why were people so skinny in the 70s?
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dgarwood8181 wrote: »I believe the main reason for obesity is our food sources. Almost everything is now processed with MSG or "Natural Flavors" and that causes you to eat more. Look at the labels of the food you eat, MSG is now hidden on the labels, and in the manufacturing. Some sources: MSG, "Natural Flavors", Yeast Extract, Citric Acid, Soy Sauce. The list goes on and on. I recently discovered this and removed all the food in my home that was high in Glutamates, it was about 90% of the food in my pantry. I also believe there is a strong case that it is the cause of other neurological problems like Autism.
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/IVhistoryOfUse.html
In the 70's mothers still shopped two to three times a week, so food was in their whole state when prepared. Breakfast, lunches, and dinners were prepared with some consideration involved and not by a microwave. Although food processing was invented in 1809 by Nicols Appert for bottle stuff for French troops. The flooding of processed foods in America did not become mainstream till the introduction of the microwave oven to the American public. While the first microwave was sold publicly in 1955 as "radarange", it was so big and expensive the general public could not afford it. It was not until the 1970's when the mass production brought down prices to a point that middle-class families could afford to buy microwaves for their homes. Now the processing of our foods is in high gear. 1977 economy forces mothers out of the kitchen and back into the workforce, so families could afford to send their kids to college and retire without starving to death. This introduced snack foods, fast food restaurants that were cheap in comparison to feeding a family of 4 at home. The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up. Physical education in the late 70's and early eighties is being decreased in schools across the country along with an unhealthy lunch offering to students, cause mothers were no longer packing lunches as often. The late 70's enters television sets in every home, the first home computers and the Atari gaming system which drove kids and parents alike from healthy outdoor activities with family to indoors gathered around some device that entertains them, but does nothing for their need for an active lifestyle. If you look at the data being published the late 60's and early 70's was the beginning of the obesity problem in America. It also did not help that with these new processed foods, you got more and more chemicals which hamper our health and nutrition. Just my 2 cents as an Emergency Room Nurse on the subject.
I'm completely unclear why you think being an emergency room nurse gives you authority speaking about historical, cultural, and economic trends of the 1970s.20 -
dgarwood8181 wrote: »I believe the main reason for obesity is our food sources. Almost everything is now processed with MSG or "Natural Flavors" and that causes you to eat more. Look at the labels of the food you eat, MSG is now hidden on the labels, and in the manufacturing. Some sources: MSG, "Natural Flavors", Yeast Extract, Citric Acid, Soy Sauce. The list goes on and on. I recently discovered this and removed all the food in my home that was high in Glutamates, it was about 90% of the food in my pantry. I also believe there is a strong case that it is the cause of other neurological problems like Autism.
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/IVhistoryOfUse.html
In the 70's mothers still shopped two to three times a week, so food was in their whole state when prepared. Breakfast, lunches, and dinners were prepared with some consideration involved and not by a microwave. Although food processing was invented in 1809 by Nicols Appert for bottle stuff for French troops. The flooding of processed foods in America did not become mainstream till the introduction of the microwave oven to the American public. While the first microwave was sold publicly in 1955 as "radarange", it was so big and expensive the general public could not afford it. It was not until the 1970's when the mass production brought down prices to a point that middle-class families could afford to buy microwaves for their homes. Now the processing of our foods is in high gear. 1977 economy forces mothers out of the kitchen and back into the workforce, so families could afford to send their kids to college and retire without starving to death. This introduced snack foods, fast food restaurants that were cheap in comparison to feeding a family of 4 at home. The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up. Physical education in the late 70's and early eighties is being decreased in schools across the country along with an unhealthy lunch offering to students, cause mothers were no longer packing lunches as often. The late 70's enters television sets in every home, the first home computers and the Atari gaming system which drove kids and parents alike from healthy outdoor activities with family to indoors gathered around some device that entertains them, but does nothing for their need for an active lifestyle. If you look at the data being published the late 60's and early 70's was the beginning of the obesity problem in America. It also did not help that with these new processed foods, you got more and more chemicals which hamper our health and nutrition. Just my 2 cents as an Emergency Room Nurse on the subject.
Processed food went into high gear right after WWII. We never had a microwave but we still ate plenty of mac 'n cheese, rainbow bread, frozen dinners, hamburger helper, potato chips, stove top stuffing, etc, etc, etc...the list could go on an on.
I would say there is a greater variety of similar or the same products...but there was tons of processed food in the 70s.5 -
dgarwood8181 wrote: »I believe the main reason for obesity is our food sources. Almost everything is now processed with MSG or "Natural Flavors" and that causes you to eat more. Look at the labels of the food you eat, MSG is now hidden on the labels, and in the manufacturing. Some sources: MSG, "Natural Flavors", Yeast Extract, Citric Acid, Soy Sauce. The list goes on and on. I recently discovered this and removed all the food in my home that was high in Glutamates, it was about 90% of the food in my pantry. I also believe there is a strong case that it is the cause of other neurological problems like Autism.
