Artificial Sweetners-Gum and Diet Pop
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I am such a radical. I drink diet soda, artificially sweetened tea AND water.
I know. It's crazy.
You know what else? I don't consume any caffeine, so that's a weird argument about drinks that aren't water I don't completely understand.
You're a lunatic
It's so frustrating how even something as simple as hydration gets boxed into these strawman arguments of either you drink nothing but pure clear organic angel-kissed water or you are a dehydrated shell of a person desperately drinking pots of coffee and liters of diet soda.
I drink 2 or 3 cups of coffee or tea, a can of diet soda, some days a beer or glass of wine, and several glasses of water (sometimes with a squirt of 0 cal flavor) every day. My pee is the right color, I feel great, I'm a healthy weight. Draw whatever conclusions you'd like from that. I'm guessing the OP has long since gotten their answer!11 -
cthakkar1985 wrote: »
Also, I bet this study was done with 1 serving. Try drinking 10 cups of tea with caffeine in them - I'm pretty sure you'll have a diuretic response and end up dehydrated.
I dont think you understand what a diuretic is or how dehydration works. If you drank tea with caffeine in a desert would you die ?
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Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »
Also, I bet this study was done with 1 serving. Try drinking 10 cups of tea with caffeine in them - I'm pretty sure you'll have a diuretic response and end up dehydrated.
I dont think you understand what a diuretic is or how dehydration works. If you drank tea with caffeine in a desert would you die ?
Never said drinking tea would kill you. I understand you could live off of it even if that was your only source of water.
My main point is that for someone trying to get a lot of water (1 gallon/day like I do), it's difficult to do it without actually drinking a ton of pure water. That's just my personal take. If others can get that much water by drinking other liquids/or even foods, more power to them.12 -
cthakkar1985 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »
Also, I bet this study was done with 1 serving. Try drinking 10 cups of tea with caffeine in them - I'm pretty sure you'll have a diuretic response and end up dehydrated.
I dont think you understand what a diuretic is or how dehydration works. If you drank tea with caffeine in a desert would you die ?
Never said drinking tea would kill you. I understand you could live off of it even if that was your only source of water.
My main point is that for someone trying to get a lot of water (1 gallon/day like I do), it's difficult to do it without actually drinking a ton of pure water. That's just my personal take. If others can get that much water by drinking other liquids/or even foods, more power to them.
Then it is hydrating.
If you drank 1 gallon of tea your body would absorb 1 gallon of water. personal takes and opinions have nothing to do with it.10 -
The best teas are considered to be around 50-150 ppm of solids in water. That means that the tea itself is 999850/1000000 or 99.985% water.6
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Kazane you come on these boards asking basic basic questions but then you want to present the cold hard facts...nah
Yeah.. people know some things and don’t know other things you no, that’s the whole point of learning. Just because your learning the basics of one thing doesn’t mean you no nothing about anything else. I just thought I would let the OP know that if you just stick to water you shouldn’t have any problems to worry about that’s all. I didn’t mean for or want any hate to come from it as that wasn’t my intention.6 -
BusyRaeNOTBusty wrote: »
Noo I wouldn’t think so.. Unessercery maybe, but then as I said anything from there is just preference I guess.2 -
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janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »
Nooo I don’t lol, I try and stick to a whole foods diet mainly. Is the Doyle t diet an actual thing lol?
Soylent is a liquid diet meant to include 100% of everything our bodies need. I'm surprised you're a proponent of things your body doesn't need when it comes to food but not when it comes to drinks.
Sounds nice but our stomachs are built to break things down into liquid so it would suck to be drinking just liquid all the time and take that function away from our body’s
still a good idea though.
Someone built your stomach?
Yep
Well, the rest of us were not constructed in that manner so your advice wouldn't be relevant for us.
We don't have to worry about what we were "built" to do, we don't have to limit our behaviors in an attempt to conform with what we imagine the intentions our builder had for each particular part of our body (or maybe the person who built your stomach also left you a set of detailed instructions, I'm not sure what the situation is exactly).
Your confusing, my main point I’m making is that water is good to drink and probably the most optimal thing for our body’s. Why you gotta go confuse everything and make such a big deal out of it.
