Culking Fall of 2017!!!!!
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Gallowmere1984 wrote: »@JoRocka it’s getting there. Had some bloodwork done recently out of curiosity, and got some rather unexpected results. It’ll be about four more weeks before I find out exactly how well I am responding to the dosing protocol, but early indicators are looking very good.
Knowing now that I’ve been playing against a stacked deck for who knows how long makes me even more confident that I’ve been doing a whole lot of stuff right, to get as far as I have.
Do you think that PSMF had an impact on your health?2 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »@JoRocka it’s getting there. Had some bloodwork done recently out of curiosity, and got some rather unexpected results. It’ll be about four more weeks before I find out exactly how well I am responding to the dosing protocol, but early indicators are looking very good.
Knowing now that I’ve been playing against a stacked deck for who knows how long makes me even more confident that I’ve been doing a whole lot of stuff right, to get as far as I have.
Do you think that PSMF had an impact on your health?
Nah, it’s nothing diet related, at least not in this context. Basically, it just turned out that I have the natural hormone profile of a corpse. Literally everything from test, to E2, to T3 was low as hell.
Contest shape bodybuilders don’t even get numbers like what I had when they’re at their absolute leanest, I never got below 10% BF, and I’d been in a mild surplus for months.
On the other hand, all of my blood counts, lipids hbA1c and metabolic panel are fantastic. That kinda surprised me a little as well, given how many years I spent as morbidly obese.0 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »When you're at the gym at o'dark-thirty, lifting heavy and on a significant calorie deficit...and see this!
BISHES! That's torture.
I set my alarm to get up today early to go do cardio- it *surprise*surprise* didn't happen.Gallowmere1984 wrote: »@JoRocka it’s getting there. Had some bloodwork done recently out of curiosity, and got some rather unexpected results. It’ll be about four more weeks before I find out exactly how well I am responding to the dosing protocol, but early indicators are looking very good.
Knowing now that I’ve been playing against a stacked deck for who knows how long makes me even more confident that I’ve been doing a whole lot of stuff right, to get as far as I have.
Well I'm sorry you got some unexpected news- but glad things seem to be working well. That's good. All signs point to "wise to go do regular blood work and physicals!"
Here's to the road to getting healthy!0 -
New low of 210.4lbs today which puts me at 14lbs down from December 31st.
Don't think I've been this light (or un-fat) for over 6 years, which is nice!
Looking forward to a massive 48hr refeed and 10 days at maintenance before the next dieting phase.2 -
Valentine's dinner... The roller coaster continues.
But I finally did my pull-ups in three sets of ten last night, instead of having to break it down into more sets, less reps. That took me almost 3 years of working on them.
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Valentine's dinner... The roller coaster continues.
But I finally did my pull-ups in three sets of ten last night, instead of having to break it down into more sets, less reps. That took me almost 3 years of working on them.
Congrats! That's a lot of dedication and hard work!0 -
Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »@JoRocka it’s getting there. Had some bloodwork done recently out of curiosity, and got some rather unexpected results. It’ll be about four more weeks before I find out exactly how well I am responding to the dosing protocol, but early indicators are looking very good.
Knowing now that I’ve been playing against a stacked deck for who knows how long makes me even more confident that I’ve been doing a whole lot of stuff right, to get as far as I have.
Do you think that PSMF had an impact on your health?
Nah, it’s nothing diet related, at least not in this context. Basically, it just turned out that I have the natural hormone profile of a corpse. Literally everything from test, to E2, to T3 was low as hell.
Contest shape bodybuilders don’t even get numbers like what I had when they’re at their absolute leanest, I never got below 10% BF, and I’d been in a mild surplus for months.
On the other hand, all of my blood counts, lipids hbA1c and metabolic panel are fantastic. That kinda surprised me a little as well, given how many years I spent as morbidly obese.
That really sucks. I went through this a little over a year ago. They are still trying to dial me in. I actually have to go in today to see my endo and tomorrow for a meeting with the hospital pharmacist. My last blood work a couple of weeks ago put me at supraphysiological levels when I should of been in my trough - although my E levels were normal and all my blood work otherwise was perfect. They seem confused and I was very surprised. My current cut might be the reason but I'll see what the doc thinks. I just wish they could figure this roller coaster out. I like the weekly protocol and I feel great but I know they won't let me continue with these levels. I just hope they don't try to force me back to the bi-weekly setup we started with. That was not a fun ride.
Anyhow - just hit 210 (from 240) on this cut. Looks like I need to drop another 10
Starting to get some joint irritation and tendinitis - bought some wraps and braces for my elbows that seem to help. I don't want to lower intensity at all during but it's looking like I need a deload of some sort. 0 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »Valentine's dinner... The roller coaster continues.
But I finally did my pull-ups in three sets of ten last night, instead of having to break it down into more sets, less reps. That took me almost 3 years of working on them.