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/IVhistoryOfUse.html
In the 70's mothers still shopped two to three times a week, so food was in their whole state when prepared. Breakfast, lunches, and dinners were prepared with some consideration involved and not by a microwave. Although food processing was invented in 1809 by Nicols Appert for bottle stuff for French troops. The flooding of processed foods in America did not become mainstream till the introduction of the microwave oven to the American public. While the first microwave was sold publicly in 1955 as "radarange", it was so big and expensive the general public could not afford it. It was not until the 1970's when the mass production brought down prices to a point that middle-class families could afford to buy microwaves for their homes. Now the processing of our foods is in high gear. 1977 economy forces mothers out of the kitchen and back into the workforce, so families could afford to send their kids to college and retire without starving to death. This introduced snack foods, fast food restaurants that were cheap in comparison to feeding a family of 4 at home. The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up. Physical education in the late 70's and early eighties is being decreased in schools across the country along with an unhealthy lunch offering to students, cause mothers were no longer packing lunches as often. The late 70's enters television sets in every home, the first home computers and the Atari gaming system which drove kids and parents alike from healthy outdoor activities with family to indoors gathered around some device that entertains them, but does nothing for their need for an active lifestyle. If you look at the data being published the late 60's and early 70's was the beginning of the obesity problem in America. It also did not help that with these new processed foods, you got more and more chemicals which hamper our health and nutrition. Just my 2 cents as an Emergency Room Nurse on the subject.
Have to disagree with just about all of this.
1. I graduated HS in 1980, so I grew up in the 70's... we ate fast food as a family at least 2 times a week, and depending on how much overtime my father was working, sometimes more.
2. By the time I was a senior, I was eating more fast food than home-cooked food because of school activities/work and missing meal times at home
3. We had processed food - mac&cheese, canned veggies, boxed potatoes, white bread, etc
4. we never had a microwave at home
5. my mother never worked outside the home
6. I routinely (as did all of my friends) ate snack cakes, packaged cookies, chips, etc.
7. I took my lunch to school because it was cheaper than buying lunch (and better tasting food)
8. There were very few overweight kids in my high school (it was a small enough number that it was actually noticed - unlike today)
I weighed 150 lbs soaking wet when I graduated HS. I didn't gain any significant weight until after college when I got a desk job and stopped moving so much while still eating the same amount of food as before.
Oh, and please name all of these harmful chemicals that we are putting in the foods... I always see people say 'its the chemicals' that cause us problems but I have yet to see anyone name the chemicals and show scientific proof of any damage that the nasty chemicals have caused.
edited for spelling and clarity
First, there is no reason to get nasty toward my post. I was stating information retrieved from medical sources. like The National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, which states that "since 1980 child obesity rates have tripled with the rates of obese 6- to 11-year-olds more than doubling (from 7.0 percent to 17.5 percent) and rates of obese teens (ages 12 to 19) quadrupling from 5 percent to 20.5 percent" [NHANES, 2011-2014 data]" "It further goes on to say that nealy half of americans drink sugar sweetened beverages on a given day and most americans exceed recommended levels of solid fats, added sugar and sodium." If you will look at my post more closely. I am saying in the 1970's people were skinner at the beginning of the decade, but at the end, they were starting to gain wait for all the reasons you mentioned and we as Americans continue to get further from our food is in its natural state, which our body requires to be healthy. You are correct there were non-microwaveable foods that would be cooked on the stove that was highly processed. However, those foods are even farther from their natural state today. Look at mac n cheese. It no longer has the powdered cheese, but a big packet of over processed creamy cheddar cheese that has been highly processed, so it will keep longer on the shelf. That is all accomplished with chemicals. Take all this with the decline in activity of all Americans and it adds to an increase in weight. Those processed foods are higher in calories for the amount of food you eat, which means it takes more processed food to make your body feel stronger. A grand Big Mac and a Large diet coke come in at 1150 calories with 52 g of fat and 152 g of carbs. This doe does not even include a large fry. This is what I was trying to say earlier. The calories of the means compared to when we were kids were not as calorie dense. From the 1980's on it has steadily gotten worse.
Here is the link to the article I referenced for you to read. https://stateofobesity.org/obesity-rates-trends-overview/12 -
dgarwood8181 wrote: »
First, there is no reason to get nasty toward my post. I was stating information retrieved from medical sources. like The National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, which states that "since 1980 child obesity rates have tripled with the rates of obese 6- to 11-year-olds more than doubling (from 7.0 percent to 17.5 percent) and rates of obese teens (ages 12 to 19) quadrupling from 5 percent to 20.5 percent" [NHANES, 2011-2014 data]" "It further goes on to say that nealy half of americans drink sugar sweetened beverages on a given day and most americans exceed recommended levels of solid fats, added sugar and sodium." If you will look at my post more closely. I am saying in the 1970's people were skinner at the beginning of the decade, but at the end, they were starting to gain wait for all the reasons you mentioned and we as Americans continue to get further from our food is in its natural state, which our body requires to be healthy. You are correct there were non-microwaveable foods that would be cooked on the stove that was highly processed. However, those foods are even farther from their natural state today. Look at mac n cheese. It no longer has the powdered cheese, but a big packet of over processed creamy cheddar cheese that has been highly processed, so it will keep longer on the shelf. That is all accomplished with chemicals. Take all this with the decline in activity of all Americans and it adds to an increase in weight. Those processed foods are higher in calories for the amount of food you eat, which means it takes more processed food to make your body feel stronger. A grand Big Mac and a Large diet coke come in at 1150 calories with 52 g of fat and 152 g of carbs. This doe does not even include a large fry. This is what I was trying to say earlier. The calories of the means compared to when we were kids were not as calorie dense. From the 1980's on it has steadily gotten worse.
