why were people so skinny in the 70s?
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I just want to say that of all the things people have pointed out that contribute to the general decline of activity in today's society (and I agree with most of them), blaming the remote control is just silly. How many calories did anyone actually expend repeatedly walking to the tv to change the channel, really? Increased tv time, sure, along with games (we had a rudimentary D & D game that I wasted too many hours on, although I probably would have spent those hours reading), but blaming the poor remote seems a little over-the-top.
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WillingtoLose1001984 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »No specific group of foods (ie sweets), individual food (chocolate), or ingredient (sugar or HFCS) makes a person fat. The consumption of too many calories, regardless of the source (HFCS, sugar, chocolate, sweets, processed foods or Whole Foods) puts a person in a calorie surplus above their daily calorie burn and causes weight gain over time.
But there are high calorie foods that make it super easy to eat too many calories and gain weight.
Of course there are...and there are also a lot of high calorie, nutritious whole foods that make it easy to eat too many calories and gain weight.
I eat a primarily whole foods focused diet...I put on 8-10 Lbs every winter like clock work.1 -
dgarwood8181 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I said our increase in sugar consumption. My point was not that a single chemical caused the nations obesity problem, That was the single thing you two looked for to try to make the debate about. I was saying the American lifestyle changed. That is all I was saying in my original post. We became more sedimentary with our jobs, they found cheaper ways to make different forms of sugar that sometimes you have to be a chemist to find on a label. I am saying we need to go back to how society lived in the 60 and 70's in regards to eating. Compare a big Mac today with a big mac from when we were kids? The calorie contents are massively higher than when we were children. That is what I was trying to say in the beginning. All the list of chemicals that someone mentioned was a quote I put in my post answering someone else about all the chemicals.
You wrote: "The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up." If you want to remove the first part of the sentence and focus on the sugar, that's fine. But people can only respond to what you wrote, not what you *meant* (at least until you clarify).
Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
No, I do not have a source for the calories of a big mac when we were kids. You know why, cause they did not keep track of that information or it is a proprietary secret, which they will not share. Do you think that a big mac and a coke was 1150 calories 30 years ago? If it was that means we are consuming way more then we did 30 years ago, but I find it hard to believe that cokes product has changed, I do not know the exact number of times, would it not reason that McDonald's has changed their recipes and hamburgers and ingredients as well and lied to the American public about it? I'm just saying.
If you don't have a source, then I'm not sure how you propose to compare a Big Mac from "when we were kids" to today. You're asking me to just accept your assertion that a Big Mac today is bigger. In the US today, a Big Mac has 540 calories. Without any reliable indication that it was less in the past (and no, I don't consider your general belief that it's "hard to believe" especially reliable), I don't know why I would assume McDonald's is lying about this -- especially since they have been transparent about changing the sizes of other products (like french fries and sodas).
Accusing McDonald's of lying just because you're saying it stands to reason they would? No. I don't consider that sufficiently convincing.
Here's some feedback, just from me to you. When you state something as if it is a fact (compare a Big Mac in the past to today) and the person you're debating has to research themselves to find out there is no factual basis for your claim, it doesn't inspire trust and confidence. I don't think you're deliberately being deceptive, but I think you've playing very fast and loose with accurate information. It might be helpful if you limited your claims to things that were documented or you had actual data to support. Feel free to ignore, this is just something I've found helpful in online debating.10 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I said our increase in sugar consumption. My point was not that a single chemical caused the nations obesity problem, That was the single thing you two looked for to try to make the debate about. I was saying the American lifestyle changed. That is all I was saying in my original post. We became more sedimentary with our jobs, they found cheaper ways to make different forms of sugar that sometimes you have to be a chemist to find on a label. I am saying we need to go back to how society lived in the 60 and 70's in regards to eating. Compare a big Mac today with a big mac from when we were kids? The calorie contents are massively higher than when we were children. That is what I was trying to say in the beginning. All the list of chemicals that someone mentioned was a quote I put in my post answering someone else about all the chemicals.
You wrote: "The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up." If you want to remove the first part of the sentence and focus on the sugar, that's fine. But people can only respond to what you wrote, not what you *meant* (at least until you clarify).
Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
No, I do not have a source for the calories of a big mac when we were kids. You know why, cause they did not keep track of that information or it is a proprietary secret, which they will not share. Do you think that a big mac and a coke was 1150 calories 30 years ago? If it was that means we are consuming way more then we did 30 years ago, but I find it hard to believe that cokes product has changed, I do not know the exact number of times, would it not reason that McDonald's has changed their recipes and hamburgers and ingredients as well and lied to the American public about it? I'm just saying.
How many calories were the Big Mac then? And how do you know?
I looked it up on their menu on line, which the government says they have to post. It is 540.2 -
dgarwood8181 wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I said our increase in sugar consumption. My point was not that a single chemical caused the nations obesity problem, That was the single thing you two looked for to try to make the debate about. I was saying the American lifestyle changed. That is all I was saying in my original post. We became more sedimentary with our jobs, they found cheaper ways to make different forms of sugar that sometimes you have to be a chemist to find on a label. I am saying we need to go back to how society lived in the 60 and 70's in regards to eating. Compare a big Mac today with a big mac from when we were kids? The calorie contents are massively higher than when we were children. That is what I was trying to say in the beginning. All the list of chemicals that someone mentioned was a quote I put in my post answering someone else about all the chemicals.
You wrote: "The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up." If you want to remove the first part of the sentence and focus on the sugar, that's fine. But people can only respond to what you wrote, not what you *meant* (at least until you clarify).
Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
No, I do not have a source for the calories of a big mac when we were kids. You know why, cause they did not keep track of that information or it is a proprietary secret, which they will not share. Do you think that a big mac and a coke was 1150 calories 30 years ago? If it was that means we are consuming way more then we did 30 years ago, but I find it hard to believe that cokes product has changed, I do not know the exact number of times, would it not reason that McDonald's has changed their recipes and hamburgers and ingredients as well and lied to the American public about it? I'm just saying.
How many calories were the Big Mac then? And how do you know?
I looked it up on their menu on line, which the government says they have to post. It is 540.
Thirty years ago then, I know what they are now.6 -
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sorry I added the grand big mac to the nutritional calculator on their site....a coke and regular big mac is 8303
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Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
It is probably the same size, but I am old enough that I remember when a cheeseburger was just a cheeseburger and it was a big thing when the Quarter Pounder was first introduced. If I recall correctly, also large fries instead of just the little white packets..... The proliferation of stores is amazing too. When I was growing up there was one McDonalds in a town. Where I live now there are four inside city limits and at least one in each of the neighboring small towns.1 -
hopiemama33 wrote: »Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
It is probably the same size, but I am old enough that I remember when a cheeseburger was just a cheeseburger and it was a big thing when the Quarter Pounder was first introduced. If I recall correctly, also large fries instead of just the little white packets..... The proliferation of stores is amazing too. When I was growing up there was one McDonalds in a town. Where I live now there are four inside city limits and at least one in each of the neighboring small towns.
I don't doubt the claim that there is a wider variety of *larger sandwiches* available today than there may have been in the 1970s. It's the specific claim that McDonald's increased the size of the Big Mac that I'm questioning. I'd just like more support for the claim than "it stands to reason they would."4 -
dgarwood8181 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I said our increase in sugar consumption. My point was not that a single chemical caused the nations obesity problem, That was the single thing you two looked for to try to make the debate about. I was saying the American lifestyle changed. That is all I was saying in my original post. We became more sedimentary with our jobs, they found cheaper ways to make different forms of sugar that sometimes you have to be a chemist to find on a label. I am saying we need to go back to how society lived in the 60 and 70's in regards to eating. Compare a big Mac today with a big mac from when we were kids? The calorie contents are massively higher than when we were children. That is what I was trying to say in the beginning. All the list of chemicals that someone mentioned was a quote I put in my post answering someone else about all the chemicals.
You wrote: "The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up." If you want to remove the first part of the sentence and focus on the sugar, that's fine. But people can only respond to what you wrote, not what you *meant* (at least until you clarify).
Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
No, I do not have a source for the calories of a big mac when we were kids. You know why, cause they did not keep track of that information or it is a proprietary secret, which they will not share. Do you think that a big mac and a coke was 1150 calories 30 years ago? If it was that means we are consuming way more then we did 30 years ago, but I find it hard to believe that cokes product has changed, I do not know the exact number of times, would it not reason that McDonald's has changed their recipes and hamburgers and ingredients as well and lied to the American public about it? I'm just saying.
I worked in McDonald's in the mid 1980s when I was a kid.
