why were people so skinny in the 70s?
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cwolfman13 wrote: »misskitty2018 wrote: »they rode bikes,skateboards, danced and walked to the park to play. they ate basic meals without them adding 100 ingredients AND we were broke/poor so couldn't spend much money on groceries. Now days...it seems as though we have to have a recipe a mile long and with bread on the side. dessert every night. the list is endless.
The only things my mom really made from scratch was chili, spaghetti sauce, and tuna and noodles...though those had I don't know how many cans of cream of mushroom soup and she made a potato chip crust. My dad would grill burgers on weekends.
Only one can of soup in tuna casserole! A can of tuna, a packet of egg noodles, a can of mushroom soup and some frozen peas
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Packerjohn wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I said our increase in sugar consumption. My point was not that a single chemical caused the nations obesity problem, That was the single thing you two looked for to try to make the debate about. I was saying the American lifestyle changed. That is all I was saying in my original post. We became more sedimentary with our jobs, they found cheaper ways to make different forms of sugar that sometimes you have to be a chemist to find on a label. I am saying we need to go back to how society lived in the 60 and 70's in regards to eating. Compare a big Mac today with a big mac from when we were kids? The calorie contents are massively higher than when we were children. That is what I was trying to say in the beginning. All the list of chemicals that someone mentioned was a quote I put in my post answering someone else about all the chemicals.
You wrote: "The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up." If you want to remove the first part of the sentence and focus on the sugar, that's fine. But people can only respond to what you wrote, not what you *meant* (at least until you clarify).
Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
No, I do not have a source for the calories of a big mac when we were kids. You know why, cause they did not keep track of that information or it is a proprietary secret, which they will not share. Do you think that a big mac and a coke was 1150 calories 30 years ago? If it was that means we are consuming way more then we did 30 years ago, but I find it hard to believe that cokes product has changed, I do not know the exact number of times, would it not reason that McDonald's has changed their recipes and hamburgers and ingredients as well and lied to the American public about it? I'm just saying.
A Big Mac and coke aren't even 1150 calories today.
But I would guess you would find a very small % of this combination ordered without the fries. This includes a 32 oz drink. I know at least in my area you could not get a 32 oz soda at McDonald's and there were no free refills either, anywhere in the 1970's.
That's almost a liter bottle. I can't even finish that much soda in a whole day, nevermind a single meal. A 1.5l bottle lasts 2-3 days for me.
You can see why there is a problem then. Many people are getting this with every meal away from home.
I was out at lunch yesterday with co-workers. There were 9 of us, 4 normal weight and 5 significantly overweight/obese.. To a person the normal weight people ordered water, plain iced tea or diet soda. All the rest ordered regular soda. The glasses were at least 24 oz and the waitress brought refills. Woman that sits across from me at work drank the regular soda and when we got back to work went to the machine and got a 20oz regular Coke. These are all well paid individuals with college degrees, not someone who is needing calories from any source to survive.
This is why any professional who works with weight loss patients/clients will try to get them off regular soda first thing. Big bang for the buck in elimination/reduction of empty calories.
I'm fat and I don't drink any coke. Only a diet coke occasionally, like a few times a year. I pretty much only drink water. I'm a big eater I guess.0 -
spinnerdell wrote: »I lived in a small lumber-mill town in Oregon in the late 70's and remember the restaurant portions being huge. Not that I minded- I could plow through gigantic meals and stay thin, thanks to my job at the mill.
Well, there you go. I mentioned my 4-H leader and her farm in an earlier reply. As it happens, she and her sons were all HUGE. They were literally the fattest people I knew. I remember going into the bathroom off her kitchen and wondering how her sons even used the thing -- the toilet seat looked so small next to their butts.
I have come to strongly suspect that the problem was she had learned to cook, and how to feed farm workers, from her own mother, who would have been feeding pre-mechanization (or, at least, early mechanization) farm workers who burned a hell of a lot more calories per day than you do on a modern dairy farm. Not that farming of any kind isn't hard work -- it is -- but simply milking a herd of cows by hand is much more laborious than the automated milking machines they used. Not to mention all the other farming tasks eased by mechanization.
On HFCS, I'm convinced that it's a heavy contributor to the obesity epidemic, not because it's a particularly poisonous sugar, but because it's in EVERYTHING, even foods you don't expect to be sweetened. Perhaps a legacy of the "low fat" trend of the 1980s, when food manufacturers turned to sweeteners to make lower-fat foods more palatable.