Here is the link to the article I referenced for you to read. https://stateofobesity.org/obesity-rates-trends-overview/
How did you determine that packet of cheese powder is further from nature than a packet of creamy cheese? Chemicals and preservatives are involved in the production of both.9 -
dgarwood8181 wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I believe the main reason for obesity is our food sources. Almost everything is now processed with MSG or "Natural Flavors" and that causes you to eat more. Look at the labels of the food you eat, MSG is now hidden on the labels, and in the manufacturing. Some sources: MSG, "Natural Flavors", Yeast Extract, Citric Acid, Soy Sauce. The list goes on and on. I recently discovered this and removed all the food in my home that was high in Glutamates, it was about 90% of the food in my pantry. I also believe there is a strong case that it is the cause of other neurological problems like Autism.
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/IVhistoryOfUse.html
In the 70's mothers still shopped two to three times a week, so food was in their whole state when prepared. Breakfast, lunches, and dinners were prepared with some consideration involved and not by a microwave. Although food processing was invented in 1809 by Nicols Appert for bottle stuff for French troops. The flooding of processed foods in America did not become mainstream till the introduction of the microwave oven to the American public. While the first microwave was sold publicly in 1955 as "radarange", it was so big and expensive the general public could not afford it. It was not until the 1970's when the mass production brought down prices to a point that middle-class families could afford to buy microwaves for their homes. Now the processing of our foods is in high gear. 1977 economy forces mothers out of the kitchen and back into the workforce, so families could afford to send their kids to college and retire without starving to death. This introduced snack foods, fast food restaurants that were cheap in comparison to feeding a family of 4 at home. The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up. Physical education in the late 70's and early eighties is being decreased in schools across the country along with an unhealthy lunch offering to students, cause mothers were no longer packing lunches as often. The late 70's enters television sets in every home, the first home computers and the Atari gaming system which drove kids and parents alike from healthy outdoor activities with family to indoors gathered around some device that entertains them, but does nothing for their need for an active lifestyle. If you look at the data being published the late 60's and early 70's was the beginning of the obesity problem in America. It also did not help that with these new processed foods, you got more and more chemicals which hamper our health and nutrition. Just my 2 cents as an Emergency Room Nurse on the subject.
Have to disagree with just about all of this.
1. I graduated HS in 1980, so I grew up in the 70's... we ate fast food as a family at least 2 times a week, and depending on how much overtime my father was working, sometimes more.
2. By the time I was a senior, I was eating more fast food than home-cooked food because of school activities/work and missing meal times at home
3. We had processed food - mac&cheese, canned veggies, boxed potatoes, white bread, etc
4. we never had a microwave at home
5. my mother never worked outside the home
6. I routinely (as did all of my friends) ate snack cakes, packaged cookies, chips, etc.
7. I took my lunch to school because it was cheaper than buying lunch (and better tasting food)
8. There were very few overweight kids in my high school (it was a small enough number that it was actually noticed - unlike today)
I weighed 150 lbs soaking wet when I graduated HS. I didn't gain any significant weight until after college when I got a desk job and stopped moving so much while still eating the same amount of food as before.
Oh, and please name all of these harmful chemicals that we are putting in the foods... I always see people say 'its the chemicals' that cause us problems but I have yet to see anyone name the chemicals and show scientific proof of any damage that the nasty chemicals have caused.
edited for spelling and clarity
First, there is no reason to get nasty toward my post. I was stating information retrieved from medical sources. like The National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, which states that "since 1980 child obesity rates have tripled with the rates of obese 6- to 11-year-olds more than doubling (from 7.0 percent to 17.5 percent) and rates of obese teens (ages 12 to 19) quadrupling from 5 percent to 20.5 percent" [NHANES, 2011-2014 data]" "It further goes on to say that nealy half of americans drink sugar sweetened beverages on a given day and most americans exceed recommended levels of solid fats, added sugar and sodium." If you will look at my post more closely. I am saying in the 1970's people were skinner at the beginning of the decade, but at the end, they were starting to gain wait for all the reasons you mentioned and we as Americans continue to get further from our food is in its natural state, which our body requires to be healthy. You are correct there were non-microwaveable foods that would be cooked on the stove that was highly processed. However, those foods are even farther from their natural state today. Look at mac n cheese. It no longer has the powdered cheese, but a big packet of over processed creamy cheddar cheese that has been highly processed, so it will keep longer on the shelf. That is all accomplished with chemicals. Take all this with the decline in activity of all Americans and it adds to an increase in weight. Those processed foods are higher in calories for the amount of food you eat, which means it takes more processed food to make your body feel stronger. A grand Big Mac and a Large diet coke come in at 1150 calories with 52 g of fat and 152 g of carbs. This doe does not even include a large fry. This is what I was trying to say earlier. The calories of the means compared to when we were kids were not as calorie dense. From the 1980's on it has steadily gotten worse.