I'm sorry that I'm confusing you. Yes, water is good to drink. It doesn't follow that other things are therefore bad to drink, especially when those things are also mostly water.
No need to apologise I’m not offended by your statements I’m just saying there a bit confusing as all. Yeah your right they might not be “bad” to drink but there surely not better I wouldn’t think..
So once again it then comes down to preference I would say..3 -
As I said water is the liquid our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference
This is a ridiculous, reductionist line of reasoning which makes no sense to me from the get-go.
There are many, many things in our lives that we don't NEED - but they make our lives more enjoyable and convenient. I mean, I don't NEED a nice, juicy ribeye steak - I suppose I could go hunt and kill a steer with my bare hands and kneel on the ground next to it to gnaw on the raw meat (because we don't NEED fire to survive either). But nah - I'd rather drive to the grocery store (in a car I don't NEED), buy the ribeye, cook it on my grill (which I don't NEED) and enjoy it with a nice glass of red (which I don't NEED) in the comfort of my home (which I don't NEED). And maybe even share a picture of my dinner on the internet (which I don't NEED) using my computer (which I don't NEED).
Extrapolating that argument into food/nutrition in general, there are a lot of things we eat that we don't NEED. We could survive on a small variety of raw vegetables and a bit of meat to get all the essential macro and micronutrients, but why would one want to intentionally have such a limited, monotonous diet?
If I wanted to live like a monk, I would have joined a monastery. But I somehow don't feel the need for asceticism as virtue signalling.
Thank you for listing your preferences and life chocies to me, but irrelevant but aye it’s a free world and all that..
But this was the exact point i was making”our body’s NEED water so why not stick with that anything from there is just preference”
Wheather he prefers aspartame cola or she prefers wine by the fire..or whatever.. my statement still stands.
I wasn’t trying to start hate on here that wasn’t my intention at all I was just trying to help someone out. That’s all.6 -
Kazane you come on these boards asking basic basic questions but then you want to present the cold hard facts...nah
Yeah.. people know some things and don’t know other things you no, that’s the whole point of learning. Just because your learning the basics of one thing doesn’t mean you no nothing about anything else. I just thought I would let the OP know that if you just stick to water you shouldn’t have any problems to worry about that’s all. I didn’t mean for or want any hate to come from it as that wasn’t my intention.
If OP sticks to artificially sweetened drinks and any other drinks she likes within calorie allowance she won't have anything to worry about either.
And OP's question was ' what are your experiences with artificial sweeeteners'
Nobody was asking if they are neccesary - obviously they are not. Just like any other individual food is not.
But what is point of stating that??
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Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »The best teas are considered to be around 50-150 ppm of solids in water. That means that the tea itself is 999850/1000000 or 99.985% water.
I didn't know there was a metric for that.1 -
cthakkar1985 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Unfortunately drinks like soda, tea, and coffee have caffeine in them, which dehydrate you...water by itself hydrates you. Also water has 0 calories. Nothing wrong with drinking other beverages (as long as they fit your caloric goals), but you can't beat good old H20. I drink a gallon of water a day.
Well...
The level of fluid retention in sodas and tea will depend on the caffeine content, which is why you'll notice coffee is lower than water. Interesting chart though, thanks for sharing. Either way, as I said, I aim for 1 gallon water per day, which equates to over 10 cans of soda. Don't think there's anything wrong with a few cans of soda, etc. but for me to hit my gallon of water/day, I need to rely mostly on actual water.
If it was dependent on caffeine, wouldn't water be higher than cola, diet cola, tea, and cold tea?
Not just caffeine, but I think that's one of the driving factors. It depends on how much you drink too. In small doses, caffeine fine, but too much can have a diuretic affect. Coffee typically has more caffeine than tea/soda, so I believe that's why it's lower on the BHI.
Guess what? Water is a diuretic.5 -
Lol, let me guess, you only eat 100% natural foods too?Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Yeah but water is 100% water.. in most cases. So that sounds better to me
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Lol, let me guess, you only eat 100% natural foods too?Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Yeah but water is 100% water.. in most cases. So that sounds better to me
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No I don’t. But I do try my best to do so.4 -
cthakkar1985 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Unfortunately drinks like soda, tea, and coffee have caffeine in them, which dehydrate you...water by itself hydrates you. Also water has 0 calories. Nothing wrong with drinking other beverages (as long as they fit your caloric goals), but you can't beat good old H20. I drink a gallon of water a day.