I'm happy to see other women doing pull ups- it's so silly but it makes me really happy- because well- you know it's something a lot of people are all "aw man I can't do that about"
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^Agreed. I'd be super ecstatic too to finally get to 3x10. I seem to putter out a rep with each set. So it's like 8, 7, 6...0
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trigden1991 wrote: »New low of 210.4lbs today which puts me at 14lbs down from December 31st.
Don't think I've been this light (or un-fat) for over 6 years, which is nice!
Looking forward to a massive 48hr refeed and 10 days at maintenance before the next dieting phase.
What was your calorie goal and what did your activity goal look like?1 -
mom23mangos wrote: »^Agreed. I'd be super ecstatic too to finally get to 3x10. I seem to putter out a rep with each set. So it's like 8, 7, 6...
Yeah. That was totally me. UNTIL LAST NIGHT!!!3 -
jseams1234 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »Gallowmere1984 wrote: »@JoRocka it’s getting there. Had some bloodwork done recently out of curiosity, and got some rather unexpected results. It’ll be about four more weeks before I find out exactly how well I am responding to the dosing protocol, but early indicators are looking very good.
Knowing now that I’ve been playing against a stacked deck for who knows how long makes me even more confident that I’ve been doing a whole lot of stuff right, to get as far as I have.
Do you think that PSMF had an impact on your health?
Nah, it’s nothing diet related, at least not in this context. Basically, it just turned out that I have the natural hormone profile of a corpse. Literally everything from test, to E2, to T3 was low as hell.
Contest shape bodybuilders don’t even get numbers like what I had when they’re at their absolute leanest, I never got below 10% BF, and I’d been in a mild surplus for months.
On the other hand, all of my blood counts, lipids hbA1c and metabolic panel are fantastic. That kinda surprised me a little as well, given how many years I spent as morbidly obese.
That really sucks. I went through this a little over a year ago. They are still trying to dial me in. I actually have to go in today to see my endo and tomorrow for a meeting with the hospital pharmacist. My last blood work a couple of weeks ago put me at supraphysiological levels when I should of been in my trough - although my E levels were normal and all my blood work otherwise was perfect. They seem confused and I was very surprised. My current cut might be the reason but I'll see what the doc thinks. I just wish they could figure this roller coaster out. I like the weekly protocol and I feel great but I know they won't let me continue with these levels. I just hope they don't try to force me back to the bi-weekly setup we started with. That was not a fun ride.
Anyhow - just hit 210 (from 240) on this cut. Looks like I need to drop another 10 Starting to get some joint irritation and tendinitis - bought some wraps and braces for my elbows that seem to help. I don't want to lower intensity at all during but it's looking like I need a deload of some sort.
Honestly man, I’ve found my 2x/week dosing to be pretty amazing so far as dodging the roller coaster goes. Unfortunately, the standard is still either 1x/week or once every two weeks, which is just god awful. Luckily, since I’m pinning myself, I have complete control over that, and just divided my dosage in half and do it every 3.5 days.
The dudes on a certain forum of ill repute were very helpful in helping me with things to look for, how to talk to my uro, etc. One good thing about bodybuilders who run gear is that they all end up on some form of TRT eventually, so there are a lot of very knowledgeable guys out there, and they always have at least a few “rogue” medical practitioners who back up the things they are saying.0 -
DawnOfTheDead_Lift wrote: »trigden1991 wrote: »New low of 210.4lbs today which puts me at 14lbs down from December 31st.
Don't think I've been this light (or un-fat) for over 6 years, which is nice!
Looking forward to a massive 48hr refeed and 10 days at maintenance before the next dieting phase.
What was your calorie goal and what did your activity goal look like?
My activity (step count) has been pitiful as the weather has been awful and I refuse to do cardio at the start of a cut.
I have been using a CKD, with 2200 cals For 5 days with 2 days of high carbohydrate refeeding. My maintenance is somewhere around 3200 with this low activity.2 -
Getting close to graduating from suck to passable. 325 for ten on deads felt easy this morning after 3x5 with the same. Left some in the tank, so we’ll see what an all out effort looks like with 355, during my Realization set next week.2
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Had a minor set back with a stomach bug and flu, had to take a week off training to rest. I was supposed to be getting into my mini-cut by now but I am pushing everything back and shortening my mini-cut... I realized based on my current physique I really don't need 5-6 weeks to lean down, maybe 2-3 to drop some water weight and bloat. So I'm on the bulk train for at least another 2-3 weeks. Woohoo.5
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Had a minor set back with a stomach bug and flu, had to take a week off training to rest. I was supposed to be getting into my mini-cut by now but I am pushing everything back and shortening my mini-cut... I realized based on my current physique I really don't need 5-6 weeks to lean down, maybe 2-3 to drop some water weight and bloat. So I'm on the bulk train for at least another 2-3 weeks. Woohoo.