Here is the link to the article I referenced for you to read. https://stateofobesity.org/obesity-rates-trends-overview/
Disagreeing with you was nasty?9 -
I was born in 1970, and growing up I was never overweight or fat. I graduated hs at about 120 and at 5'8" I was quite skinny. I grew up eating what my grandparents grew in the garden and the fields. There was no microwaves or processed foods and not a whole lot of candy and junk foods around. I was always outside playing. A horrible punishment for me was not being allowed outside. I rode my bike, ran, swam, climbed trees and worked on the farm. It wasn't until the mid 90's and my second child that I started gaining weight. I was in the military for almost 10 years so I was able to keep it off running and staying active. I also developed hernias that were persistant and non healing. I have had 6 hernia surgeries over the years and have had 5 kids. Each hernia coinsided with each kid. I can't really even blame my weight gain on my kids as I gained most of this weight in the past 10 years and my youngest is 13. I love food, period!!! I love to eat, and all the wrong stuff. I can eat a lot, too. I don't do fast food anymore, or soda's, and I have narrowed it down to how much I'm eating. I have been running for the past year and have dropped about 40 pounds and am still working my way down to 135. I was anorexic in hs and have a disorder that makes all mirrors into circus mirrors, and I know that is working against me. When I was in hs I had a fear of getting fat and thought I looked fat and needed to work out. I did and I put myself in the hospital at 104 pounds and I STILL thought I was fat. So, I blame the weight explosion on processed food and lack of exercise and all that goes with it. It also seems to me that every invention is this world anymore seems to be geared towards laziness.1
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Oh, and please name all of these harmful chemicals that we are putting in the foods... I always see people say 'its the chemicals' that cause us problems but I have yet to see anyone name the chemicals and show scientific proof of any damage that the nasty chemicals have caused.
edited for spelling and clarity
this statement of begging me to make reference to chemicals is asking for me to say it so he can attack me. Just like everyone else in this forum. I gave a logical explanation backed by evidence as asked. The cheese powder was made in a very different way because it was taken to a dehydrated state, where more chemicals have to be added to the cheese sauce packets to make them stay on the shelf longer. I can research in the Cochrane Systematic Review database and find the links to several hormones and antibiotics that are placed in our food today that are causing you, girls, to develop breast tissue earlier, which places them at a high risk for developing breast cancer in their lives. Also, the heavy use of antibiotics in food has now produced some of the most drug-resistant strains of bacteria we have ever seen. So that is all I am going to say about that.
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please go back and read my post. I am speaking of the 70's and why we were skinny and the obesity problem coming in the late 70's and early eighties. We changed the way we ate and continued do activities together as a family in the seventies. We all went out to play after school and stayed out till the street lights come on. In the 80's this changed with computer games and watching hours of TV.6
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dgarwood8181 wrote: »Oh, and please name all of these harmful chemicals that we are putting in the foods... I always see people say 'its the chemicals' that cause us problems but I have yet to see anyone name the chemicals and show scientific proof of any damage that the nasty chemicals have caused.
edited for spelling and clarity
this statement of begging me to make reference to chemicals is asking for me to say it so he can attack me. Just like everyone else in this forum. I gave a logical explanation backed by evidence as asked. The cheese powder was made in a very different way because it was taken to a dehydrated state, where more chemicals have to be added to the cheese sauce packets to make them stay on the shelf longer. I can research in the Cochrane Systematic Review database and find the links to several hormones and antibiotics that are placed in our food today that are causing you, girls, to develop breast tissue earlier, which places them at a high risk for developing breast cancer in their lives. Also, the heavy use of antibiotics in food has now produced some of the most drug-resistant strains of bacteria we have ever seen. So that is all I am going to say about that.
Alternate suggestion: Nobody knows what chemicals you're referring to and someone is asking so they can understand your argument. If you know the chemicals you're referring to and don't want to share, then why even bother to post?
Is the argument that "more chemicals" is further from nature? Again, it would be helpful for you to clarify what chemicals you're referring to. I don't think of Kraft mac and cheese powder as particularly natural, so I'm not following your argument here.
I would be interested to see the proof that links specific chemicals conclusively to the early development of breast tissue. I know this is a theory, but I was unaware that it has been proven already.
