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Do diets work?
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Irishman1970 wrote: »
when you are trying to be fit you need the nutrients you can't get all your nutrition and a 1000 Calories burger and stay under your calorie load for the day unless you are an elite athlete that can burn those calories BTW 1000 calories is 5mile hike for the average 150 pound woman +/-
Why does the burger have to be 1,000 calories?
Just as someone eating chicken can eat a portion that is in keeping with their calorie needs, the person eating a burger can do the same.9 -
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Of course you can. Especially if - as you keep mentioning - that burger is half your Calories. I just threw together a daily meal plan that includes 10 servings of vegetables, 4 McDonald's burgers, some chicken breast, and some eggs for 2053 Cals. It has 141 g protein, 54 g fat, and 235 g carbs.
My deficit is 2300. I’ve got room for a donut.
You’re my hero14 -
diannethegeek wrote: »
Better yet, we could all just get our rulers out and start measuring
Our burger patties, right? Measuring our burger patties?13 -
stanmann571 wrote: »
I'm here for you, man.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Our burger patties, right? Measuring our burger patties?
I thought we used gram scales?6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Motion seconded. Let's begin the debate on what the perfect drink is.
In what context? Hot summer day or cold winter night? Or is it a balmy spring day? Or maybe it's the height of autumn and the cider's done...
'Cause... as you know (and some others in this thread obviously don't) context does matter...13 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »
Its not a problem - the OP asked about diet
Oh, what did OP ask? Maybe check the first post here again.a diet(in the context she was using it) is something you eventually go off of and untimely most like fail - fitness is a lifestyle a diet in her context is not a lifestyle its temporary fix to get her to a short term unsustainable goal without lifestyle changes
Again, what is this question you were answering? Diet does not mean what you seem to think it means (i.e., inherently no concern about fitness or nutrition).1 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »
hmmmmm you want to lose weight - a jelly donut or a chicken breast
You are just trying to be stubborn on purpose ... I HAVE lost my weight by using calories in, calories out ... Which includes donuts8 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »
hmmmmm you want to lose weight - a jelly donut or a chicken breast
Why stop there?
From the people who brought you "Carls Jr Bacon Western Cheeseburger versus chicken breast with some nuts":
A handful of Skittles or a bunch of unseasoned kale?
A tumbler of bourbon or a piece of grilled salmon?
A entire deep dish pizza with sausage or some undressed zucchini noodles?
A bag of potato chips or a small bowl of plain fat-free yogurt?
Coming to your town soon in "Dichotomous Food Choices that Nobody, I mean but nobody, Is Really Facing"!30 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Why stop there?
From the people who brought you "Carls Jr Bacon Western Cheeseburger versus chicken breast with some nuts":
A handful of Skittles or a bunch of unseasoned kale?
A tumbler of bourbon or a piece of grilled salmon?
A entire deep dish pizza with sausage or some undressed zucchini noodles?
A bag of potato chips or a small bowl of plain fat-free yogurt?
Coming to your town soon in "Dichotomous Food Choices that Nobody, I mean but nobody, Is Really Facing"!
Change bourbon to rum and the choice is clear.5 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »2 shot tequila
1 shot amaretto
1 shot triple sec
2 Shots Orange Juice
1 Shot Lime Juice
orange flavored sugar rimmer
Italian Margarita
Well, I thought you couldn't be any wronger but this is just unacceptable.6 -
Someone pass the rum
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I feel like a tumbler of rum *and* some grilled salmon might count as a balanced pirate meal.13 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »
when you are trying to be fit you need the nutrients you can't get all your nutrition and a 1000 Calories burger and stay under your calorie load for the day unless you are an elite athlete that can burn those calories BTW 1000 calories is 5mile hike for the average 150 pound woman +/-
You can get all the micronutrients you need in a few hundred calories. Vegetables are awesome like that. What you need in protein and fats varies by your weight but the minimums are also just a few hundred calories. You can, in theory, get all the nutrition your body needs, your minimums, in below 1000 calories. The PSMF builds on that.
What your body doesn't need is 1000 calories of chicken breast when your maintenance calories is over 4000.
I still want to know whether the other 3000 are in your diet are also just "chicken and salad" or if you're eating something that actually has some calorie density that doesn't require you eating 10 pounds of food a day. Also your essential fats seem lacking.8 -
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DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Someone pass the rum
I filled my water bottle at work with vodka - no one knows. teehee3 -
stanmann571 wrote: »
Breaded?? That's also a crime against humanity. Onions should be raw. especially on a bacon cheeseburger.
I'll gladly take up to 1/3 of a large onion on my Cheeseburger.
I think this conversation is giving us insight into the kind of burger Irishman1970 likes (BBQ sauce, breaded onion rings on it). Interesting that he assumes that's the kind of burger everyone else wants.
Not, of course, that it couldn't fit into a reasonable diet on occasion if it was what someone enjoyed.
Eating tons of chicken breast daily seems to me more of an issue (lack of variety) than occasionally having a bacon cheeseburger.