The big mac is the same - two all beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese pickles onions on a sesame seed bun.
There were two sizes of fries - small and large. Now there is small, medium, large, and supersize.
There were hamburgers, cheeseburgers, double hamburgers, double cheeseburgers - and then there were quarter pounders (with and without cheese). All of them seem to be the same size in my mind's eye today as the ones I handled so much in the 80s.
Soda sizes are different - I don't remember the small size, but I do know that the current small size used to be a medium and the current medium used to be a large. The large is way bigger than it was back then.
The ice cream cone and sundae vary based on who is making it - but they are about the same size.
One thing that is noticeably different is the egg mc muffin. What used to be a fairly thick piece of Canadian bacon now resembles a super thin slice of ham. That makes me mad.
On a related note (but not related to McD's):
If anything, some things are shrinking and they're charging more money for it...
Ice cream - used to come in half gallon cartons. Now most of them are nowhere near that.
Yogurt - used to be an 8 oz cup for a single serving of yogurt - now it's 5 or 6 oz.
Granulated sugar - used to be a 5lb bag. Now it's 4lbs.
Candy bags and candy bars - while they offer "super" or "sharing size" - the standard size of many of them are smaller along with an increase in price.
This is not to make us healthier but to maximize profits. I see it with a lot of non-calorie items like this as well - coffee used to be 16 oz / 1lb. Now it's 11, 12, and 13 oz.
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janejellyroll wrote: »hopiemama33 wrote: »Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
It is probably the same size, but I am old enough that I remember when a cheeseburger was just a cheeseburger and it was a big thing when the Quarter Pounder was first introduced. If I recall correctly, also large fries instead of just the little white packets..... The proliferation of stores is amazing too. When I was growing up there was one McDonalds in a town. Where I live now there are four inside city limits and at least one in each of the neighboring small towns.
I don't doubt the claim that there is a wider variety of *larger sandwiches* available today than there may have been in the 1970s. It's the specific claim that McDonald's increased the size of the Big Mac that I'm questioning. I'd just like more support for the claim than "it stands to reason they would."
If anything, they're smaller today than they were in the 70's. Or maybe my hands are larger. I really haven't had one since I was a kid.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »SO our current western diet of everything containing a great amount of these items is causing people to become obese correct?
I’m genuinely curious, in posts like these, do you think that all of us eat the same diet? You think there is a standard western diet? Standard American diet?
I bet even if the 8-10 of us currently actively participating in this thread listed a days worth of meals, a weeks worth of meals - you wouldn’t find a lot of similarity. I know we have at least one vegan in the discussion, one self proclaimed food snob, myself who eats a great deal of convenience/processed foods...
Delurking to self-identify as an ovo-lacto vegetarian who cooks once a week from scratch (or semi-scratch, if you don't consider stuff like canned diced tomatoes or jarred marinara or unsweetened applesauce from the supermarket aisle to be cooking from scratch when incorporated in a recipe) and the rest of the time relies on various veggie 'meats' as basic staples. I consider my way of eating healthy-ish, with room for moderate indulgences.5 -
they rode bikes,skateboards, danced and walked to the park to play. they ate basic meals without them adding 100 ingredients AND we were broke/poor so couldn't spend much money on groceries. Now days...it seems as though we have to have a recipe a mile long and with bread on the side. dessert every night. the list is endless.2
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More activity. Less Internet.3
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Now days if I want candy or chips I can DRIVE to any store and buy not only an individual bag I can buy a family sized bag.
But you could do this back then too. I mean, I couldn't, I couldn't drive, but adults could have if they wanted to.
It was cultural restrictions on what was appropriate to eat and in what portions, among other things, that prevented people from doing so, not that it was hard to acquire candy or chips (or fast food or whatever).2 -
misskitty2018 wrote: »they rode bikes,skateboards, danced and walked to the park to play. they ate basic meals without them adding 100 ingredients AND we were broke/poor so couldn't spend much money on groceries. Now days...it seems as though we have to have a recipe a mile long and with bread on the side. dessert every night. the list is endless.
My mom was born in the 1950s and she says that when she was growing up, bread on the side was standard with every meal (even things like pasta or when there was already a starchy side). I don't doubt that many people eat bread on the side now, but I don't think it's especially new . . . for all families anyway.3 -
WinoGelato wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »(I loved Long John Silvers, and if they still exist beats me where to find one, not near my current place at all.)