Also, this site is 18 and up only, so you're addressing women here, not any girls.12 -
dgarwood8181 wrote: »please go back and read my post. I am speaking of the 70's and why we were skinny and the obesity problem coming in the late 70's and early eighties. We changed the way we ate and continued do activities together as a family in the seventies. We all went out to play after school and stayed out till the street lights come on. In the 80's this changed with computer games and watching hours of TV.
There was no one universal mode of living in the 1970s. "We" didn't all do anything then, just as we don't all do anything now.
There may be overall trends in a society, but there were people in the 1970s that sat around watching TV or didn't spend a lot of time with their family. There were people in the 1980s who didn't watch lots of TV and spent lots of time with their family.
To talk about any decade as if it had just one type of behavior doesn't make sense.
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All of you need to go back and read. I did not make mention of chemicals in my first post. I quoted someone that did, cause I was answering him. If you read everything that was said in my post it has been said by all of you and everyone agreed with them. and the women girls thing. I never addressed anyone as either.7
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dgarwood8181 wrote: »All of you need to go back and read. I did not make mention of chemicals in my first post. I quoted someone that did, cause I was answering him. If you read everything that was said in my post it has been said by all of you and everyone agreed with them. and the women girls thing. I never addressed anyone as either.
You wrote this in your post: "The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up." This is why you were asked about chemicals, because you wrote about them in your post.
The reason why I clarified that you were not addressing girls is because you wrote this: "I can research in the Cochrane Systematic Review database and find the links to several hormones and antibiotics that are placed in our food today that are causing you, girls, to develop breast tissue earlier . . . " There are no girls in your audience (assuming that everyone here is following MFP guidelines and is over 18).
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dgarwood8181 wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I believe the main reason for obesity is our food sources. Almost everything is now processed with MSG or "Natural Flavors" and that causes you to eat more. Look at the labels of the food you eat, MSG is now hidden on the labels, and in the manufacturing. Some sources: MSG, "Natural Flavors", Yeast Extract, Citric Acid, Soy Sauce. The list goes on and on. I recently discovered this and removed all the food in my home that was high in Glutamates, it was about 90% of the food in my pantry. I also believe there is a strong case that it is the cause of other neurological problems like Autism.
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/IVhistoryOfUse.html
In the 70's mothers still shopped two to three times a week, so food was in their whole state when prepared. Breakfast, lunches, and dinners were prepared with some consideration involved and not by a microwave. Although food processing was invented in 1809 by Nicols Appert for bottle stuff for French troops. The flooding of processed foods in America did not become mainstream till the introduction of the microwave oven to the American public. While the first microwave was sold publicly in 1955 as "radarange", it was so big and expensive the general public could not afford it. It was not until the 1970's when the mass production brought down prices to a point that middle-class families could afford to buy microwaves for their homes. Now the processing of our foods is in high gear. 1977 economy forces mothers out of the kitchen and back into the workforce, so families could afford to send their kids to college and retire without starving to death. This introduced snack foods, fast food restaurants that were cheap in comparison to feeding a family of 4 at home. The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up. Physical education in the late 70's and early eighties is being decreased in schools across the country along with an unhealthy lunch offering to students, cause mothers were no longer packing lunches as often. The late 70's enters television sets in every home, the first home computers and the Atari gaming system which drove kids and parents alike from healthy outdoor activities with family to indoors gathered around some device that entertains them, but does nothing for their need for an active lifestyle. If you look at the data being published the late 60's and early 70's was the beginning of the obesity problem in America. It also did not help that with these new processed foods, you got more and more chemicals which hamper our health and nutrition. Just my 2 cents as an Emergency Room Nurse on the subject.
Have to disagree with just about all of this.
1. I graduated HS in 1980, so I grew up in the 70's... we ate fast food as a family at least 2 times a week, and depending on how much overtime my father was working, sometimes more.
2. By the time I was a senior, I was eating more fast food than home-cooked food because of school activities/work and missing meal times at home
3. We had processed food - mac&cheese, canned veggies, boxed potatoes, white bread, etc
4. we never had a microwave at home
5. my mother never worked outside the home
6. I routinely (as did all of my friends) ate snack cakes, packaged cookies, chips, etc.
7. I took my lunch to school because it was cheaper than buying lunch (and better tasting food)
8. There were very few overweight kids in my high school (it was a small enough number that it was actually noticed - unlike today)
I weighed 150 lbs soaking wet when I graduated HS. I didn't gain any significant weight until after college when I got a desk job and stopped moving so much while still eating the same amount of food as before.
