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Do diets work?
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Irishman1970 wrote: »hmmmmm you want to lose weight - a jelly donut or a chicken breaststanmann571 wrote: »300 calories of each. Hmmm I’ll take the donut. It’s going to make me happier.
Behold donut as healthier choice:
I've currently met my daily protein minimum and have a ways to go on my fat minimum...so right now, the donut IS the healthy choice!
(FYI-My fat number is set to the recommended MINIMUM)
Although since I'm also under on fiber, I'm thinking bowl of butter-flavoured-oil-drenched popcorn.
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DJ_Skywalker wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Eeek .. I can’t keto and only have lean meat ... where’s the bacon?!?
Apparently you get lots of mayo though.
I hate mayo, so that makes me cringe, but whatever.
Ya, I’m not a mayo fan either
Gimme all the butter though ... and sausage
I love mayo - for all you mayo lovers I got one for you...
Giardiniera (relish style, pick your heat level), mix into mayo (I use light) : 50/50 or whatever ration you prefer. Have it with some nice crusty bread, crisp iceburg lettuce, and a really ripe beautiful tomato. Great on Italian beefs, chicken sandwiches/pitas, etc
You can thank me later.
I adore giardiniera, keep your mayo off of it!
(Just kidding, I think it's nice everyone has different preferences.)2 -
Actually, why don't we let him and "fat makes you fat!!!" shouty guy duke it out and see what happens? I'm taking bets.20
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stevencloser wrote: »Actually, why don't we let him and "fat makes you fat!!!" shouty guy duke it out and see what happens? I'm taking bets.
That would be fun3 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »I just realized that our dear sweet Jane is arguing that it’s a good idea to eat cheeseburgers. I’m laughing right now.
And it’s only the contrarian who doesn’t see the humour
I noticed the same
Even someone who may not eat at meat at the moment still understands the science here.
Sadly, I know a few other people in real life that would argue the same as he is ... too stubborn
I argue better choices and when given a choice i eat the better choice
Better only in your mind, my young padawan
hmmmmm you want to lose weight - a jelly donut or a chicken breast
Why stop there?
From the people who brought you "Carls Jr Bacon Western Cheeseburger versus chicken breast with some nuts":
A handful of Skittles or a bunch of unseasoned kale?
A tumbler of bourbon or a piece of grilled salmon?
A entire deep dish pizza with sausage or some undressed zucchini noodles?
A bag of potato chips or a small bowl of plain fat-free yogurt?
Coming to your town soon in "Dichotomous Food Choices that Nobody, I mean but nobody, Is Really Facing"!
Change bourbon to rum and the choice is clear.
I feel like a tumbler of rum *and* some grilled salmon might count as a balanced pirate meal.
You need hardtack biscuit for carbs.
Are you *kidding* me? Do you know how many carbs the average pirate eats? We need to do our part to combat that!6 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Eeek .. I can’t keto and only have lean meat ... where’s the bacon?!?
Apparently you get lots of mayo though.
I hate mayo, so that makes me cringe, but whatever.
Ya, I’m not a mayo fan either Gimme all the butter though ... and sausage
I love mayo - for all you mayo lovers I got one for you...
Giardiniera (relish style, pick your heat level), mix into mayo (I use light) : 50/50 or whatever ration you prefer. Have it with some nice crusty bread, crisp iceburg lettuce, and a really ripe beautiful tomato. Great on Italian beefs, chicken sandwiches/pitas, etc
You can thank me later.
I adore giardiniera, keep your mayo off of it!
(Just kidding, I think it's nice everyone has different preferences.)
I'm a little shameful of how much I love this combination. It's becoming a staple in my life....2 -
So sat fat bad unless keto and bacon?12
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quiksylver296 wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »I just realized that our dear sweet Jane is arguing that it’s a good idea to eat cheeseburgers. I’m laughing right now.
And it’s only the contrarian who doesn’t see the humour
I noticed the same Even someone who may not eat at meat at the moment still understands the science here.