Well...
The level of fluid retention in sodas and tea will depend on the caffeine content, which is why you'll notice coffee is lower than water. Interesting chart though, thanks for sharing. Either way, as I said, I aim for 1 gallon water per day, which equates to over 10 cans of soda. Don't think there's anything wrong with a few cans of soda, etc. but for me to hit my gallon of water/day, I need to rely mostly on actual water.
If it was dependent on caffeine, wouldn't water be higher than cola, diet cola, tea, and cold tea?
Not just caffeine, but I think that's one of the driving factors. It depends on how much you drink too. In small doses, caffeine fine, but too much can have a diuretic affect. Coffee typically has more caffeine than tea/soda, so I believe that's why it's lower on the BHI.
What is your opinion based on? I see you saying that you "think" this and you "believe" that, but is this based on actual research or just your personal impressions?7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »
Nooo I don’t lol, I try and stick to a whole foods diet mainly. Is the Doyle t diet an actual thing lol?
Soylent is a liquid diet meant to include 100% of everything our bodies need. I'm surprised you're a proponent of things your body doesn't need when it comes to food but not when it comes to drinks.
Sounds nice but our stomachs are built to break things down into liquid so it would suck to be drinking just liquid all the time and take that function away from our body’s still a good idea though.
Someone built your stomach?
Yep
Well, the rest of us were not constructed in that manner so your advice wouldn't be relevant for us.
We don't have to worry about what we were "built" to do, we don't have to limit our behaviors in an attempt to conform with what we imagine the intentions our builder had for each particular part of our body (or maybe the person who built your stomach also left you a set of detailed instructions, I'm not sure what the situation is exactly).
Your confusing, my main point I’m making is that water is good to drink and probably the most optimal thing for our body’s. Why you gotta go confuse everything and make such a big deal out of it.
I'm sorry that I'm confusing you. Yes, water is good to drink. It doesn't follow that other things are therefore bad to drink, especially when those things are also mostly water.
No need to apologise I’m not offended by your statements I’m just saying there a bit confusing as all. Yeah your right they might not be “bad” to drink but there surely not better I wouldn’t think..
So once again it then comes down to preference I would say..
Is anybody arguing that drinks with artificial sweeteners are "better" than water? You seem to be arguing against something that nobody has asserted.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »
Nooo I don’t lol, I try and stick to a whole foods diet mainly. Is the Doyle t diet an actual thing lol?
Soylent is a liquid diet meant to include 100% of everything our bodies need. I'm surprised you're a proponent of things your body doesn't need when it comes to food but not when it comes to drinks.
Sounds nice but our stomachs are built to break things down into liquid so it would suck to be drinking just liquid all the time and take that function away from our body’s still a good idea though.
Someone built your stomach?
Yep
Well, the rest of us were not constructed in that manner so your advice wouldn't be relevant for us.
We don't have to worry about what we were "built" to do, we don't have to limit our behaviors in an attempt to conform with what we imagine the intentions our builder had for each particular part of our body (or maybe the person who built your stomach also left you a set of detailed instructions, I'm not sure what the situation is exactly).
Your confusing, my main point I’m making is that water is good to drink and probably the most optimal thing for our body’s. Why you gotta go confuse everything and make such a big deal out of it.
I'm sorry that I'm confusing you. Yes, water is good to drink. It doesn't follow that other things are therefore bad to drink, especially when those things are also mostly water.
No need to apologise I’m not offended by your statements I’m just saying there a bit confusing as all. Yeah your right they might not be “bad” to drink but there surely not better I wouldn’t think..
So once again it then comes down to preference I would say..janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »
Nooo I don’t lol, I try and stick to a whole foods diet mainly. Is the Doyle t diet an actual thing lol?
Soylent is a liquid diet meant to include 100% of everything our bodies need. I'm surprised you're a proponent of things your body doesn't need when it comes to food but not when it comes to drinks.
Sounds nice but our stomachs are built to break things down into liquid so it would suck to be drinking just liquid all the time and take that function away from our body’s still a good idea though.