And yes, the absolutely massive sizes of soft drinks, while not responsible for it all by themselves, certainly don't help. Although they were rare, I remember a 6.5 oz deposit bottle of Coke being a perfectly satisfying amount to drink. A single 30+ oz cup is absolutely ridiculous.4 -
spinnerdell wrote: »I lived in a small lumber-mill town in Oregon in the late 70's and remember the restaurant portions being huge. Not that I minded- I could plow through gigantic meals and stay thin, thanks to my job at the mill.
Well, there you go. I mentioned my 4-H leader and her farm in an earlier reply. As it happens, she and her sons were all HUGE. They were literally the fattest people I knew. I remember going into the bathroom off her kitchen and wondering how her sons even used the thing -- the toilet seat looked so small next to their butts.
I have come to strongly suspect that the problem was she had learned to cook, and how to feed farm workers, from her own mother, who would have been feeding pre-mechanization (or, at least, early mechanization) farm workers who burned a hell of a lot more calories per day than you do on a modern dairy farm. Not that farming of any kind isn't hard work -- it is -- but simply milking a herd of cows by hand is much more laborious than the automated milking machines they used. Not to mention all the other farming tasks eased by mechanization.
On HFCS, I'm convinced that it's a heavy contributor to the obesity epidemic, not because it's a particularly poisonous sugar, but because it's in EVERYTHING, even foods you don't expect to be sweetened. Perhaps a legacy of the "low fat" trend of the 1980s, when food manufacturers turned to sweeteners to make lower-fat foods more palatable.
And yes, the absolutely massive sizes of soft drinks, while not responsible for it all by themselves, certainly don't help. Although they were rare, I remember a 6.5 oz deposit bottle of Coke being a perfectly satisfying amount to drink. A single 30+ oz cup is absolutely ridiculous.
Can you show some examples of foods you feel have HFCS where it wouldn’t be expected, including the nutrition label showing the ingredients and the grams of sugar present? Most foods have images online of their nutrition labels so maybe you could show a couple you feel are problematic. I ask because everyone always claims that sugars are hidden in surprising savory foods but no one ever shows an example. On another thread today someone posted a pic of low fat Hidden Valley Ranch which has an extra 1g of sugar - hardly the hidden demon that such a statement implies suggesting it’s everywhere...9 -
If HFCS played a role at all, it's because it's easy to use (for food manufacturers, apparently, it has advantages to sugar because it's liquid) and super cheap and thus has helped with the proliferation of ever more, cheaper, and better tasting junk food available. I don't think because it adds any significant calories to foods that people wouldn't expect to be sweetened. (Its biggest role calorie-wise is probably soda, and that wouldn't be any different if soda were made with sugar instead.)3
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spinnerdell wrote: »I lived in a small lumber-mill town in Oregon in the late 70's and remember the restaurant portions being huge. Not that I minded- I could plow through gigantic meals and stay thin, thanks to my job at the mill.
Yep, in small American mill towns, the portions were HUGE, I'm sure. But now they're huge everywhere, and not everyone is humping logs on a chain
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WillingtoLose1001984 wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I said our increase in sugar consumption. My point was not that a single chemical caused the nations obesity problem, That was the single thing you two looked for to try to make the debate about. I was saying the American lifestyle changed. That is all I was saying in my original post. We became more sedimentary with our jobs, they found cheaper ways to make different forms of sugar that sometimes you have to be a chemist to find on a label. I am saying we need to go back to how society lived in the 60 and 70's in regards to eating. Compare a big Mac today with a big mac from when we were kids? The calorie contents are massively higher than when we were children. That is what I was trying to say in the beginning. All the list of chemicals that someone mentioned was a quote I put in my post answering someone else about all the chemicals.
You wrote: "The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up." If you want to remove the first part of the sentence and focus on the sugar, that's fine. But people can only respond to what you wrote, not what you *meant* (at least until you clarify).
Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
No, I do not have a source for the calories of a big mac when we were kids. You know why, cause they did not keep track of that information or it is a proprietary secret, which they will not share. Do you think that a big mac and a coke was 1150 calories 30 years ago? If it was that means we are consuming way more then we did 30 years ago, but I find it hard to believe that cokes product has changed, I do not know the exact number of times, would it not reason that McDonald's has changed their recipes and hamburgers and ingredients as well and lied to the American public about it? I'm just saying.
A Big Mac and coke aren't even 1150 calories today.
But I would guess you would find a very small % of this combination ordered without the fries. This includes a 32 oz drink. I know at least in my area you could not get a 32 oz soda at McDonald's and there were no free refills either, anywhere in the 1970's.
That's almost a liter bottle. I can't even finish that much soda in a whole day, nevermind a single meal. A 1.5l bottle lasts 2-3 days for me.
You can see why there is a problem then. Many people are getting this with every meal away from home.