I also don't get how someone who seems to think fat and carbs are bad gets to 4000+ calories. It can't all be lemon chicken breast and salad with vinegar.7 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »
when you are trying to be fit you need the nutrients you can't get all your nutrition and a 1000 Calories burger and stay under your calorie load for the day unless you are an elite athlete that can burn those calories BTW 1000 calories is 5mile hike for the average 150 pound woman +/-
Wait, several pages ago that was a 600 calorie burger wasn't it? And 600 or 1000 (WTF is on it for 1000 calories?!) I could still easily fit it in my day. Because I'm more of a two bigger meals and a snack or two kind of gal.5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Why stop there?
From the people who brought you "Carls Jr Bacon Western Cheeseburger versus chicken breast with some nuts":
A handful of Skittles or a bunch of unseasoned kale?
A tumbler of bourbon or a piece of grilled salmon?
A entire deep dish pizza with sausage or some undressed zucchini noodles?
A bag of potato chips or a small bowl of plain fat-free yogurt?
Coming to your town soon in "Dichotomous Food Choices that Nobody, I mean but nobody, Is Really Facing"!
Literally a whole cow vs. a stalk of celery?10 -
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Holy moly! I finally made it to the end!
I just do my best to hit my macro/calorie goals (sometimes I do, sometimes I don't because I find macros more difficult than calorie control) and don't demonize my food preferences, because I know myself well enough to understand that too many boneless, skinless, tasteless chicken breasts will make me fly into the arms of my favorite fast food restaurant. If I want the burger, I will have it. And I was super glad when Hardee's and Carl's Jr. became one, because when I moved away from California in the early 80's I missed the Western Bacon Cheeseburger from there the most. Now I can get one in NC any time I want.
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VintageFeline wrote: »
Wait, several pages ago that was a 600 calorie burger wasn't it? And 600 or 1000 (WTF is on it for 1000 calories?!) I could still easily fit it in my day. Because I'm more of a two bigger meals and a snack or two kind of gal.
Clearly the burger is gaining in power, it's fueled by our very contemplation of it. Give it a few more pages and it will be a 2,000 calorie burger. There's no telling where it will end. Soon only sumo wrestlers and Michael Phelps will be able to fit it into their day.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »
I think this conversation is giving us insight into the kind of burger Irishman1970 likes (BBQ sauce, breaded onion rings on it). Interesting that he assumes that's the kind of burger everyone else wants.
Not, of course, that it couldn't fit into a reasonable diet on occasion if it was what someone enjoyed.
Eating tons of chicken breast daily seems to me more of an issue (lack of variety) than occasionally having a bacon cheeseburger.
I also don't get how someone who seems to think fat and carbs are bad gets to 4000+ calories. It can't all be lemon chicken breast and salad with vinegar.
In the Special K thread, he was all about the fat being good...5 -
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I wonder how many people involved/read this thread are having burgers inthe very near future because of it
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Am I the only one who sees that diets don’t work! I’ve been reading all the posts on all these threads on MFP, and see that everyone is always dieting and always needing to loose weight! Weight watchers, slim fast, CICO, And the worst offender, eat less and exercise more!! You are what you eat, not how much you eat! Spend your life eating junk food , processed meat , sugary foods, and then think it’s okay as long as you eat in moderation!! Won’t work!!
If I am what I eat I'm pizza!...... ever hear of the Twinkie Diet?
cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »
I think this conversation is giving us insight into the kind of burger Irishman1970 likes (BBQ sauce, breaded onion rings on it). Interesting that he assumes that's the kind of burger everyone else wants.
Not, of course, that it couldn't fit into a reasonable diet on occasion if it was what someone enjoyed.
Eating tons of chicken breast daily seems to me more of an issue (lack of variety) than occasionally having a bacon cheeseburger.
I also don't get how someone who seems to think fat and carbs are bad gets to 4000+ calories. It can't all be lemon chicken breast and salad with vinegar.
It's a good point -- these conversations always seem to wind up suggesting what the dietary prohibitionist in question thinks they would eat in the absence of certain internal restrictions.
To me, the Carls Jr Bacon Western Cheeseburger looks a bit bland and a bit gross (no judgment meant to those who enjoy them, I'm sure I enjoy things that look bland and gross to some) and I can't imagine wanting to eat it. For it to get held up as some sort of hedonistic cheeseburger delight is . . . a bit funny to me.
There are delicious looking bacon cheeseburgers in the world, that just doesn't strike me as one of them.1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »
I think this conversation is giving us insight into the kind of burger Irishman1970 likes (BBQ sauce, breaded onion rings on it). Interesting that he assumes that's the kind of burger everyone else wants.
Not, of course, that it couldn't fit into a reasonable diet on occasion if it was what someone enjoyed.
Eating tons of chicken breast daily seems to me more of an issue (lack of variety) than occasionally having a bacon cheeseburger.
I also don't get how someone who seems to think fat and carbs are bad gets to 4000+ calories. It can't all be lemon chicken breast and salad with vinegar.
I can't imagine trying to hit 4000 calories on salad and lean meat. I'd feel like a stuffed pig the entire time so working out would be impossible, I'd barf.
But also I learned something. Fitness is about what you eat. So step away from the equipment people, what you need is salad and grilled chicken. Quick, let the Olympics committee know everyone is wasting their time, they just need to step away from the pizza!8
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