Someone built your stomach?
Yep
Well, the rest of us were not constructed in that manner so your advice wouldn't be relevant for us.
We don't have to worry about what we were "built" to do, we don't have to limit our behaviors in an attempt to conform with what we imagine the intentions our builder had for each particular part of our body (or maybe the person who built your stomach also left you a set of detailed instructions, I'm not sure what the situation is exactly).
Your confusing, my main point I’m making is that water is good to drink and probably the most optimal thing for our body’s. Why you gotta go confuse everything and make such a big deal out of it.
I'm sorry that I'm confusing you. Yes, water is good to drink. It doesn't follow that other things are therefore bad to drink, especially when those things are also mostly water.
No need to apologise I’m not offended by your statements I’m just saying there a bit confusing as all. Yeah your right they might not be “bad” to drink but there surely not better I wouldn’t think..
So once again it then comes down to preference I would say..
Is anybody arguing that drinks with artificial sweeteners are "better" than water? You seem to be arguing against something that nobody has asserted.
Based on the chart posted above, a sound argument can be made that they are in fact better. Although at present no-one has taken that position. Simply the position that they are neither better nor worse.
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As I said water is the liquid our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference
This is a ridiculous, reductionist line of reasoning which makes no sense to me from the get-go.
There are many, many things in our lives that we don't NEED - but they make our lives more enjoyable and convenient. I mean, I don't NEED a nice, juicy ribeye steak - I suppose I could go hunt and kill a steer with my bare hands and kneel on the ground next to it to gnaw on the raw meat (because we don't NEED fire to survive either). But nah - I'd rather drive to the grocery store (in a car I don't NEED), buy the ribeye, cook it on my grill (which I don't NEED) and enjoy it with a nice glass of red (which I don't NEED) in the comfort of my home (which I don't NEED). And maybe even share a picture of my dinner on the internet (which I don't NEED) using my computer (which I don't NEED).
Extrapolating that argument into food/nutrition in general, there are a lot of things we eat that we don't NEED. We could survive on a small variety of raw vegetables and a bit of meat to get all the essential macro and micronutrients, but why would one want to intentionally have such a limited, monotonous diet?
If I wanted to live like a monk, I would have joined a monastery. But I somehow don't feel the need for asceticism as virtue signalling.
Thank you for listing your preferences and life chocies to me, but irrelevant but aye it’s a free world and all that..
But this was the exact point i was making”our body’s NEED water so why not stick with that anything from there is just preference”
Wheather he prefers aspartame cola or she prefers wine by the fire..or whatever.. my statement still stands.
I wasn’t trying to start hate on here that wasn’t my intention at all I was just trying to help someone out. That’s all.
You totally missed his point.
Let me ask you a question.
Do you eat vegetables, fruit, bread, or grains?2 -
Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »
Also, I bet this study was done with 1 serving. Try drinking 10 cups of tea with caffeine in them - I'm pretty sure you'll have a diuretic response and end up dehydrated.
I dont think you understand what a diuretic is or how dehydration works. If you drank tea with caffeine in a desert would you die ?
Never said drinking tea would kill you. I understand you could live off of it even if that was your only source of water.
My main point is that for someone trying to get a lot of water (1 gallon/day like I do), it's difficult to do it without actually drinking a ton of pure water. That's just my personal take. If others can get that much water by drinking other liquids/or even foods, more power to them.
Then it is hydrating.
If you drank 1 gallon of tea your body would absorb 1 gallon of water. personal takes and opinions have nothing to do with it.
This depends on how much caffeine is in your tea. In moderate doses, there is no evidence of dehydration from caffeine, I'll give you that point. Some studies show that over 500mg of caffeine do have a dehydrating affect. Let me define what I mean by dehydrating. Basically, if you drank 1 gallon of tea, you wouldn't absorb 1 gallon of water. 1 gallon of tea = 16 cups, which could easily put you over the 500mg caffeine threshold depending on the type of tea.6 -
cthakkar1985 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Unfortunately drinks like soda, tea, and coffee have caffeine in them, which dehydrate you...water by itself hydrates you. Also water has 0 calories. Nothing wrong with drinking other beverages (as long as they fit your caloric goals), but you can't beat good old H20. I drink a gallon of water a day.