I was out at lunch yesterday with co-workers. There were 9 of us, 4 normal weight and 5 significantly overweight/obese.. To a person the normal weight people ordered water, plain iced tea or diet soda. All the rest ordered regular soda. The glasses were at least 24 oz and the waitress brought refills. Woman that sits across from me at work drank the regular soda and when we got back to work went to the machine and got a 20oz regular Coke. These are all well paid individuals with college degrees, not someone who is needing calories from any source to survive.
This is why any professional who works with weight loss patients/clients will try to get them off regular soda first thing. Big bang for the buck in elimination/reduction of empty calories.
I'm fat and I don't drink any coke. Only a diet coke occasionally, like a few times a year. I pretty much only drink water. I'm a big eater I guess.
That is why my original post said many people are getting large Cokes with meals frequently.0 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »That's almost a liter bottle. I can't even finish that much soda in a whole day, nevermind a single meal. A 1.5l bottle lasts 2-3 days for me.
Yeah, was never a problem for me. A liter of pop with lunch was normal up to a couple years ago. Now it's that much water.
Normal portion size is an 8oz glass at table (maybe a 12oz if you like), so why do people drink more than that when buying meals out??0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »spinnerdell wrote: »I lived in a small lumber-mill town in Oregon in the late 70's and remember the restaurant portions being huge. Not that I minded- I could plow through gigantic meals and stay thin, thanks to my job at the mill.
Well, there you go. I mentioned my 4-H leader and her farm in an earlier reply. As it happens, she and her sons were all HUGE. They were literally the fattest people I knew. I remember going into the bathroom off her kitchen and wondering how her sons even used the thing -- the toilet seat looked so small next to their butts.
I have come to strongly suspect that the problem was she had learned to cook, and how to feed farm workers, from her own mother, who would have been feeding pre-mechanization (or, at least, early mechanization) farm workers who burned a hell of a lot more calories per day than you do on a modern dairy farm. Not that farming of any kind isn't hard work -- it is -- but simply milking a herd of cows by hand is much more laborious than the automated milking machines they used. Not to mention all the other farming tasks eased by mechanization.
On HFCS, I'm convinced that it's a heavy contributor to the obesity epidemic, not because it's a particularly poisonous sugar, but because it's in EVERYTHING, even foods you don't expect to be sweetened. Perhaps a legacy of the "low fat" trend of the 1980s, when food manufacturers turned to sweeteners to make lower-fat foods more palatable.
And yes, the absolutely massive sizes of soft drinks, while not responsible for it all by themselves, certainly don't help. Although they were rare, I remember a 6.5 oz deposit bottle of Coke being a perfectly satisfying amount to drink. A single 30+ oz cup is absolutely ridiculous.
Can you show some examples of foods you feel have HFCS where it wouldn’t be expected, including the nutrition label showing the ingredients and the grams of sugar present? Most foods have images online of their nutrition labels so maybe you could show a couple you feel are problematic. I ask because everyone always claims that sugars are hidden in surprising savory foods but no one ever shows an example. On another thread today someone posted a pic of low fat Hidden Valley Ranch which has an extra 1g of sugar - hardly the hidden demon that such a statement implies suggesting it’s everywhere...
On looking, it seems some of the examples I'd reach for seem to have substituted sugar for HFCS. Or perhaps they never used them, and used sucrose That doesn't change my basic point, that there's too much sugar in many different foods, and I'm not demonizing HFCS in particular.
Oroweat Whole Wheat bread: https://www.fooducate.com/app#!page=product&id=53A0A7E4-626A-BF59-4B68-9CC1DBE01CBD
Ragu Old World style sauce: https://www.ragu.com/our-sauces/old-world-style-sauces/old-world-style-traditional-spaghetti-sauce/
KFC ingredients list: https://www.kfc.ca/en/assets/pdf/IngredientListingApril2017.pdf Note that in this case they're concealing their use of HFCS in products of their own manufacture by calling it "glucose-fructose" instead, but there's also just plain sugar (or glucose) in many foods, even some you might not think of as sweet.
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misskitty2018 wrote: »they rode bikes,skateboards, danced and walked to the park to play. they ate basic meals without them adding 100 ingredients AND we were broke/poor so couldn't spend much money on groceries. Now days...it seems as though we have to have a recipe a mile long and with bread on the side. dessert every night. the list is endless.
Yup!! I often talk about this change too, whenever I can get someone to listen.