There are 3 of these near me, each at least 40 minutes away in opposite directions. Every once in a blue moon I get a hankering for some.
The cracklins are the best... we have one within 5 minutes of our house.
I decided to see where the nearest one is, and found one only about 5 miles away (by car). Which still seems far away, so clearly depends on one's reference point!
(It first told me none near by, but apparently the search was wonky, and now it works okay.)
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My dad ate bread and butter with every meal, and had bread and butter with a cup of coffee at night before he went to bed. And sometimes he'd have a snack of bread and butter in the afternoon. Every meal had to have bread and butter. And potatoes and butter. And butter.
I ate a lot of candy and junk food in the 70s and 80s. I didn't "walk" or "ride my bike" anywhere except in and out my driveway occasionally - didn't walk to the park, walk to the corner store - we lived in a rural area in the middle of nowhere. There was nothing around but neighbors who didn't have kids my age. I remember one time eating so much of a bag of circus peanuts that I threw up - and to this day I can't stand the sight of them. lol
I didn't become overweight until after I got pregnant at age 26 or so.3 -
dgarwood8181 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I said our increase in sugar consumption. My point was not that a single chemical caused the nations obesity problem, That was the single thing you two looked for to try to make the debate about. I was saying the American lifestyle changed. That is all I was saying in my original post. We became more sedimentary with our jobs, they found cheaper ways to make different forms of sugar that sometimes you have to be a chemist to find on a label. I am saying we need to go back to how society lived in the 60 and 70's in regards to eating. Compare a big Mac today with a big mac from when we were kids? The calorie contents are massively higher than when we were children. That is what I was trying to say in the beginning. All the list of chemicals that someone mentioned was a quote I put in my post answering someone else about all the chemicals.
You wrote: "The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up." If you want to remove the first part of the sentence and focus on the sugar, that's fine. But people can only respond to what you wrote, not what you *meant* (at least until you clarify).
Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
No, I do not have a source for the calories of a big mac when we were kids. You know why, cause they did not keep track of that information or it is a proprietary secret, which they will not share. Do you think that a big mac and a coke was 1150 calories 30 years ago? If it was that means we are consuming way more then we did 30 years ago, but I find it hard to believe that cokes product has changed, I do not know the exact number of times, would it not reason that McDonald's has changed their recipes and hamburgers and ingredients as well and lied to the American public about it? I'm just saying.
I suspect the Big Mac was the same size.
What I think is different is what we ordinarily order. Then adults would get a cheeseburger or maybe a Quarter Pounder and small or large fries, but the largest size fries now is much larger than then.
My mom got diet coke if we went to McD's back then, and that's what I'd get now (but I don't usually get McD's, since I'm not a fast food fan, although I may have to go to Long John Silvers now I know I can!). So calories from soda would be irrelevant to me, '70s or now.
In the '70s we went occasionally and I got a burger (I didn't like cheese on them yet) with small fries and a small orange drink. I don't think Happy Meals existed yet. I bet the calories from my order would be the same.0 -
misskitty2018 wrote: »they rode bikes,skateboards, danced and walked to the park to play. they ate basic meals without them adding 100 ingredients AND we were broke/poor so couldn't spend much money on groceries. Now days...it seems as though we have to have a recipe a mile long and with bread on the side. dessert every night. the list is endless.
People still do that...I have two young boys...they and their friends are always on the go.
Not really...And having a lot of ingredients doesn't really have anything to do with anything. I have several "fancy" recipes with a laundry list of ingredients...they're very healthy and not a ton of calories. Most people that I know that cook regularly have pretty simple meals...I save my fancy one's for weekends or company.
When I was a kid, meals were usually mac 'n cheese and fish sticks with canned peas, hamburger helper, frozen t.v. dinners, chicken pot pies, beans and weenies on rainbow bread with potato chips, those fake mini doughnut things for breakfast, bologna sandwiches for lunch, etc.