Well...
The level of fluid retention in sodas and tea will depend on the caffeine content, which is why you'll notice coffee is lower than water. Interesting chart though, thanks for sharing. Either way, as I said, I aim for 1 gallon water per day, which equates to over 10 cans of soda. Don't think there's anything wrong with a few cans of soda, etc. but for me to hit my gallon of water/day, I need to rely mostly on actual water.
If it was dependent on caffeine, wouldn't water be higher than cola, diet cola, tea, and cold tea?
Not just caffeine, but I think that's one of the driving factors. It depends on how much you drink too. In small doses, caffeine fine, but too much can have a diuretic affect. Coffee typically has more caffeine than tea/soda, so I believe that's why it's lower on the BHI.
Guess what? Water is a diuretic.
Sorry, should've been more clear. I know everything you drink will make you urinate. I meant diuretic to the point where you're absorbing less than your intake. Not sure what the proper term is for that.9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Unfortunately drinks like soda, tea, and coffee have caffeine in them, which dehydrate you...water by itself hydrates you. Also water has 0 calories. Nothing wrong with drinking other beverages (as long as they fit your caloric goals), but you can't beat good old H20. I drink a gallon of water a day.
Well...
The level of fluid retention in sodas and tea will depend on the caffeine content, which is why you'll notice coffee is lower than water. Interesting chart though, thanks for sharing. Either way, as I said, I aim for 1 gallon water per day, which equates to over 10 cans of soda. Don't think there's anything wrong with a few cans of soda, etc. but for me to hit my gallon of water/day, I need to rely mostly on actual water.
If it was dependent on caffeine, wouldn't water be higher than cola, diet cola, tea, and cold tea?
Not just caffeine, but I think that's one of the driving factors. It depends on how much you drink too. In small doses, caffeine fine, but too much can have a diuretic affect. Coffee typically has more caffeine than tea/soda, so I believe that's why it's lower on the BHI.
What is your opinion based on? I see you saying that you "think" this and you "believe" that, but is this based on actual research or just your personal impressions?
The reason why I say I think and I believe is because based on the articles I've read, I'm getting some differing viewpoints on this topic. Some studies have shown that consuming more than 500mg of caffeine in a day can have dehydrating affects (you're not absorbing all the water that you're intaking). The fact of the matter is that there's a lot of research that still needs to be done when it comes to fitness/nutrition. I'm not going to state something as a fact, but I'd rather be clear when I'm saying this is what I think, given that I'm not seeing a clear consensus on the topic.8 -
cthakkar1985 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Unfortunately drinks like soda, tea, and coffee have caffeine in them, which dehydrate you...water by itself hydrates you. Also water has 0 calories. Nothing wrong with drinking other beverages (as long as they fit your caloric goals), but you can't beat good old H20. I drink a gallon of water a day.
Well...
The level of fluid retention in sodas and tea will depend on the caffeine content, which is why you'll notice coffee is lower than water. Interesting chart though, thanks for sharing. Either way, as I said, I aim for 1 gallon water per day, which equates to over 10 cans of soda. Don't think there's anything wrong with a few cans of soda, etc. but for me to hit my gallon of water/day, I need to rely mostly on actual water.
If it was dependent on caffeine, wouldn't water be higher than cola, diet cola, tea, and cold tea?
Not just caffeine, but I think that's one of the driving factors. It depends on how much you drink too. In small doses, caffeine fine, but too much can have a diuretic affect. Coffee typically has more caffeine than tea/soda, so I believe that's why it's lower on the BHI.
Guess what? Water is a diuretic.
Sorry, should've been more clear. I know everything you drink will make you urinate. I meant diuretic to the point where you're absorbing less than your intake. Not sure what the proper term is for that.
Dehydrating. Which drinks with caffine arent.5 -
cthakkar1985 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »
Also, I bet this study was done with 1 serving. Try drinking 10 cups of tea with caffeine in them - I'm pretty sure you'll have a diuretic response and end up dehydrated.
I dont think you understand what a diuretic is or how dehydration works. If you drank tea with caffeine in a desert would you die ?
Never said drinking tea would kill you. I understand you could live off of it even if that was your only source of water.