Why does food always have to be a "recipe" now??1 -
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[getoffmylawn] I think it's because we had to walk 5 miles to school uphill both ways in the snow. [/getoffmylawn]11
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I know this is a couple of decades off (1950's) but this is one thing
other than that people use to get a lot more physical activity... today physical activity = checking facebook and seeing what new and wondrous things you can be offended with and whine about
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In school from 1970-82. I took my lunch to school which was usually supper leftovers (European background so real food from scratch), walked to school & back every day (until Senior High which was quite a few km away- took the bus then). Played outside (racing, tag, pretend 'rodeo' with our standard poodle, cycled everywhere (sometimes away for several hours on weekends/holidays), built snow forts, lots of x-country & downhill skiing. Only pop was 3 or 4 times/month when we went for treat lunch (usually clam chowder at a local lunch counter.) Never been a fan of cake/cookies - preferred savoury stuff for snacks like cheese, pickles, pepperoni.2
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Tacklewasher wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »That's almost a liter bottle. I can't even finish that much soda in a whole day, nevermind a single meal. A 1.5l bottle lasts 2-3 days for me.
Yeah, was never a problem for me. A liter of pop with lunch was normal up to a couple years ago. Now it's that much water.
Normal portion size is an 8oz glass at table (maybe a 12oz if you like), so why do people drink more than that when buying meals out??
Your normal portion is not my normal portion.
I can easily drink 40 oz of whatever beverage I’m having with supper, be that water, Coke Zero, regular coke, root beer or milk (though that much milk does weigh heavy on the stomach).
I’m that guy who the waiter can never keep up with when it comes to refills. I drink no less when I eat at home. It’s very rare that I get through a meal without a refill or two.2 -
technology has made the human race lazy1
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misskitty2018 wrote: »they rode bikes,skateboards, danced and walked to the park to play. they ate basic meals without them adding 100 ingredients AND we were broke/poor so couldn't spend much money on groceries. Now days...it seems as though we have to have a recipe a mile long and with bread on the side. dessert every night. the list is endless.
Yup!! I often talk about this change too, whenever I can get someone to listen.
Why does food always have to be a "recipe" now??
What an odd odd string of conversation this is. I have three of my grandmothers cookbooks. She had all sorts of recipes handwritten as well as the actual cookbooks... She wrote them on the pages at the front and back of the book plus stuck them on tablet paper in between the other pages. Recipes for things like soups, goulash, bread, pies, cakes, meatloaf, meatballs... Not sure where this idea that recipes are some kind of new fangled thing came from. These cookbooks were from the 20s and 30s.5 -
When I was a child, fast food was a "treat," not a daily occurrence. We lived on Long Island, NY, and every summer we'd drive up to Oswego, NY to visit/stay with friends. What kept my younger sister and I from going insane on this 8+ hour car ride? The promise of a hamburger, fries, and chocolate shake at Carrol's, a hamburger joint that doesn't exist anymore. We got to stop there on the way up and the way back home. That was it FOR THE YEAR!! Believe me, no fast food meal has ever tasted as good as that since it was so greatly anticipated! No instant gratification in those days. We went out for a "fancy" dinner on our birthdays (was thrilled to get my "Shirley Temple"with the maraschino cherry!) What I wouldn't give to revisit those days.......2
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Tacklewasher wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »That's almost a liter bottle. I can't even finish that much soda in a whole day, nevermind a single meal. A 1.5l bottle lasts 2-3 days for me.
Yeah, was never a problem for me. A liter of pop with lunch was normal up to a couple years ago. Now it's that much water.
Normal portion size is an 8oz glass at table (maybe a 12oz if you like), so why do people drink more than that when buying meals out??
Other than my wife's grandmother who had 60 year old glasses, I don't see an 8oz drinking glass at the table of anyone I know (unit of 1 observation).7 -
misskitty2018 wrote: »they rode bikes,skateboards, danced and walked to the park to play. they ate basic meals without them adding 100 ingredients AND we were broke/poor so couldn't spend much money on groceries. Now days...it seems as though we have to have a recipe a mile long and with bread on the side. dessert every night. the list is endless.
Yup!! I often talk about this change too, whenever I can get someone to listen.
Why does food always have to be a "recipe" now??
What an odd odd string of conversation this is. I have three of my grandmothers cookbooks. She had all sorts of recipes handwritten as well as the actual cookbooks... She wrote them on the pages at the front and back of the book plus stuck them on tablet paper in between the other pages. Recipes for things like soups, goulash, bread, pies, cakes, meatloaf, meatballs... Not sure where this idea that recipes are some kind of new fangled thing came from. These cookbooks were from the 20s and 30s.
My Grandma used a lot of cards. Funny going through them to see the changes she made and her notes. Christmas pudding needed "multiply * 4 for *(^((&&(*& boys" for the caramel sauce. (Was our name, not swearing).
My wife does the same thing. Except her gluten/lactose free recipes have notes whether or not I will eat them.
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