Oh, and please name all of these harmful chemicals that we are putting in the foods... I always see people say 'its the chemicals' that cause us problems but I have yet to see anyone name the chemicals and show scientific proof of any damage that the nasty chemicals have caused.
edited for spelling and clarity
First, there is no reason to get nasty toward my post. I was stating information retrieved from medical sources. like The National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey, which states that "since 1980 child obesity rates have tripled with the rates of obese 6- to 11-year-olds more than doubling (from 7.0 percent to 17.5 percent) and rates of obese teens (ages 12 to 19) quadrupling from 5 percent to 20.5 percent" [NHANES, 2011-2014 data]" "It further goes on to say that nealy half of americans drink sugar sweetened beverages on a given day and most americans exceed recommended levels of solid fats, added sugar and sodium." If you will look at my post more closely. I am saying in the 1970's people were skinner at the beginning of the decade, but at the end, they were starting to gain wait for all the reasons you mentioned and we as Americans continue to get further from our food is in its natural state, which our body requires to be healthy. You are correct there were non-microwaveable foods that would be cooked on the stove that was highly processed. However, those foods are even farther from their natural state today. Look at mac n cheese. It no longer has the powdered cheese, but a big packet of over processed creamy cheddar cheese that has been highly processed, so it will keep longer on the shelf. That is all accomplished with chemicals. Take all this with the decline in activity of all Americans and it adds to an increase in weight. Those processed foods are higher in calories for the amount of food you eat, which means it takes more processed food to make your body feel stronger. A grand Big Mac and a Large diet coke come in at 1150 calories with 52 g of fat and 152 g of carbs. This doe does not even include a large fry. This is what I was trying to say earlier. The calories of the means compared to when we were kids were not as calorie dense. From the 1980's on it has steadily gotten worse.
Here is the link to the article I referenced for you to read. https://stateofobesity.org/obesity-rates-trends-overview/
To respond - I did not get nasty, I merely disagreed with what you said and then added as to why I disagreed.dgarwood8181 wrote: »Oh, and please name all of these harmful chemicals that we are putting in the foods... I always see people say 'its the chemicals' that cause us problems but I have yet to see anyone name the chemicals and show scientific proof of any damage that the nasty chemicals have caused.
edited for spelling and clarity
this statement of begging me to make reference to chemicals is asking for me to say it so he can attack me. Just like everyone else in this forum. I gave a logical explanation backed by evidence as asked. The cheese powder was made in a very different way because it was taken to a dehydrated state, where more chemicals have to be added to the cheese sauce packets to make them stay on the shelf longer. I can research in the Cochrane Systematic Review database and find the links to several hormones and antibiotics that are placed in our food today that are causing you, girls, to develop breast tissue earlier, which places them at a high risk for developing breast cancer in their lives. Also, the heavy use of antibiotics in food has now produced some of the most drug-resistant strains of bacteria we have ever seen. So that is all I am going to say about that.
Heck of an assumption you make there... so now, disagreeing with you is attacking you... got it.
Here's an attack then - your example of girls hitting puberty earlier has nothing to do with obesity. Do you have any examples of chemicals (in the highly processed non-natural foods that we are currently eating) that actually lead to obesity?
Also, antibiotics are not placed in food - they might be fed to animals, but they are not placed in food, and the antibiotics for animals are not the cause of the 'superbugs' - over prescription by the medical community for humans is the largest cause.
Also, just as an aside, depending on which box you grab from the shelf, Kraft Mac-n-Cheese still has the little powdered cheese packets that you mix with milk to create the 'cheese' on the macaroni.3 -
I did not mean to place you at the juncture of my sentence. I meant for to just say causing girls. my, apologize for that. The reference to chemicals meant antibiotics, hormones, MGO's, pesticides and the whole list of things that the geek fella said he threw out of his house for being dangerous. My original post was meant to say that society changed drastically in the 70's and so did meal preparation. It did not mean we got fat in the 70's, but a majority of us are fighting weight and obesity issues now and I believe a majority of it can be traced back to overall societal changes in the 70's and 80's as I said.6
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dgarwood8181 wrote: »I did not mean to place you at the juncture of my sentence. I meant for to just say causing girls. my, apologize for that. The reference to chemicals meant antibiotics, hormones, MGO's, pesticides and the whole list of things that the geek fella said he threw out of his house for being dangerous. My original post was meant to say that society changed drastically in the 70's and so did meal preparation. It did not mean we got fat in the 70's, but a majority of us are fighting weight and obesity issues now and I believe a majority of it can be traced back to overall societal changes in the 70's and 80's as I said.
Thanks for clarifying.
The increase in chemicals in the 1970s is only relevant if the chemicals in question lead to obesity. Do they?5 -
Consumption of ultra-processed foods and obesity in Brazilian adolescents and adults https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ypmed.2015.07.018
ultra-processing uses chemicals6 -
dgarwood8181 wrote: »Oh, and please name all of these harmful chemicals that we are putting in the foods... I always see people say 'its the chemicals' that cause us problems but I have yet to see anyone name the chemicals and show scientific proof of any damage that the nasty chemicals have caused.
edited for spelling and clarity
this statement of begging me to make reference to chemicals is asking for me to say it so he can attack me. Just like everyone else in this forum. I gave a logical explanation backed by evidence as asked. The cheese powder was made in a very different way because it was taken to a dehydrated state, where more chemicals have to be added to the cheese sauce packets to make them stay on the shelf longer. I can research in the Cochrane Systematic Review database and find the links to several hormones and antibiotics that are placed in our food today that are causing you, girls, to develop breast tissue earlier, which places them at a high risk for developing breast cancer in their lives. Also, the heavy use of antibiotics in food has now produced some of the most drug-resistant strains of bacteria we have ever seen. So that is all I am going to say about that.