The only things my mom really made from scratch was chili, spaghetti sauce, and tuna and noodles...though those had I don't know how many cans of cream of mushroom soup and she made a potato chip crust. My dad would grill burgers on weekends.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I said our increase in sugar consumption. My point was not that a single chemical caused the nations obesity problem, That was the single thing you two looked for to try to make the debate about. I was saying the American lifestyle changed. That is all I was saying in my original post. We became more sedimentary with our jobs, they found cheaper ways to make different forms of sugar that sometimes you have to be a chemist to find on a label. I am saying we need to go back to how society lived in the 60 and 70's in regards to eating. Compare a big Mac today with a big mac from when we were kids? The calorie contents are massively higher than when we were children. That is what I was trying to say in the beginning. All the list of chemicals that someone mentioned was a quote I put in my post answering someone else about all the chemicals.
You wrote: "The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up." If you want to remove the first part of the sentence and focus on the sugar, that's fine. But people can only respond to what you wrote, not what you *meant* (at least until you clarify).
Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
No, I do not have a source for the calories of a big mac when we were kids. You know why, cause they did not keep track of that information or it is a proprietary secret, which they will not share. Do you think that a big mac and a coke was 1150 calories 30 years ago? If it was that means we are consuming way more then we did 30 years ago, but I find it hard to believe that cokes product has changed, I do not know the exact number of times, would it not reason that McDonald's has changed their recipes and hamburgers and ingredients as well and lied to the American public about it? I'm just saying.
I suspect the Big Mac was the same size.
What I think is different is what we ordinarily order. Then adults would get a cheeseburger or maybe a Quarter Pounder and small or large fries, but the largest size fries now is much larger than then.
My mom got diet coke if we went to McD's back then, and that's what I'd get now (but I don't usually get McD's, since I'm not a fast food fan, although I may have to go to Long John Silvers now I know I can!). So calories from soda would be irrelevant to me, '70s or now.
In the '70s we went occasionally and I got a burger (I didn't like cheese on them yet) with small fries and a small orange drink. I don't think Happy Meals existed yet. I bet the calories from my order would be the same.
Just checked and it looks like Diet Coke was introduced in '82, so I don't know what my mom would have gotten in the '70s. Did McD's have Tab?
Also, for the record, I didn't get the orange drink because we thought it anything but soda. I just liked it best and could only get it at McD's (or other fast food).0 -
Another place I remember going to as a kid (which blows my mind) is Sambo's. I do not recall the menu.
Also Big Boy's.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Another place I remember going to as a kid (which blows my mind) is Sambo's. I do not recall the menu.
Also Big Boy's.
Tripping!
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lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I said our increase in sugar consumption. My point was not that a single chemical caused the nations obesity problem, That was the single thing you two looked for to try to make the debate about. I was saying the American lifestyle changed. That is all I was saying in my original post. We became more sedimentary with our jobs, they found cheaper ways to make different forms of sugar that sometimes you have to be a chemist to find on a label. I am saying we need to go back to how society lived in the 60 and 70's in regards to eating. Compare a big Mac today with a big mac from when we were kids? The calorie contents are massively higher than when we were children. That is what I was trying to say in the beginning. All the list of chemicals that someone mentioned was a quote I put in my post answering someone else about all the chemicals.
You wrote: "The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up." If you want to remove the first part of the sentence and focus on the sugar, that's fine. But people can only respond to what you wrote, not what you *meant* (at least until you clarify).
Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
No, I do not have a source for the calories of a big mac when we were kids. You know why, cause they did not keep track of that information or it is a proprietary secret, which they will not share. Do you think that a big mac and a coke was 1150 calories 30 years ago? If it was that means we are consuming way more then we did 30 years ago, but I find it hard to believe that cokes product has changed, I do not know the exact number of times, would it not reason that McDonald's has changed their recipes and hamburgers and ingredients as well and lied to the American public about it? I'm just saying.
I suspect the Big Mac was the same size.
What I think is different is what we ordinarily order. Then adults would get a cheeseburger or maybe a Quarter Pounder and small or large fries, but the largest size fries now is much larger than then.
My mom got diet coke if we went to McD's back then, and that's what I'd get now (but I don't usually get McD's, since I'm not a fast food fan, although I may have to go to Long John Silvers now I know I can!). So calories from soda would be irrelevant to me, '70s or now.
In the '70s we went occasionally and I got a burger (I didn't like cheese on them yet) with small fries and a small orange drink. I don't think Happy Meals existed yet. I bet the calories from my order would be the same.
Just checked and it looks like Diet Coke was introduced in '82, so I don't know what my mom would have gotten in the '70s. Did McD's have Tab?