Sadly, I know a few other people in real life that would argue the same as he is ... too stubborn
I argue better choices and when given a choice i eat the better choice
Better only in your mind, my young padawan
hmmmmm you want to lose weight - a jelly donut or a chicken breast
Why stop there?
From the people who brought you "Carls Jr Bacon Western Cheeseburger versus chicken breast with some nuts":
A handful of Skittles or a bunch of unseasoned kale?
A tumbler of bourbon or a piece of grilled salmon?
A entire deep dish pizza with sausage or some undressed zucchini noodles?
A bag of potato chips or a small bowl of plain fat-free yogurt?
Coming to your town soon in "Dichotomous Food Choices that Nobody, I mean but nobody, Is Really Facing"!
Change bourbon to rum and the choice is clear.
I don't think I could drink a tumbler of ANYTHING alcoholic (unless we include mixed drinks involving fruit juice or something; I MIGHT be able to manage a tequila sunrise). Sadly, I don't eat fish either. I guess neither option's going to work for me. Bring on the Nestle salted caramel frozen Greek yogurt sandwiches!
Wait!!! What?!?
Dinner edit: Bacon onion ring cheeseburger, with one of those for dessert!
https://www.madewithnestle.ca/real-dairy/real-dairy-salted-caramel-frozen-greek-yogourt-sandwiches3 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »"Bacon is quite healthy"
I can't even find a gif that accurately describes my facial expression right now.
This close?
Yep on Keto - you need Sodium yep bacon has it - you need protein YEP - you need fat - YEP
if its part of a none keto diet limit it but YEP on Keto actually beneficial
So wait, the cheese on the burger is fine, the bacon is fine, you can make a burger with lean meat (although I still don't understand why bacon is fine, 85% lean beef is bad) -- so the only problem with a burger is the bun?
So the argument is that if you eat any bread you are unhealthy?
Weird.12 -
VintageFeline wrote: »So sat fat bad unless keto and bacon?
Protein and fat in bacon good protein and fat in cheeseburger bad6 -
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stevencloser wrote: »Actually, why don't we let him and "fat makes you fat!!!" shouty guy duke it out and see what happens? I'm taking bets.
Add one of those vegans who is convinced that protein is an over-rated kidney destroyer that we don't really need and we'll have a real entertaining threeway macro grudge match.12 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »"Bacon is quite healthy"
I can't even find a gif that accurately describes my facial expression right now.
This close?
Yep on Keto - you need Sodium yep bacon has it - you need protein YEP - you need fat - YEP
if its part of a none keto diet limit it but YEP on Keto actually beneficial
So wait, the cheese on the burger is fine, the bacon is fine, you can make a burger with lean meat (although I still don't understand why bacon is fine, 85% lean beef is bad) -- so the only problem with a burger is the bun?
So the argument is that if you eat any bread you are unhealthy?
Weird.
And the BBQ sauce...cuz TEH SUGARZ!!!4 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »
Hahahahahahahah yup that's totally legit. You must be toying with us. You can't be a real person10 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »*tinfoil*
Are you for real?8 -
You must search the basement of the pseudoscience quacks to find these things. Wow6
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Irishman1970 wrote: »<<Snipped out that stupid infographic.>>
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-truth-about-cancer-series-is-untruthful-about-cancer/10 -
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Irishman1970 wrote: »
Any food that is listed as "diet," "light," or "fat-free" should be avoided at all costs! In order to remove fat or natural calories, they are replaced with dangerous chemicals.
Well, it's a real accomplishment for this piece of text, but here it is . . . the dumbest damn thing I've read all day.16 -
DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »
But, you eat tuna out of a can
And grilled red meat.9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »I just realized that our dear sweet Jane is arguing that it’s a good idea to eat cheeseburgers. I’m laughing right now.
And it’s only the contrarian who doesn’t see the humour
I noticed the same Even someone who may not eat at meat at the moment still understands the science here.
Sadly, I know a few other people in real life that would argue the same as he is ... too stubborn
I argue better choices and when given a choice i eat the better choice
Better only in your mind, my young padawan
hmmmmm you want to lose weight - a jelly donut or a chicken breast
Why stop there?