Sounds great! Good luck on your continued bulk!1 -
Check this out!!! I finally whooshed off almost 5 pounds in the last 5 days or so!
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Check this out!!! I finally whooshed off almost 5 pounds in the last 5 days or so!
Damn straight!!!2 -
Scale’s leveled off again (174) after the recent spike. Feeling great though, hitting PRs in all of the things, and not looking too much worse for the wear.
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Check this out!!! I finally whooshed off almost 5 pounds in the last 5 days or so!
Nice, that 8 pound drop is great but that 5% BF drop is really impressive!1 -
Update:
Cut going well. Feel flat and glycogen depleted but sticking to my guns and high protein, low(ish) carbs and fat. Got rid of the Buddha belly and kinda starting to get abs. Still think I need to cut another 10 pounds but starting to want to take a break and eat some spaghetti. lol
Lifts haven't suffered too much. Actually pressing 270 3x5 on my power day - which is kinda where I was at when I was Huge Fluffy Dude. However, volume has been lowered. Only doing 3 sets unless I'm feeling especially chipper that day and those days aren't very common at this point.
.... pull-ups sure got easier though.
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Still at the bulk since August, and will continue to be until the abs start to fade. Scale’s been hovering around 181 for the last few days, and I’m about to head into a high volume block. Last week’s testing sessions for each lift went fairly well.
Bench: 200 for 6.
Squat: 305 for 6.
Overhead: 140 for 7.
Deadlift: 395 for 7.
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Cut going well.... slowing down dramatically, but that may be a good thing. I lost a bit quicker than recommended - although I seem to have maintained most of my muscle (no loss in strength at all) - high protein low fat lowish carb protocol. Still have a ways to go.
I do have a strange question - wife took a picture of my back the other day because she said it's looking like I'm getting a lot of "freckles". I've always had a pretty even complexion, but there is a lot of hyper-pigmentation on my back that wasn't there before I started this cut. Has anybody ever experienced anything like this?
No, it's not hair (lol) and no I haven't been in the sun.
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jseams1234 wrote: »Cut going well.... slowing down dramatically, but that may be a good thing. I lost a bit quicker than recommended - although I seem to have maintained most of my muscle (no loss in strength at all) - high protein low fat lowish carb protocol. Still have a ways to go.
I do have a strange question - wife took a picture of my back the other day because she said it's looking like I'm getting a lot of "freckles". I've always had a pretty even complexion, but there is a lot of hyper-pigmentation on my back that wasn't there before I started this cut. Has anybody ever experienced anything like this?
No, it's not hair (lol) and no I haven't been in the sun.
Hmmm...I feel like I get new freckles daily so I wouldn't even give it a second thought. If you're concerned, try going to a dermatologist.
You're looking great.2 -
So didn't want to derail the other post but still wanted to discuss our bulking @Davidsdottir !
Do you usually stay very lean when you bulk? Or what are you doing differently this time around?
I am 12 lbs up.. honestly I'm not huge, but I am definitely not lean. I don't feel ready to cut but I don't fit in any of my clothes (even my workout clothes are starting to rip apart.. yea not good!) so I am bulking for the rest of the month then it's cut city for me.1 -
So didn't want to derail the other post but still wanted to discuss our bulking @Davidsdottir !
Do you usually stay very lean when you bulk? Or what are you doing differently this time around?
I am 12 lbs up.. honestly I'm not huge, but I am definitely not lean. I don't feel ready to cut but I don't fit in any of my clothes (even my workout clothes are starting to rip apart.. yea not good!) so I am bulking for the rest of the month then it's cut city for me.
I've had both lean and dirty bulks. My first one I only went four months, gained 10 lbs, and thought I was fat. Looking back, I wish I would've kept going. For previous bulks I stupidly did bro splits. This time I'm doing more of an upper/lower five days a week. The additional volume is helping.
I'd say the main difference with this bulk is that I'm hitting the sweet spot with calories and also have my ptogramming on point. I've outgrown some clothes and only one pair of jeans (the one pair with absolutely no stretch in them). I'm also more patient now than I have been in the past and that makes a huge difference.
I'm 5'5" and once I hit 145 I want to recomp/ cut down to no less than 140. I started my first bulk at 114 lbs and started this current one at 126.0 -
Davidsdottir wrote: »So didn't want to derail the other post but still wanted to discuss our bulking @Davidsdottir !
Do you usually stay very lean when you bulk? Or what are you doing differently this time around?
I am 12 lbs up.. honestly I'm not huge, but I am definitely not lean. I don't feel ready to cut but I don't fit in any of my clothes (even my workout clothes are starting to rip apart.. yea not good!) so I am bulking for the rest of the month then it's cut city for me.