Also, for the record, I didn't get the orange drink because we thought it anything but soda. I just liked it best and could only get it at McD's (or other fast food).
Probably Tab or Fresca. I remember mom drinking those when I was a kid. Of course, she also drank Lonesome Charlie for wine, so she had no taste.
To me the Big Mac's seem smaller these days. At least the meat seems less. But you can get double Big Macs now that I don't remember as a kid (my Junior high school was across the street from a McDonalds).
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janejellyroll wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I believe the main reason for obesity is our food sources. Almost everything is now processed with MSG or "Natural Flavors" and that causes you to eat more. Look at the labels of the food you eat, MSG is now hidden on the labels, and in the manufacturing. Some sources: MSG, "Natural Flavors", Yeast Extract, Citric Acid, Soy Sauce. The list goes on and on. I recently discovered this and removed all the food in my home that was high in Glutamates, it was about 90% of the food in my pantry. I also believe there is a strong case that it is the cause of other neurological problems like Autism.
http://www.truthinlabeling.org/IVhistoryOfUse.html
In the 70's mothers still shopped two to three times a week, so food was in their whole state when prepared. Breakfast, lunches, and dinners were prepared with some consideration involved and not by a microwave. Although food processing was invented in 1809 by Nicols Appert for bottle stuff for French troops. The flooding of processed foods in America did not become mainstream till the introduction of the microwave oven to the American public. While the first microwave was sold publicly in 1955 as "radarange", it was so big and expensive the general public could not afford it. It was not until the 1970's when the mass production brought down prices to a point that middle-class families could afford to buy microwaves for their homes. Now the processing of our foods is in high gear. 1977 economy forces mothers out of the kitchen and back into the workforce, so families could afford to send their kids to college and retire without starving to death. This introduced snack foods, fast food restaurants that were cheap in comparison to feeding a family of 4 at home. The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up. Physical education in the late 70's and early eighties is being decreased in schools across the country along with an unhealthy lunch offering to students, cause mothers were no longer packing lunches as often. The late 70's enters television sets in every home, the first home computers and the Atari gaming system which drove kids and parents alike from healthy outdoor activities with family to indoors gathered around some device that entertains them, but does nothing for their need for an active lifestyle. If you look at the data being published the late 60's and early 70's was the beginning of the obesity problem in America. It also did not help that with these new processed foods, you got more and more chemicals which hamper our health and nutrition. Just my 2 cents as an Emergency Room Nurse on the subject.
I'm completely unclear why you think being an emergency room nurse gives you authority speaking about historical, cultural, and economic trends of the 1970s.
A friend of mine's wife is an RN, and she knows about as much about nutrition as I do about non-Euclidean geometry. Listening to her talk about nutrition is like an episode of the Dr. Oz show, so that appeal to authority doesn't hold much water for me.9 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I said our increase in sugar consumption. My point was not that a single chemical caused the nations obesity problem, That was the single thing you two looked for to try to make the debate about. I was saying the American lifestyle changed. That is all I was saying in my original post. We became more sedimentary with our jobs, they found cheaper ways to make different forms of sugar that sometimes you have to be a chemist to find on a label. I am saying we need to go back to how society lived in the 60 and 70's in regards to eating. Compare a big Mac today with a big mac from when we were kids? The calorie contents are massively higher than when we were children. That is what I was trying to say in the beginning. All the list of chemicals that someone mentioned was a quote I put in my post answering someone else about all the chemicals.
You wrote: "The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up." If you want to remove the first part of the sentence and focus on the sugar, that's fine. But people can only respond to what you wrote, not what you *meant* (at least until you clarify).
Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
No, I do not have a source for the calories of a big mac when we were kids. You know why, cause they did not keep track of that information or it is a proprietary secret, which they will not share. Do you think that a big mac and a coke was 1150 calories 30 years ago? If it was that means we are consuming way more then we did 30 years ago, but I find it hard to believe that cokes product has changed, I do not know the exact number of times, would it not reason that McDonald's has changed their recipes and hamburgers and ingredients as well and lied to the American public about it? I'm just saying.
I suspect the Big Mac was the same size.
What I think is different is what we ordinarily order. Then adults would get a cheeseburger or maybe a Quarter Pounder and small or large fries, but the largest size fries now is much larger than then.