My main point is that for someone trying to get a lot of water (1 gallon/day like I do), it's difficult to do it without actually drinking a ton of pure water. That's just my personal take. If others can get that much water by drinking other liquids/or even foods, more power to them.
Then it is hydrating.
If you drank 1 gallon of tea your body would absorb 1 gallon of water. personal takes and opinions have nothing to do with it.
This depends on how much caffeine is in your tea. In moderate doses, there is no evidence of dehydration from caffeine, I'll give you that point. Some studies show that over 500mg of caffeine do have a dehydrating affect. Let me define what I mean by dehydrating. Basically, if you drank 1 gallon of tea, you wouldn't absorb 1 gallon of water. 1 gallon of tea = 16 cups, which could easily put you over the 500mg caffeine threshold depending on the type of tea.
To my understanding, 500 mg of caffeine is outside of the generally accepted safe range for adults. It seems like you're trying to use "edge cases" of extreme caffeine consumption to make your case. That's more than 10 cans of soda. Other than extreme caffeine consumption where the amount of caffeine itself would be causing a problem for many people, it doesn't seem to be an issue so I'm unclear why you're bringing it up in a thread that is focusing on normal consumption of diet soda.7 -
Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Unfortunately drinks like soda, tea, and coffee have caffeine in them, which dehydrate you...water by itself hydrates you. Also water has 0 calories. Nothing wrong with drinking other beverages (as long as they fit your caloric goals), but you can't beat good old H20. I drink a gallon of water a day.
Well...
The level of fluid retention in sodas and tea will depend on the caffeine content, which is why you'll notice coffee is lower than water. Interesting chart though, thanks for sharing. Either way, as I said, I aim for 1 gallon water per day, which equates to over 10 cans of soda. Don't think there's anything wrong with a few cans of soda, etc. but for me to hit my gallon of water/day, I need to rely mostly on actual water.
If it was dependent on caffeine, wouldn't water be higher than cola, diet cola, tea, and cold tea?
Not just caffeine, but I think that's one of the driving factors. It depends on how much you drink too. In small doses, caffeine fine, but too much can have a diuretic affect. Coffee typically has more caffeine than tea/soda, so I believe that's why it's lower on the BHI.
Guess what? Water is a diuretic.
Sorry, should've been more clear. I know everything you drink will make you urinate. I meant diuretic to the point where you're absorbing less than your intake. Not sure what the proper term is for that.
Dehydrating. Which drinks with caffine arent.
"Some studies show that caffeinated drinks such as tea are just as hydrating as water when consumed in moderate amounts. Caffeine may dehydrate you if you consume 500 mg or more per day."
Source: https://www.livestrong.com/article/524680-does-tea-have-a-dehydrating-effect/9 -
janejellyroll wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »
Also, I bet this study was done with 1 serving. Try drinking 10 cups of tea with caffeine in them - I'm pretty sure you'll have a diuretic response and end up dehydrated.
I dont think you understand what a diuretic is or how dehydration works. If you drank tea with caffeine in a desert would you die ?
Never said drinking tea would kill you. I understand you could live off of it even if that was your only source of water.
My main point is that for someone trying to get a lot of water (1 gallon/day like I do), it's difficult to do it without actually drinking a ton of pure water. That's just my personal take. If others can get that much water by drinking other liquids/or even foods, more power to them.
Then it is hydrating.
If you drank 1 gallon of tea your body would absorb 1 gallon of water. personal takes and opinions have nothing to do with it.
This depends on how much caffeine is in your tea. In moderate doses, there is no evidence of dehydration from caffeine, I'll give you that point. Some studies show that over 500mg of caffeine do have a dehydrating affect. Let me define what I mean by dehydrating. Basically, if you drank 1 gallon of tea, you wouldn't absorb 1 gallon of water. 1 gallon of tea = 16 cups, which could easily put you over the 500mg caffeine threshold depending on the type of tea.
To my understanding, 500 mg of caffeine is outside of the generally accepted safe range for adults. It seems like you're trying to use "edge cases" of extreme caffeine consumption to make your case. That's more than 10 cans of soda. Other than extreme caffeine consumption where the amount of caffeine itself would be causing a problem for many people, it doesn't seem to be an issue so I'm unclear why you're bringing it up in a thread that is focusing on normal consumption of diet soda.