I've had both lean and dirty bulks. My first one I only went four months, gained 10 lbs, and thought I was fat. Looking back, I wish I would've kept going. For previous bulks I stupidly did bro splits. This time I'm doing more of an upper/lower five days a week. The additional volume is helping.
I'd say the main difference with this bulk is that I'm hitting the sweet spot with calories and also have my ptogramming on point. I've outgrown some clothes and only one pair of jeans (the one pair with absolutely no stretch in them). I'm also more patient now than I have been in the past and that makes a huge difference.
I'm 5'5" and once I hit 145 I want to recomp/ cut down to no less than 140. I started my first bulk at 114 lbs and started this current one at 126.
Yea that's awesome! I love how you don't really even need to cut. I need to cut at least 6-8lbs for sure (so half of what I am gaining). You must have a terrific muscle base. I don't think I am there yet. I am lacking in a lot of areas. While this is my third bulk, I had a baby between my first and second one so it kind of set me back quite a bit in the muscle building department.0 -
Davidsdottir wrote: »So didn't want to derail the other post but still wanted to discuss our bulking @Davidsdottir !
Do you usually stay very lean when you bulk? Or what are you doing differently this time around?
I am 12 lbs up.. honestly I'm not huge, but I am definitely not lean. I don't feel ready to cut but I don't fit in any of my clothes (even my workout clothes are starting to rip apart.. yea not good!) so I am bulking for the rest of the month then it's cut city for me.
I've had both lean and dirty bulks. My first one I only went four months, gained 10 lbs, and thought I was fat. Looking back, I wish I would've kept going. For previous bulks I stupidly did bro splits. This time I'm doing more of an upper/lower five days a week. The additional volume is helping.
I'd say the main difference with this bulk is that I'm hitting the sweet spot with calories and also have my ptogramming on point. I've outgrown some clothes and only one pair of jeans (the one pair with absolutely no stretch in them). I'm also more patient now than I have been in the past and that makes a huge difference.
I'm 5'5" and once I hit 145 I want to recomp/ cut down to no less than 140. I started my first bulk at 114 lbs and started this current one at 126.
Yea that's awesome! I love how you don't really even need to cut. I need to cut at least 6-8lbs for sure (so half of what I am gaining). You must have a terrific muscle base. I don't think I am there yet. I am lacking in a lot of areas. While this is my third bulk, I had a baby between my first and second one so it kind of set me back quite a bit in the muscle building department.
I'm trying to straddle that fine line of optimizing muscle gain while minimizing fat gains... luckily I have a lot of wonderful friends supporting me through this and reminding me of my end goal. Babies make things tougher for sure. Something no man will ever have to deal with body-wise. Sounds like you're doing a great job to me.0 -
Davidsdottir wrote: »Davidsdottir wrote: »So didn't want to derail the other post but still wanted to discuss our bulking @Davidsdottir !
Do you usually stay very lean when you bulk? Or what are you doing differently this time around?
I am 12 lbs up.. honestly I'm not huge, but I am definitely not lean. I don't feel ready to cut but I don't fit in any of my clothes (even my workout clothes are starting to rip apart.. yea not good!) so I am bulking for the rest of the month then it's cut city for me.
I've had both lean and dirty bulks. My first one I only went four months, gained 10 lbs, and thought I was fat. Looking back, I wish I would've kept going. For previous bulks I stupidly did bro splits. This time I'm doing more of an upper/lower five days a week. The additional volume is helping.
I'd say the main difference with this bulk is that I'm hitting the sweet spot with calories and also have my ptogramming on point. I've outgrown some clothes and only one pair of jeans (the one pair with absolutely no stretch in them). I'm also more patient now than I have been in the past and that makes a huge difference.
I'm 5'5" and once I hit 145 I want to recomp/ cut down to no less than 140. I started my first bulk at 114 lbs and started this current one at 126.
Yea that's awesome! I love how you don't really even need to cut. I need to cut at least 6-8lbs for sure (so half of what I am gaining). You must have a terrific muscle base. I don't think I am there yet. I am lacking in a lot of areas. While this is my third bulk, I had a baby between my first and second one so it kind of set me back quite a bit in the muscle building department.
I'm trying to straddle that fine line of optimizing muscle gain while minimizing fat gains... luckily I have a lot of wonderful friends supporting me through this and reminding me of my end goal. Babies make things tougher for sure. Something no man will ever have to deal with body-wise. Sounds like you're doing a great job to me.
Thanks! Yea I mean I am super happy with my progress, I feel like this is my best bulk yet. I don't want it to end but I'm also getting burnt out. My body is like "enough with this surplus and gain.. we are turning off all your hunger signals, how you like that!" Arg. Oh well just gotta keep pushing.0 -
I feel like I've been perma bulking since 2015. I really need to stop gaining weight.2
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