My mom got diet coke if we went to McD's back then, and that's what I'd get now (but I don't usually get McD's, since I'm not a fast food fan, although I may have to go to Long John Silvers now I know I can!). So calories from soda would be irrelevant to me, '70s or now.
In the '70s we went occasionally and I got a burger (I didn't like cheese on them yet) with small fries and a small orange drink. I don't think Happy Meals existed yet. I bet the calories from my order would be the same.
I found a McDonald's menu picture from the 70's, there was only one size of fries.
Large fries, large soda add up quite a bit of calories right there.
Don't get me started on Big Gulps at 7-11 and the like. Did they even sell 16oz 600 calories coffee drinks in the 70's?0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I said our increase in sugar consumption. My point was not that a single chemical caused the nations obesity problem, That was the single thing you two looked for to try to make the debate about. I was saying the American lifestyle changed. That is all I was saying in my original post. We became more sedimentary with our jobs, they found cheaper ways to make different forms of sugar that sometimes you have to be a chemist to find on a label. I am saying we need to go back to how society lived in the 60 and 70's in regards to eating. Compare a big Mac today with a big mac from when we were kids? The calorie contents are massively higher than when we were children. That is what I was trying to say in the beginning. All the list of chemicals that someone mentioned was a quote I put in my post answering someone else about all the chemicals.
You wrote: "The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up." If you want to remove the first part of the sentence and focus on the sugar, that's fine. But people can only respond to what you wrote, not what you *meant* (at least until you clarify).
Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
No, I do not have a source for the calories of a big mac when we were kids. You know why, cause they did not keep track of that information or it is a proprietary secret, which they will not share. Do you think that a big mac and a coke was 1150 calories 30 years ago? If it was that means we are consuming way more then we did 30 years ago, but I find it hard to believe that cokes product has changed, I do not know the exact number of times, would it not reason that McDonald's has changed their recipes and hamburgers and ingredients as well and lied to the American public about it? I'm just saying.
I suspect the Big Mac was the same size.
What I think is different is what we ordinarily order. Then adults would get a cheeseburger or maybe a Quarter Pounder and small or large fries, but the largest size fries now is much larger than then.
My mom got diet coke if we went to McD's back then, and that's what I'd get now (but I don't usually get McD's, since I'm not a fast food fan, although I may have to go to Long John Silvers now I know I can!). So calories from soda would be irrelevant to me, '70s or now.
In the '70s we went occasionally and I got a burger (I didn't like cheese on them yet) with small fries and a small orange drink. I don't think Happy Meals existed yet. I bet the calories from my order would be the same.
Just checked and it looks like Diet Coke was introduced in '82, so I don't know what my mom would have gotten in the '70s. Did McD's have Tab?
Also, for the record, I didn't get the orange drink because we thought it anything but soda. I just liked it best and could only get it at McD's (or other fast food).
I worked at McDonald's in 1981 and can confirm that the diet drink was Tab - at least in my area.2 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I said our increase in sugar consumption. My point was not that a single chemical caused the nations obesity problem, That was the single thing you two looked for to try to make the debate about. I was saying the American lifestyle changed. That is all I was saying in my original post. We became more sedimentary with our jobs, they found cheaper ways to make different forms of sugar that sometimes you have to be a chemist to find on a label. I am saying we need to go back to how society lived in the 60 and 70's in regards to eating. Compare a big Mac today with a big mac from when we were kids? The calorie contents are massively higher than when we were children. That is what I was trying to say in the beginning. All the list of chemicals that someone mentioned was a quote I put in my post answering someone else about all the chemicals.
You wrote: "The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up." If you want to remove the first part of the sentence and focus on the sugar, that's fine. But people can only respond to what you wrote, not what you *meant* (at least until you clarify).
Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
No, I do not have a source for the calories of a big mac when we were kids. You know why, cause they did not keep track of that information or it is a proprietary secret, which they will not share. Do you think that a big mac and a coke was 1150 calories 30 years ago? If it was that means we are consuming way more then we did 30 years ago, but I find it hard to believe that cokes product has changed, I do not know the exact number of times, would it not reason that McDonald's has changed their recipes and hamburgers and ingredients as well and lied to the American public about it? I'm just saying.
I suspect the Big Mac was the same size.
What I think is different is what we ordinarily order. Then adults would get a cheeseburger or maybe a Quarter Pounder and small or large fries, but the largest size fries now is much larger than then.