This is the Debate forum, so just be aware, people might debate you, and would certainly appreciate links to peer-reviewed medical publications and studies that support your contentions. Although also be aware that those might also be critiqued, because there is a lot of medical literature that establishes correlative impacts that are then positioned to Joe Public as truefacts without flagging that causitivity has not been established.3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I did not mean to place you at the juncture of my sentence. I meant for to just say causing girls. my, apologize for that. The reference to chemicals meant antibiotics, hormones, MGO's, pesticides and the whole list of things that the geek fella said he threw out of his house for being dangerous. My original post was meant to say that society changed drastically in the 70's and so did meal preparation. It did not mean we got fat in the 70's, but a majority of us are fighting weight and obesity issues now and I believe a majority of it can be traced back to overall societal changes in the 70's and 80's as I said.
Thanks for clarifying.
The increase in chemicals in the 1970s is only relevant if the chemicals in question lead to obesity. Do they?
And if you can name the chemicals and provide peer reviewed studies supporting those claims.... as of now we just have the vague classification of “chemicals” and “less natural” as being the cause of our obesity issues3 -
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dgarwood8181 wrote: »Consumption of ultra-processed foods and obesity in Brazilian adolescents and adults https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ypmed.2015.07.018
ultra-processing uses chemicals
Whether or not ultra-processing uses chemicals is irrelevant to the question of whether or not those chemicals *cause* obesity.
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French_Peasant wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »Oh, and please name all of these harmful chemicals that we are putting in the foods... I always see people say 'its the chemicals' that cause us problems but I have yet to see anyone name the chemicals and show scientific proof of any damage that the nasty chemicals have caused.
edited for spelling and clarity
this statement of begging me to make reference to chemicals is asking for me to say it so he can attack me. Just like everyone else in this forum. I gave a logical explanation backed by evidence as asked. The cheese powder was made in a very different way because it was taken to a dehydrated state, where more chemicals have to be added to the cheese sauce packets to make them stay on the shelf longer. I can research in the Cochrane Systematic Review database and find the links to several hormones and antibiotics that are placed in our food today that are causing you, girls, to develop breast tissue earlier, which places them at a high risk for developing breast cancer in their lives. Also, the heavy use of antibiotics in food has now produced some of the most drug-resistant strains of bacteria we have ever seen. So that is all I am going to say about that.
This is the Debate forum, so just be aware, people might debate you, and would certainly appreciate links to peer-reviewed medical publications and studies that support your contentions. Although also be aware that those might also be critiqued, because there is a lot of medical literature that establishes correlative impacts that are then positioned to Joe Public as truefacts without flagging that causitivity has not been established.
I do not have a problem being debated at all and I am more than happy to provide medical research. as I just did.6 -
dgarwood8181 wrote: »Consumption of ultra-processed foods and obesity in Brazilian adolescents and adults https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ypmed.2015.07.018
ultra-processing uses chemicals
The study finds a nice correlation between processed foods and obesity but it has several flaws, not the least of which was that it did not control for total calorie intake and it also relied on food surveys which are notoriously inaccurate. Also note that correlation does not imply causation (even if that is the what the study authors claim).4 -
dgarwood8181 wrote: »French_Peasant wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »Oh, and please name all of these harmful chemicals that we are putting in the foods... I always see people say 'its the chemicals' that cause us problems but I have yet to see anyone name the chemicals and show scientific proof of any damage that the nasty chemicals have caused.
edited for spelling and clarity
this statement of begging me to make reference to chemicals is asking for me to say it so he can attack me. Just like everyone else in this forum. I gave a logical explanation backed by evidence as asked. The cheese powder was made in a very different way because it was taken to a dehydrated state, where more chemicals have to be added to the cheese sauce packets to make them stay on the shelf longer. I can research in the Cochrane Systematic Review database and find the links to several hormones and antibiotics that are placed in our food today that are causing you, girls, to develop breast tissue earlier, which places them at a high risk for developing breast cancer in their lives. Also, the heavy use of antibiotics in food has now produced some of the most drug-resistant strains of bacteria we have ever seen. So that is all I am going to say about that.
This is the Debate forum, so just be aware, people might debate you, and would certainly appreciate links to peer-reviewed medical publications and studies that support your contentions. Although also be aware that those might also be critiqued, because there is a lot of medical literature that establishes correlative impacts that are then positioned to Joe Public as truefacts without flagging that causitivity has not been established.
I do not have a problem being debated at all and I am more than happy to provide medical research. as I just did.
You're provided some links that are somewhat related to your claims, but nothing that establishes your specific claims.
I asked if the chemicals you're claiming increased in food in the 1970s *cause* obesity and your response was a link about ultra-processed foods containing chemicals. But even that link isn't claiming that the chemicals *themselves* are the cause of obesity.