Not to mention 500mg of caffine may have some dehydrating effect but it does not counteract the hydrating effect of 3.5 liters of water that 10 cans of soda contain. Hes completely missunderstanding the verbage.5 -
cthakkar1985 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Unfortunately drinks like soda, tea, and coffee have caffeine in them, which dehydrate you...water by itself hydrates you. Also water has 0 calories. Nothing wrong with drinking other beverages (as long as they fit your caloric goals), but you can't beat good old H20. I drink a gallon of water a day.
Well...
The level of fluid retention in sodas and tea will depend on the caffeine content, which is why you'll notice coffee is lower than water. Interesting chart though, thanks for sharing. Either way, as I said, I aim for 1 gallon water per day, which equates to over 10 cans of soda. Don't think there's anything wrong with a few cans of soda, etc. but for me to hit my gallon of water/day, I need to rely mostly on actual water.
If it was dependent on caffeine, wouldn't water be higher than cola, diet cola, tea, and cold tea?
Not just caffeine, but I think that's one of the driving factors. It depends on how much you drink too. In small doses, caffeine fine, but too much can have a diuretic affect. Coffee typically has more caffeine than tea/soda, so I believe that's why it's lower on the BHI.
Guess what? Water is a diuretic.
Sorry, should've been more clear. I know everything you drink will make you urinate. I meant diuretic to the point where you're absorbing less than your intake. Not sure what the proper term is for that.
Dehydrating. Which drinks with caffine arent.
"Some studies show that caffeinated drinks such as tea are just as hydrating as water when consumed in moderate amounts. Caffeine may dehydrate you if you consume 500 mg or more per day."
Source: https://www.livestrong.com/article/524680-does-tea-have-a-dehydrating-effect/
It's typical that people consuming extremely high amounts of many things (including vegetables, protein, or even *water itself*) are at risk for side effects/health consequences that others consume more normal amounts don't have to worry about.
500 mg of caffeine from diet soda is a lot. We're not talking about typical daily consumption here even for people who are drinking a lot of diet soda.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »
Also, I bet this study was done with 1 serving. Try drinking 10 cups of tea with caffeine in them - I'm pretty sure you'll have a diuretic response and end up dehydrated.
I dont think you understand what a diuretic is or how dehydration works. If you drank tea with caffeine in a desert would you die ?
Never said drinking tea would kill you. I understand you could live off of it even if that was your only source of water.
My main point is that for someone trying to get a lot of water (1 gallon/day like I do), it's difficult to do it without actually drinking a ton of pure water. That's just my personal take. If others can get that much water by drinking other liquids/or even foods, more power to them.
Then it is hydrating.
If you drank 1 gallon of tea your body would absorb 1 gallon of water. personal takes and opinions have nothing to do with it.
This depends on how much caffeine is in your tea. In moderate doses, there is no evidence of dehydration from caffeine, I'll give you that point. Some studies show that over 500mg of caffeine do have a dehydrating affect. Let me define what I mean by dehydrating. Basically, if you drank 1 gallon of tea, you wouldn't absorb 1 gallon of water. 1 gallon of tea = 16 cups, which could easily put you over the 500mg caffeine threshold depending on the type of tea.
To my understanding, 500 mg of caffeine is outside of the generally accepted safe range for adults. It seems like you're trying to use "edge cases" of extreme caffeine consumption to make your case. That's more than 10 cans of soda. Other than extreme caffeine consumption where the amount of caffeine itself would be causing a problem for many people, it doesn't seem to be an issue so I'm unclear why you're bringing it up in a thread that is focusing on normal consumption of diet soda.
Not sure if you followed along with the whole thread. Somebody stated that drinking 1 gallon (16 cups) of tea is equivalent to drinking 1 gallon of water each day. My main point is that I think it's fine to drink tea, soda, diet soda, juices, beer, wine, whatever you want. I find it difficult to get to my goal of absorbing 1 gallon of water a day without the majority of my intake coming from actual water. To be clear, I drink coffee, tea, beer, etc. but mostly I drink water due to it having 0 calories and no potential side effects of drinking too much of it as opposed to most other drinks (whether the side effects are because of too much sugar, calories, caffeine, etc.)5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Unfortunately drinks like soda, tea, and coffee have caffeine in them, which dehydrate you...water by itself hydrates you. Also water has 0 calories. Nothing wrong with drinking other beverages (as long as they fit your caloric goals), but you can't beat good old H20. I drink a gallon of water a day.
