I hate mayo, so that makes me cringe, but whatever.

    Ya, I’m not a mayo fan either :/ Gimme all the butter though ... and sausage
  • DJ_Skywalker
    DJ_Skywalker Posts: 420 Member
    brittyn3 wrote: »
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    lemurcat12 wrote: »
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    Eeek .. I can’t keto and only have lean meat ... where’s the bacon?!?

    Apparently you get lots of mayo though.

    I hate mayo, so that makes me cringe, but whatever.

    Ya, I’m not a mayo fan either :/ Gimme all the butter though ... and sausage

    I love mayo - for all you mayo lovers I got one for you...

    Giardiniera (relish style, pick your heat level), mix into mayo (I use light) : 50/50 or whatever ration you prefer. Have it with some nice crusty bread, crisp iceburg lettuce, and a really ripe beautiful tomato. Great on Italian beefs, chicken sandwiches/pitas, etc

    You can thank me later.

    I will eat mayo in my egg salad and tuna salad ... but don’t need on sandwiches like others do.

    What is Giardiniera?
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    Why is dairy fat (cream cheese) fine, but not fat in meat?

    So confused right now.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    brittyn3 wrote: »
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    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    DJ_Skywalker wrote: »
    Eeek .. I can’t keto and only have lean meat ... where’s the bacon?!?

    Apparently you get lots of mayo though.

    I hate mayo, so that makes me cringe, but whatever.

    Ya, I’m not a mayo fan either :/ Gimme all the butter though ... and sausage

    I love mayo - for all you mayo lovers I got one for you...

    Giardiniera (relish style, pick your heat level), mix into mayo (I use light) : 50/50 or whatever ration you prefer. Have it with some nice crusty bread, crisp iceburg lettuce, and a really ripe beautiful tomato. Great on Italian beefs, chicken sandwiches/pitas, etc

    You can thank me later.

    I will eat mayo in my egg salad and tuna salad ... but don’t need on sandwiches like others do.

    What is Giardiniera?

    It may just be a Chicago thing, but it's like picked peppers/veg in olive oil and seasoning. It's about the same amount of calories per table spoon as light mayo. If you can find it, I recommend it. It's fantastic on Italian deli sandwiches for one.

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    It's magical on sandwiches.
  • quiksylver296
    quiksylver296 Posts: 28,439 Member
    singingflutelady wrote: »
    diannethegeek wrote: »
    Is this where we start talking about the fact that bacon is a class 1 carcinogen and context and dosage matter in all foods?

    I have 0% risk of getting colorectal cancer. I am going to gorge myself on bacon! ;)

    There's an upside to anything! Lucky you! ;)
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