Another claim you made was about certain chemicals causes early breast development. I asked about that and you still haven't provided any additional context for that claim.3 -
Is sugar a chemical? in any form? since that was my main point that we were starting to consume more sugar in our diets than in the decades before. Does sugar make you fat?
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dgarwood8181 wrote: »Is sugar a chemical? in any form? since that was my main point that we were starting to consume more sugar in our diets than in the decades before. Does sugar make you fat?
Sugar is a chemical. So is water. What's the relevance of something being a chemical? I'm not even sure if you know what you mean by the term -- can you clarify what it means to you when you label something a "chemical" or claim that there are more chemicals in our food now than there were prior to the 1970s?
Sugar doesn't make you fat, consuming more calories than one burns makes you fat. Can those calories be from sugar? Yes (although they can also be from fat, protein, or other forms of carbohydrates).
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Osnt high fructose corn syrup a chemical made from corn? Does HFCS 42 as they call it cause you to be fat?9
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dgarwood8181 wrote: »Is sugar a chemical? in any form? since that was my main point that we were starting to consume more sugar in our diets than in the decades before. Does sugar make you fat?
Not in-and-of-itself. Total calorie consumption over the amount you need to maintain your current weight makes you fat, regardless of where the calories come from.3 -
dgarwood8181 wrote: »Osnt high fructose corn syrup a chemical made from corn? Does HFCS 42 as they call it cause you to be fat?
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SO our current western diet of everything containing a great amount of these items is causing people to become obese correct?6
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grammagrape wrote: »moms still cooked, or we kids did, so imagine that homemade nutrition.
Many mothers cook today, obviously.Tv dinners or going for hamburgers at the 1 McDonald's in town, were just once in a while, so the overload of fats/sugars in processed foods was rare.
Not all "processed foods" are full of fat and sugar. People seem to have a weird idea of what "processed food" means.
That said, these are cultural things. Many people (and probably subcultures within the US, etc.) STILL consider these kinds of things (TV dinners, fast food) once in a while things. It's that more people maybe rely on them more.
Also, I'm not convinced that TV dinners matter. I don't consume many of them, but my impression is that frozen meals aren't typically high cal (the ones we had in the '70s were not, although some high cal ones were available, and now days most of the ones I see people consuming, for lunch at work, are things like Amy's or Lean Cuisine, which are not high cal and are often much better nutritionally than the ones I recall from the '70s and '80s.
If people make a choice to eat larger portions and more high cal foods and fewer low cal (and more nutritious) options like vegetables, sure, but that's a choice, it's not because we have more brands of frozen meals available or whatever.And we played outside, we were outside most of the time even through high school.
Yes, on average I think this is a difference. More of our activities (especially the social ones -- I read a lot as a kid and was not fat) are active.Soda was not the drink of choice- water really was.
I'm not sure water was. I recall a lot of koolaid and milk and juice. Soda was rare, but my friends with young kids make that rare for them too, so again I think this is cultural and differs a lot from families to families.Compare to today when processed food is devoid of nutrition, few people cook, sugary drinks in giant sizes are pushed, and nobody is outside.
Processed food is not devoid of nutrition. An Amy's vegetable and bean bowl might not be perfect (it's not my choice), but it has nutrition. Other processed foods include those bags of frozen veg with a sauce or even some dried pasta and smoked salmon and cheese (which I can use with a bunch of veg and some -- processed! -- olive oil to make a great nutritious and fast dinner.)
I don't think it's true that FEW people can cook. Probably fewer families have someone who cooks regularly for a lot of reasons.
Sugary drinks aren't pushed any more than they used to be (I'd like to buy the world a Coke -- famous commercial from the '70s), and there is more official stuff against them.
We had lots of McD's close by in the '70s too. Why take actual agency out of this? Fast food was not difficult to acquire for most (I loved Long John Silvers, and if they still exist beats me where to find one, not near my current place at all.)
You know what I can get now and couldn't back then (not that I would have wanted to, I was 9 in 1979)? Tons and tons of great ethnic foods like Persian, Lebanese, Vietnamese, Korean, Thai, sushi, Indian, Ethiopian, Columbian, Brazilian, and on and on and on. And I can get those (along with more traditional US options like Italian) to deliver to my house, along with thousands of other places. Back in the day, it was Chinese or pizza, and I think we may have had to pick those up (not sure when delivery started).
Now, that ease, and the huge numbers of restaurants and much greater selection -- including of product ALL YEAR LONG, and specialty products like hot sauces and vinegars and olive oils and so on (and good quality wine and a variety of craft beers and so on again) is much easier to get at a supermarket these days. The bakery and deli in there is better (and has a variety of nutrient-dense foods as well as less so), the salad bar is more impressive, the variety of cheeses on offer would have amazed my '70s self (I think I knew about cheddar, swiss, and American). IMO, options are good, but it probably is more tempting. But it's not all low quality or not nutrient dense, why ignore the full scope of changes?6
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