My mom got diet coke if we went to McD's back then, and that's what I'd get now (but I don't usually get McD's, since I'm not a fast food fan, although I may have to go to Long John Silvers now I know I can!). So calories from soda would be irrelevant to me, '70s or now.
In the '70s we went occasionally and I got a burger (I didn't like cheese on them yet) with small fries and a small orange drink. I don't think Happy Meals existed yet. I bet the calories from my order would be the same.
Just checked and it looks like Diet Coke was introduced in '82, so I don't know what my mom would have gotten in the '70s. Did McD's have Tab?
Also, for the record, I didn't get the orange drink because we thought it anything but soda. I just liked it best and could only get it at McD's (or other fast food).
Probably Tab or Fresca. I remember mom drinking those when I was a kid. Of course, she also drank Lonesome Charlie for wine, so she had no taste.
To me the Big Mac's seem smaller these days. At least the meat seems less. But you can get double Big Macs now that I don't remember as a kid (my Junior high school was across the street from a McDonalds).
Wasn't the orange drink non-carbonated? That's what I remember and I remember not liking it.
I think it was carbonated, but don't know for certain.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »dgarwood8181 wrote: »I said our increase in sugar consumption. My point was not that a single chemical caused the nations obesity problem, That was the single thing you two looked for to try to make the debate about. I was saying the American lifestyle changed. That is all I was saying in my original post. We became more sedimentary with our jobs, they found cheaper ways to make different forms of sugar that sometimes you have to be a chemist to find on a label. I am saying we need to go back to how society lived in the 60 and 70's in regards to eating. Compare a big Mac today with a big mac from when we were kids? The calorie contents are massively higher than when we were children. That is what I was trying to say in the beginning. All the list of chemicals that someone mentioned was a quote I put in my post answering someone else about all the chemicals.
You wrote: "The increase in chemicals and the massive amounts of sugar being consumed by the American public was on a steep climb up." If you want to remove the first part of the sentence and focus on the sugar, that's fine. But people can only respond to what you wrote, not what you *meant* (at least until you clarify).
Do you have a source for the Big Mac today being bigger than it was when we were children? I ask because McDonald's themselves says it is the same size (with the exception of the new, specially labeled limited offer of the "Grand Mac") and if they're not being truthful, I'd like to know the source for that claim.
No, I do not have a source for the calories of a big mac when we were kids. You know why, cause they did not keep track of that information or it is a proprietary secret, which they will not share. Do you think that a big mac and a coke was 1150 calories 30 years ago? If it was that means we are consuming way more then we did 30 years ago, but I find it hard to believe that cokes product has changed, I do not know the exact number of times, would it not reason that McDonald's has changed their recipes and hamburgers and ingredients as well and lied to the American public about it? I'm just saying.
I suspect the Big Mac was the same size.
What I think is different is what we ordinarily order. Then adults would get a cheeseburger or maybe a Quarter Pounder and small or large fries, but the largest size fries now is much larger than then.
My mom got diet coke if we went to McD's back then, and that's what I'd get now (but I don't usually get McD's, since I'm not a fast food fan, although I may have to go to Long John Silvers now I know I can!). So calories from soda would be irrelevant to me, '70s or now.
In the '70s we went occasionally and I got a burger (I didn't like cheese on them yet) with small fries and a small orange drink. I don't think Happy Meals existed yet. I bet the calories from my order would be the same.
I found a McDonald's menu picture from the 70's, there was only one size of fries.
I remember there being small and large, but my memories would be from the later '70s and I could be remembering the '80s anyway.Large fries, large soda add up quite a bit of calories right there.
We got small fries, you can get small fries now, I assume (haven't been to McD's in forever).
My mom got diet soda, I'd get diet soda now, so that's 0 calories.Don't get me started on Big Gulps at 7-11 and the like. Did they even sell 16oz 600 calories coffee drinks in the 70's?
I recall big giant 7-11 drinks from when I was a kid (late '70s or early '80s), but what I actually remember getting on occasion (when I was old enough to go there with my cousin during the summer, so probably early '80s) was Slurpees or some other kind of slushies.
Big coffee drinks weren't a thing, Starbucks wasn't a thing yet.
Of course, it's not exactly hard to get a black coffee at Starbucks or even just a coffee with milk if one likes a latte sort of thing. That foods are available doesn't mean people have to choose the higher cal options.3
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