Well...
The level of fluid retention in sodas and tea will depend on the caffeine content, which is why you'll notice coffee is lower than water. Interesting chart though, thanks for sharing. Either way, as I said, I aim for 1 gallon water per day, which equates to over 10 cans of soda. Don't think there's anything wrong with a few cans of soda, etc. but for me to hit my gallon of water/day, I need to rely mostly on actual water.
If it was dependent on caffeine, wouldn't water be higher than cola, diet cola, tea, and cold tea?
Not just caffeine, but I think that's one of the driving factors. It depends on how much you drink too. In small doses, caffeine fine, but too much can have a diuretic affect. Coffee typically has more caffeine than tea/soda, so I believe that's why it's lower on the BHI.
Guess what? Water is a diuretic.
Sorry, should've been more clear. I know everything you drink will make you urinate. I meant diuretic to the point where you're absorbing less than your intake. Not sure what the proper term is for that.
Dehydrating. Which drinks with caffine arent.
"Some studies show that caffeinated drinks such as tea are just as hydrating as water when consumed in moderate amounts. Caffeine may dehydrate you if you consume 500 mg or more per day."
Source: https://www.livestrong.com/article/524680-does-tea-have-a-dehydrating-effect/
It's typical that people consuming extremely high amounts of many things (including vegetables, protein, or even *water itself*) are at risk for side effects/health consequences that others consume more normal amounts don't have to worry about.
500 mg of caffeine from diet soda is a lot. We're not talking about typical daily consumption here even for people who are drinking a lot of diet soda.
The argument isn't just about diet soda. We're talking about all caffeinated beverages. 500mg isn't that difficult to hit. Just 1 venti blonde roast from Starbucks has 475mg of caffeine.5 -
cthakkar1985 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Unfortunately drinks like soda, tea, and coffee have caffeine in them, which dehydrate you...water by itself hydrates you. Also water has 0 calories. Nothing wrong with drinking other beverages (as long as they fit your caloric goals), but you can't beat good old H20. I drink a gallon of water a day.
Well...
The level of fluid retention in sodas and tea will depend on the caffeine content, which is why you'll notice coffee is lower than water. Interesting chart though, thanks for sharing. Either way, as I said, I aim for 1 gallon water per day, which equates to over 10 cans of soda. Don't think there's anything wrong with a few cans of soda, etc. but for me to hit my gallon of water/day, I need to rely mostly on actual water.
If it was dependent on caffeine, wouldn't water be higher than cola, diet cola, tea, and cold tea?
Not just caffeine, but I think that's one of the driving factors. It depends on how much you drink too. In small doses, caffeine fine, but too much can have a diuretic affect. Coffee typically has more caffeine than tea/soda, so I believe that's why it's lower on the BHI.
Guess what? Water is a diuretic.
Sorry, should've been more clear. I know everything you drink will make you urinate. I meant diuretic to the point where you're absorbing less than your intake. Not sure what the proper term is for that.
Dehydrating. Which drinks with caffine arent.
"Some studies show that caffeinated drinks such as tea are just as hydrating as water when consumed in moderate amounts. Caffeine may dehydrate you if you consume 500 mg or more per day."
Source: https://www.livestrong.com/article/524680-does-tea-have-a-dehydrating-effect/
It's typical that people consuming extremely high amounts of many things (including vegetables, protein, or even *water itself*) are at risk for side effects/health consequences that others consume more normal amounts don't have to worry about.
500 mg of caffeine from diet soda is a lot. We're not talking about typical daily consumption here even for people who are drinking a lot of diet soda.
The argument isn't just about diet soda. We're talking about all caffeinated beverages. 500mg isn't that difficult to hit. Just 1 venti blonde roast from Starbucks has 475mg of caffeine.
The OP is absolutely about diet soda. This isn't your thread. It's theirs.8
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