From the people who brought you "Carls Jr Bacon Western Cheeseburger versus chicken breast with some nuts":
A handful of Skittles or a bunch of unseasoned kale?
A tumbler of bourbon or a piece of grilled salmon?
A entire deep dish pizza with sausage or some undressed zucchini noodles?
A bag of potato chips or a small bowl of plain fat-free yogurt?
Coming to your town soon in "Dichotomous Food Choices that Nobody, I mean but nobody, Is Really Facing"!
Change bourbon to rum and the choice is clear.
I feel like a tumbler of rum *and* some grilled salmon might count as a balanced pirate meal.
You need hardtack biscuit for carbs.
Are you *kidding* me? Do you know how many carbs the average pirate eats? We need to do our part to combat that!
Well, the biscuits often contained weevils, so there was added protein...9 -
I used to love pirate cookies0
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If all the things I think to be anxious about, I never considered the fumes of microwave popcorn. It would be hilarious if that is what wound up doing me in.5
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estherdragonbat wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »I just realized that our dear sweet Jane is arguing that it’s a good idea to eat cheeseburgers. I’m laughing right now.
And it’s only the contrarian who doesn’t see the humour
I noticed the same Even someone who may not eat at meat at the moment still understands the science here.
Sadly, I know a few other people in real life that would argue the same as he is ... too stubborn
I argue better choices and when given a choice i eat the better choice
Better only in your mind, my young padawan
hmmmmm you want to lose weight - a jelly donut or a chicken breast
Why stop there?
From the people who brought you "Carls Jr Bacon Western Cheeseburger versus chicken breast with some nuts":
A handful of Skittles or a bunch of unseasoned kale?
A tumbler of bourbon or a piece of grilled salmon?
A entire deep dish pizza with sausage or some undressed zucchini noodles?
A bag of potato chips or a small bowl of plain fat-free yogurt?
Coming to your town soon in "Dichotomous Food Choices that Nobody, I mean but nobody, Is Really Facing"!
Change bourbon to rum and the choice is clear.
I feel like a tumbler of rum *and* some grilled salmon might count as a balanced pirate meal.
You need hardtack biscuit for carbs.
Are you *kidding* me? Do you know how many carbs the average pirate eats? We need to do our part to combat that!
Well, the biscuits often contained weevils, so there was added protein...
When you put it that way, it's basically a fortified food! And there is nothing on the label about it being "fat-free," so we don't need to worry about the dreaded dangerous chemicals . . .3 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »LMAO - sooo funny watching you guy spin out of control with a picture - yeah I posted it to see what the comments would be
Just like your special math with the special k picture?4 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »LMAO - sooo funny watching you guy spin out of control with a picture - yeah I posted it to see what the comments would be
I'm glad you knew it was nonsense. It would indeed be sad if an adult fell for the stuff on that graphic.
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singingflutelady wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Actually, why don't we let him and "fat makes you fat!!!" shouty guy duke it out and see what happens? I'm taking bets.
That would be fun
Agreed.1 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Eeek .. I can’t keto and only have lean meat ... where’s the bacon?!?
You can - I say I prefer lean - actually bacon is quite healthy - you have to bit the bullet on the fat -but in Keto you burn that quickly
So wait. You're allowed to eat less-than-perfect foods because you determine the positives outweigh the negatives.
But if we do that and eat a cheeseburger, we're gonna die???
Please tell me there's a point in this thread where you went from legit arguing to just messing with us. Because the alternative is that you are just vomiting facts you've read on click-bait websites and genuinely have no idea what any of it means.
I mean, at this point, you're practically arguing with your own posts from earlier in the thread.17 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Quoting Irishman1970's graphic
"Any food that is listed as "diet," "light," or "fat-free" should be avoided at all costs! In order to remove fat or natural calories, they are replaced with dangerous chemicals."
Well, it's a real accomplishment for this piece of text, but here it is . . . the dumbest damn thing I've read all day.
One of the funny parts is that you know what food has fat removed from out of it?
Boneless skinless chicken breast! And lean ground beef.
I still don't get why that's totally cool, but skim milk or plain low fat greek yogurt is DANGEROUS.9 -
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